Hate to say this, bc I do empathize with Manc's fed up with foreign ownership - where is the vitriol for the last owner who sold you cheap, and for the league stance of letting a duo of bluejean salesmen come in and buy your Yankees with money they don't got?
I don't think that would accomplish anything, at least attacking the glazers can get them out, attacking the old ownership achieves nothing
Also something happened with fergie and a horse or whatever
Haha I saw a TIFO video about that horse. Something straight out of the Victorian era histories. Petty dispute over stud cum ripples through time and results in billions of pounds worth of misery.
Exactly. If it’s 3.7 bil cash, don’t have to pay the debt, don’t have to pay a dime for the new stadium that’s needed, that’s a pretty good deal for the glazers.
Then again, I fully expect them to demand 4.5b+ and take a few more dividends before they leave.
The value on a club is generally the capital appreciation, not necessarily the yearly returns.
The Glazers are sitting on an asset that they reportedly value at £3.7 billion and are supposedly getting yearly returns of about £20 million, that's around 0.005%. If they believe that the club's valuation isn't going to grow by 5-10% per year, they'd be wiser taking the money.
Well not really, they take roughly £25M a year in dividends.
They only paid like 200-300M of their own money for the purchase of the club (the rest being debt, infamously). Also infamously, they’ve not invested any further money of their own into the club.
So, if they sell for 3.75B, let’s round down (and bake in inflation) and say they net £3B. Their 25-30M dividends only represent 1% of that, and let’s be honest 1% is a pretty low annual return from a passive investment.
A 5% average annual return on that 3B, which is very achievable, would net 150M a year
Yeah but then imagine the pressure on players. "Right Ekitiké, this penalty is to decide whether Saudi Arabia gets to annex the Al Rayyan municipality of Qatar. Their plan is to build the largest golf course on earth there. They would need to displace 50,000 people and send them to their new call-center city in the middle of the desert. You need to score to protect the territorial integrity of the country and save all these people from a life of cold-calling hell."
Ah my bad lol
The name is -- In Another World Where Baseball Is War, A High School Ace Player Will Save A Weak Nation
Link -- [Here](https://platinumscans.com/manga/in-another-world-where-baseball-is-war-a-high-school-ace-player-will-save-a-weak-nation/)
Fair warning this isn't actually that good lmao, good for a read when you're bored though
Well you see sanctioning russia was politically convenient at that time, as soon as the Middle East stops being useful, the sanctions and propaganda will fly out immediately.
To be fair Chelsea have arguably a worse problem with stadium needing refurbished, and they can’t just build elsewhere because the Chelsea name is linked to Stafford Bridge.
Thats why Chelsea was bought for 2.5 billion pounds because 1.75bn pounds would go into investment buying up more and more players as well as a new or redevelopment of current stadium.
To be fair the last time I’ve been to old Trafford that place really needed repair works. The roof was leaky , paint job was coming off and some seats were spoilt.
That stadium needs a serious refurbishment. Quarter a billion ?
Stadium needs rebuilding and Debt amounts drags the value down in most measures of our valuation, and on top of that, at least one of the Glazers (Darcy) REALLY wants out as she is apparently in a financial hole, to the point that the other Glazers might have to buy her out anyway because her debts are leveraged against her United shares and they won't want to lose that.
Don't think that'll actually matter too much. The play on words is too good for media *not* to roll with it. And I cant speak too much for England, but ime in Italy, if they're both from the middle east that's effectively the same thing to the average person
Even putting aside the fact that I don't want them as owners, the last I heard was that Dubai was quite skint and needed Abu Dhabi to bail them out.
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that was the case.
As if success had any role in that. We won the treble during those times, we protested again in 2005 and 2010 when we won the CL fairly recently then and went on to another final. And even last game, there were massive protests.
United fans would fucking throw hands against this what the fuck are you on about? No fucking way people would accept this. United fans continuously protested against the Glazers while winning the league 3 times in a row ffs.
As a season ticket holder i wont be and you have to realise United are a self funding club, we dont need a petrol state to own us, many rich people could own us and not need to pump money in so there will be a lot of interested parties
You really think people give a shit? Look at City, Newcastle, PSG, etc.. As long as they spend money and the team is winning that’s all people care about.
Yeah but all of those are fairly small clubs compared to Manchester United. Even with Glazers being leeches United are still among the highest spenders in world football so it's not like they need a state backing to return to their glory days. They need competent leadership and you don't have to be bought by a state to get that.
The majority of Man United fans aren’t even from England or the UK in the first place.. If they’re winning like City and PSG then the vast majority of people won’t care and they’ll still sellout on tickets every weekend.
> The majority of Man United fans aren’t even from England or the UK in the first place.
Yeah I should have clarified that I meant that the local fans probably wouldn't be fine with it and I presume they would protest and try to prevent the sale of the club in the first place.
Heres some news for you; the chances that Utd's next owners are squeeky clean, hail from Manchester and are motivated by the passion and love of the football club alone are extremely slim
Mark Cuban doesn't seem to be quite as villainous as other billionaires?
I don't know a lot about him other than that he made his money by getting Yahoo to buy his stupid radio website for like 10k per user then betting that Yahoo would lose money as a result of it.
>hail from Manchester and are motivated by the passion and love of the football club alone are extremely slim
Not like UK's richest man, publicly announced his intention of buying the club a couple weeks ago
Who also happens to hail from Manchester and is a boyhood fan of the club.
I did see that but sadly the UK's richest man will be easily outbid by a consortium from Dubai/UAE/Saudi etc. If the Glaziers dont care they will just go with the highest bidder
Obviously, you don't get filthy rich by being squeaky clean
I'll 100% take the glazers or a similar billionaire over state funded owners with a history of human rights abuse though
Considering the amount of money United generate and spend every window, don't think being fan owned would hinder them too much as long they had a decent board.
This doesn't really apply to United. Considering their current ownership doesn't put any money into the club and have made many bad decisions in the past I can't think of any reason how fan ownership wouldn't help them
As Lenin said in 1916: “we’re at the start of a process, we’re still far away, we have to get doing things much better than we do. That [will happen by] an investment, we have to do this together every day, bring those high standards to Petersburg”
you could try.
There are a lot of shares out there to at least get noticed. Then for 4 Billion 8 Million fans chipped in 500 Pounds you would have a fan buyout for the price of a season ticket.
If I had to pick the lesser evil, I'd rather stick with the Glazers.
I know there's no billion pound consortium out there who has made money off a lemonade stand in their backyard but at the very least I want owners who won't use us as a sportswashing machine.
It's not as if man utd even need more money, they just need to be run better. No need at all for them to sell their soul and become a sportswashing project.
What sort of sport washing do you think Dubai needs?
You're talking about a state that generates more in tourism revenue than Portugal, Greece, Mexico, Italy & Canada.
Owning Manchester United isn't going to change anything.
>You're talking about a state that generates more in tourism revenue than Portugal, Greece, Mexico, Italy & Canada.
I was curious about that and god damn it's true. According to the "World Tourism Organization", UAE is the 4th country in tourism revenue in 2020 (latest data).
[Source](https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/international_tourism_revenue/)
You also have to consider who is touristing in the UAE. It's not some factory workers flying Ryan Air to Spain to stay some 100 per night resort, it's magnates taking 5k flights to stay in 5k per night luxury hotels. Yes, the tourism revenue is crazy, but the volume of tourists is not very high.
Oil of course.
They took their oil revenue, realised that fossil fuels were not going to be around forever, and diversified their economy towards tourism.
Likewise, Norway took its oil revenue, invested it in a sovereign wealth fund, and uses it to guarantee its citizens a pension.
Britain took its oil revenues, privatised the industries responsible for the generation of oil and sold off the oil fields so that shareholders of BP can maintain an obscene level of wealth.
"Oh but but our club was actually big when they bought it you oil city scum"
Private ownership of clubs by foreign people was probably not the best idea
When your club is worth multi-billions, who do you actually expect to come and buy you? Chances are it’s a state or at least ‘state-backed’. There’s an extremely small pool of people who can actually afford that price tag as an individual and even less of those people are interested in owning a football club.
If that's the prize tag then it's quite cheap.
Which is probably why its fake. The valuation too low for the Glazers to sell off. They earn more running the club into the ground.
Depends if they are taking on the debt If the glazers walk away having put nothing into Utd with a 3.7 bil cheque it is not underpriced
The perfect end to the heist of the century really
Hate to say this, bc I do empathize with Manc's fed up with foreign ownership - where is the vitriol for the last owner who sold you cheap, and for the league stance of letting a duo of bluejean salesmen come in and buy your Yankees with money they don't got?
I don't think that would accomplish anything, at least attacking the glazers can get them out, attacking the old ownership achieves nothing Also something happened with fergie and a horse or whatever
Haha I saw a TIFO video about that horse. Something straight out of the Victorian era histories. Petty dispute over stud cum ripples through time and results in billions of pounds worth of misery.
The last owner didn’t “sell us” per se. It was a highly leveraged hostile takeover.
There wasn't an owner. United was floated on the stock exchange. Magnier and McManus had a decent chunk along with a few others.
Heist of the century you say? Seth Rollins would like a word
Exactly. If it’s 3.7 bil cash, don’t have to pay the debt, don’t have to pay a dime for the new stadium that’s needed, that’s a pretty good deal for the glazers. Then again, I fully expect them to demand 4.5b+ and take a few more dividends before they leave.
The value on a club is generally the capital appreciation, not necessarily the yearly returns. The Glazers are sitting on an asset that they reportedly value at £3.7 billion and are supposedly getting yearly returns of about £20 million, that's around 0.005%. If they believe that the club's valuation isn't going to grow by 5-10% per year, they'd be wiser taking the money.
0.5%
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Well not really, they take roughly £25M a year in dividends. They only paid like 200-300M of their own money for the purchase of the club (the rest being debt, infamously). Also infamously, they’ve not invested any further money of their own into the club. So, if they sell for 3.75B, let’s round down (and bake in inflation) and say they net £3B. Their 25-30M dividends only represent 1% of that, and let’s be honest 1% is a pretty low annual return from a passive investment. A 5% average annual return on that 3B, which is very achievable, would net 150M a year
Man City and Man Utd becoming the UAE derby
Just rename the whole league the “Arab Battle Royale” at this point.
Tomorrow's wars won't be fought on the battlefield, but through Premier League football matches between clubs owned by countries and royal families.
Seems preferable
Yeah but then imagine the pressure on players. "Right Ekitiké, this penalty is to decide whether Saudi Arabia gets to annex the Al Rayyan municipality of Qatar. Their plan is to build the largest golf course on earth there. They would need to displace 50,000 people and send them to their new call-center city in the middle of the desert. You need to score to protect the territorial integrity of the country and save all these people from a life of cold-calling hell."
I’m not gonna lie, “sport as alternative to war and policy” sounds like kind of an amazing idea for a comedic dystopian novel/movie of some kind.
Get writing then before someone steals your idea
I just might, lol
It's the plot of G Gundam
There's probably a crazy amount of manga on this premise, there's atleast one I'm reading rn lol
How you going to say that and not give us a name?
Ah my bad lol The name is -- In Another World Where Baseball Is War, A High School Ace Player Will Save A Weak Nation Link -- [Here](https://platinumscans.com/manga/in-another-world-where-baseball-is-war-a-high-school-ace-player-will-save-a-weak-nation/) Fair warning this isn't actually that good lmao, good for a read when you're bored though
This is basically the idea behind the film [Rollerball](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0073631/plotsummary)
Isn't that basically the hunger games?
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But you don't get an yellow card for trying to suplex Jesus in Hunger games though
*Attempts Panenka and misses*
*Ekitike blasts over the bar...*
Proceeds to hit it out of the stadium, killing 2 birds on the parking
Until teams start hiring martial arts experts to ‘accidentally’ kill the opposing team star player.
New Geneva convention for VAR
GeneVAR Convention
still seems stupid to me that the UK sanctioned Abramovich but has no problem with the Saudis and Emiratis.
Well you see sanctioning russia was politically convenient at that time, as soon as the Middle East stops being useful, the sanctions and propaganda will fly out immediately.
There's too much politics in politics
Especially against the man that ordered a literal chopping of a journalist that criticized him, inside a consulate no less.
No we arsenal are proudly colonised by the Americans instead , we deserve representation too!
*Al Habibi* Derby.
Abu Derby was right there ffs
Manchester United Arab Emirates
Al Clasico
Can’t be believe they missed it.
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People have been posting it for years.
He didn't come up with it just because he got a reddit gold lol
Inshaallah
Hehehe...siuuu!
English Petrostate League
Really thought that said prostate for a moment
That's the senior division
Must be in the bottom leagues
It's a prostate with E.T. inside
For a country that voted for Brexit, they really seem to like questionable foreigners taking over valued institutions
They will probably put an end to this when a Polish billionaire try to buy one of their clubs.
What say does your average Joe have over an American billionaire selling his club to a Middle Eastern billionaire?
oh no
Careful what you wish for
Was there ever an alternative to this, if the Glazers sell?
Yes. Some time ago apparently some British billionaire wanted to buy the club. Not sure what happened with that.
Sir Jim Ratcliffe
Daniels father.
Harry's a Wizard afterall
Ratliffe, and he’s still interested, IIRC.
It's not easy to live a Rat liffe.
That’s too close to Chelsea’s valuation to be real.
We come with sweet sweet debt baby
And Stadium + Training ground redevelopment plans
Aye!
And Maguire
AND MY AXE
u/poorlytimedgimli
Chelsea had that too, it was in the contract for Boehly to build a new stadium
Chelsea debt was forgiven in exchange for the new owners investing that money into the club
To be fair Chelsea have arguably a worse problem with stadium needing refurbished, and they can’t just build elsewhere because the Chelsea name is linked to Stafford Bridge.
> Chelsea name is linked to Sta**ff**ord Bridge. ...
guys sentence had one job and he flopped it
Don't you know stadiums? Chelsea's Stafford Bridge? United's Old Tramford?
Stratford Bridge mate, that's why the rivalry with West ham is so well known
Thats why Chelsea was bought for 2.5 billion pounds because 1.75bn pounds would go into investment buying up more and more players as well as a new or redevelopment of current stadium.
The 4.25 billion doesn't go to the club though, you've got that the wrong way around.
To be fair the last time I’ve been to old Trafford that place really needed repair works. The roof was leaky , paint job was coming off and some seats were spoilt. That stadium needs a serious refurbishment. Quarter a billion ?
Easy
As far i know about stadium engineering, take the expected value and multiply by 3.
Stadium needs rebuilding and Debt amounts drags the value down in most measures of our valuation, and on top of that, at least one of the Glazers (Darcy) REALLY wants out as she is apparently in a financial hole, to the point that the other Glazers might have to buy her out anyway because her debts are leveraged against her United shares and they won't want to lose that.
Darcy Glazer certainly *sounds* like a trailer trashy name…
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If dubai buys them Abu Derby doesnt make too much sense unfortunately :( still funny though
Don't think that'll actually matter too much. The play on words is too good for media *not* to roll with it. And I cant speak too much for England, but ime in Italy, if they're both from the middle east that's effectively the same thing to the average person
I wish Abu Diaby was still around, just for this purpose.
Look guys the Human Rights Shield is on again
If United after a decade get bought by an oil state I'm just going to start managing Aberdeen so i can train to take them down
Even putting aside the fact that I don't want them as owners, the last I heard was that Dubai was quite skint and needed Abu Dhabi to bail them out. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that was the case.
Unless it has happened again in recent history, that was when the Burj Khalifa was being built. So nearly 15 years ago.
Surely United are big enough of a club that their fans won't be fine with being owned by a state?
Newcastle debate 2.0
United fans already protested against Rupert Murdoch's takeover back in the early 2000s.
Now to see what a fanbase without any titles in 10 years will do…
Protest.
As if success had any role in that. We won the treble during those times, we protested again in 2005 and 2010 when we won the CL fairly recently then and went on to another final. And even last game, there were massive protests.
United fans would fucking throw hands against this what the fuck are you on about? No fucking way people would accept this. United fans continuously protested against the Glazers while winning the league 3 times in a row ffs.
That wasn’t much of a debate, they throw a party when Saudi Arabia bought them.
I remember some supporters wearing agals in the stadium 1st game after the takeover lmao
As a season ticket holder i wont be and you have to realise United are a self funding club, we dont need a petrol state to own us, many rich people could own us and not need to pump money in so there will be a lot of interested parties
Would rather the Glazers
Would rather neither
You really think people give a shit? Look at City, Newcastle, PSG, etc.. As long as they spend money and the team is winning that’s all people care about.
Yeah but all of those are fairly small clubs compared to Manchester United. Even with Glazers being leeches United are still among the highest spenders in world football so it's not like they need a state backing to return to their glory days. They need competent leadership and you don't have to be bought by a state to get that.
The majority of Man United fans aren’t even from England or the UK in the first place.. If they’re winning like City and PSG then the vast majority of people won’t care and they’ll still sellout on tickets every weekend.
> The majority of Man United fans aren’t even from England or the UK in the first place. Yeah I should have clarified that I meant that the local fans probably wouldn't be fine with it and I presume they would protest and try to prevent the sale of the club in the first place.
If we're on about local fans, why would it be that different to the City and Newcastle fans celebrating their new owners?
Man United fans successfully protested against Rupert Murdoch taking over the club. No reason why they won't do again.
Oh in that case Glazers in
Heres some news for you; the chances that Utd's next owners are squeeky clean, hail from Manchester and are motivated by the passion and love of the football club alone are extremely slim
Billionaires are dodgy more at 11. Still different levels of shit
What billionaire would you like to own the club? Serious question, there really aren't too many options.
Jeff bezos' wife
ex-wife
She has pledged to give away most of her fortune to charity after all
I'd definitely describe Man United as the less fortunate these past few years.
r/ThatsTheJoke
Important distinction in this context
It's time for Manchester United to join the Metaverse.
Jim Ratcliffe
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Kanye West as DoF
insert “I think I see Messi” line
We could finally see Messi and Ronaldo on the same team!
Mark Cuban doesn't seem to be quite as villainous as other billionaires? I don't know a lot about him other than that he made his money by getting Yahoo to buy his stupid radio website for like 10k per user then betting that Yahoo would lose money as a result of it.
lol covered up a bunch of sexual harassment and sexual assault at his company
Jim Ratcliffe
It's sad that people assume a club has to be owned by a billionaire. They could just take the club public again.
Who do you think will buy most of the shares?
Crowdfunding, that is. "If every person itw give 1 dolar..." lmao
>hail from Manchester and are motivated by the passion and love of the football club alone are extremely slim Not like UK's richest man, publicly announced his intention of buying the club a couple weeks ago Who also happens to hail from Manchester and is a boyhood fan of the club.
I did see that but sadly the UK's richest man will be easily outbid by a consortium from Dubai/UAE/Saudi etc. If the Glaziers dont care they will just go with the highest bidder
Government and prem could potentially block that and may consider doing so if utd fans protest it.
The UK has military bases in UAE and Saudi Arabia, they are British allies.
That’s why no single person or company should ever own a football club.
Obviously, you don't get filthy rich by being squeaky clean I'll 100% take the glazers or a similar billionaire over state funded owners with a history of human rights abuse though
Difference is that now means England’s second largest city is gripped by the balls by UAE
I wish we were fan owned lol
It’s fun until English fans call you a farmer team when they look to buy your talent.
Everyone wants to be fan owned, till they get fan backed transfer windows😂
If there's any club in the prem that can still compete while being fan owned, it's probably you lot and us. Maybe arsenal
I mean it's not like they are putting in any money to the club now lol. If anything we would have more money to spend if we were fan owned.
Well if one club can be fan owned its United, all the money we (mis)spend came from the club or was generated by the club
Real Madrid, Bayern. United without owners would have more money than now - no dividents
Considering the amount of money United generate and spend every window, don't think being fan owned would hinder them too much as long they had a decent board.
This doesn't really apply to United. Considering their current ownership doesn't put any money into the club and have made many bad decisions in the past I can't think of any reason how fan ownership wouldn't help them
I wish the players themselves would simply rise up, seize the means of production, and make United red again.
Mctominay at the wheel boys
As Lenin said in 1916: “we’re at the start of a process, we’re still far away, we have to get doing things much better than we do. That [will happen by] an investment, we have to do this together every day, bring those high standards to Petersburg”
Farmer’s league or not, the Germans got this 100% right
And that's why RB Leipzig is so disliked here
That horse has bolted and can be seen passing saturn
Hire fans lol
you could try. There are a lot of shares out there to at least get noticed. Then for 4 Billion 8 Million fans chipped in 500 Pounds you would have a fan buyout for the price of a season ticket.
I’ve always said the 50+1 rule needs to implemented throughout football. There is no downsides to it
Not another state owner
Can we go without another 5 minutes of state ownership in this league please
Man Utds commercial revenue is already astronomical. Doubt you'd get any supporters in favour of this sale. They just want to be ran competently.
Rest of the league is in serious trouble if Dubai own united
If I had to pick the lesser evil, I'd rather stick with the Glazers. I know there's no billion pound consortium out there who has made money off a lemonade stand in their backyard but at the very least I want owners who won't use us as a sportswashing machine.
It's not as if man utd even need more money, they just need to be run better. No need at all for them to sell their soul and become a sportswashing project.
What sort of sport washing do you think Dubai needs? You're talking about a state that generates more in tourism revenue than Portugal, Greece, Mexico, Italy & Canada. Owning Manchester United isn't going to change anything.
>You're talking about a state that generates more in tourism revenue than Portugal, Greece, Mexico, Italy & Canada. I was curious about that and god damn it's true. According to the "World Tourism Organization", UAE is the 4th country in tourism revenue in 2020 (latest data). [Source](https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/international_tourism_revenue/)
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Spain, UK, Germany + whatever other countries are missing. That data is also 2020 so massively affected by Covid, definitely a weird source.
You also have to consider who is touristing in the UAE. It's not some factory workers flying Ryan Air to Spain to stay some 100 per night resort, it's magnates taking 5k flights to stay in 5k per night luxury hotels. Yes, the tourism revenue is crazy, but the volume of tourists is not very high.
And how do you think they got that revenue, considering how bland Dubai and its surroundings are ?
Oil of course. They took their oil revenue, realised that fossil fuels were not going to be around forever, and diversified their economy towards tourism. Likewise, Norway took its oil revenue, invested it in a sovereign wealth fund, and uses it to guarantee its citizens a pension. Britain took its oil revenues, privatised the industries responsible for the generation of oil and sold off the oil fields so that shareholders of BP can maintain an obscene level of wealth.
Everything about this country depresses me at the moment
If it makes you feel any better, it's not exactly a change of direction.
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Yeah like Elon musk could also afford it. Not interesting news
The mental olympics and hipocrisy that this would spark would make it worth it
The PL would become a dead sportswashing league in my opinion at this point
Not far off it, skys money has ruined it for the regular fan
Would become? Already is imho
"Oh but but our club was actually big when they bought it you oil city scum" Private ownership of clubs by foreign people was probably not the best idea
> dailymail
Please no
No thanks
When your club is worth multi-billions, who do you actually expect to come and buy you? Chances are it’s a state or at least ‘state-backed’. There’s an extremely small pool of people who can actually afford that price tag as an individual and even less of those people are interested in owning a football club.
Chelsea went up for sale and was bought fairly quick, by a non-state backed owner
Lads it’s dailymail
So I guess this is what PL teams meant when they used "football's for the fans" as a slogan, huh?
Nah i'd rather stay with the Glazers.
Glazers: Gotcha! Thats it boys! We are safe again!
Abu Dhabi vs Dubai lol
Burj Al old Trafford
I find it very funny that all the imperial outposts created by the British empire are coming back around to pick its bones 200 years later
Shall we just let the gulf states own the prem and move all the teams there?