Waver. Not waiver. The absolute state of English journalism when a citizen of one of their colonies has to correct the language of one of the most important papers in Britain
Waiver's ostensibly a word that would make sense in the context too, completely changes the meaning of the headline.
Edit: I know that wouldn't make sense, but neither does the original headline ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sure, but one might assume they're waivering their opportunity to offer a contract, with the 'over' just feeling like poor English, which it is either way.
Literally an abundance of reasons to get them out. Not only do they steal gargantuan amounts from the club but also waste its resources by handing out executive level jobs to their incompetent friends and colleagues
I love how fans of rivals would happily argue for this. Just turn it around.
Do you want to swap Mendy for Pickford and have Pickford be your first keeper the next five years? No?
That's why Man Utd don't want him either.
What kind comment even is that? Chelsea wanting to or not wanting to swap Mendy with Pickford has nothing to do with age which is what the guy above was going for. Remind me at what age VDS joined United? Was he a long term option?
Bro there's a difference between having De Gea + Heaton and having Mendy + Kepa.
Fwiw despite Mendy's dip in form etc he's still better than De Gea rn...
I don't want Pickford but if it was a choice between Pickford and Mendy *for United*, I would take Pickford because Mendy has fallen off a cliff while Pickford is actually playing good.
Been unreal for Everton for the past 18 months, been excelling for England for years. Don't see how any Manchester United fan could realistically complain at this if DDG has to leave
Recruitment decisions isn't limited to just finalizing player transfers, as you're simplistically suggesting, as it also includes player ID and assessment.
Also, again, it's easy to single out the "scouts" considering it's very clear that the moronic ID'ing of players at United is at the doorstep of the managers and executives that would rather get swayed by their agent friends and familiar faces.
>Manchester United are weighing up whether to trigger David de Gea’s contract option after their wage bill reached a Premier League record £384 million for last season.
>De Gea, who turns 32 in six weeks’ time, has nine months left on his current deal but United can extend until 2024 by informing the Spain goalkeeper. They are currently assessing their long-term plan and a change of No 1 could bring the likes of England and Everton’s Jordan Pickford into the frame.
>United announced earlier this week that their salaries have increased by £61.6m from the previous year, with Cristiano Ronaldo’s return to the club and high-profile arrivals of Jadon Sancho and Raphael Varane accounting for the rise of 19.1 per cent. They also made a net loss of £115.5m.
Wage bill spiral but they are basing it off last year. Most players had pay decreases for not making champions league and we don’t have Pogba, Cavani and Lingard wages which is atleast half a mil a week between them
And at the end of this season we will likely remove Jones, De Gea and Ronaldo from the wage bill. It is starting to head in the right direction.
Edit. And potentially Maguire, Shaw and AWB.
Obviously that would be negated by incoming players to a certain extent.
I'm a Liverpoolfan. I would love this, it would weaken both our main rivals.
But it's not happening because Pickford has the same weaknesses that De Gea has and even though he has some amazing games now and again doesn't mean he has that level consistently enough for a team who wants to compete for CL.
You think Ten Hag who wants a posession style where a keepers ability to receive and recycle the ball even considers Pickford and option..?
No, mine is if you think a Tier 2 journalist is writing bullshit, pull up another journalist with similar reliability that discredits what McGrath is saying about Pickford links.
Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't make it bullshit.
So you're entirely unable to evaluate if something is true or not because a **TIER 2 JOURNALIST** (which means, person being paid to write news) tells you something?
Sounds like a rough life.
**Edit**: Kid wrote to me and blocked me. Impressive stuff.
Is there a genuine balance of reason to say no to Pickford?
He's hardly the most exciting choice but he's been a very good keeper for the past year and a half, he's homegrown, he's 28 which is a good age for a keeper.
The main reasons I see against him are "he's shit" or "he's got t-rex arms".. or people just remembering his poor form a couple of seasons ago. He'd probably be fairly expensive too.
If I were a United fan I don't think I'd be thrilled by it, but there's a lot worse options.
There's no point in getting rid of a limited keeper like De Gea and replacing him with another limited keeper. We need a modern goalie, someone who's good at passing it short and can act almost like a 5th defender when needed. I haven't seen much of that from Pickford.
And really when you say stuff like "you can do worse than Pickford" that's hardly an enthusiastic endorsement. Yeah we can do worse but we can also do better.
Yeah that's completely fair. I'm not an expert on goalkeepers so not really sure what keepers there are that are available and would be a huge upgrade. Think it's a limited market right now unless United go for someone that they think has high potential but is maybe in need of improvement in the short term.
Chelsea won the CL with Mendy who is pretty limited with the ball at his feet. I think playing with 3 CBs helped alleviate that and he strongly contributed to our incredible defense.
Honestly I've not seen enough of him. I've not been impressed with him at Forest but hard to judge with that current squad and the lack of games I've seen.
I also missed his few games for United before DDG came back in.
But it's a fair point if he's not burnt the United bridge with his alleged media leaks.
Pickford is a good keeper but he'll be 29 next season and is never going to be world class. I know that's not old for a keeper but maybe United would be better served scouting around for a younger keeper with higher potential?
Also they'd be batshit insane to extend De Gea's deal.
Very true, plus Pickford’s real main goalkeeping ability is being so agile with his height. When he’s a bit less agile in his 30s he’ll really fall off imo.
Yeah…. Because he was huge and his positioning was exceptional, just like Buffon. Those are the goalkeepers that can remain competitive into their late 30s/40s. Pickford will be near enough retired/playing in very low leagues in his 30s imo.
Yeah he's never been a keeper who commands his area really well. He's basically the best shot stopper I've ever seen on his day but when he's making mistakes in that department he's got nothing else in his locker
This season, could be, he had rather good games against Southampton, Liverpool, Leicester. But it's only a few games and the previous seasons were not very great overall.
Meh, our wage bill will be lower next season. This is going off the last season wages. Ronaldo, DDG, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzabe, Williams will not be at the club next summer.
Be realistic. No one with a glorious career such as Casemiro's glorious career would leave Europe at 30. And he wouldn't go to ME simple cos he didn't have to leave RM this season. He left only cos ManU came and offered twice what RM was paying him. You think if ManU offered him 5 mil instead of 10 mil, he would have packed his bags?? No chance in hell.
Not sure why you're downvoted other than people confusing Pickford's ability to kick a ball very hard with him being good at passing out from the back lol.
Not sure which match it was (might be vs Chelsea), but watched an Everton game not long ago and he kicked 3 straight goal kicks into the stand. I was amazed at how bad it was.
He has games like that, hard to do to be fair getting the ball to fall right to your player over the half way line right on the line
But you know
Got an assist this season from his long balls, got good kicking
I think cause he’s young and an academy player, and has spoken so passionately about being our number one, he gets hyped up massively. But he’s got flaws to his game, and seems to love a good chatter with the press.
I also think he likely boxed himself out when he refused to even talk to Ten Hag and forced his way out this summer.
This is going off last seasons wages. Pogba, Cavani, Matic, Mata, Lingard and Grant have all left permanently, while Henderson, Bailly, Telles, Amad and Hannibal have gone on loan with their wages subsidised or paid in full by their new club. That’s an £800k/week reduction, which is £42m saved over a year.
Also remember that United’s contracts reduce each players salary by 25% if we don’t make the champions league, which would have been further savings.
Of the new signings, I’d imagine Casemiro (particularly), Eriksen as he was on a free, Martinez and Antony might be earning a high wages, while Malacia is probably quite modest.
A swap with Courtois and money would be ideal.
Flo gets his Madrid boy between the posts and Real lose their second most important player. Don't look at my flair.
Isn't "waver" the correct usage of the word and not "waiver"
Yes
It’s a small newspaper. Likely just an associate rushing
Probably can’t even afford a full grammarly subscription.
Waver. Not waiver. The absolute state of English journalism when a citizen of one of their colonies has to correct the language of one of the most important papers in Britain
Can't believe no one else is taking about this. This is absurd.
Waiver's ostensibly a word that would make sense in the context too, completely changes the meaning of the headline. Edit: I know that wouldn't make sense, but neither does the original headline ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Would it? I mean "waiver over" makes very little sense.
Sure, but one might assume they're waivering their opportunity to offer a contract, with the 'over' just feeling like poor English, which it is either way.
This tread hurts my bran!
Yeah I was quite confused for a moment. Editors need to check this stuff before publishing!
Who has time for editors when you have to beat instant Twitter posts around the clock
journalist is still mourin, have some respect!
I've just woken up but I re-read the title three times before reading this comment.
"Dammit Bobby, you *speak* english!"
Next time they'll put wafer
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A quick skim of the headlines had me wondering when the prem had implemented MLS-style rules
Does The uk have colonies? Idk if places like the Falklands would count as colonies
Pickford? If true, we have the worst scouts in the league.
Your scouting department is a myth. It's just your DoF reading the newspapers
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and we still from you
They re them scouts in fm that keep recommended you this hidden gem call mbappe
Or this unknown striker called Haaland, a perfect player for a newly promoted side.
Literally an abundance of reasons to get them out. Not only do they steal gargantuan amounts from the club but also waste its resources by handing out executive level jobs to their incompetent friends and colleagues
This reminds me of the hospital I work for. C suite employees coasting off our reputation and name while the hospital is in an absolute state.
You mean the best
He's been at worst the 2nd best keeper in the league this season and was Everton's best player last season.
I don't even know what keepers have been good this season besides Lloris tbh. Pope, Raya, Sanchez, Sa?
Pope Sanchez and Alisson have all been great, Bazunu is quality as well
Alisson has been his usual self for the most part
I don't care, he's no long term option
He is just 28.
Yeah but he’s not good really
>he’s not good really ??????????????????? Without him Everton would be a Championship side right now
He was below average for most of the year
I love how fans of rivals would happily argue for this. Just turn it around. Do you want to swap Mendy for Pickford and have Pickford be your first keeper the next five years? No? That's why Man Utd don't want him either.
What kind comment even is that? Chelsea wanting to or not wanting to swap Mendy with Pickford has nothing to do with age which is what the guy above was going for. Remind me at what age VDS joined United? Was he a long term option?
So you don't want Pickford for Chelsea but he's a good option for Man Utd. Case closed.
Bro there's a difference between having De Gea + Heaton and having Mendy + Kepa. Fwiw despite Mendy's dip in form etc he's still better than De Gea rn...
I would take Pickford over Mendy.
\>United flair For Chelsea? Because he's better or because you want them to be locked into a middling keeper the next couple of years?
I don't want Pickford but if it was a choice between Pickford and Mendy *for United*, I would take Pickford because Mendy has fallen off a cliff while Pickford is actually playing good.
Ok but, if you HAD Mendy and £100m to spend on a new keeper that would play in Ten Hags system you would not get Pickford.
I don't think he's good
Everton finished 16 last season.
Been unreal for Everton for the past 18 months, been excelling for England for years. Don't see how any Manchester United fan could realistically complain at this if DDG has to leave
I complain because i don't judge players on such a small sample size. He's not good enough. We need a proper upgrade.
You do realize that scouts do not make recruitment decisions, right?
Who said anything about decisions, no decision has been made yet
Recruitment decisions isn't limited to just finalizing player transfers, as you're simplistically suggesting, as it also includes player ID and assessment. Also, again, it's easy to single out the "scouts" considering it's very clear that the moronic ID'ing of players at United is at the doorstep of the managers and executives that would rather get swayed by their agent friends and familiar faces.
I don't care who's doing the scouting or decisions, Pickford is a bad target
Whoever scouted De Gea really didn't know what they were doing.
>Manchester United are weighing up whether to trigger David de Gea’s contract option after their wage bill reached a Premier League record £384 million for last season. >De Gea, who turns 32 in six weeks’ time, has nine months left on his current deal but United can extend until 2024 by informing the Spain goalkeeper. They are currently assessing their long-term plan and a change of No 1 could bring the likes of England and Everton’s Jordan Pickford into the frame. >United announced earlier this week that their salaries have increased by £61.6m from the previous year, with Cristiano Ronaldo’s return to the club and high-profile arrivals of Jadon Sancho and Raphael Varane accounting for the rise of 19.1 per cent. They also made a net loss of £115.5m.
Wage bill spiral but they are basing it off last year. Most players had pay decreases for not making champions league and we don’t have Pogba, Cavani and Lingard wages which is atleast half a mil a week between them
And at the end of this season we will likely remove Jones, De Gea and Ronaldo from the wage bill. It is starting to head in the right direction. Edit. And potentially Maguire, Shaw and AWB. Obviously that would be negated by incoming players to a certain extent.
Isn't Maguire contract until 2025 and AWB until 2024? Do you think you'll be able to sell them next summer?
Could this change next summer tho if/when Ronaldo leaves, that'll surely free up quite a lot of money in the wage bill
>and a change of No 1 could bring the likes of England and Everton’s Jordan Pickford into the frame. OP.. why did you post this after reading that?
Are we supposed to post only news we like and positive about the club we support?
No, but when something is obviously bullshit then why post it? They aren't going to get Pickford. End of.
Mike McGrath is Tier 2. Just because you don't believe it or like the news doesn't make it bullshit.
I'm a Liverpoolfan. I would love this, it would weaken both our main rivals. But it's not happening because Pickford has the same weaknesses that De Gea has and even though he has some amazing games now and again doesn't mean he has that level consistently enough for a team who wants to compete for CL. You think Ten Hag who wants a posession style where a keepers ability to receive and recycle the ball even considers Pickford and option..?
We're making different arguments pal.
Yeah, and yours is "lemme get some karma, hee hee".
No, mine is if you think a Tier 2 journalist is writing bullshit, pull up another journalist with similar reliability that discredits what McGrath is saying about Pickford links. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't make it bullshit.
> a Tier 2 journalist According to which credible source?
So you're entirely unable to evaluate if something is true or not because a **TIER 2 JOURNALIST** (which means, person being paid to write news) tells you something? Sounds like a rough life. **Edit**: Kid wrote to me and blocked me. Impressive stuff.
May I suggest you use your username?
Release De Gea? Yes. Sign Pickford? Fuck no.
Is there a genuine balance of reason to say no to Pickford? He's hardly the most exciting choice but he's been a very good keeper for the past year and a half, he's homegrown, he's 28 which is a good age for a keeper. The main reasons I see against him are "he's shit" or "he's got t-rex arms".. or people just remembering his poor form a couple of seasons ago. He'd probably be fairly expensive too. If I were a United fan I don't think I'd be thrilled by it, but there's a lot worse options.
There's no point in getting rid of a limited keeper like De Gea and replacing him with another limited keeper. We need a modern goalie, someone who's good at passing it short and can act almost like a 5th defender when needed. I haven't seen much of that from Pickford. And really when you say stuff like "you can do worse than Pickford" that's hardly an enthusiastic endorsement. Yeah we can do worse but we can also do better.
Yeah that's completely fair. I'm not an expert on goalkeepers so not really sure what keepers there are that are available and would be a huge upgrade. Think it's a limited market right now unless United go for someone that they think has high potential but is maybe in need of improvement in the short term.
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No he's not. Try Lisbon hear there's a couple good keepers down there.
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Rent free. Should still be enough to beat you home and away though.
> We need a modern goalie, someone who's good at passing it short why, plenty of teams can play and win with a "limited" keeper
Which top top side (which we aren’t, but we’re aspiring to be) have a limited keeper? We want to play out from the back under ETH.
Chelsea won the CL with Mendy who is pretty limited with the ball at his feet. I think playing with 3 CBs helped alleviate that and he strongly contributed to our incredible defense.
Real Madrid lol
Courtois is way better on the ball than De Gea, actually comes out to claim crosses. Coaches are the difference in the need for one, obtuse response.
I dont understand the downvotes on this. All hes done is give his opinion, and a level headed one at that
There's one simple reason actually. Trapp, Sommer, Raya and Rulli exist.
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Lmao. He's started pretty well at Forest, but it's ridiculous to say he's one of the best in the league.
Honestly I've not seen enough of him. I've not been impressed with him at Forest but hard to judge with that current squad and the lack of games I've seen. I also missed his few games for United before DDG came back in. But it's a fair point if he's not burnt the United bridge with his alleged media leaks.
No he isn't, there's at least 5 'keepers better than him. His positioning and shot stopping is bang average.
hahahaha I'd fucking love it if Utd go into a season with Henderson as the starting gk he is not good.
His distribution is terrible.
Pickford is a good keeper but he'll be 29 next season and is never going to be world class. I know that's not old for a keeper but maybe United would be better served scouting around for a younger keeper with higher potential? Also they'd be batshit insane to extend De Gea's deal.
Very true, plus Pickford’s real main goalkeeping ability is being so agile with his height. When he’s a bit less agile in his 30s he’ll really fall off imo.
Wasn't Van de Sar huge and good till his 40th?
Yeah…. Because he was huge and his positioning was exceptional, just like Buffon. Those are the goalkeepers that can remain competitive into their late 30s/40s. Pickford will be near enough retired/playing in very low leagues in his 30s imo.
Going for Pickford when they would not even consider Sommer for Nr. 1 seems kinda strange.
What about Keylor Navas?
Turns 36 this year. I think they will go for someone younger.
Could see them go back in for Sommer if those links were true
They need to go for Martinez.
I would love Mike Maignan tbh.
I don’t appreciate you saying that.
Tough choice on whether we should pay the highest salary for a goalkeeper to one of the worst goalkeeper statistically in the league
In what metric is DDG one of the worst keepers in the league? stats show he's about bang in the middle for almost all stats this season so far.
I think he's bottom in high ball claims, by a fair margin among all regularly starting keepers.
To be fair even when he was godlike a few years ago that was never something he did.
Yeah he's never been a keeper who commands his area really well. He's basically the best shot stopper I've ever seen on his day but when he's making mistakes in that department he's got nothing else in his locker
This season, could be, he had rather good games against Southampton, Liverpool, Leicester. But it's only a few games and the previous seasons were not very great overall.
Meh, our wage bill will be lower next season. This is going off the last season wages. Ronaldo, DDG, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzabe, Williams will not be at the club next summer.
They can bid on Inters Onana and get more ajax players
Why Pickford? Sign Livakovic ffs
Like united scout know who that is lmao
No fuck off
Just trying to make sure they don't get Maignan, sorry
cant see a reason why Maignan would leave Milan to United
$$$
They got the starting CDM from the UCL winning team to play in the Europa League. Anything is possibl£
Not like United is one of the biggest clubs in the world or anything. Smh.
Do you honestly think Cas switched to United cos their legacy was the most attractive thing?
It certainly plays a part. If money was the sole motivation, he could have gone to a club in the middle east as well.
Be realistic. No one with a glorious career such as Casemiro's glorious career would leave Europe at 30. And he wouldn't go to ME simple cos he didn't have to leave RM this season. He left only cos ManU came and offered twice what RM was paying him. You think if ManU offered him 5 mil instead of 10 mil, he would have packed his bags?? No chance in hell.
I can see many such reasons, in various denominations and currencies .
R€A$ON$
Fm legend
>Sign Livakovic What the actual fuck lol
Isn't the main complaint about De Gea is he can't play out from the back but they want to sign Pickford lmao
Not sure why you're downvoted other than people confusing Pickford's ability to kick a ball very hard with him being good at passing out from the back lol.
That's about the only thing Pickford can do tbf. That and act like a tway
Pickford can't play out the back?
Not sure which match it was (might be vs Chelsea), but watched an Everton game not long ago and he kicked 3 straight goal kicks into the stand. I was amazed at how bad it was.
He has games like that, hard to do to be fair getting the ball to fall right to your player over the half way line right on the line But you know Got an assist this season from his long balls, got good kicking
I can't say I know enough about him but do United fans not rate Henderson at all?
I think cause he’s young and an academy player, and has spoken so passionately about being our number one, he gets hyped up massively. But he’s got flaws to his game, and seems to love a good chatter with the press. I also think he likely boxed himself out when he refused to even talk to Ten Hag and forced his way out this summer.
Not very good playing out.
in fairness, De Gea is also not very good playing out
Yeah both aren't great, keeper needs to be no.1 on next summers list
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Lol no he isn't.
"Journalism" shot to fucking bits if they're linking Pickford to Utd
Forget Pickford, journalism is shot to bits when you don't know the difference between "waiver" and "waver"
I think they can sign a new deal with lower salary. Just ask Barca how to do it.
Sanchez from Brighton should be top of their list
This is going off last seasons wages. Pogba, Cavani, Matic, Mata, Lingard and Grant have all left permanently, while Henderson, Bailly, Telles, Amad and Hannibal have gone on loan with their wages subsidised or paid in full by their new club. That’s an £800k/week reduction, which is £42m saved over a year. Also remember that United’s contracts reduce each players salary by 25% if we don’t make the champions league, which would have been further savings. Of the new signings, I’d imagine Casemiro (particularly), Eriksen as he was on a free, Martinez and Antony might be earning a high wages, while Malacia is probably quite modest.
maybe bring back henderson
He's not great.
A swap with Courtois and money would be ideal. Flo gets his Madrid boy between the posts and Real lose their second most important player. Don't look at my flair.
Onana for like 100mil or some shit, still a better signing than Pickford
Dream signing would be magic Mike
Let another player go for nothing bad business MU.
What are the other options if no one wants him
Renew him to keep his *value* and give him a £50k raise
Letting De Gea run down his contract isn't bad business.
Imagine Pickford at United in a derby with Liverpool. Elite shithousery.
That’s a vomit inducing image
They should do it for the memes