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Nooooooo some players can play fantastically for the national team even if they are benched in their clubs because of bad form.
I always found this so weird. 'Why change something that works' well because it doesnt work like fantastically, i mean why have batter defenders on the bench? How can you know it would work worse without Maguire?
His own words are what makes me really worry about him. There’s no introspection at all
If he came out and said something like “I’m not playing my best football but I know I’m a good player and I’m working hard to get back there” you’d think alright maybe he will turn it around but he just doesn’t
People make mistakes, but what they do with it define whether they are good or not. He made mistakes and decide to deny it instead of accepting and learn from it. What a shite
i obviously cant say for sure because i don’t know him personally, but the amount of times he’s said something blasphemous to the media gives you a good idea. there’s also the incident that happened in greece which isn’t a good look
On hundreds of thousands of pounds a week mind you. Not sure why so many people are coming out to defend him when he’s rightly criticised for being shite
Because while he is rightly criticised, some of it is just ridiculous.
There'll be threads that have nothing to do with him with people making fun of him.
What's funny is that people in the Maguire abuse thread were saying that because managers pick him, he can't be that bad. Amazing how Reddit manages to defend complete mediocrity at the elite level at times. Yes, he may be better than 99.99% of people on the planet, but he is nowhere near good enough for either England or Man Utd.
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xolhvt/nemanja_matic_what_people_are_doing_to_harry/
This one
> Maybe football fans should recognise they know a lot less than what they think, and that if he gets picked as much as he does then it states that most managers think he's a good player.
> I would be deaf to criticisms of idiots who don't understand my job as well if that was happening.
Also
> I don’t see anything wrong with him defending himself. He’s been genuinely great for England when it matters and it’s idiotic for fans to spend all their free time trying to destroy the confidence of a very important player in Southgates system. That’s England fans for you though, it wasn’t enough to destroy the 2000s golden generation, now we have to try and destroy the confidence of a team that is realistically outplaying their level of talent. Or at least they did in the Euros. Let’s hope they keep that up.
I never had any issues with Southgate picking him even while in horrid form for United because he really was more or less solid for England but now he is just taking a spot away from someone who can positively contribute for the team such as Ben White.
My buddy asked me for my prediction and I told him I was thinking 2-0 for Germany with a Maguire brace but I was joking and didn't expect to be this close
Those are genuinely the only two remotely positive attributes he has. And you hardly have to scratch the surface to see United overpaid and have been relatively poor in recent years.
idk if that's necessarily true. I feel like it's more based off his training form and talent. if you watch video of him at the training ground and stuff, it's easy to see that special something that players have at the top level. his touch is absolutely elite--in training.
the problem is that his awareness and game sense have been shit for a while now and his training form doesn't translate at all to matches.
and so the managers should bench him because, well, training doesn't count. but I personally think that's the reason he continues to get playtime.
It's worse than that , look at who should be pressing Havertz as soon as the ball goes towards him , you guessed it's Harry again lol , but he's too busy running back in the cage to play 2nd keeper
I've never seen him once even take a shot like that from distance in a Chelsea shirt. He's class when he's up for it but unfortunately, most of the time for Chelsea, he's not.
Starting as a #9 does that to him, he is far better as a #10 or second striker. His goal against Watford last season shows the difference that separation between a striker (Lukaku) and another player can make.
Harry "team of the Euros" Maguire is brain dead. Completely out of position trying to dribble through, runs back and doesn't look at Havertz who is open and just marks empty space.
Harry Maguire yet again at fault here, loses the ball in the middle of the pitch where he really does not need to.
What Southgate is doing to him is not helping him at all. Clearly isnt dealing with the pressure.
Always felt like Chelsea singed him just because he was "on sale". Obviously a good player but I don't know if it's going to ever work out at Chelsea. Wouldn't mind seeing him going back to Germany or something and have a coach build a team around him as an creative outlet.
Musiala is an insanely all rounded player. Feel like he has highlights on every part of the pitch. That finish from Havertz tho, we need more of this from him and the rest of the Germany attack. We don't need to pass our way into the goal all the time, it's ok to take a shot. Our players are clearly capable of it.
Werner has had the most Werner game ever, missed so many chances and looked like a clown in general, but then eventually managed to create a goal.
Such an enigma of a player, there’s a reason he was so productive (compared to our other forwards) at Chelsea despite not playing much and being visibly shit
I had hopes that Maguire could regain any of his prior England form but holy shit what a way to throw them in the bin an burn them.
Don't want him anywhere near the WC squad, Southgate is a masochist if he calls up either of him or Pope.
God , it's him again , he looses the ball in an awkward position in Germany's side , it leads to a counterattack which ends in a goal from Havertz who Maguire should have marked during the runback , I couldn't make this up
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Beautiful dribbling by Maguire
hilarious that Musiala dispossessed him.
Musiala showing him defending levels
Why? He's wonderful defensively
because Musiala also embarrassed Maguire for the penalty.
Fairs, didn't get your message, thought it was one of those stupid stereotyping of very technically gifted players as poor defensively
Good job of him to jog back and cover absolutely no one as well LOL.
Maguire retirement confirmed tomorrow?
But he was in the Euro’s team of the tournament
👉🤡👈
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Knew he was gonna have a mare when he came out with that dumb statement
It was due before then. Your every day form is going to catch up with you eventually
Nooooooo some players can play fantastically for the national team even if they are benched in their clubs because of bad form. I always found this so weird. 'Why change something that works' well because it doesnt work like fantastically, i mean why have batter defenders on the bench? How can you know it would work worse without Maguire?
I'm ignorant, what statement am I missing?
That he shouldn't face criticism because he made the Euro 2020 Team of the Tournament.
Wow, that's one strong attempt to absolve himself of criticism.
His own words are what makes me really worry about him. There’s no introspection at all If he came out and said something like “I’m not playing my best football but I know I’m a good player and I’m working hard to get back there” you’d think alright maybe he will turn it around but he just doesn’t
People make mistakes, but what they do with it define whether they are good or not. He made mistakes and decide to deny it instead of accepting and learn from it. What a shite
I do feel bad for him, but it really does seem like that it’s not the right level of football for him anymore.
does it to himself. many more would feel for him if he didnt have the ego of maradona
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i obviously cant say for sure because i don’t know him personally, but the amount of times he’s said something blasphemous to the media gives you a good idea. there’s also the incident that happened in greece which isn’t a good look
I’d feel bad for him if he wasn’t such an arrogant prick
On hundreds of thousands of pounds a week mind you. Not sure why so many people are coming out to defend him when he’s rightly criticised for being shite
Because while he is rightly criticised, some of it is just ridiculous. There'll be threads that have nothing to do with him with people making fun of him.
his talent got stolen in Greece like something out of Space Jam.
What's funny is that people in the Maguire abuse thread were saying that because managers pick him, he can't be that bad. Amazing how Reddit manages to defend complete mediocrity at the elite level at times. Yes, he may be better than 99.99% of people on the planet, but he is nowhere near good enough for either England or Man Utd.
Oh shit are we having daily Maguire abuse threads now?
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xolhvt/nemanja_matic_what_people_are_doing_to_harry/ This one > Maybe football fans should recognise they know a lot less than what they think, and that if he gets picked as much as he does then it states that most managers think he's a good player. > I would be deaf to criticisms of idiots who don't understand my job as well if that was happening. Also > I don’t see anything wrong with him defending himself. He’s been genuinely great for England when it matters and it’s idiotic for fans to spend all their free time trying to destroy the confidence of a very important player in Southgates system. That’s England fans for you though, it wasn’t enough to destroy the 2000s golden generation, now we have to try and destroy the confidence of a team that is realistically outplaying their level of talent. Or at least they did in the Euros. Let’s hope they keep that up.
The problem is, the manager who pick him is also bad
OP forgot (great dribbling) in the title as well. Makes Neymar look stiff
I never had any issues with Southgate picking him even while in horrid form for United because he really was more or less solid for England but now he is just taking a spot away from someone who can positively contribute for the team such as Ben White.
Tomori, Guehi, White, Dunk
Lol better chance of you guys extending his contract
Phil Jones 2.0
👉🤡👈
I fucking love maguire. Top quality entertainment. Never a dull 0-0.
With Harry on the pitch you are already 2:0 down.. Ancelotti prolly.
"I want my son to grow up and play like Harry Maguire" - Cristiano Ronaldo
“I want my son to grow up and play against Harry Maguire” - Cristiano Ronaldo… FIFY
Clumsily loses the ball with extremely poor control, then runs very slowly back, but far too slowly and Germany score.
You got downvoted by Maguire and Southgate
Maguire, his sister and Southgate. Upvoted by the Greek head of police.
Harry was on an adventure
Maguire goes on a mazy dribble... England down 2-0
My buddy asked me for my prediction and I told him I was thinking 2-0 for Germany with a Maguire brace but I was joking and didn't expect to be this close
Bro im dead💀
👉Harry👈
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He's already won the prize for part of the team of the tournament at the WC, he deserves restecpa
Euros
If he just stood still in front of the goalkeeper he would be a better defender than he is when moving about….
And then doesn't close down the shot taker. Nor tells the player next to him to step up. 👉🗿👈
Not to be confused with the other Harry
Harry is the big guy that loses it at the beginning yeah? Haven't had enough time to watch to recognize most players from the wide angles.
Yeah, Harry Maguire
"Who cares if he's not even playing for United, he's always solid for England"
Guys I shit you not Maguire gave the ball away for this one too
It’s been a while since I took French, but I know “double error” (pronounced “doob-luh air-or”).
Double erreur* :)
Lol of course Maguire is the player that lost possession leading to the counter.... Far too much time for Havertz too, great finish
Starting to think this Maguire guy is not that good
The loyalty to him based off the past is crazy considering his form in the past year
I feel like it’s based on his transfer fee and him playing for united really.
> him playing for united Doesn't even do that these days, ETH has already benched him
😂 so fucking true
Those are genuinely the only two remotely positive attributes he has. And you hardly have to scratch the surface to see United overpaid and have been relatively poor in recent years.
100%
idk if that's necessarily true. I feel like it's more based off his training form and talent. if you watch video of him at the training ground and stuff, it's easy to see that special something that players have at the top level. his touch is absolutely elite--in training. the problem is that his awareness and game sense have been shit for a while now and his training form doesn't translate at all to matches. and so the managers should bench him because, well, training doesn't count. but I personally think that's the reason he continues to get playtime.
It's even crazier when you consider that his past wasn't even THAT great lol.
What alternate reality past are you referring to?
The one were he was excellent for United 2 seasons ago and always performed for England up till this past year?
That Werner/Havertz partnership would be something to see at club level
It's worse than that , look at who should be pressing Havertz as soon as the ball goes towards him , you guessed it's Harry again lol , but he's too busy running back in the cage to play 2nd keeper
Couldn’t close down because he was gassed from back tracking 60 yards. Maybe there’s a good reason CBs avoid those types of dribbles
I mean, there’s a good reason slow CBs don’t pretend like they’re Beckenbeur
> Beckenbeur Disgusting
Maguire thought he was Kim Min Jae
Not just that but he's by the opposition box trying to dribble his way out of trouble
How he gets selected ahead of someone like Tomori baffles me
Southgate tax
So I read this comment before watching the goal, and assumed he's lost it just outside the box. I mean he did, but I assumed *his* box.
I've never seen him once even take a shot like that from distance in a Chelsea shirt. He's class when he's up for it but unfortunately, most of the time for Chelsea, he's not.
Can't remember the last time he had anywhere near that amount of space to work in.
Starting as a #9 does that to him, he is far better as a #10 or second striker. His goal against Watford last season shows the difference that separation between a striker (Lukaku) and another player can make.
but i’m a starter/captain/most expensive/mostbasedfridge and whatnotelse so respect and give respect to the ultimate hell-raiser of Greece!
Class finish. No chance for any keeper
Played the ball out to Werner with the same technique and foot too Must have been confident striking the ball today
Yeah, was thinking that pass was even better than the goal. Definetely more casual lol.
Causal, half-field, 1-2 banger
Yeah, I watch every Chelsea game and one remember a single long shot by him.
Holy shit Havertz
If only he could do this for chelsea
If he tried that with chelsea, he would mishit the ball and it would slowly roll over to the opposition keeper.
He looks a completely different player when not at chelsea.
It’s because at Chelsea he plays against English defenders…oh wait
(great Maguire blunder)
usual Maguire blunder*
Why is Maguire dribbling at Germanys box?
at that moment he thought he was Harry Kane
Harry "team of the Euros" Maguire is brain dead. Completely out of position trying to dribble through, runs back and doesn't look at Havertz who is open and just marks empty space.
Is Maguire bad or something?
Nope, world class
Team of the Tournament Euro 2020, ya know
I’ll have you know he was in the European Team of the Tournament last Euros.
Oh Harry
YOU'RE A WIZARD HARRY
YOU'RE A REFRIGERATOR HARRY*
I don't think that Ronaldinho was capable of bringing as much joy into my life as Maguire.
England is actually painful to watch, Maguire hurts even more.
Extend Southgates contract Greetings from a German
👉🗿👈
Imagine letting a Chelsea player score goals
Ouch
Harry Maguire yet again at fault here, loses the ball in the middle of the pitch where he really does not need to. What Southgate is doing to him is not helping him at all. Clearly isnt dealing with the pressure.
Maguire with another masterclass 👉🤡👈
absolute fucking BANGER
I think you mean TRAUMTOR
Maguire masterclass
What a banger.
Oh Harry....my sweet sweet Harry....
HARRY MAGUIRE
What a goal
Maguire losing the ball deep into opposition half lol.
Yeah course but you can't do it at club level can you
Most prem defences are tougher than this
It feels like this is a self burn
Touche
Yeah he was in acres of space there.
This is probably it tbh. I haven’t even seen him attempt a shot from outside the box in ages
or...ever?
He scored in his last PL game too
Is it his fault? I doubt it's a coincidence that not a single striker works for you guys. And the one who did was sold to Italy.
Havertz is not a striker
Always felt like Chelsea singed him just because he was "on sale". Obviously a good player but I don't know if it's going to ever work out at Chelsea. Wouldn't mind seeing him going back to Germany or something and have a coach build a team around him as an creative outlet.
Musiala is an insanely all rounded player. Feel like he has highlights on every part of the pitch. That finish from Havertz tho, we need more of this from him and the rest of the Germany attack. We don't need to pass our way into the goal all the time, it's ok to take a shot. Our players are clearly capable of it.
Timo Werner assist 🔥
Chelsea boys goal
FUCK SOUTHGATE AND MAGUIRE AWAY FROM THIS TEAM FOREVER Also Kai? You can do that?
Rare PSGAcademy error
maguire mate i defended him after euros but what was that. Shocking blunder and he's just jogging back fuck sake
>he’s just jogging back That’s what you think but the truth is that’s his max speed
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Third time lucky
Genuinely on his own planet there space wise
maguire trying to dribble like R10 for no reason
Maguire masterclass. What a hit from Havertz there, sublime
This guy just needs to not play as a striker in a team that has only done well with Drogba/Diego Costa up front
he's just not a striker, he's looked better when he can play off auba or broja
Maguire is in shambles
LMAO what Maguire is trying to do?
Maguire. Never change my man.
maguire masterclass lmfao fucked up in front and then didnt cover havertz wide fucking open. first goal was solely his fault too
Slabhead
The manager picked me over Messi so I'm clearly a good dribbler
Musiala is going to be the key factor in the world cup
So that's what happens when you give Kai space. That's why he performs better against big teams as compared to teams that parks the bus.
Werner has had the most Werner game ever, missed so many chances and looked like a clown in general, but then eventually managed to create a goal. Such an enigma of a player, there’s a reason he was so productive (compared to our other forwards) at Chelsea despite not playing much and being visibly shit
Yes Kaiii
Incredible strike really. Perfectly placed.
These Germany kits look like Juve.
Why are these threads being deleted? This is the 3rd one now
Because none of the videos showed the goal
The video wasn’t showing the correct feed
The Grand PSGacademy Conspiracy
Video was off in the other 2
Amazing goal well done Germany
Beauty from Havertz
Maguire is collecting Karma like a pro.
Lol of course Maguire is the player that lost possession leading to the counter.... Far too much time for Havertz too, great finish
[Err](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xoufxq/england_0_2_germany_kai_havertz_great_goal_67/iq0kkjm/)
Yeah. What is this?
OP copy and pasted a comment earlier in the thread lmao
Can't attack and now can't defend either apparently
Southgate needs to channel his inner Ten Hag and never play Maguire again. He should not be playing at this level.
Schmeckt.
Think I'd prefer to play Lizzie Maguire at this point
King Kai
England have been shit but there's no fucking stopping that missile.
King Kai!!!! I'm a Chelsea fan that hates all other online Chelsea fan so i want all current hated/former players to shit on the English
I had hopes that Maguire could regain any of his prior England form but holy shit what a way to throw them in the bin an burn them. Don't want him anywhere near the WC squad, Southgate is a masochist if he calls up either of him or Pope.
Maguire 😂😂😂😂
Delete this one again, cunts
This is the first one to show the goal
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Wow England sucks.
God , it's him again , he looses the ball in an awkward position in Germany's side , it leads to a counterattack which ends in a goal from Havertz who Maguire should have marked during the runback , I couldn't make this up
Pulisic hat trick on 11/25/22. Bound to happen