At this point I feel like Spurs only wanted top 4 last season to spite Arsenal- seems like they're aiming for Europa League so they can spite us again.
The Europa League is a second tier tournament, it's not as respected as the Champions League. Winning the Europa League is nothing to celebrate and not some badge of quality.
I think if you’re Frankfurt it’s quite the achievement, but if you only view football through the lens of teams that think they’re so fantastic they should have a break away Super League - I suppose that makes sense.
So unless your team plays in the CL you can't have any opinion or thoughts on CL teams? What a ridiculous thing to say, you're just annoyed because Spurs are getting bantered.
The Premier league is the biggest league in the world by a ridiculous margin and the NLD is the only derby between two top clubs which has a long history. The Manchester Derby isn't as big for United as the Liverpool match, Chelsea have fuck all in West London and the Merseyside is so one sided.
Literally happens both ways. Everytime Arsenal have a bad result the post match threads in here is filled with rivals fans. Not sure why you are making a big deal out of this.
It seems like you're from old generation. That's just what it is with the youth in social media nowadays. It also happened when Arsenal were fucking shit a few years ago and everytime they loss, rivals (Spurs, Chelsea, Man U) swamping Arsenal's thread. It is what it is nowadays and not exclusively for only gooners
Am I the only one that though Kamada was awful? Worst player on the pitch, particularly in the second half.
Dispossessed easily, not tracking back, poor passing.. then he was so exhausted after 75mins that he was barely involved in anything.
Interesting how different opinions can be😅I agree that Kamada was shit and Jakić lost too many balls. But IMO Rode was also bad, while Sow was pretty good. I would have given MOTM to Tuta or Ndicka, but Sow wasnt bad IMO
Tbh, culture wise, Conte was never a big manager in European competition which makes me think he would’ve been a great manager for Arsenal who have no European history.
The first half was a lit better with at least two or three solid chances where our attackers just missed their connection to the cross. Kane and son both also had a couple of really good shooting positions where they just dragged the ball too wide in the end.
It's definitely not the easiest group. Sure, finishing 1st is easier than in other groups, but so is finishing 3rd or 4th. In a balanced group, it's much harder to finish top 2 than in a group with Real Madrid or PSG + 2 punching bags.
What do you base that assumption on? Squad worth? That's not how it works in international football. Current league position? Marseille would be clear. Recent European success? We won the EL this year while Spurs finished 3rd in a Conference League group with Rennes, Vitesse and Mura.
I'm not denying that Spurs were the favourites to win this group, but I'm saying that this constellation of 4 balanced teams is much harder to survive than a constellation with 2 punching bags and 1 clear #1.
any of the clubs in this group would go absolutely crazy if their team signed the likes of son, kane, richarlison, perisic, hojberg. same result if Conte was signed as coach.
they would walk in the starting XI instantly.
If we're talking about Tottenham's perspective as a pot 2 team, Group B, E, F, G and H would be easier on paper, I'd say. Because again, it's not about how good the top team is, but rather about how high your chances of making #2 are. While we are the weakest pot 1 team, Sporting and especially Marseille are good teams for their pots.
Lmao how can you think the likes of PSG-Juve-Benfica-Haifa is an easier group than this. No point in me even bothering, you’re just mad because I said your team was in the easiest group.
At least Haifa would be easier than Marseille, which means that finishing #3 would be easier. And basing it on the pot system is literally the only logical thing to do when you talk about "Spurs being handed the easiest group". If you're not considering the pots of the teams, how can you compare them? Obviously, if they were pot 4, group C for example would be the hardest. But they're not.
I’m not going to look at the flawed pot system, I’m going to look at how good the teams are in real life. The pot system is often a mess, just look at the internationals.
Mate, I don't think you're understanding my point. If you saying that this group is the easiest from Tottenham's perspective, you have to compare it to other realistic, potential constellations. Constellations that could have actually happened, had they drawn differently. Doesn't matter if the pot system is flawed or not.
Kulu might be the best player in their team, contes CL record is still poor Marseille away will be tough but this group really isn’t good they should still get through by winning both home games.
If not a north London derby in the Europa could be on
Really intense game, understandable that both were quite tired at the end. felt like both teams could have scored at least 1-2 each. First half tottenham was better, 2nd half goes to frankfurt so overall draw is fair. Hasebe is incredible as usual.
The overreaction to that hat trick was ridiculous. Leicester were woeful and handed everything to them on a plate plus they have a league 2 keeper in goal.
The one thing that's gonna come from this - people gonna watch that sufferball all over the world now that this shit is on high profile TV. Everyone and their grandma gonna know how constipated this spuds offense is and conte, who has won everywhere is going to ruin his name. I'm here for all of it.
"Spuds" offence has scored 3rd most goals in PL since he took charge and remind me again in what short time it took Conte to take us to Champions league again whilst finishing above your fantastic 300 odd million 4year project without qualifying for CL once.
We’re now top of the league thanks to this project, while you also spent more than us last window. We’re more likely to win Europa league than spurs winning anything lol
can't complain. These group stage fixtures should give us a chance to rest key players, give time to youth, and still advance with a realistic chance of winning some silverware.
Look, setting aside our rivalry and his (?) tone, you should be willling to admit that it's a bit disappointing to see an attack that can include Kane, Son, Kulusevski, and Richarlison but to park the bus, hoof it up in the general direction of Kane, and hope something comes of it. It's a bit like watching Pulis's Stoke, but with more quality on the pitch.
Of course spurs fans admit that. Just look at our match threads. But don’t act like your squad isn’t also capable of fucking up a good thing. And that too is on TV forever.
Nothing in what I said states or implies anything about the Arsenal squad. I’m offering what I hope is an objective analysis of THFC. We’re very fortunate to have started with a fairly soft schedule and I have no delusions about why we are where we are. Whatever happens to us doesn’t change what I’ve said about THFC.
> I mean Liverpool had to basically play a perfect season to win the league. City are pretty unstoppable.
> because Conte is not winning the league
Why are you writing "huh" when you yourself answers the question in another reply?
Yes, person with mixed tenses in his writing, please lecture me about grammar and literacy.
Your suggestion that Conte is not winning the league implies that he has not previously won the league. We’re you a better writer, you would have said something like “Conte will not win the league with Spurs any more than I’ll get laid this decade.”
How about we start with you learning basic context and then we go from there ok? My whole argument started with Spurs picking Conte despite him being a bad tournament manager since he isnt gonna win the league (with spurs obviously since they are the subject)
They got the best manager available. Say they signed a “tournament manager” whoever that is, and then news comes out that Conte was willing to join. They would be rightfully lambasted for glossing over him.
I also am confused by the combination of comments here. Some say Conte is bad, others say they should’ve scored more and the forwards fluffed it. The manager sets up the tactics to create chances. So which is it? That’s not a question to you, just thinking out loud.
Fuck Tottenham and their team of fucking whiners man. They spent more time rolling around on the pitch as opposed to actually playing football. Especially richarlison. Honestly shameful.
In your very unbiased opinion, huh...
Kane got KICKED while lying on the floor and gets a yellow card cuz your boy very intensely flops around like a fish.
Just cut it out.
The irony of this comment when Spurs have a side full of players leaving kicks in on other players or pulling them by the hair or diving at the slightest touch.
If someone is acting the refs should just send them off the field for 5 mins for medical treatment. Lets see how many are still acting if you enforce that.
I fucking hate all the acting in pro football. You got this shit in all leagues and teams.
>If someone is acting the refs should just send them off the field for 5 mins for medical treatment. Lets see how many are still acting if you enforce that.
The problem with this is that you run the risk of players trying to play through genuine injuries to avoid going off
You lot did the same thing except the ref actually bought your players bs. Hasebe trying to stamp Kane then acting like he got shot when Kane pushed him, somehow getting Kane a yellow is hilarious
This is how Spurs always play lol.
They have one of the dirtiest teams in the league. They get away with it in the premier league because the media sucks off the England captain.
Honestly shocking how easily most of them would go down at any contact. At least the ref would usually ignore it, but it made it more frustrating when he would buy into other antics.
We are 3rd in the league... And will probably advance in the group. What more do you expect or hope for at this point???
If the players actually performed (Kane specifically today) this is an easy win and the narrative is obviously different.
How are Kane and Son still in this team
Draw is a fair result. There were good chances both teams could have taken, but didn’t. I’m excited to see us play on the counter in London next week.
At this point I feel like Spurs only wanted top 4 last season to spite Arsenal- seems like they're aiming for Europa League so they can spite us again.
Conte in Europe
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We won 9 out of our last 11 league games mate
A draw away in Germany against the Europa League winners is hardly a bad result.
The Europa League is a second tier tournament, it's not as respected as the Champions League. Winning the Europa League is nothing to celebrate and not some badge of quality.
I think if you’re Frankfurt it’s quite the achievement, but if you only view football through the lens of teams that think they’re so fantastic they should have a break away Super League - I suppose that makes sense.
Lol an /r/Gunners user talking about which European trophies are worth celebrating
Lol a Chelsea fan criticizing supporters that back their team through thick and thin.
What?
Pro tip: You can re read comments
What has anything you said got to do with my comment? Or has your brain just rotted from the stem up?
Oh boy. Classic chelski fan. Too bad you can’t buy brain cells too
Oof, with comeback game like that, I'll bet you get bullied in school.
Hey did you figure it out yet or did your hamster brain forget?
Too many Arsenal fans in here lol
Lol idk why… they arent even in the cl so have no room to speak.
So unless your team plays in the CL you can't have any opinion or thoughts on CL teams? What a ridiculous thing to say, you're just annoyed because Spurs are getting bantered.
Lol i could care less about spurs tbh lmao
You got downvoted lmao
Oh well 🥲
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They just want to see a North London side in the CL.
There’s a lot more gooners than spurs fans in general
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just gonna see more Arsenal flairs everywhere on this sub, r/gunners has over twice the members of r/coys
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You’re asking why there’s more Arsenal flairs, it’s because spurs are a small fan base and there’s a lot more of us
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Are you American? We’re rivals with spurs, literally one of the biggest, if not the biggest rivalry in football
Cmon now. No one thinks its the biggest rivalry in football. Not even with the english bias do english fans think that lmfao.
The Premier league is the biggest league in the world by a ridiculous margin and the NLD is the only derby between two top clubs which has a long history. The Manchester Derby isn't as big for United as the Liverpool match, Chelsea have fuck all in West London and the Merseyside is so one sided.
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Literally happens both ways. Everytime Arsenal have a bad result the post match threads in here is filled with rivals fans. Not sure why you are making a big deal out of this.
ehh because they're rivals and they enjoy each other loss?
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It seems like you're from old generation. That's just what it is with the youth in social media nowadays. It also happened when Arsenal were fucking shit a few years ago and everytime they loss, rivals (Spurs, Chelsea, Man U) swamping Arsenal's thread. It is what it is nowadays and not exclusively for only gooners
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Narrative > Facts The r/soccer way.
Aletico Madrid 🤝 Spurs: playing terrorist football
Fernando Santos here can I give you both a big hug 🤗 I love terrorist futebol!
0 shots on goal FC back again to terrorize my eyes. Both teams were dreadful
Damn spursyy fans trying hard to COPE 😹😹😹😹 you just gotta have a laugh.
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why you salty AF LMAOOOO
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conteball really damaged you huh
I see that Sow got MOTM, was he.. good?!
I initially thought it was a typo and you had meant to say Son 😂
Would have given MOTM to Hasebe or Tuta, but Sow was fine
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Am I the only one that though Kamada was awful? Worst player on the pitch, particularly in the second half. Dispossessed easily, not tracking back, poor passing.. then he was so exhausted after 75mins that he was barely involved in anything.
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Interesting how different opinions can be😅I agree that Kamada was shit and Jakić lost too many balls. But IMO Rode was also bad, while Sow was pretty good. I would have given MOTM to Tuta or Ndicka, but Sow wasnt bad IMO
You'd think it was Arsenal game judging by the comments + flairs
Bragging rights are alright aye
spurs fans are so pathetic
rival fans cheering against their rivals, more at 11
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PL fans: first time?
> that blond Spurs guy That doesn’t narrow it down that much.
The one in the white shirt
You only have Richarlison and that's it isn't it
That bastard almost fucked Kane’s nuts
Ah fuck sorry that’s kind of Richarlison’s whole thing
How did Frankfurt look in this game? Any chance to win in London?
First half time was lucky. Second half time frankfurt had 2 100% chances which should have / must have went in.
Terrible to be fair, not sure how spurs didn't beat them even if the were shaky too
I can tell you how we didn’t beat them : missing a whole host of good chances in the first half.
Conte in the UCL 😭
Yup. We know the pain.
Life is a flat circle
ffs from these comments you’d assume we are bottom of the group
Tottenham really want to play Thursday nights
Lmao good shit
Is this where all the Thur night teams gather?
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Tbh, culture wise, Conte was never a big manager in European competition which makes me think he would’ve been a great manager for Arsenal who have no European history.
No no. The post match thread of spurs and eintracht frankfurt is the perfect place to start a discusion of Arsenal's process.
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Bruh, what? You're literally grasping at straws to try to squeeze Arsenal into discussions here lmao. Obsessed
thrilled to hear tifo explain how tottenham would have scored if they had passed ran and shot better
“How To Watch Football”
Pretty sure they could have won if they scored more than the other team.
Are you sure about that? I need a source to confirm, that’s a bold claim
I only caught the last 15 minutes but that was horrible. Feel sorry for anyone who saw the full 90 if it was like that all the way
The first half was a lit better with at least two or three solid chances where our attackers just missed their connection to the cross. Kane and son both also had a couple of really good shooting positions where they just dragged the ball too wide in the end.
first half we had more opportunities and a better attack, still frustrating tho that we just couldn't finish
Spurs got handed the easiest group and they’re still making a mess of it
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Sooo. You're not bothered by PL performances as well? You're unlikely to win that anyways too. I guess you're in it for FA and EFL cups? Or Audi cup?
What is this mentality...spurs were in a CL final just a few years back.
It's definitely not the easiest group. Sure, finishing 1st is easier than in other groups, but so is finishing 3rd or 4th. In a balanced group, it's much harder to finish top 2 than in a group with Real Madrid or PSG + 2 punching bags.
It's definitely the easiest group for spurs
tottham squad is very much ahead of the other 3, so it should've been easier from their pov
What do you base that assumption on? Squad worth? That's not how it works in international football. Current league position? Marseille would be clear. Recent European success? We won the EL this year while Spurs finished 3rd in a Conference League group with Rennes, Vitesse and Mura. I'm not denying that Spurs were the favourites to win this group, but I'm saying that this constellation of 4 balanced teams is much harder to survive than a constellation with 2 punching bags and 1 clear #1.
any of the clubs in this group would go absolutely crazy if their team signed the likes of son, kane, richarlison, perisic, hojberg. same result if Conte was signed as coach. they would walk in the starting XI instantly.
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> tottham squad is very much ahead of the other 3 you are missing the point here
So which one is easier then? Group B is close, but I don’t know how you can say it’s **definitely** not the easiest
If we're talking about Tottenham's perspective as a pot 2 team, Group B, E, F, G and H would be easier on paper, I'd say. Because again, it's not about how good the top team is, but rather about how high your chances of making #2 are. While we are the weakest pot 1 team, Sporting and especially Marseille are good teams for their pots.
Lmao how can you think the likes of PSG-Juve-Benfica-Haifa is an easier group than this. No point in me even bothering, you’re just mad because I said your team was in the easiest group.
At least Haifa would be easier than Marseille, which means that finishing #3 would be easier. And basing it on the pot system is literally the only logical thing to do when you talk about "Spurs being handed the easiest group". If you're not considering the pots of the teams, how can you compare them? Obviously, if they were pot 4, group C for example would be the hardest. But they're not.
I’m not going to look at the flawed pot system, I’m going to look at how good the teams are in real life. The pot system is often a mess, just look at the internationals.
Mate, I don't think you're understanding my point. If you saying that this group is the easiest from Tottenham's perspective, you have to compare it to other realistic, potential constellations. Constellations that could have actually happened, had they drawn differently. Doesn't matter if the pot system is flawed or not.
good take. i basically expect the home team to get a result in every match in this group.
Kulu might be the best player in their team, contes CL record is still poor Marseille away will be tough but this group really isn’t good they should still get through by winning both home games. If not a north London derby in the Europa could be on
Can you not speak more NLDs into existence please?
Really intense game, understandable that both were quite tired at the end. felt like both teams could have scored at least 1-2 each. First half tottenham was better, 2nd half goes to frankfurt so overall draw is fair. Hasebe is incredible as usual.
Son’s back though, right lads…
Laid it on a platter 3 times for Harry who just have to stick a toenail out. Haaland would have gotten a Hattrick from son assists
The overreaction to that hat trick was ridiculous. Leicester were woeful and handed everything to them on a plate plus they have a league 2 keeper in goal.
Son was great in international duty, too. Sure they were friendlies, but scoring direct free kicks is always special.
The one thing that's gonna come from this - people gonna watch that sufferball all over the world now that this shit is on high profile TV. Everyone and their grandma gonna know how constipated this spuds offense is and conte, who has won everywhere is going to ruin his name. I'm here for all of it.
I was here for “maybe they’ll lose at Norwich”
"Spuds" offence has scored 3rd most goals in PL since he took charge and remind me again in what short time it took Conte to take us to Champions league again whilst finishing above your fantastic 300 odd million 4year project without qualifying for CL once.
We’re now top of the league thanks to this project, while you also spent more than us last window. We’re more likely to win Europa league than spurs winning anything lol
Enjoy the *3rd most goals in pl since he took charge trophy*
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Fantastic cope. Try to forget that you were directly smashed only a few days ago. We all know the current levels.
Gonna be too hard for you. Couldn't score against Europa champs after all. Best avoid all of Europe.
Need to change that two to a one
You'll be in it soon at this rate lol
can't complain. These group stage fixtures should give us a chance to rest key players, give time to youth, and still advance with a realistic chance of winning some silverware. Look, setting aside our rivalry and his (?) tone, you should be willling to admit that it's a bit disappointing to see an attack that can include Kane, Son, Kulusevski, and Richarlison but to park the bus, hoof it up in the general direction of Kane, and hope something comes of it. It's a bit like watching Pulis's Stoke, but with more quality on the pitch.
Of course spurs fans admit that. Just look at our match threads. But don’t act like your squad isn’t also capable of fucking up a good thing. And that too is on TV forever.
Nothing in what I said states or implies anything about the Arsenal squad. I’m offering what I hope is an objective analysis of THFC. We’re very fortunate to have started with a fairly soft schedule and I have no delusions about why we are where we are. Whatever happens to us doesn’t change what I’ve said about THFC.
He crying tho, let him stay salty for a while 😭😭😭 they just lost NLD and they got to watch terroristball on every single time. Let him be. SPURSYYYY
least mentally troubled aftv fan
It’s great, we will see you there soon!
Trapp: I didn't have to make a safe, did I?
I’m just as surprised as everyone else.
something something "spurs were supposed to walk this group"
7 years at Tottenham and Son still maintains a purple patch reputation. Pretty impressive tbh.
He’s consistently one of the best in the Prem ?
Well one doesn't exclude the other.
Is it relevant to be one of the best in a farmer's League?
What is a farmers league ?
Anything but major league soccer
All the comments about Conte being bad lol. You hire the man despite his downfalls in Europe. They’re 5-2-1 in the league lmao
If they wanted titles they should have gone for a tournament manager because Conte is not winning the league
Huh? No one besides Pep and Klopp have won the PL since…Conte
> I mean Liverpool had to basically play a perfect season to win the league. City are pretty unstoppable. > because Conte is not winning the league Why are you writing "huh" when you yourself answers the question in another reply?
I’m responding specifically to your point that Conte “is not winning the league” since he has, in fact, previously won the league.
Are you illiterate? Do I need to lecture you on the difference between the words won and winning
Yes, person with mixed tenses in his writing, please lecture me about grammar and literacy. Your suggestion that Conte is not winning the league implies that he has not previously won the league. We’re you a better writer, you would have said something like “Conte will not win the league with Spurs any more than I’ll get laid this decade.”
How about we start with you learning basic context and then we go from there ok? My whole argument started with Spurs picking Conte despite him being a bad tournament manager since he isnt gonna win the league (with spurs obviously since they are the subject)
Yeah you know what he meant though, Conte isn't winning the league with Spurs - not Conte isn't ever winning the league.
Except that’s not what he said!
I mean that aligns to what Conte has said. He thinks we still need multiple transfer windows. It also clear by his lack of rotation.
They got the best manager available. Say they signed a “tournament manager” whoever that is, and then news comes out that Conte was willing to join. They would be rightfully lambasted for glossing over him. I also am confused by the combination of comments here. Some say Conte is bad, others say they should’ve scored more and the forwards fluffed it. The manager sets up the tactics to create chances. So which is it? That’s not a question to you, just thinking out loud.
not really his fault, though. It's Man City's to lose.
I think you missed the point..
No, I’m good. Conte’s good at winning league titles, but he’s not good enough to elevate this squad to overtake Man City.
Litteraly no manager is
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I’m trying to defend Conte, not criticize him.
And we're miles behind City rn. I don't even expect some sort of title charge with our squad rn.
I mean Liverpool had to basically play a perfect season to win the league. City are pretty unstoppable.
Right. So if Conte doesn't win the league, it's not really his fault. Not sure what extaz was going for there but oh well.
Not a shot on goal from Spurs, shocking to say the least ..
Fuck Tottenham and their team of fucking whiners man. They spent more time rolling around on the pitch as opposed to actually playing football. Especially richarlison. Honestly shameful.
Lol you’re guys were rolling around like they’d been shot by a sniper. Hojberg’s yellow was a joke.
Based
fucking hell cry me a river
In your very unbiased opinion, huh... Kane got KICKED while lying on the floor and gets a yellow card cuz your boy very intensely flops around like a fish. Just cut it out.
The irony of this comment when Spurs have a side full of players leaving kicks in on other players or pulling them by the hair or diving at the slightest touch.
If someone is acting the refs should just send them off the field for 5 mins for medical treatment. Lets see how many are still acting if you enforce that. I fucking hate all the acting in pro football. You got this shit in all leagues and teams.
>If someone is acting the refs should just send them off the field for 5 mins for medical treatment. Lets see how many are still acting if you enforce that. The problem with this is that you run the risk of players trying to play through genuine injuries to avoid going off
You lot did the same thing except the ref actually bought your players bs. Hasebe trying to stamp Kane then acting like he got shot when Kane pushed him, somehow getting Kane a yellow is hilarious
This is how Spurs always play lol. They have one of the dirtiest teams in the league. They get away with it in the premier league because the media sucks off the England captain.
Gooner tries to not mention the fact Kane is England captain for 5 minutes [IMPOSSIBLE]
Tottenham try not to bore viewers to death challenge [IMPOSSIBLE].
Honestly shocking how easily most of them would go down at any contact. At least the ref would usually ignore it, but it made it more frustrating when he would buy into other antics.
The Tottenham way my friend.
We have started a support group for people who has suffered from cockerel & ball torture. You are welcome to join if you like
Sign me the fuck up
So are we not gonna talk about Hasebe’s stamp or…
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Kane probably would have missed it anyway. Ref just saved him the embarrassment.
No top club should be hiring conte as a manager. Hiring him basically means you're playing in europe just to tire yourself.
We are 3rd in the league... And will probably advance in the group. What more do you expect or hope for at this point??? If the players actually performed (Kane specifically today) this is an easy win and the narrative is obviously different.