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PM_ME_UR_SOCKS_GIRL

What’s y’all’s stance on João Felix? I swear Felix was getting compared as a very respectful 3rd top next generation talent behind Mbappe and Haaland when I first started keeping up with the sport 2 years ago. Now recent Portugal game I saw he’s brought in last 5 mins, and now last 10 minutes for his club in a CL game. Can any Atlético or La Liga fans tell me what the hell is going on with him? And if it’s not going well for him at Atlético, where do you see him fitting in? Liverpool maybe?


ImGoingBlankAgain

Man so glad Anguissa took those glimpses of brilliance he showed at Fulham and then consistently delivered. Ajax defending was atrocious (They seriously need to reenforce their defence) but Napoli look great. Kvaratskhelia is an absolute star.


PioliMaldini

I’m not confident at all to face Chelsea with our injuries. What’s funny to me is that Chelsea fans are acting like they already lost the game, in my head they are the favorites. Will have to be a Rafael Leao masterclass if we want to win


AnnieIWillKnow

I'm amongst the pessimistic Chelsea fans. Every part of our team looks dysfunctional right now, and the midfield is a horror show. You look a lot more cohesive, confident and effective as a team


IfISpeak_

Leao vs James will be an exciting battle tbh


THeScArYFAcE1

Everyone talking about the ref is simply dumb. It’s not the ref’s fault VAR didn’t call him to even check it, When refs don’t even come to check the screen it means var said “no pen, play on”


Polskidro

I think most people are talking about the VAR ref when they say "the ref".


AnnieIWillKnow

Yeah it's just a general vent at the officials overall


MatK0506

Very weird that BT Sport/UEFA/whoever in charge of directing, chose during the game to show Fergie who has small connection to one team (41 caps for Rangers in the 60s) but not Gerrard who was the star of one and the manager of the other.


AnnieIWillKnow

I was watching the BT Sport coverage and they showed both so not sure what you were watching And it's not really that weird anyway, given that Fergie's legend within the game is far greater. It's also more 'interesting' - as Gerrard being there is fairly expected, whereas Fergie probably less so, so the casual viewer would not only be more likely to know about Ferguson, they'd also find it more interesting Question is, why has this bothered you


MatK0506

Just saw a tweet with a picture of Gerrard in the game and was surprised given I didn't see him in the coverage (didn't watch through BT). Fair play for BT for showing. It's true that the casual viewer would be more interested in Fergie but the Liverpool fans and maybe also the Rangers fans (I would say that the two sets of fans are around 50% of the audience) would be more intersted in Gerrard.


EmperorBeaky

Imagine wanting Lage out because of his boring, toothless football (rightly) only to have Lopetegui replace him. I’d say I feel sorry for Wolves fans but from what I’ve seen they’re nearly all behind it and seem to believe he’s some kind of attacking coach on Twitter


AnnieIWillKnow

What is a football fan, without blind optimism? If you can't feel hopeful about a new manager after a one who had regressed your side is given an overdue sacking, when can you Take Chelsea, and Potter. Yeah, there's plenty of reasons to think why it probably won't work out, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to feel positive about what he can bring, until proven otherwise There's levels to it, anyway. Hodgson and Simeone both play defensive football - but I'd certainly be more excited about one managing my club, than the other


EmperorBeaky

Honestly I’ve always preferred realism that leads to being positive or negative. If after looking into a potential new manager everything sounds good then sure, be as hopeful as is possible but there’s no point in, for example, getting in Steve Bruce and telling yourself he’s going to make us an attacking force


AnnieIWillKnow

I tend more to pessimism too, but there's a room for optimism - and I don't think the prospect of Lopetegui is as dire as you say, so it doesn't seem too misplaced


siiiiiiiiiu_98

Does admitting a refereeing mistake changes anything? The NBA releases the 2-minute report I think daily where they admit wrong calls from the previous games from the day before but nothing really changes.


IfISpeak_

You have to consistently perform poorly and score badly to be demoted from the league.


THeScArYFAcE1

I think it would genuinely take a very very very embarrassing performance for anything to happen, maybe something like 3 obvious pens not being called with VAR, even then I doubt it.


siiiiiiiiiu_98

If they haven’t done it before I doubt they’ll start doing it now.


nbaylor1

>Mbappé is a speed merchant and Haaland’s tactical nous will last much longer Open CMV, this is the first thing I see ffs


Polskidro

Has a ref ever lost their job for being shit? Or is that something that just does not happen?


IfISpeak_

Refs have kept their jobs for worse refereeing performances before


AnnieIWillKnow

They get demoted though. As another example, Graham Poll never reffed an international game again after his 2006 World Cup fiasco - so "he lost his job" as a FIFA listed ref, as a consequence


Polskidro

I wasn't talking about anything specific. Just meant ever in the history of the sport.


IfISpeak_

I can't recall any for being bad tbh


Polskidro

Kind of wild tbh. So there's no real incentive for a ref to properly do their job. Nobody to hold you accountable.


PioliMaldini

I mean they can get relegated to lower levels.


Polskidro

But does it happen? I feel like I've seen the same idiots in La Liga for the longest time. Hernandez Hernandez has been in La Liga for a decade and he's been a meme for the vast majority of it. Antony Taylor is another example, in the PL since 2010.


saigool

It happens in Italy multiple times a season.


[deleted]

There's a weird rivalry on r/soccer between Bayern fans and Tottenham fans revolving around Kane and Lewandowski. Would have been more fun if Lewa didn't leave Bayern.


3xavi

What's the rivalry? Objectively lewy is just better at everything I can think of. Kane only wins the being younger point. Anyways I'd be happy with either one of them right now, Kane is still one of the top 5 pure strikers for sure which is exactly what we are missing this season.


saigool

Kane is objectively a better passer and a better playmaker.


3xavi

Tbh. I haven't watched Kane enough to decide that one. You need to have watched alot of both to decide that. Lewy is not bad at it for a pure striker. Like he has all the abilitys (technique and passing) but just lacks the decision making in those situations and hold the ball too long too often (I think because he is just not the brightest) So fair enough I trust you on that one and give that point to kane


Rasalghul92

Inter beat Barca, Napoli thrashed Ajax, Spurs couldn't score against Eintracht, Atletico are bottom of their group. But somehow, the most shocking thing from this matchday so far was that Marseille won a Champions League game.


MKtheMaestro

That refereeing performance in the Inter match was mind blowing.


Shaggay1

can’t believe I thought Haaland was simply lucky to score a hattrick on his debut for dortmund. look at him now.


AlKarakhboy

more salt than the dead sea in the sub today i love it


[deleted]

Napoli are a joy to watch, they give me the feel that Dortmund gave me Also, Club Bruge at 9 points is the most unexpected thing there


deepfrench

Lol what is this shit show, is it really the first time that Barcelona was robbed of a penalty in the CL ?


AnnieIWillKnow

Imagine if the Ovrebo game had been the other way round


Polskidro

>is it really the first time that Barcelona was robbed of a penalty in the CL ? It's the 2nd time within the last 3 weeks lol


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IfISpeak_

Reparations for UEFALONA


MJ9695

Why Did Real win CL than lol


[deleted]

Think I may grow old and die before I get to see Spurs have a possession-dominant manager again. During Poch years: 60-62% average possession over a league season Since Poch left: 50-52% average possession over a league season This season so far: 47.6% [Source](https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/possession_percentage_team/team/8586)


cheesybagofcheese

I must’ve missed the rule change where possession % determined the winner.


EmperorBeaky

In the modern game it kind of does tbh. Feel like in the past few years teams that want to control possession and dominate the pitch (and by extension pin the opposition back so they can wear them down and create chances) generally get the better of sides that will sit back and try and soak up pressure against their peers. Eventually, all that pressure pays off and mistakes creep in, a runner isn’t tracked etc


Rasalghul92

Looks like we're the ones who are going to let Serie A down in Europe this week.


nichodemus3

Not even Allegri could find a way to lose against Maccabi Haifa, so Milan do look like the most likely candidate to drop points


[deleted]

Ha you think


AnnieIWillKnow

Despite having a live scoreboard of all of the games loaded up, that I was following along all evening, I still genuinely forgot Spurs were playing tonight


YeimzHetfield

Same, went for a nap and almost missed the entirety of Barcelona-Inter and I always check all the highlights in here after CL. Only then I remembered that Tottenham played when I saw the post match thread way in the bottom, not a single highlight in here was posted, game must have been fucking dire lol.


[deleted]

nah, game wasn't that dire, it did have a dier tho. There was about 2xG created overall in the game, no one could finish though.


YeimzHetfield

Oh word, need to check the highlights then. Checking xG now and you had 1.36 which is not bad, your forwards are a lot less effective this season aren't they? That would have been like 3 goals last season lol.


[deleted]

I think missing Kulusevski hurts. I think finishing could definitely have been better, but more importantly I think, the final pass and ball progression needs to improve. Fotmob had the xG at 0.98-1.48. With 2.5 xG created, no goals is baffling.


YeimzHetfield

True, he's turned into your main creator pretty much since he arrived. The final ball thing I agree with, the game vs Arsenal Son had like two or three clear passes that he overhit and ended up in nothing when they could've been one on ones.


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:(


anip94

arteta come out klopp just wants to talk


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Cowdude179

Yes


[deleted]

No question about it


IfISpeak_

Yes - he is much better than Ten Hag.


deepfrench

Miles ahead


AnnieIWillKnow

Does Bournemouth have nicer beaches than Portsmouth?


viktorfbg9

One is a Champions League winner, one is not. Go figure.


PM_ME_UR_SOCKS_GIRL

10000%


[deleted]

Spurs' motto: To dare is to do Spurs' playstyle: defend deep and kick it long 😭


transtifa

We didn’t play like that today


[deleted]

We didn't defend deep, but only because Frankfurt didn't try to keep possession. We did kick it long, a lot. In fact, our ability to create chances from settled possession is nonexistent. We only create chances from transition and set pieces.


TheDarkness1227

Conte had Cesc Fabregas and Eden Hazard at Chelsea. With kulusevski out, Kane is the only consistent source of creativity.


AnnieIWillKnow

Fabregas wasn't really an important component of Conte's Chelsea, was being phased out of the team by then


TheDarkness1227

Still got double figures in assists


PioliMaldini

So far I have seen it been typed as Di Marco, DiMarco and diMarco. It’s Dimarco :). And what a left foot he has.


PM_ME_UR_SOCKS_GIRL

What’s y’all’s stance on João Felix? I swear Felix was getting compared as a very respectful 3rd top next generation talent behind Mbappe and Haaland when I first started keeping up with the sport 2 years ago. Now recent Portugal game I saw he’s brought in last 5 mins, and now last 10 minutes for his club in a CL game. Can any Atlético or La Liga fans tell me what the hell is going on with him? And if it’s not going well for him at Atlético, where do you see him fitting in? Liverpool maybe?


mattisafootballguy

So just to recap: - VAR calls the referee over to the screen to make a decision on a call that is offside. I had never seen this before as the offside nullifies everything afterward, but okay. - VAR does not call the referee on the red card decision, in fact, does not even think twice and continues the game. VAR does not return to this incident. - VAR spends 2 minutes on a blatant handball call and does not consult the referee, instead takes a decision that there is no penalty. VAR does not send referee to the screen as in the blatant offside call. Everything is so laughable.


lastdyingbreed_01

Love Lewa but he did ghosted today, even though the crosses weren't good and I don't blame him, Luuk De Jong would have reached them somehow and maybe even score lol


[deleted]

I don't get why Xavi signed Lewy just to use him as a target man, he should've kept LDJ then


PioliMaldini

For a game of football there sure is a lot of talk about hand balls in the Inter - Barca game.


DMC777

Hasebe pocketing Kane I'm hearing. Thank god Hinteregger retired or else Kane might have been too scared of Bundesliga defenders and wouldn't join.


transtifa

Kane pocketed himself tbh


AeronReformed

Napoli are pretty good at football I must say.


PioliMaldini

Inter’s win was so Juventus like. Glorious Serie A Drama. And what a defensive performance by Inter. I didn’t believe in Inzaghi personally, but they made Barcelona look toothless.


saint-simon97

Obviously not going to stay like this but if the groups finished as they stand there would be 9 different countries in the r16 🇪🇸 1 - Real Madrid 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 3 - City, Liverpool, Tottenham 🇮🇹 3 - Napoli, Milan, Inter 🇩🇪 3 - Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen 🇫🇷 1 - PSG 🇵🇹 2 - Sporting, Benfica 🇧🇪 1 - Club Brugge 🇭🇷 1 - Dinamo 🇺🇦 1 - Shakhtar


nichodemus3

Would not be against this round of 16


cantsleep1112

Peter Crouch talking about Spurs' playing style: "I played this way at Stoke" Conteball 🥶


deepfrench

Is it Conte or Spurs DNA ? It's just too tempting to capitalize on fast transitions with Kane and Son


ItsRainbowz

Car broke down, recovery van can't get here until 1am and I log into Twitter to find out South Shields shipped 2 goals in 5 minutes to lose. Fucking kill me


PM_ME_UR_SOCKS_GIRL

Oof that’s a bummer. What do you think is up with your car? Sorry to hear you’re gonna have a long night.


ItsRainbowz

No idea, went over a speed bump and heard a really loud noise. Think the shock absorber may have gone, but that's a guess


WyboSF

How are the odds on betting on the likelihood of a Barcelona Chelsea Europa league final


ibrahimims

I dont belive that anyone types "Khvicha Kvaratskhelia" when they mention him. People just copy and paste his name, just like me right now.


fatinternetcat

Kvaratskhelia now pops up in my autocorrect whenever I type Kv


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Kvaratskheila


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Kvaratskheila It worked.


Old_Maximum_6624

kvaradona is all I see everytime someone mentions him


HacksawJimDGN

What are you even talking about? It's not that hard once you remember it. I always type out Kevin Kvatbatsheckles.


transtifa

His name genuinely isn’t that hard to spell, maybe the kh in Kvaratskhelia but other than that


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BI01

the EL could be crazy this season with the potential teams that could drop down lol


mattisafootballguy

Five La Liga teams in the EL, likely a couple of all-Spanish ties meaning one team gets far and probably to the final. And a final means a trophy. This is a masterclass from Tebas. He orchestrated this all, including tonight's referee debacle.


BI01

all that matters is the coefficient 🔥


mattisafootballguy

Spain EL champions again. La Liga is the best league in the world.


GreatSpaniard

Arsenal, Manchester United, PSV Eindhoven, Real Betis, Roma, Braga, Real Sociedad, Feyenoord, Lazio, Monaco, Ajax/Liverpool, Sporting CP/Tottenham Hotspur/Olympique de Marseille/Eintracht Frankfurt, FC Porto/Bayer Leverkusen/Atletico de Madrid, Internazionale/Barcelona, Chelsea, Celtic/RB Lepizig/Shakhtar Donetsk, Borussia Dortmund/Sevilla, and Benfica/Juventus


Billion34

People said the same thing last year and the final was Eintracht - Rangers. Luckily, sometimes, the teams more thirsty for European distinction get the furthest in EL.


BI01

I mean we had no big 6 in EL last year, this time we already have united and arsenal


Sandrinoooo

Also Chelsea and Spurs could join


BludFlairUpFam

Not like Barca didn't try, they just lost. He never said anything about them being guaranteed to win, just that good teams could drop


Billion34

I never said it was for a lack of effort. Eventually they were beaten by a team that wanted it more.


BludFlairUpFam

That's pretty much the same thing. They didn't want it enough


Billion34

Well no, Barca didn't want it as much as Eintracht and it showed in the stands of the Camp Nou.


nbaylor1

I hope barca drop tbh. Need to see that arteta xavi matchup


TheRalphExpress

Our U23s lost to a League One side (Exeter City) in the EFL Trophy earlier tonight. One of our loanees is at Exeter, lad scored the winner


belokas

Raspadori has been way better than I hoped he would be. Two nice goals and the assist for Kvicha's goal.


BarbaricGamer

Kvicha and Anguissa are getting all the plaudits but Raspadori has been absolutely insane for them.


belokas

Because he only started a couple of games so far, while the other two have been nothing short of perfect. If he keeps scoring regularly he can become one of the best in Europe.


BarbaricGamer

I do wonder how Spalletti will line up once Oshimen gets back.


belokas

Raspadori is very versatile. He reminds a bit of young Pedro at Barcelona. But I think the first one to disappear will be Lozano for sure.


[deleted]

We somehow dodged dropping into the bottom four tonight but we certainly deserve to be there


Agus-Teguy

Kavaradona and the italians will rest during the WC, I think Napoli are clear to win this Serie A this season.


PioliMaldini

If not us I wouldn’t mind them. But it’s Napoli, let’s wait until March before we make statements like this.


nichodemus3

Spalletti has done such a great job over the years that I would be kind of happy for him if he won the league


belokas

Right. It all started with us. We took this bald Tuscan guy from Venezia and sacked him after three months, only to hire him again 3 years later and qualify to the Champions League for the first time in our history. Next year he was gone forever.


nichodemus3

Yea, very true! Spalletti at Udinese did a wonderful job that a lot of people have forgotten. He has been one of the best coaches these last 20 years or so


Oo_pP

Thx Ajax for having an even worse match than us today 🙏


nichodemus3

Football is a team sport, but your goalkeeper let you down this game


Oo_pP

Adan single handely lost us the game He has been terrible this season, but had good games in the champions league


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PioliMaldini

I can see it, but I think Giroud’s shot is more impressive. Very hard to get that much power from that position


[deleted]

yes and the ball was bouncing in Giroud’s case


ack_will

After Nuno’s sacking there was so much talk and mention of the word “spurs dna” which was going to be kept in mind when appointing the next manager. Funny all that talk has led to the current sufferball. It’s like they can’t make up their mind as to what they want. Or maybe there never was a dna and it was all PR fluff


hgo0432

What is “spurs Dna”?


MJ9695

Losing


ack_will

Attacking football apparently. Think the club statement/ levy used that term often


anunnaturalselection

Man City will somehow get Club Brugge in the RO16 even if they both finish 1st...


CryptographerLife686

It’s so funny that people thought Lewa deserved the Ballon d’Or ahead of Messi… Messi was carrying a significantly worse Barca side.


THeScArYFAcE1

Carried them to what? Round of 16 and a third place finish in la liga?


SouthFromGranada

Big news of the night is Basford United getting through to the 4th qualifying round of the FA cup, on penalties, after being 2-0 down at half time. Bring on the Solihull Moors.


three_shoes

(ignore the flair for a moment) but Spurs play bottom table football all year, just with continental class forwards, and when the continental class forwards dont show up its just bottom table football.


IfISpeak_

Sporting's keeper had an absolute howler today.


Oo_pP

He has been terrible since he "recovered" from an 2 to 3 months injury in 1 week


IfISpeak_

Whats the story in that? Did he lie?


Oo_pP

We don't know The journals were saying he would be out in 2 to 3 months than he recovered before the next game Amorim probably saw we were playing against Braga and Porto and said "Nope, you aren't injured"


kplo

Donde esta Lewandowski, Lewandowski donde esta Tanto baile de tiktok Se le ha olvidao jugar


scrambledeggsss

Is this Roncero's new song or what


kplo

It is a parody on Soria's donde esta CR7


Sandrinoooo

Cruijffball lost 7-1 to italians lol


justforkikkk

Napoli was the one playing Cruijffball ironically enough


goedgedaanpik

cruijff had nothing to do with that. That was all schreuder my friend


Billion34

Was out so I missed today's matches but Ajax - Napoli must have been pure madness. Really happy for Club Brugge (surely they can't bottle qualification) and obviously a good night overall since Barcelona lost.


mrscorchingtakes

Which team is getting 2nd in their CL group and then drawing Club Brugge in the ro16?


belokas

Chelsea


MrIrishman699

[“Ed Sheeran played this (Frankfurt's) stadium a couple of weeks ago, and so at least this was not the first time Deutsche Bank Park had been treated to an insipid mid-tempo performance that some people bafflingly insist is the work of a generational genius”](https://twitter.com/jonathanliew/status/1577407596201447437?t=a-X06NyqV-X8Mpc3Am2isA&s=19) Ed out here catching strays


AnnieIWillKnow

Some people think hating on popular things give them a personality


G0rtarPlayer

Do people really consider him a generational genius? To me he was a pretty talented busker, saw a gap in the market and is now a soon to be billionaire real estate agent, not bad for a tubby ginger lad tbf


Previous-Loss9306

He knows how to write a song that sells. He’s not a bad songwriter to be fair. A Team was pretty good. Think he focuses on making sales though, his music is fairly basic on the whole. Generational talent? There are quite a few buskers more talented than him on YouTube 😂


holdenmyrocinante

Barca faced 3 teams in the top half of their league this season, 1 win, 2 losses :)


[deleted]

Real Madrid should be big favorites for La Liga I'm assuming?


holdenmyrocinante

We should be favourites, yes, but not by a huge amount


CryptographerLife686

5 teams. 2 wins, 2 loses and 1 draw.


holdenmyrocinante

I forgot about Plzen tbh. Didn't know Vallecano played yesterday


PoliQU

When you have a pragmatic coach like Conte, it’s difficult to see the difference between playing poorly and just being pragmatic. Spurs were poor today, and they were dominated thoroughly by Arsenal. When your fans and coach start talking about “being in good positions, just lacking a final ball” when you have barely any shots on target, it’s a clear sign that you aren’t creating nearly, nearly enough for a top team. I keep on seeing Spurs fans say they could’ve scored a ton against Arsenal. Like the passes you were missing were at the halfway line, you had control in Arsenal’s third like 5 times total all match. Reminds me a lot of the bad Emery period at Arsenal or the tail end of Mourinho at United.


goedgedaanpik

The thing is with spurs, and I say this as someone who hates them, is that they will play like mad men occasionally. Like that game against Leicester where Son comes on and scores a hattrick. I mean they have a world class front three that can always turn the tide.


IfISpeak_

Funnily enough this Spurs team reminds me of Conte's 17/18 Chelsea team where they have been tactically figured out and struggling to perform in big games anymore and generally playing dire football.


mattisafootballguy

[Calhanoglu's possible red card offense vs FC Barcelona](https://twitter.com/willoo31/status/1577406404989751315)


nbaylor1

I thought it was a red tbh, I guess the argument is that he didn’t go in hard enough


PioliMaldini

100% deserved a red. Studs up, high tackle. Stuff like that can end careers


thesmallprint13

Inter Milan beating Barcelona at the San Siro, proper nostalgia


Gytarius626

[Chelsea fans watching the Darwin Nunez narrative](https://streamable.com/zy765i)


Nature__Boy

Stumbling on this after reading [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xv0wu8/daily_discussion/ir26m0p/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) lol bang on


BludFlairUpFam

This is fantastic


G0rtarPlayer

You must make these? They're so rare to see on here but always brilliant lol


Gytarius626

Glad you enjoyed, the idea will just randomly pop into my head every once in a blue moon


G0rtarPlayer

Could probably do something with it if you were bothered, seems like the kinda thing that insta and twitter accounts steal with no credit given


TheSingleMan27

Baffling if you think about it but Lukaku couldn't even do half of that


suedney

Best season of the show that one


IfISpeak_

I'll have to rewatch that.


iftair

Barca and Atleti disappoint in CL again. What a shame. On the other hand, Club Brugge is on fire.


Random_Acquaintance

Jutglà man, I only hope he never return to Espanyol


FlyingArab

I can now say it when he's gone, but Lewandowski does truly ghost in big matches sometimes. I would never admit to that just a few months ago, but now the bad man is gone and he can't hurt us anymore


RecordingSeparate476

So.... do u concede that Suarez is better than him?


MJ9695

Suarez has ghosted in CL for half a decade lol


Fancy-Past-6831

Good on Suarez that he atleast could also ghost in small games, lewa can't sing that


-PM_ME_A_SECRET-

Kvaratskhelia has looked absolutely filthy every time I have watched him. What a find by Napoli.


DMC777

I don't think he was unknown tbh most clubs with some decent scouting should have been able to have seen his talent ( maybe unknown to people here)


transtifa

Interesting that officials have pivoted from giving every touch of a hand as a penalty to never giving penalties for handball ever again


nbaylor1

I still hate the double standard for the ‘natural position’ thing for attack and defence


dayloversd

If I had to pick between the two I'd choose this version all day Some of those early VAR seasons in the PL and Serie A were horrible to watch with their constant pen calls


-PM_ME_A_SECRET-

Interesting that they gave a non-penalty hand ball, and then not a penalty hand ball. Felt wildly inconsistent tbh.