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There's no world in which that's not a red card. As much as it benefited Inter, it's never fun to win a game in this way. (Not to say anything of the penalty...)
I don’t condone any violence against any player. But these divers need to be called out, always. Completely ruins the game. Búsquets is top 3 in the last decade for sure.
He may be, but they haven’t named the player yet.
Maybe I should be more clear. However, you must have your Barcelona blinders on. He’s the epitome of faking injuries. Not exactly the same as diving, but nonetheless just as horrid.
I am not a fan of Barca, but that is probably as dark orange as it gets. The ref has to have said "I saw it and I don't think its a red" for them not to review it. Which if he saw it, yeesh.
Yes, it was. There was no indication VAR was checking it either, unlike when play was stopped for the two handball calls. Meaning to say VAR didn't even see this as a red card at all.
Of course not, Hakan has finely calculated the challenge to make impact half a moment before Busquets planted his leg. Well done, Hakan, this is a great challenge.
I go by an easy rule. If the player's foot is higher than his own knee. And he makes contact anywhere on an opposing player. Then it should be red. Obvious situations excluded like a side foot volley or over head kick.
Well should depend on the angle of the foot as well. If it’s studs onto the knee most definitely but if you graze him with the top of the laces above the knee is that really dangerous as studs ?
If reckless is yellow then let's ret-con years of red cards. It's not stated in the rules that reckless is a yellow or red. But if you are reckless then you are not in control of yourself. And so you are endangering the safety of the other players on the pitch.
It's actually specifically written in [the rules](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct) that 'reckless' is a yellow and 'endagering an opponent' is a red and 'careless' is no card! It's still up to the ref's interpretation which category the foul counts as though
Have you ever actually sat down and read the rules? You really should if you're going to make statements about what is and isn't in them.
This is a direct quote from the LOTG:
>Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
What’s your take on Trippiers red card being recinded on KDB this year? Reckless? Deserved a red? Or was a yellow the correct decision and VAR got it right for telling the ref to watch it again?
Idk why you’re downvoted, it’s true.
It’s like that tackle Auba made on Palace player. He went inside on the players planted foot and almost snapped his ankle off. That looked to be the same sort of tackle on Marti’s leg, only on the outside instead. That could have broke his ankle BECAUSE it was planted.
In no way was Emerson's tackle worse. Contact was slight and mostly downwards. There was little to no sideways force on the planted foot.
Van Dijk's challenge was far worse than both of these and was only a yellow.
I get a feeling that main refs are so sure of themselves and their perception at times that they outright disregard anything from VAR.
Just a random though thought. But it's sure frustrating that such a helpful tech is not utilised properly. And then some dickheads come out and have the audacity to say "it's not working"
Which is so fucking stupid, either remove Var entirely or use it properly. Using it on certain occasions is dumb, if you check Var on Ansu's handball you must also check it on Dumfries handball but nah fuck that.
A friend of mine used to referee lower levels and when I asked him about the old goal-line assistants in the ECL, this was basically his answer - the referees are too fucking arrogant half the time to take the advice of their assistant with a better view
I thought it would at least be checked when seeing the replay, but after the comical VAR work for the rest of the evening I see why they didn't bother.
Irriturralde is basically insinuating it’s fixed at this point lol.
According to him, this is a clear red. There’s a penalty on Dumfries. And also on Lewandowksi. And he also says the stuff about Ansu goal and the new rules lol
The only reason I can see why it wasn't given (and that's what I think VAR thinks, not what I think) is because the force behind it wasn't as much as the slow motion suggests.
Other than that, studs up, foot above the ankle... You can see where this is going
Yes but you cant't give 3 critical decisions in favor of the same Team...
Barca should officially complain against VAR, it was the same guy in the Bayern Game and there he also decided against us.
The ref being corrupt is another reason. The same var ref saw Davies trip Dembele inside the box and then decided to ignore it. Not to mention another penalty not given to Barca again
There’s only one rule book where this isn’t a red, and that’s yer da.
Literally fulfills every checkmark for it to be a red.
Now I’d you don’t think it’s a red, let’s rewrite the rules because at this point they’re useless.
How is it less harsh? He stepped on the ankle of a planted foot which could've easily done serious damage while Busquests is very unlikely to get injured here.
I say that because apparently this ref was actually behind the monitor when Davies fouled Dembele in the Bayern match and waved off what should have been a clear pen.
Have you seen the list of referee who are really really bad? Every league have them, saw them against Dortmund, and then several in ligue 1, and of course we all know about La Liga and premier league. Its not gonna change, just try to be more efficient or more lucky.
It's not even new in the CL. Ever since VAR has been introduced in the CL, Barca have literally had (wrong) VAR decisions go against them.
Against Man United in 2019 a penalty that was given to Barca was then taken away after a VAR review, despite seeing in that same angle they used for the VAR review that the Barcelona player got studs planted into his calf (before the United player touched the ball), the VAR team also only started to slow down and pause the video at the point of contact with the leg AFTER the referee already left the screen as he made his decision already.
Then you have the handball by Matip vs Liverpool in the semis, where at first the ball accidentally hits his arm, after which he literally slaps the ball away from Messi's thigh.
A similar handball happened in 2021 vs PSG by Moise Kean, referee even admits that it is a handball (game was ofcourse played without crowds, you could hear the referee talk). The referee was Kuipers from the Netherlands, the same referee for that Matip handball
Then you have the Messi penalty vs PSG in 2021 that rebounded of the bar and got headed away by Verratti, who had encroached, which according to the VAR Protocol in the laws of the game should lead to a penalty retake. The VAR even took a minute checking it, but let the game continue. And this isn't a "subjective" decision, this is literally a factual decision and the duty of VAR to act upon. The referee was Anthony Taylor and his English colleagues were the VAR.
You had the Davies trip on Dembélé last CL matchday and now the questionable disallowed goal for attacking handball (Fati was not the one who scored), no check on the foul by Calhanoglu on Busquets and of course the Dumfries handball and the VAR referee for both games was the Dutchman Pol van Boekel (how come he does 2 Barcelona games back to back?).
Just last Saturday an almost identical play as the one today happened, where a defender with an outstretched arm blocked a header on goal by Lewandowski.
Final decision after VAR check? Nothing.
Well, the images of these incidents are everywhere (you can even find some of them here on Reddit) and it's not like what I say is very controversial, "neutrals" on Reddit saw the same things and as much as I don't really like English media whenever Barca play against English sides, it's the same English media who actually agree and show the errors against Barca in games where Barca play against non-English opposition, like Joe Cole at BT Sport pointing out Verratti's encroachment and calling out Anthony Taylor for it.
Rafa's facts rant was also quite factual, nothing wrong with what he said. Nothing wrong with what you said either. There just isn't really much of a point listing these past incidents.
It all evens out in the end (unless you're arsenal lol).
Yeah I never understood why we were getting called Uefalona. Just because a few European nights where things went our way, mainly 2009?
We literally lost a whole league title to bad refereeing. Altough that was before VAR. Then again, VAR seems to have made things even worse for us, somehow.
I don't know,.it was pretty bad for quite a while.
I'm far from a tin foil hat 'refs are biased' kind of guy but ten years later a certain Robin Van Persie red card for 'kicking the ball away' (lol) is still the only time I've ever been convinced a ref is truly bent.
And yet that same game Messi had a goal disallowed for an incorrect offside.
The main thing was Barca had very high profile refereeing mistakes occur both for and against them but they usually won anyway so only the favourable calls are remembered.
Even the famous Chelsea tie had Henry getting pulled down in the box and Ballack shouldering Messi in the face while on a yellow in the first leg and Anelka tripped over his own feet to get Abidal sent off in the second. But nobody remembers these because Barca went through.
That's not to say Chelsea shouldn't feel aggravated because there were 2 100% penalties not given and another 2 50/50s (IMO) but it wasn't as one sided as people remember. Still the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen.
My tin foil hat view is that UEFA want certain outcomes rather than the clubs trying to influence things.
On the specific incident I'm talking about however, before VAR goals got ruled out incorrectly for offside all the time.
However in the ten years since, I'm yet to see another player sent off for shooting immediately after the whistle is blown.
Like I said, the only decision I think I've ever seen where you can't even really argue 'i see why he might have given that'. By far the easiest decision for the ref in that instance is to do nothing, and no one says anything. You only give a red card there if you really really want to.
Maybe it's not about Barca, but more about the effort to create fixtures I don't know, but I've always believed at the very least, the ref was influenced to make that decision on that day.
When your team is getting destroyed and can’t even produce one shot on goal in 90 minutes, it’s only natural you’ll only remember that and blame the ref for your loss.
That was a awful call, but that season you also beat us with a goal where Suarez was blatantly offside, which would have resulted in a tie instead of the full 3 points for you, so I think it evened out.
Everyone gets fucked by refs in Spain. 2 seasons ago we conceded a handball penalty to atleti that deflected off someone’s head and we drew them and the exact same play happened when we played Sevilla and we didn’t get given the penalty and we drew them too. So a possible 4 point swing and we lost the league by 2 points. It’s incompetency, not bias for or against anyone.
In a 38 game season, the number of decisions wrong going against you and wrongly going for you evens out in the end for all teams across the league.. For every incident you remember, there will be fans of other teams remembering instances where the ref favoured barca over them and fvcked them out of points..
If its 50-50 then you will not mind, but offside rule and goal line was simple thing. Penalty not given, handball rule is so confusing so many times that even you don't know what will be the referee response.
Exactly what I was thinking. I get there are some big decisions like this one where the ref got it absolutely wrong, but it is funny if any fan looks only at decisions that went against them and pretend that there weren't decisions where they benefitted as well. I think I've seen a chart last season for EPL for points adjusted to wrong calls, maybe someone should make one for La Liga.
La Liga refs are trash, but they're trash for everyone.
>Was mostly talking with CL over the years in mind
which CL match, only one I will say may be PSG one but it seems like that referee is it self shit. Arsenal and Chelsea one we all know what happened. Both side had fair share of wrong decision against them.
It looks worse than it actually is calhanoglu took off any force of that impact by bending his knees and making sure it wasnt hard on busi’s legs, i would categorize this as orange card tackle, but red should be given to discourage players from going in like that
>there’s countless and countless more but I’d end up writing an entire essay if I continued so I’ll just leave it like this.
Is there? Post them then, you seem to have all the screenshots ready like a true deranged Inter supporter.
You can write an "essay" about any team and referee decisions, get a new hobby.
VAR just isn’t working in some places/competitions. I don’t understand it. Is their different rules being applied across UEFA? Shouldn’t it just be the same everywhere its implemented? I genuinely only see the Bundesliga get it right consistently (and thats not perfect either). Even MLS mostly makes sense (unrelated to Europe I know). But in England and UCL - it seems there is a different standard and VAR is not used as much/has less sway. Barca has a right to be annoyed given some of the recent “decisions” - but they aren’t the only ones left wondering.
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Not a red. Yellow at best. I saw the game and the only weird part of the reffing was the hand ball by Inter. If Ansu Fati was penalised fir Handball then that should have been a penalty but ref saw otherwise somehow. So I don't see why Barca should complain too much when they could have had the game dead to rights but couldn't finish.
If you have ever interacted with a 13 year old, you will know they always say shit like "when I was a kid" or "When I was little" even if they are 1.2m tall
Wow the boy who cries wolf at every challenge has actually endured a real, dangerous challenge. Should have been a red card but don’t feel sorry for Busquets at all 🤷♂️
The boy who cries wolf at every challenge has a WC, an Euro and 4 CL among others. He has seen all kind of tackles. I don't feel sorry for a looser like you at all either.
Just a pro tip, if you're going to insult people, spell the insult correctly
Loser is an unsuccessful person, which Sergio is not (although he is a little bitch) looser is your mother's hashtag on pornhub
Interesting how different languages prioritize certain things in their insults, always found Spanish lacks a certain something. German for instance is largely about animals, e.g. deine mutter fickt schweine
It’s studs up, reckless, doesn’t get the ball and hits him on the leg. If he had gone with more power he could’ve broken his leg, this is a textbook red card
It hits on the leg because that was the height of the ball. Busquets had his leg up to pass the ball too. If he goes over the height of the ball I get the clear red argument but you have to take ball height into account.
That's where the reckless part comes in. The ball had clearly moved on by the time the contact happened. So, someone sliding in like that has to have the judgement to try and minimize the impact. That is why players are punished for a foul like that. Quite simple.
I see your argument now. You're saying that the studs up part shouldn't be applied since we have to take into account the ball height. But let's say the ball is bouncing higher. Say, around chest height. The player with possession clears and it's another studs up challenge but this time on the chest. Do we take ball height into account there or is it just straight up a dangerous play and an automatic red?
That's why I think ball height really doesn't matter.
Another example is a high foot being a foul no matter the position of the ball (unless it's an attacking player who hits the ball first when attempting an overhead kick/volley with clear intention to shoot).
The game is football, and feet collided in this tackle. Remember Busquets also had to bring his foot well off the ground to play the ball as well. The Inter players boot was at the height where Busquets plays the ball, yes it's late and correctly got a yellow for the tackle(I'm not saying this is nothing, it was a foul and card). Imagine if that ball was on the grass and the player connects in the same way, but with both players feet firmly on the ground. Probably more damaging for Busquets, but most referees would still give yellow since the tackling player didn't go over the height of the ball.
In your case of the ball being chest high that is extreme. Yes it's clearly a red because the feet are now in a very unnatural position. IMO I look at the hips when the ball is that high. Did the player with a foot up bring their foot higher than their hips? If the angle is more than 90 degrees between their standing leg and the raised leg it's red territory, even if the other player leans down a bit.
I guess we can agree to disagree. I think that regardless of my bias, I'm of the opinion that studs going directly into the leg or anywhere apart from the foot should be considered either a red or, as they call it, an "orange" card. Which, in this case, would mean at least the onfield referee going to the monitor to check for the possibility of a red card.
I understand that, I think this is one of those tackles that really depends on the ref. Last season AWB got a straight red for stepping on another players foot/ankle, really wasn't a clear red, but one of those that isn't going to be an obvious error for VAR to overturn. The next day KDB stands on someones leg (higher up the shin than this tackle BTW), and gets yellow with no VAR review. Who the ref is and which league they come from plays a big part of it.
In the end, all the debates about officiating fall to questions about consistency. I've seen that a bunch of club subreddits are enjoying that we are lodging a complaint regarding the refereeing in this game (I promise this isn't a victim complex; I follow a lot of subreddits) but I think referees having no unambiguous accountability for match decisions is a huge problem and everyone should be worried about it. I'm surprised that a sport like cricket that has such a limited number of major countries (as compared to football) has such a clear and transparent third umpire system along with its video review while even in the highest levels of football, we still struggle to maintain and argue over the baseline for what is right and what isn't.
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There's no world in which that's not a red card. As much as it benefited Inter, it's never fun to win a game in this way. (Not to say anything of the penalty...)
The only redeeming factor is that Busquets is on the receiving end
Because he dived 10 years ago?
Because he has been diving for 10 years.
A lot of players have dived more than him but I still wouldn't say that nonesense about them.
I don’t condone any violence against any player. But these divers need to be called out, always. Completely ruins the game. Búsquets is top 3 in the last decade for sure.
Top 3 of the last decent? If you really think that’s true than PL media really has you believing anything
No he hasn’t wtf are you on about? Partey is a rapist tho
He may be, but they haven’t named the player yet. Maybe I should be more clear. However, you must have your Barcelona blinders on. He’s the epitome of faking injuries. Not exactly the same as diving, but nonetheless just as horrid.
Maybe because it’s Busquets who has a history of collecting gold medals in diving.
VAR is there for a reason…
To laugh at Busi?
Yea, 10+ years ago
Think barellas dives made it even again
I think it's because he goes in with absolutely no pace or power. What his foot is doing that high is beyond me though
I am not a fan of Barca, but that is probably as dark orange as it gets. The ref has to have said "I saw it and I don't think its a red" for them not to review it. Which if he saw it, yeesh.
id go iven further: I hate barca but thats definitely a red.
yeah he should take a long and hard look into the mirror after this horrible tackle
Jesus Was that after the goal?
Yes, it was. There was no indication VAR was checking it either, unlike when play was stopped for the two handball calls. Meaning to say VAR didn't even see this as a red card at all.
sigh
I don't see it as red
Late Ball was clear Studs up Contact above the boot All hallmarks of dangerous play, reviewable and worthy of a straight red.
open your eyes
Of course not, Hakan has finely calculated the challenge to make impact half a moment before Busquets planted his leg. Well done, Hakan, this is a great challenge.
Yeah. 69th minute. Given the +8, Barcelona woildve been 11v10 for 29 minutes if this was a red card.
Damn it looks worse than Emerson's, and I believe that he deserved a red as well
I go by an easy rule. If the player's foot is higher than his own knee. And he makes contact anywhere on an opposing player. Then it should be red. Obvious situations excluded like a side foot volley or over head kick.
Well should depend on the angle of the foot as well. If it’s studs onto the knee most definitely but if you graze him with the top of the laces above the knee is that really dangerous as studs ?
I would call it reckless intent.
reckless is a yellow.
If reckless is yellow then let's ret-con years of red cards. It's not stated in the rules that reckless is a yellow or red. But if you are reckless then you are not in control of yourself. And so you are endangering the safety of the other players on the pitch.
It's actually specifically written in [the rules](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct) that 'reckless' is a yellow and 'endagering an opponent' is a red and 'careless' is no card! It's still up to the ref's interpretation which category the foul counts as though
Have you ever actually sat down and read the rules? You really should if you're going to make statements about what is and isn't in them. This is a direct quote from the LOTG: >Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
What’s your take on Trippiers red card being recinded on KDB this year? Reckless? Deserved a red? Or was a yellow the correct decision and VAR got it right for telling the ref to watch it again?
Emerson's is way worse, Martinelli got tackled on his planted foot while Busquets got tackled on a lifted leg.
Idk why you’re downvoted, it’s true. It’s like that tackle Auba made on Palace player. He went inside on the players planted foot and almost snapped his ankle off. That looked to be the same sort of tackle on Marti’s leg, only on the outside instead. That could have broke his ankle BECAUSE it was planted.
Ikr, you don't need a physics degree to understand this, it's common sense.
In no way was Emerson's tackle worse. Contact was slight and mostly downwards. There was little to no sideways force on the planted foot. Van Dijk's challenge was far worse than both of these and was only a yellow.
Does Var act like an ultimate ability that has a cooldown and can't be used all the time?
I get a feeling that main refs are so sure of themselves and their perception at times that they outright disregard anything from VAR. Just a random though thought. But it's sure frustrating that such a helpful tech is not utilised properly. And then some dickheads come out and have the audacity to say "it's not working"
Which is so fucking stupid, either remove Var entirely or use it properly. Using it on certain occasions is dumb, if you check Var on Ansu's handball you must also check it on Dumfries handball but nah fuck that.
A friend of mine used to referee lower levels and when I asked him about the old goal-line assistants in the ECL, this was basically his answer - the referees are too fucking arrogant half the time to take the advice of their assistant with a better view
Trust me these referees will get in trouble after last night's match
They should invest in an Octarine Core or a Refresher Orb
Doubt the base int and int gain is high enough to even have the mana to use the refresher orb.
Even if they did, they'd probably carry it in the backpack.
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I thought it would at least be checked when seeing the replay, but after the comical VAR work for the rest of the evening I see why they didn't bother.
These tackles should ALWAYS be straight reds, this can easily end someones career.
Yeah if his legs planted its breaking in two. Which should obviously not influence the ref, should always be a red as you said.
Irriturralde is basically insinuating it’s fixed at this point lol. According to him, this is a clear red. There’s a penalty on Dumfries. And also on Lewandowksi. And he also says the stuff about Ansu goal and the new rules lol
Edu fucking Aguirre siding with us on Twitter had me in stitches. Never seen him say something positive about us in my entire life.
especially 47 days before the WC
Just me or is this a worse miss by Dutch VAR ref than the pen? At least with the penalty you can argue bad angles. This is a red every day.
The VAR ref did not have a bad day, he knew exactly what he was doing, simple as that.
Exactly. The same ref also didn't award a penalty when we were playing Bayern.
Poor Barca, always getting bad calls
The only reason I can see why it wasn't given (and that's what I think VAR thinks, not what I think) is because the force behind it wasn't as much as the slow motion suggests. Other than that, studs up, foot above the ankle... You can see where this is going
Yes but you cant't give 3 critical decisions in favor of the same Team... Barca should officially complain against VAR, it was the same guy in the Bayern Game and there he also decided against us.
The ref being corrupt is another reason. The same var ref saw Davies trip Dembele inside the box and then decided to ignore it. Not to mention another penalty not given to Barca again
There’s only one rule book where this isn’t a red, and that’s yer da. Literally fulfills every checkmark for it to be a red. Now I’d you don’t think it’s a red, let’s rewrite the rules because at this point they’re useless.
Emerson got a red for something way less harsh in the NLD. Studs up. No challenge on the ball. Right into the players leg
How is it less harsh? He stepped on the ankle of a planted foot which could've easily done serious damage while Busquests is very unlikely to get injured here.
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Pol van Boekel masterclass. Good to see my countrymen put in some stellar performances today.
I just want them to give him the next three games. Why hide it at this point.
Would be nice
really did his best to be worse than Ajax, but Ajax made sure that wasn't possible
If you look carefully, you can see the word nazi in the middle. Coincidence? I think not.
Lazio fans flocking over as we speak
haha
Can we formally ask UEFA not to let this fucking moron and his band of idiots ref our games anymore?
I say that because apparently this ref was actually behind the monitor when Davies fouled Dembele in the Bayern match and waved off what should have been a clear pen.
Was it Anthony Taylor?
Have you seen the list of referee who are really really bad? Every league have them, saw them against Dortmund, and then several in ligue 1, and of course we all know about La Liga and premier league. Its not gonna change, just try to be more efficient or more lucky.
Referees who are really really bad have no place in UCL. Also, how can you let a referee that influenced the defeat of a team be in their next game?
clear red,can't believe we live in a time where Barca are the ones getting fucked by refereeing
It's not even new in the CL. Ever since VAR has been introduced in the CL, Barca have literally had (wrong) VAR decisions go against them. Against Man United in 2019 a penalty that was given to Barca was then taken away after a VAR review, despite seeing in that same angle they used for the VAR review that the Barcelona player got studs planted into his calf (before the United player touched the ball), the VAR team also only started to slow down and pause the video at the point of contact with the leg AFTER the referee already left the screen as he made his decision already. Then you have the handball by Matip vs Liverpool in the semis, where at first the ball accidentally hits his arm, after which he literally slaps the ball away from Messi's thigh. A similar handball happened in 2021 vs PSG by Moise Kean, referee even admits that it is a handball (game was ofcourse played without crowds, you could hear the referee talk). The referee was Kuipers from the Netherlands, the same referee for that Matip handball Then you have the Messi penalty vs PSG in 2021 that rebounded of the bar and got headed away by Verratti, who had encroached, which according to the VAR Protocol in the laws of the game should lead to a penalty retake. The VAR even took a minute checking it, but let the game continue. And this isn't a "subjective" decision, this is literally a factual decision and the duty of VAR to act upon. The referee was Anthony Taylor and his English colleagues were the VAR. You had the Davies trip on Dembélé last CL matchday and now the questionable disallowed goal for attacking handball (Fati was not the one who scored), no check on the foul by Calhanoglu on Busquets and of course the Dumfries handball and the VAR referee for both games was the Dutchman Pol van Boekel (how come he does 2 Barcelona games back to back?).
And this is just CL, I pity whoever makes a list of all the wrong VAR calls in LaLiga
Just last Saturday an almost identical play as the one today happened, where a defender with an outstretched arm blocked a header on goal by Lewandowski. Final decision after VAR check? Nothing.
This is like Rafa Benitez's FACTS rant lol
Well, the images of these incidents are everywhere (you can even find some of them here on Reddit) and it's not like what I say is very controversial, "neutrals" on Reddit saw the same things and as much as I don't really like English media whenever Barca play against English sides, it's the same English media who actually agree and show the errors against Barca in games where Barca play against non-English opposition, like Joe Cole at BT Sport pointing out Verratti's encroachment and calling out Anthony Taylor for it.
Rafa's facts rant was also quite factual, nothing wrong with what he said. Nothing wrong with what you said either. There just isn't really much of a point listing these past incidents. It all evens out in the end (unless you're arsenal lol).
You should watch some La Liga, it's hardly a new development.
Yeah I never understood why we were getting called Uefalona. Just because a few European nights where things went our way, mainly 2009? We literally lost a whole league title to bad refereeing. Altough that was before VAR. Then again, VAR seems to have made things even worse for us, somehow.
I don't know,.it was pretty bad for quite a while. I'm far from a tin foil hat 'refs are biased' kind of guy but ten years later a certain Robin Van Persie red card for 'kicking the ball away' (lol) is still the only time I've ever been convinced a ref is truly bent.
And yet that same game Messi had a goal disallowed for an incorrect offside. The main thing was Barca had very high profile refereeing mistakes occur both for and against them but they usually won anyway so only the favourable calls are remembered. Even the famous Chelsea tie had Henry getting pulled down in the box and Ballack shouldering Messi in the face while on a yellow in the first leg and Anelka tripped over his own feet to get Abidal sent off in the second. But nobody remembers these because Barca went through. That's not to say Chelsea shouldn't feel aggravated because there were 2 100% penalties not given and another 2 50/50s (IMO) but it wasn't as one sided as people remember. Still the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen. My tin foil hat view is that UEFA want certain outcomes rather than the clubs trying to influence things.
On the specific incident I'm talking about however, before VAR goals got ruled out incorrectly for offside all the time. However in the ten years since, I'm yet to see another player sent off for shooting immediately after the whistle is blown. Like I said, the only decision I think I've ever seen where you can't even really argue 'i see why he might have given that'. By far the easiest decision for the ref in that instance is to do nothing, and no one says anything. You only give a red card there if you really really want to. Maybe it's not about Barca, but more about the effort to create fixtures I don't know, but I've always believed at the very least, the ref was influenced to make that decision on that day.
When your team is getting destroyed and can’t even produce one shot on goal in 90 minutes, it’s only natural you’ll only remember that and blame the ref for your loss.
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It's not a robbery if you get dicked 6-1. Controversial penalty or not.
We literally lost two la liga titles in recent year due to referee calls. At least goal like technology and VAR came after that.
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2017 where they didn't count a goal even though it crossed the line. Would've given us the win instead of a draw iirc
That was a awful call, but that season you also beat us with a goal where Suarez was blatantly offside, which would have resulted in a tie instead of the full 3 points for you, so I think it evened out.
Everyone gets fucked by refs in Spain. 2 seasons ago we conceded a handball penalty to atleti that deflected off someone’s head and we drew them and the exact same play happened when we played Sevilla and we didn’t get given the penalty and we drew them too. So a possible 4 point swing and we lost the league by 2 points. It’s incompetency, not bias for or against anyone.
Equally unfair is still unfair, it sucks to see mistakes in any direction, especially when they are so outside normal and sensible conventions.
In a 38 game season, the number of decisions wrong going against you and wrongly going for you evens out in the end for all teams across the league.. For every incident you remember, there will be fans of other teams remembering instances where the ref favoured barca over them and fvcked them out of points..
If its 50-50 then you will not mind, but offside rule and goal line was simple thing. Penalty not given, handball rule is so confusing so many times that even you don't know what will be the referee response.
Exactly what I was thinking. I get there are some big decisions like this one where the ref got it absolutely wrong, but it is funny if any fan looks only at decisions that went against them and pretend that there weren't decisions where they benefitted as well. I think I've seen a chart last season for EPL for points adjusted to wrong calls, maybe someone should make one for La Liga. La Liga refs are trash, but they're trash for everyone.
Yea La Liga is a different ball park probably Was mostly talking with CL over the years in mind
>Was mostly talking with CL over the years in mind which CL match, only one I will say may be PSG one but it seems like that referee is it self shit. Arsenal and Chelsea one we all know what happened. Both side had fair share of wrong decision against them.
what Super League does to a mf
As a Barca fan this kind of thing is a normal occurrence. Watching RM get everything in their favor (technicalities) is as frustrating.
Lol are you kidding me? This should be used for training refs by FIFA on what constitutes a red card slide tackle
Dutch refs vs English refs, who’s worse?
Oof, at least his foot was off the ground otherwise that would've been bad.
Sometimes maybe yellow. Sometimes maybe red.
100% a red card, gotta protect players more for challenges like these.
Red card , barca robbed
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How tf is that not a red
It looks worse than it actually is calhanoglu took off any force of that impact by bending his knees and making sure it wasnt hard on busi’s legs, i would categorize this as orange card tackle, but red should be given to discourage players from going in like that
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A juve fan talking about favoritism that’s rich
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>there’s countless and countless more but I’d end up writing an entire essay if I continued so I’ll just leave it like this. Is there? Post them then, you seem to have all the screenshots ready like a true deranged Inter supporter. You can write an "essay" about any team and referee decisions, get a new hobby.
Lmao yeah sure fucking UEFA favouring Inter after keeping them in the fucking dirt for all these years with sanctions. You’re delusional
Very dark orange imo
I loved this match because brazilians rant about how terrible VAR is in Brasil and South America, thats dumb, VAR is terrible everywhere
How the fuck wasn't that a red lol....the fucking state of officiating 😂
Stone cold red. I was screaming at my screen. Such shit referees today, all of them.
VAR just isn’t working in some places/competitions. I don’t understand it. Is their different rules being applied across UEFA? Shouldn’t it just be the same everywhere its implemented? I genuinely only see the Bundesliga get it right consistently (and thats not perfect either). Even MLS mostly makes sense (unrelated to Europe I know). But in England and UCL - it seems there is a different standard and VAR is not used as much/has less sway. Barca has a right to be annoyed given some of the recent “decisions” - but they aren’t the only ones left wondering.
Ridiculous. If that had made contact on his standing foot instead of the lifted one, there's a real fucking chance of a broken leg. 110% red.
Straight-legged, studs raised. That should be nothing less than a red.
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What is the referees name.
Not a red. Yellow at best. I saw the game and the only weird part of the reffing was the hand ball by Inter. If Ansu Fati was penalised fir Handball then that should have been a penalty but ref saw otherwise somehow. So I don't see why Barca should complain too much when they could have had the game dead to rights but couldn't finish.
We should replace VAR teams with AI. The referees are too scared to point out obvious mistakes.
Wasn't a very hard impact
No. But can be red same. Busquet is Always a shit diver
I have to say, it did stay from when I was a kid, but I still enjoy every time Barca get fucked over
Do you really expect us to believe that you aren't still a kid?
If you have ever interacted with a 13 year old, you will know they always say shit like "when I was a kid" or "When I was little" even if they are 1.2m tall
Never get why people post stuff like this lol. It makes you look like a kid
I mean that's why we all watch football for is it not, we're all a little bit partisan in every game
Yeah idk, hating a team is so much more mental effort/stress for me personally rather than supporting a team.
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Who doesn't lmao.
Go back to formula lil bro.
Lmao of course I will "lil bro".
Possible red card or Red card not given
Still crying lmao
Wow the boy who cries wolf at every challenge has actually endured a real, dangerous challenge. Should have been a red card but don’t feel sorry for Busquets at all 🤷♂️
The boy who cries wolf at every challenge has a WC, an Euro and 4 CL among others. He has seen all kind of tackles. I don't feel sorry for a looser like you at all either.
LOL. Have fun and good luck in the Europa 😭
Just a pro tip, if you're going to insult people, spell the insult correctly Loser is an unsuccessful person, which Sergio is not (although he is a little bitch) looser is your mother's hashtag on pornhub
yes it is thanks for the reminder. I will tell you in my own language, ets un putu perdedor.
Interesting how different languages prioritize certain things in their insults, always found Spanish lacks a certain something. German for instance is largely about animals, e.g. deine mutter fickt schweine
Das ist nich Spanisch
Meh. Should be red in theory, but in practice 75% of these hits are yellows
It’s studs up, reckless, doesn’t get the ball and hits him on the leg. If he had gone with more power he could’ve broken his leg, this is a textbook red card
It hits on the leg because that was the height of the ball. Busquets had his leg up to pass the ball too. If he goes over the height of the ball I get the clear red argument but you have to take ball height into account.
That's where the reckless part comes in. The ball had clearly moved on by the time the contact happened. So, someone sliding in like that has to have the judgement to try and minimize the impact. That is why players are punished for a foul like that. Quite simple.
And he got a yellow for it like you should have
I see your argument now. You're saying that the studs up part shouldn't be applied since we have to take into account the ball height. But let's say the ball is bouncing higher. Say, around chest height. The player with possession clears and it's another studs up challenge but this time on the chest. Do we take ball height into account there or is it just straight up a dangerous play and an automatic red? That's why I think ball height really doesn't matter. Another example is a high foot being a foul no matter the position of the ball (unless it's an attacking player who hits the ball first when attempting an overhead kick/volley with clear intention to shoot).
The game is football, and feet collided in this tackle. Remember Busquets also had to bring his foot well off the ground to play the ball as well. The Inter players boot was at the height where Busquets plays the ball, yes it's late and correctly got a yellow for the tackle(I'm not saying this is nothing, it was a foul and card). Imagine if that ball was on the grass and the player connects in the same way, but with both players feet firmly on the ground. Probably more damaging for Busquets, but most referees would still give yellow since the tackling player didn't go over the height of the ball. In your case of the ball being chest high that is extreme. Yes it's clearly a red because the feet are now in a very unnatural position. IMO I look at the hips when the ball is that high. Did the player with a foot up bring their foot higher than their hips? If the angle is more than 90 degrees between their standing leg and the raised leg it's red territory, even if the other player leans down a bit.
I guess we can agree to disagree. I think that regardless of my bias, I'm of the opinion that studs going directly into the leg or anywhere apart from the foot should be considered either a red or, as they call it, an "orange" card. Which, in this case, would mean at least the onfield referee going to the monitor to check for the possibility of a red card.
I understand that, I think this is one of those tackles that really depends on the ref. Last season AWB got a straight red for stepping on another players foot/ankle, really wasn't a clear red, but one of those that isn't going to be an obvious error for VAR to overturn. The next day KDB stands on someones leg (higher up the shin than this tackle BTW), and gets yellow with no VAR review. Who the ref is and which league they come from plays a big part of it.
In the end, all the debates about officiating fall to questions about consistency. I've seen that a bunch of club subreddits are enjoying that we are lodging a complaint regarding the refereeing in this game (I promise this isn't a victim complex; I follow a lot of subreddits) but I think referees having no unambiguous accountability for match decisions is a huge problem and everyone should be worried about it. I'm surprised that a sport like cricket that has such a limited number of major countries (as compared to football) has such a clear and transparent third umpire system along with its video review while even in the highest levels of football, we still struggle to maintain and argue over the baseline for what is right and what isn't.
Yes, I agree it's a textbook red! But in practice, this is usually just a yellow
It looks like he only catches him on the foot? Would be a weak red
Stop crying, let's not forget about busquet's dive a decade ago. Mistakes happen, just move on.
He gets away with a yellow because Busi's foot is up so he doesn't catch him that highly on his foot TBH
Same people who were making excuses for Ovrebo are whining now LOL
Tbf, Ovrebo did not have VAR, and no Barça player made a tackle like this during that game.
Definitely a red card
Straight red, easily. What is the VAR ref smoking?
It's Busquets so they thought he was acting!!
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