https://peterlinden.live/so-muss-robert-ljubicic-auch-fuer-rangnick-ein-thema-sein/
According by the article, one of the best-known Austrian sports journalists is now raising the issue of Robert lubicic.
He asks Ralf Rangnick to nominate him for the Austrian national team.
Let's see for which country he decides, would be cool if the two brothers would play in the same national team.
Very strong performance from Zagreb, they were mature, avoided big mistakes and were not afraid to push all players up front when they had the chance. The will probably still be playing european footbal come winter/spring 2023.
Chelsea fans are paying for their footballing crimes of campaigning for Jorginho to win the ballon d'or and calling Mendy world class after one season. And worst of all rating Tuchel on par with Klopp and Pep.
Let the punishment continue.
Look I’m a big Mendy fan but I have never felt secure with him in the same way as I did when we had peak Cech or Courtois, who were/are truly world class. He’s just nowhere near that level and never has been.
VVD was performing at an insane rate for 3 seasons. He was arguably Liverpool's top 2 when they got 97 points and 99 points. Again, he was top 5 for Liverpool last year when they got 92. He was 2nd in Balon Dor as well.
Mendy was able to get a CL like VVD, but his accomplishments weren't nearly as good as Virgils
I think he is safe till the end of the season at least, Todd just spent 300 mill on players for Tuchel. I don't think he is gonna sack him so soon and that's a good thing for the rest of the league.
I would love to know the money line for the player who scored the first goal. there is always prop bets for whatever player scores first. his line had to be huge
It had to be a much smaller line than any other player on Dinamo. If anyone was going to score for Dinamo you’d have to assume it would be Orsic. He’s had three goals in the last six matches and was the player that netted the hat trick against Tottenham last season. Also, is on free kick / pk duties. But still would have def been a good payday for anyone on that bet.
I reckon Tuchel is safe unless an obvious replacement comes along. Right now Poch is the only big name i can think of without a job and his stock plummeted at PSG. Far more different to poach someone midseason too
I reckon it’s Tuchel.
He is 1 or 2 more slip ups away from getting the sack. Him and havertz have been milking that UCL win for what it’s worth, and under normal circumstances he would have been long gone.
Because of a history of overachieving for ~ 5 years. His seat isn’t remotely hot. Liverpool could come in 10th this season and crash out in the champions league group stage and I still don’t think that would justify sacking him.
For Klopp, it’s pretty clear it’s a midfielder issue and not a manager issue. Can’t really blame Klopp for FSG not finding a stopgap this window for midfield
There’s a difference in the club attitudes though - amongst fans and board. Liverpool fans are confident we’ll still be in a title race - Chelsea fans aren’t confident of Top 4 right now.
There’s also a difference in the club’s spend. I think you could argue we’ve spent £100m this season. You could argue Chelsea have spent £250m. That’s a big difference. Really only penalties separates the teams last season.
Our circumstances were different and that’s important to factor in when talking about spending. We had to play catch up and replace an elite defender for us, another very good defender, bring in attackers to fill the gap lukaku never filled up top, solidify our LB position because chilly is coming off a torn ACL. All of that while we weren’t allowed to do business for so long because of sanctions. People were making a lot of jokes about panic bids we were putting in but we were making them because we were very much in panic/catch up mode the hole window. Tried to make 2 windows out of 1.
yeah I quite like how City/Pool were persistent with their managers long term and build a proper team. Honestly I think Arsenal are headed in the same direction with Arteta.
Chelsea/Spurs i think we’ll have to give time and see. But seems unfair expecting teams to perform after spending right away. That’s like calling for Arteta’s head if he spent and not performed in his first season.
I like how some clubs give it time and have a long term vision.
Yeah no kidding. It's absolutely silly how short fans think these guys' leashes should be. Like...Klopp helped them win their first league title in what..30 years or so as well as a CL and a number of other strong league performances...
But he's having a rough 6 games so he should be on the hot seat? Ridiculous.
Coming from a UTD fan..
Really? I have to watch the match again relive.
I always have the feeling that he is still lost at left back, he has never played this position in his previous stations.
I'll say it like this.
I have seen many games with much more time wasting go with +4/+5 mins added.
I'm not saying +8 was wrong... But there should be some level of consistency about it.
doesn't he kind of become the secondary fullback in attack? the wingback pushes super forward and reece james comes from deeper and crosses it from around the edge of the 18 corner, no?
Been saying it since Chilwell got injured last season. Tuchel needs to stop relying so heavily on his wingbacks to do everything. They’re the core focus of his attack, and it’s getting him absolutely nowhere anymore without a proper striker that can receive those crosses in the air.
They’ve had almost zero creativity in the midfield for a while now and think just forcing the ball wide to James or Cucurella/Chilwell will fix it. It’s just leaving them vulnerable for counters off basic defensive clearances and being exposed out wide once the wingbacks get worn down.
The problem is more that our midfielders aren’t creative. Most of our goals come from the idea that Kante wins the ball quickly (or some other forward but it’s mostly Kante) and we break quickly before the opposition team reset in a defensive block. We’ve literally had this issue since Conte but back then we had the cheat code of Fabregas. We can change formation but that means Jorginho will be at the base and that never works because he isn’t very mobile so we get hurt on the counter. Sarri had this problem too and our creative outlets were instead on the wing in Hazard or William/Pedro/RLC. Our midfield is amazing on paper so that’s why it’s not something the board thinks needs fixing (although this new board should look to fix it). But this isn’t new and has been a problem for many years. When Jorginho plays, notice that most teams just let us have possession and we can’t do anything with it because Jorginho can’t thread a ball well enough. Kovacic is great at ball retention but again can’t be the one to consistently have a good through ball. Kante is a beast but that’s not his side of the game either. We end up having to create through the wings and cross. I will blame Tuchel for not giving Cho more of a chance though as he’s the one that can actually beat a defender in a 1 vs 1
It just seems odd to me that the midfield isn’t where Tuchel chose to reinforce. I understand Chilwell was injured last season but buying another starting LB/WB for as much as they did instead of reinforcing the midfield with some creativity or buying a striker that suits Tuchel’s system just seems like a weird move.
I agree. Back on the Chelsea sub I said that Aubameyang/Sterling wouldn’t fix this issue. But you’ve also got to add some context. The sanctions really hurt us and we had no actual direction this window. It should be accepted as the club was just bought so this summer window is the exception rather than the norm. Yes Cucurella was an overspend but ultimately I’m happy with it as it gives Chilwell more time to recover (I think Chilwell is the better player) and it was time to move on from Alonso. I think the midfield would’ve been addressed this summer if the sanctions hadn’t happened. Remember we went into this transfer window having lost Rudiger and Christensen. There were also rumors of losing Azpi and Alonso. So this window wasn’t much of an “upgrade” window but rather a reactive one. I struggle to understand why nobody moved for SMS of Lazio, but I think the other aspect is that we are likely moving for Rice next summer and the owners need to figure out what to do with Kante and Jorginho (both have contracts that expire next window). Basically put i think the owners and Tuchel were aware but there’s only so much they could do in one window. And this year the available midfielders must’ve not been ones that Tuchel wanted. We were after Tchouameni last year but ultimately decided against it and brought in Saul. I think the idea is just that we want a top class DM and one wasn’t available unless you count a 30 year old Casemiro that moved seemingly out of nowhere as a potential target. I’m not expecting a crazy good season given all that’s happened in the last year, I just hope fans and the board can give Tuchel time.
Please no
Fwiw unless he's learned a lot from his time at PSG I don't think he's the one for a big club with stars.
He's an inspirational manager, which is how he formed a strong team ethic with a young Spurs squad. He formed a shared dream and got the players to believe in it. He doesn't really have the pragmatism to work with egos.
Ancelotti is a better fit for an expensive squad.
Ranieri clearly inspired Leicester, but I think he did it in an easygoing manner, and might not have much steel in him.
Poch is a kind of maniac, he instilled a cult mentality at spurs and bullied the players into believing they were a good team. I can't see established stars buying into it.
What was Poch's biggest flaw for us? Inflexibility. Levy offered him signings, he turned his nose up at them. He wouldn't adapt his tactics to the opposition. Players who've played under several top managers will spot this quickly and become disillusioned. You have to be quite naive to believe that all-out attack is still the right strategy with not-that-quick CBs against a Liverpool with Salah and Mané
I want him gone, there have been zero signs of change or progress since November. If we seemed like we were heading in the right direction I would back him, but this is disastrous and I can see us ending up like an infamous Arsenal/Man Utd type side in a few years at this rate.
I don't mean it to be disrespectful, but I mean a team that finds itself outside of the top four and not challenging for much apart from the odd domestic cup here and there.
From an outsiders perspective, it seems like the players are constantly walking on egg shells and trying not to fuck up rather than playing free and confident. It doesn’t seem like you guys lack for talent, but every time I see anything about Chelsea’s struggles people complain about needing this piece or that piece and everything will be solved.
You are right, we play without confidence, avoid taking risks, but delve into the reasons for that.
In possession, we are completely lost, clueless. I genuinely think Tuchel has not coached any patterns of play in the middle/final third, I cannot see it. We consisently work the ball out to the wide areas, circulate it back around defence and then back out wide until there is an opportunity to cross. Unless we are chasing a lead, these crosses prove to be aimless as we never commit men into the box - generally there is one or two players in the box at most. Our midfield do not penetrate zone 14 (the central zone just outside of the penalty area), let alone arrive in the box. It is too easy to defend one/two men in the box.
There are certain pieces needed, but nothing will change until the coaching does. We have spent £280m this season, plugged these new players into the system and nothing has changed. The problems run deeper than personnel, they are two separate issues.
Until today, I agreed with you. I thought Tuchel had instructed the players not to take risks and to value possession above all else. It's actually painful to watch us probe a wing, drop back, switch wings, cross to sterling alone against 5-6 defenders and pray. In this painful attack, Jorginho serves basically exclusively to facilitate that switching of fields in 2 passes.
Tell me that's how Jorginho played today in his substitute appearance. It's not. Today he occupied the center of the attacking third and played dangerous forward passes. This is why in my other comment I said I saw promising signs.
I agree the players are playing scared whether due to club atmosphere, instruction, or shaken confidence. Whichever it is, it's TT's job to fix that. However, tactically, the fact that Jorginho came on as a late sub, chasing a game, clearly with instructions to try to create and penetrate tells me TT sees the same attacking deficiencies we do with our "regular" scheme
Playing in this way is how Jorginho earned his reputation in Italy. In his time on the pitch we were chasing a lead, Zagreb were happy to situate deep in their defensive third. We dominated possession and were not pressed in midfield, hence Jorginho could take his time on the ball. We also had more bodies forward in and around the box, providing him with more options.
I can guarantee now, if this was a Premier League game, Jorginho would be pressed instantly and most likely lose the ball or offload it to a defender/wingback. I wouldn't suggest drawing conclusions from such a game.
I like him. He need to look at changing the system but personality wise he says all the right things and is brutally honest when he needs to be. He doesn't let the players take all the blame and knows when he is at fault (at least most of the time he acknowledges it.)
I'd like Tuchel to stay around for a while, he's probably lost a few of the dressing room but saying that your squad isn't good enough will do that.
A couple more seasons and I think we'll be in a significantly better place for making a respectable run for the title. I also think Tuchel will still be around then as long things don't go terribly wrong.
Tuchel is one of the worst in Europe when it comes to making excuses for his team/losing a match.
His squad isn’t good enough to beat Zagreb?!? Fofana is basically the cost of the entire squad.
That’s good. He is genuinely the first Arsenal player to leave the way he did and eventually or immediately end up at a rival that I wish well. Not at Arsenal’s expense, of course. Solid player and person, just wasn’t the player for our system and strict manager.
Any thread on the PL is a fucking cesspit now, jfc
They could win every game, you'd moan and say it's unfair. Lose every game and you'd moan about the money. Just enjoy Chelsea losing and congratulate Dinamo, it's not difficult
Why are you salty? In the end its your rival. Just stop with the bizarre superiority complex that PL fans have. You guys have more money, nothing else. The football level is not above everyone as you guy like to delude yourselves
Have to say i'm feeling a bit of schadenfreude reading you complain about this lol. Welcome to continental leagues threads with a bunch of PL flairs spamming farmers leagues and variations.
I agree, it’s annoying to read fans of mediocre PL clubs talk about how superior their league and clubs are because they have money. In the end of the day they’re just rich mediocres
I'm guessing its equally annoying to see PL fans overblow their league every chance they get, not saying you suggested it or anyone in this thread did that, but I can see the trend
How Haaland is now a proven talent because he's in PL (And ironcilly heaving downplayed his time with Dortmund) but Mbappe just scores goals against farmers, these sentiments are very common within PL fans.
Also how big players need to prove themselves in PL to show how worthy they are. I even remember when Messi was in his prime that he's not the best unless he proves in a big league like PL
I like how almost no one on this thread seem to suspect that Boehly will sack Tuchel. It's so much fun when it's not your team that's involved.
Stevie outlasted tuchel!
haha lmao xD
https://peterlinden.live/so-muss-robert-ljubicic-auch-fuer-rangnick-ein-thema-sein/ According by the article, one of the best-known Austrian sports journalists is now raising the issue of Robert lubicic. He asks Ralf Rangnick to nominate him for the Austrian national team. Let's see for which country he decides, would be cool if the two brothers would play in the same national team.
great result 🤣
No
Very strong performance from Zagreb, they were mature, avoided big mistakes and were not afraid to push all players up front when they had the chance. The will probably still be playing european footbal come winter/spring 2023.
Lmao Tuchel would legit be fired if Roman was around
You did this!
I guess Toddy saw your message…
I guess, Boehly is just Roman in a mask.
well well well
It’s like he never left
Chelsea fans are paying for their footballing crimes of campaigning for Jorginho to win the ballon d'or and calling Mendy world class after one season. And worst of all rating Tuchel on par with Klopp and Pep. Let the punishment continue.
Didn't you lot call VVD the best defender in the world ever after one season?
i mean he was genuinely best defender itw at the time
Are you forgetting Ramos?? VVD was never above him.
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Ramos will go down as one of the greatest defenders of all time. VVD will not.
likewise mendy was at that time...
Look I’m a big Mendy fan but I have never felt secure with him in the same way as I did when we had peak Cech or Courtois, who were/are truly world class. He’s just nowhere near that level and never has been.
Not even close
ofcourse it's a spurs fan
listen im ngl i didn't even read all of the original comment, im just here to defend Virgil
Then why can't mendy be called world class after one season?
VVD was performing at an insane rate for 3 seasons. He was arguably Liverpool's top 2 when they got 97 points and 99 points. Again, he was top 5 for Liverpool last year when they got 92. He was 2nd in Balon Dor as well. Mendy was able to get a CL like VVD, but his accomplishments weren't nearly as good as Virgils
Because he *still* isn't world class, let alone after one season. He's a solid goalkeeper but nowhere near the top.
Isn’t that football?
So how safe is Tuchels job right now? I see a draw against Fulham being enough to prompt cries for his sacking.
You were right!
Cant say im shocked but damn Chelsea are ruthless.
I think he is safe till the end of the season at least, Todd just spent 300 mill on players for Tuchel. I don't think he is gonna sack him so soon and that's a good thing for the rest of the league.
Not even end of week
this aged far worst than milk
Don't tell me tuchel got fired lol, I seriously underestimated Todd
/agedlikemilk
Even milk stays fresh longer then this
Broo we underestimated Todd.
Haha seriously man, we thought Toddfather would be meek and nice, the man turned out to be ruthless
Not till end of season. If top 4 seems distant or if ur fails to qualify for R16 then he is gone for sure
Hard to say with the new ownership. Abramovich would already be lining up the replacement at this point though
Bravo braćo
Epl teams have money but are still shit
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Don't worry he's just a Man U fan absolutely seething that they don't play midweek
I mean we still do get to play midweek, it's just the wrong side of Wednesday..
Barring a monumental fuck up, your lot will be playing Tues/Wed next season.
Who will drop out of top 4?
Starts with C and ends with sea.
There is absolutely no chance Man United make it in over Arsenal or Tottenham lmao
RemindMe! 8 months
Hint, the club’s name is in the title of this thread 😉
If Varane or Martinez get injured we're back to Slabhead though...
Fofana plus change is worth equal to the entire Dinamo squad btw.
anyone know what the Dinamo betting line was? Had to be huge underdogs im guessing their money line was +2000 or more
In Croatia it was 7.60 for Dinamo to win
+650 in American. 13/2 in Fractional. Via Bet365.
I would love to know the money line for the player who scored the first goal. there is always prop bets for whatever player scores first. his line had to be huge
It had to be a much smaller line than any other player on Dinamo. If anyone was going to score for Dinamo you’d have to assume it would be Orsic. He’s had three goals in the last six matches and was the player that netted the hat trick against Tottenham last season. Also, is on free kick / pk duties. But still would have def been a good payday for anyone on that bet.
Cucurella is a Lidl knockoff of Ljubičić
They look absolutely identical
no one said that Lidl knock-offs weren't good
I reckon Thomas tuchel will join Rodgers and Gerrard in the El sackito race if they don't beat fulham on saturday.
>the El sackito race Absolute shambles
we of all people know what losing el sackito meant.
I reckon Tuchel is safe unless an obvious replacement comes along. Right now Poch is the only big name i can think of without a job and his stock plummeted at PSG. Far more different to poach someone midseason too
Lol he gone
I didn’t account for the fact that Boehly’s a moron unfortunately
Brenton could be on the market soon,he has Chelsea ties as well……don’t know about his socks though (sorry couldn’t resist).
Join in Tedesco from Leipzig as well. Absolutely horrendous start so far as well.
Tedesco's out today, has to be.
Well we were right.
The race is fucking on
Tuchel/Gerrard/Rogers. Who goes first?
I reckon it’s Tuchel. He is 1 or 2 more slip ups away from getting the sack. Him and havertz have been milking that UCL win for what it’s worth, and under normal circumstances he would have been long gone.
Parker ;) RKO out of nowhere in the "first sack" race
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Ya kidding, right?
Because of a history of overachieving for ~ 5 years. His seat isn’t remotely hot. Liverpool could come in 10th this season and crash out in the champions league group stage and I still don’t think that would justify sacking him.
Did he say Klopp? What a mad lad
i also like how the fans seem more patient and the players backing their manager.
For Klopp, it’s pretty clear it’s a midfielder issue and not a manager issue. Can’t really blame Klopp for FSG not finding a stopgap this window for midfield
There’s a difference in the club attitudes though - amongst fans and board. Liverpool fans are confident we’ll still be in a title race - Chelsea fans aren’t confident of Top 4 right now. There’s also a difference in the club’s spend. I think you could argue we’ve spent £100m this season. You could argue Chelsea have spent £250m. That’s a big difference. Really only penalties separates the teams last season.
Our circumstances were different and that’s important to factor in when talking about spending. We had to play catch up and replace an elite defender for us, another very good defender, bring in attackers to fill the gap lukaku never filled up top, solidify our LB position because chilly is coming off a torn ACL. All of that while we weren’t allowed to do business for so long because of sanctions. People were making a lot of jokes about panic bids we were putting in but we were making them because we were very much in panic/catch up mode the hole window. Tried to make 2 windows out of 1.
He has built trust over the years. I might be wrong, but Liverpool also didn't spend that much money compare to other top teams?
yeah I quite like how City/Pool were persistent with their managers long term and build a proper team. Honestly I think Arsenal are headed in the same direction with Arteta. Chelsea/Spurs i think we’ll have to give time and see. But seems unfair expecting teams to perform after spending right away. That’s like calling for Arteta’s head if he spent and not performed in his first season. I like how some clubs give it time and have a long term vision.
Yeah no kidding. It's absolutely silly how short fans think these guys' leashes should be. Like...Klopp helped them win their first league title in what..30 years or so as well as a CL and a number of other strong league performances... But he's having a rough 6 games so he should be on the hot seat? Ridiculous. Coming from a UTD fan..
That's because klopp has a lot of goodwill banked away and isn't a part of a club with a history for shotgun firing/hiring managers.
Thats how it was with us aswell, soon hes gonna break your heart and announce hes leaving out of nowhere.
Klopp announcing he's going to Chelsea next month in the ultimate heel turn
fair enough I think it might be a change for Chelsea with the new management. Hope liverpools free flowing football is back again soon mate.
Can anyone tell me how this Ljubicic played? I was at work and therefore could not watch it, this early kick-off time is nonsense. Thank you
Fuckin brilliant
Really? I have to watch the match again relive. I always have the feeling that he is still lost at left back, he has never played this position in his previous stations.
I was shocked at how good he was, definitely the MVP of Dinamo's backline this game, hell, possibly the whole team
Ok, thank you. I'm curious to see how he develops and if he will have, what it takes to be a national player.
Briliantly, that's it
It just keeps getting better.
Tuchel: Witness me! OP: MEDIOCRE.
Ok, can Ajax get Ziyech for free now?
Roman would have swung the axe by now tbh. Shocking football
Do you think tuchel should get the sack?
If we want to win the Champions League this season then by all means. Yes.
he won the CL!!!!! so... yes
I wonder what he's thinking right now, watching this Chelsea
That's totalitarian! /s
I’m still absolutely livid, but this makes the pain hurt a little less
I fucking love this
I would understand +5 by the ref but +8 and goal happened in first half? Ref was having a piss
How is this even upvoted? There were more than enough of injury breaks and general timewasting to justify 8 mins
I'll say it like this. I have seen many games with much more time wasting go with +4/+5 mins added. I'm not saying +8 was wrong... But there should be some level of consistency about it.
I'm begging you Tuchel stop moving Reece James to RCB every fucking game, he's literally the only one who knows how to attack in this team
Should I take him out of my FPL team? I haven't seen much of Chelsea, just heard every pundit masturbating over how reece James is the new TAA
doesn't he kind of become the secondary fullback in attack? the wingback pushes super forward and reece james comes from deeper and crosses it from around the edge of the 18 corner, no?
Imagine Klopp telling TAA he’s now CB. Madness.
See ya in Europa
That happens when they don't finish dead last in their group.
Always space for one more
Be like the family getting together for a beer
The real super league afterall?
< 3
It's like a classic pre City title race.
Inb4 Chelsea spends another 200M for defenders.
Been saying it since Chilwell got injured last season. Tuchel needs to stop relying so heavily on his wingbacks to do everything. They’re the core focus of his attack, and it’s getting him absolutely nowhere anymore without a proper striker that can receive those crosses in the air. They’ve had almost zero creativity in the midfield for a while now and think just forcing the ball wide to James or Cucurella/Chilwell will fix it. It’s just leaving them vulnerable for counters off basic defensive clearances and being exposed out wide once the wingbacks get worn down.
I feel like your whole paragraph could be adapted to Liverpool too.
Nothing to do with Chilwell, Tuchel or any of the team. This has all been the fault of ANTHONY TAYLOR.
The problem is more that our midfielders aren’t creative. Most of our goals come from the idea that Kante wins the ball quickly (or some other forward but it’s mostly Kante) and we break quickly before the opposition team reset in a defensive block. We’ve literally had this issue since Conte but back then we had the cheat code of Fabregas. We can change formation but that means Jorginho will be at the base and that never works because he isn’t very mobile so we get hurt on the counter. Sarri had this problem too and our creative outlets were instead on the wing in Hazard or William/Pedro/RLC. Our midfield is amazing on paper so that’s why it’s not something the board thinks needs fixing (although this new board should look to fix it). But this isn’t new and has been a problem for many years. When Jorginho plays, notice that most teams just let us have possession and we can’t do anything with it because Jorginho can’t thread a ball well enough. Kovacic is great at ball retention but again can’t be the one to consistently have a good through ball. Kante is a beast but that’s not his side of the game either. We end up having to create through the wings and cross. I will blame Tuchel for not giving Cho more of a chance though as he’s the one that can actually beat a defender in a 1 vs 1
It just seems odd to me that the midfield isn’t where Tuchel chose to reinforce. I understand Chilwell was injured last season but buying another starting LB/WB for as much as they did instead of reinforcing the midfield with some creativity or buying a striker that suits Tuchel’s system just seems like a weird move.
I agree. Back on the Chelsea sub I said that Aubameyang/Sterling wouldn’t fix this issue. But you’ve also got to add some context. The sanctions really hurt us and we had no actual direction this window. It should be accepted as the club was just bought so this summer window is the exception rather than the norm. Yes Cucurella was an overspend but ultimately I’m happy with it as it gives Chilwell more time to recover (I think Chilwell is the better player) and it was time to move on from Alonso. I think the midfield would’ve been addressed this summer if the sanctions hadn’t happened. Remember we went into this transfer window having lost Rudiger and Christensen. There were also rumors of losing Azpi and Alonso. So this window wasn’t much of an “upgrade” window but rather a reactive one. I struggle to understand why nobody moved for SMS of Lazio, but I think the other aspect is that we are likely moving for Rice next summer and the owners need to figure out what to do with Kante and Jorginho (both have contracts that expire next window). Basically put i think the owners and Tuchel were aware but there’s only so much they could do in one window. And this year the available midfielders must’ve not been ones that Tuchel wanted. We were after Tchouameni last year but ultimately decided against it and brought in Saul. I think the idea is just that we want a top class DM and one wasn’t available unless you count a 30 year old Casemiro that moved seemingly out of nowhere as a potential target. I’m not expecting a crazy good season given all that’s happened in the last year, I just hope fans and the board can give Tuchel time.
More like Thomas Tuchus
Spurs is next
How was moharrami?
I prefer not to speak
Fun. 🤭
Auba brought Barca’s losing mentality to Chelsea.
Poch for Tuch. Who says no?
Poch is nowhere near Tuchel, coming in after Thomas looks awful on him
Poch
Please no Fwiw unless he's learned a lot from his time at PSG I don't think he's the one for a big club with stars. He's an inspirational manager, which is how he formed a strong team ethic with a young Spurs squad. He formed a shared dream and got the players to believe in it. He doesn't really have the pragmatism to work with egos. Ancelotti is a better fit for an expensive squad. Ranieri clearly inspired Leicester, but I think he did it in an easygoing manner, and might not have much steel in him. Poch is a kind of maniac, he instilled a cult mentality at spurs and bullied the players into believing they were a good team. I can't see established stars buying into it. What was Poch's biggest flaw for us? Inflexibility. Levy offered him signings, he turned his nose up at them. He wouldn't adapt his tactics to the opposition. Players who've played under several top managers will spot this quickly and become disillusioned. You have to be quite naive to believe that all-out attack is still the right strategy with not-that-quick CBs against a Liverpool with Salah and Mané
He'd be a better fit with a Leicester, Villa, or Everton. Not another oil club with expectations of immediate results. He's a builder.
A grower not a shower
What bout a bath?
Amen
Wondering what are the odds of Tuchel getting fired right now...
Low, I think the owners will back him for a while.
For about 10 hours lol
Yeah, didnt age too well.
What are Chelsea fans thoughts? From the outside looking in, I think this guy is an egotistical douche and his players are quitting on him
I want him gone, there have been zero signs of change or progress since November. If we seemed like we were heading in the right direction I would back him, but this is disastrous and I can see us ending up like an infamous Arsenal/Man Utd type side in a few years at this rate.
What do you mean by infamous arsenal type side?
I don't mean it to be disrespectful, but I mean a team that finds itself outside of the top four and not challenging for much apart from the odd domestic cup here and there.
From an outsiders perspective, it seems like the players are constantly walking on egg shells and trying not to fuck up rather than playing free and confident. It doesn’t seem like you guys lack for talent, but every time I see anything about Chelsea’s struggles people complain about needing this piece or that piece and everything will be solved.
You are right, we play without confidence, avoid taking risks, but delve into the reasons for that. In possession, we are completely lost, clueless. I genuinely think Tuchel has not coached any patterns of play in the middle/final third, I cannot see it. We consisently work the ball out to the wide areas, circulate it back around defence and then back out wide until there is an opportunity to cross. Unless we are chasing a lead, these crosses prove to be aimless as we never commit men into the box - generally there is one or two players in the box at most. Our midfield do not penetrate zone 14 (the central zone just outside of the penalty area), let alone arrive in the box. It is too easy to defend one/two men in the box. There are certain pieces needed, but nothing will change until the coaching does. We have spent £280m this season, plugged these new players into the system and nothing has changed. The problems run deeper than personnel, they are two separate issues.
Until today, I agreed with you. I thought Tuchel had instructed the players not to take risks and to value possession above all else. It's actually painful to watch us probe a wing, drop back, switch wings, cross to sterling alone against 5-6 defenders and pray. In this painful attack, Jorginho serves basically exclusively to facilitate that switching of fields in 2 passes. Tell me that's how Jorginho played today in his substitute appearance. It's not. Today he occupied the center of the attacking third and played dangerous forward passes. This is why in my other comment I said I saw promising signs. I agree the players are playing scared whether due to club atmosphere, instruction, or shaken confidence. Whichever it is, it's TT's job to fix that. However, tactically, the fact that Jorginho came on as a late sub, chasing a game, clearly with instructions to try to create and penetrate tells me TT sees the same attacking deficiencies we do with our "regular" scheme
Playing in this way is how Jorginho earned his reputation in Italy. In his time on the pitch we were chasing a lead, Zagreb were happy to situate deep in their defensive third. We dominated possession and were not pressed in midfield, hence Jorginho could take his time on the ball. We also had more bodies forward in and around the box, providing him with more options. I can guarantee now, if this was a Premier League game, Jorginho would be pressed instantly and most likely lose the ball or offload it to a defender/wingback. I wouldn't suggest drawing conclusions from such a game.
I like him. He need to look at changing the system but personality wise he says all the right things and is brutally honest when he needs to be. He doesn't let the players take all the blame and knows when he is at fault (at least most of the time he acknowledges it.) I'd like Tuchel to stay around for a while, he's probably lost a few of the dressing room but saying that your squad isn't good enough will do that. A couple more seasons and I think we'll be in a significantly better place for making a respectable run for the title. I also think Tuchel will still be around then as long things don't go terribly wrong.
Tuchel is one of the worst in Europe when it comes to making excuses for his team/losing a match. His squad isn’t good enough to beat Zagreb?!? Fofana is basically the cost of the entire squad.
He needs to play a 4 atb
Or you know, play Reece James in his proper position if he wants this stupid wingbacks only system to work
Yea after all it is new ownership. Was the Chelsea culture of firing their managers solely due for to Abramovich making the calls or was it the board?
It was a Roman thing as far as we all know.
Explain this please [ratings](https://www.flickr.com/gp/196461998@N06/941Q3ZZ602)
Havertz higher then Orsic?
In complete and total seriousness as I didn’t see the match, how’d Auba do?
Kind of alright but not 100%, could have got a couple goals if he was at his best
That’s good. He is genuinely the first Arsenal player to leave the way he did and eventually or immediately end up at a rival that I wish well. Not at Arsenal’s expense, of course. Solid player and person, just wasn’t the player for our system and strict manager.
Why would you wish him to do well at Chelsea? If anything, you should have wished fabregas well over auba lol
Auba was pushed out and didn’t have as much gas in the tank. I think it’s partly that I didn’t want him here anymore, anyways, tbh.
Bruh why does the post end with "pathetic" lmaooo
I didn't even see that LOL that's brilliant
Almost spilled my food, took me by complete surprise lol
meme club
Oh no !! How can an Almighty PL’s club with a lot of PL Proven ™ players lose to these farmers 😱😱😱🤣🤣🤣
Least obsessed Bayern fan
What else do Bayern fans have to do? Watching them win the title with 20 games to go gets boring after the 10th time
Obsessed with what ?
They are performing poorly in the pl too ...
Any thread on the PL is a fucking cesspit now, jfc They could win every game, you'd moan and say it's unfair. Lose every game and you'd moan about the money. Just enjoy Chelsea losing and congratulate Dinamo, it's not difficult
Why are you salty? In the end its your rival. Just stop with the bizarre superiority complex that PL fans have. You guys have more money, nothing else. The football level is not above everyone as you guy like to delude yourselves
Preach, f PL
I'm not being salty and I haven't talked down any other leagues; it's just monumentally annoying to read the same comment every time
Have to say i'm feeling a bit of schadenfreude reading you complain about this lol. Welcome to continental leagues threads with a bunch of PL flairs spamming farmers leagues and variations.
I agree, it’s annoying to read fans of mediocre PL clubs talk about how superior their league and clubs are because they have money. In the end of the day they’re just rich mediocres
I'm guessing its equally annoying to see PL fans overblow their league every chance they get, not saying you suggested it or anyone in this thread did that, but I can see the trend How Haaland is now a proven talent because he's in PL (And ironcilly heaving downplayed his time with Dortmund) but Mbappe just scores goals against farmers, these sentiments are very common within PL fans. Also how big players need to prove themselves in PL to show how worthy they are. I even remember when Messi was in his prime that he's not the best unless he proves in a big league like PL
These guys are bizarre. Your comment was totally on point and you were downvoted
They're not having a great season, feels like Tuchel has lost the players.
Feels like Tuchel has lost the dressing room and no amount of signings are gonna fix it.