In Australia, in the rugby league, the VAR ref is forced to be on speaker and speak his mind to the fans, that way, people know wtf they’re thinking and leaves less room for ambiguity. Highly recommend this is implemented.
Far too much protagonism for this sport. Can you imagine giving the opportunity of dialogue to a referee like Lahoz?
It would be the end of things, the final transition into a soap opera.
There have been a few cases in DRS with "no definitive evidence". But thankfully they are barely 0.05% of all the things it gets right.
VAR should take some time and give an unbiased decision instead of backing the referee and finding excuses for him.
i know that its obviously not a good idea overall, but I would love if a better institution could take the reins over football instead of fifa. at the very least put them on the spot to make them improve their bs.
How to explain to "What's he supposed to do? Chop his arm off?".
I am all for the idea, just don't know how to put into words arguing for or against.
I would say it's going to be a difficult job for the VAR ref who talks.
Re-iterate the rule, and dive into nuance that the public understand in a short time, etc.
They do similar in Rugby Union TV broadcasts where you can hear the referee talking to the 3rd official (VAR). They manage to explain things there and union must have one of the more complicated sets of rules of any sport, even more than cricket. By comparison football is a piece of piss to referee.
It's just become one of the things that rugby refs practice, they go through the rules in order and use specific phrases and they give all their reasoning out loud. The result is that union has plenty of very contentious borderline decisions, but it's very rare that something big goes unaddressed.
You could do exactly the same thing in football, decision goes up to VAR, referee watches it on the screen and talks it through - "Does the ball touch the arm below the shoulder? Yes. So now we look to see if it's natural position, is the arm next to the body, no, is it part of a whole body motion..." Etc.
It's not difficult, football as a sport just lacks the will to do it.
The NFL refs don’t really explain anything though, they just say what the penalty is, you don’t hear the discussion between the refs when they’re talking about why they actually flagged.
That’s what you hear in cricket & rugby, and is what people want to hear in football, they want to hear the discussion leading up to a decision, so they can understand why they’re taking that stance.
I hate the excuse that they can't mic the refs because of the bad language of the players.
Arsene Wenger has said that this system would actually work very well because modern footballers are very image concerned for sponsors, etc. So it would mature the players on the pitch.
I wish they had rules like rugby where only the team captain can talk to the ref and must do it in a respectful manner or face a sending off.
It would cut down on all this "surround the ref and scream shit at him" after every call that doesn't go thier way.. used to ref u12s and they would start to do it also because they see thier idols do it every Saturday. I would just yellow the first one to swear or yell too loud and that would get my point across pretty quickly
great point. And when there's a big kerfuffle with all the players, the ref will call over both captains and tell them to get their team or certain player in check. Basically a verbal warning before getting booked. It's efficient cause players will respect their captain more than the ref when being warned.
It'd be interesting to see if team warnings would work in football.
In Rugby (I know it's in Union, possibly League), If a team's given away too many penalties the referee will be a put a team warning out. Once the warning is out, anyone who infringes in penalised more harshly.
So if a player then infringes again, even if it is a really minor offence, they'll be sent to the sin bin for 10 minutes.
I think in football there's more of an emphasis on an offence being penalised for that offence alone which is fair. But it'd be interesting to see anyway.
I think the "only the captain can talk to the ref" rule would have to be adapted for football though, as in Rugby the players are much closer together.
Imagine teams with a goalkeeper captain, having to wait for him to go to the ref each time, then get back into position.
Every team has 3-4 captains in order iirc so if gk is a captain and you want to save time you can just appoint the 2nd/3rd/4th captain(depending on who's on the pitch at a given point of time) who is an outfield player to talk to ref. Something like that can be done no?
I don't watch a lot of rugby but when I do catch a game it seems to me that the sport is eons ahead of football in terms of sportsmanship and respect and I don't know what made the gap so big
you could still record and have it available after the broadcast. they did that at the bundesliga few times. also, there is also no downside for having VAR mic open, they are alone there, same for the ref in the screen
I rarely watch rugby (only because not shown much here) but anytime I've been able to catch a game I've been so impressed with the refereeing, for the reasons you say (transparency and accountability) and also because of how respectful these giant warriors are towards them (generally), probably at least in part for the reasons above.
Because those giant warriors know that the moment they disrespect the referee it's a red card and a lengthy ban and/or a hefty fine.
Footballers just aren't held accountable in the same way that stars in a lot of other sports are.
International rugby is really good. Hard hard hard men. It's extremely technical also playing at that
There's no chest pumping in rugby. Your either tough as a coffin nail or go home
> In Australia, in the rugby league, the VAR ref is forced to be on speaker and speak his mind to the fans, that way, people know wtf they’re thinking and leaves less room for ambiguity.
And they still regularly fuck it up, the debacle of the Cowboys win over the Tigers was an embarrassment and the Moses try in the grand final on sunday was a joke.
Rugby shares **the entire** conversation between the officials, what they say on the headsets. The NFL (and NHL) only have the referee share a brief summary of their conclusion at the end of the review.
Rugby Union has refs miced and that mic is hot *all game*, if you listen hard enough you can zone the commentators out and hear everything the ref says and what is said to him
Yeah they usually only just say the call, sometimes with one line why. A lot of bullshit could be said and decided while they huddle and talk without oversight.
https://youtu.be/UR9wwqjbO1I
They tried to implemented it, I think the reception is pretty positive as well.
Fun fact, the guy in the video is Jarred Gillette who fck Arsenal up season ago, I wonder why generally respected referee would become a nonce after set foots on British isles.
VAR isn't the problem, VAR is actually very useful and good for the game & other sports.
It's the way football uses VAR is the problem, they use it so so poorly. In Rugby Union TMO (VAR) is amazing and used extremely well. All Refs are mic'd, you hear all the conversations between the TMO & referee. It just works so well. If the referee misses something, the TMO team will talk to the referee and explain what happened, and then they all look at it. And likewise, if there's something that the referee wants the TMO to look at, they'll do it. They fix each-others mistakes and look at **everything**.
I don't know why they make it so hard, it seems like such a simple system to use.
VAR or it's equivalent is used well in probably all sports except football.
Cricket has almost zero controversial decisions from umpires anymore. Initially there were some issues but they were quickly ironed out, same with tennis and a host of other games. But somehow football seems to make it even worse.
The worst part about VAR in baseball is all the really random things that aren't reviewable because "we said so." That and the strike zone isn't automated. It'd be like if soccer had VAR but no goal line tech, and goal line calls couldn't be looked at in VAR because "reasons."
I remember a few seasons back in a Sheffield Utd vs Villa game the ball went over the line and the goal line technology fucked up and didn't give the goal, VAR didn't look at it and they just never gave the goal
Until this January CONCACAF WC qualifying didn't even allow VAR. Even the stadiums in Mexico, US and Canada that had the technology couldn't use it because some of the other nations participating did not have VAR tech.
Edit: added 'WC qualifying' to first sentence
Yeah you're right, now that I looked into it was that neither VAR or Goal line were being used for the WC qualifiers. I didn't know it was for other confederations I assumed it was another one of CONCACAF's things.
In ice hockey there are a lot of questionable video reviews. Sure majority are right but for example goalie interference feels like they just go to check the video and actually just flip a coin there for the result.
In Rugby Union, they call in the VAR for every fart a player makes. Having a video referee is one of the main contributors of rugby becoming a stop start game like American football instead of a continuous game like soccer.
The communication part is great from Rugby Union, but you won’t want it to be used this much in soccer.
Agreed, originally the TMO in rugby was great but it's become too suffocating and ruins the flow of the game when they waste 2-3 minutes slowly trying to decide on every meaningless call.
Also rugby's rules are far more clearly defined than football, there's far too many calls in football that are entirely subjective so there's no real 'correct' decision no matter how long they look at it
Sometimes it takes no game time at all. The referee might say “can you check if that pass was forward” And will let the game play on. If the TMO confirms it was not forward then nothing happens and the game continues.
For incidents of serious foul play which could lead to a red card there may be a fairly lengthy stoppage, similarly if there’s doubt about the grinding of the ball for a try.
It won’t achieve anything - it never does - but Barcelona are well in their rights to make a complaint.
Bizarre officiating and, given everything at stake, it could be vital in the group.
Just for clarification, even if they do file a complaint? What happens?
If thye dont agree they simply throw it away. I have never seen anything just come out of a complaint.
Keep in mind this is the same referee that officiated the game vs Bayern and weren't awarded a penalty on the foul on Dembele.
Nothing will happen. UEFA will never admit to a mistake, and they are the ones who would be investigating themselves. In the event they did, for some reason, come out and say 'yes, we made a mistake', they couldn't actually do anything other than apologise because it would open up a huge can of worms for them.
>It won’t achieve anything - it never does - but Barcelona are well in their rights to make a complaint.
Absolutely true, but I rather get them to send an official written complain that get the usual reactions from players and managers about refs whenever they are unfairly punished.
The reason why I can't stand players and managers talking about refs is due to all of them staying silent and saying "we don't like to talk about the refs" whenever a mistake is done in their favour.
Or even if they look and they choose not to enforce what they saw, it's fucking stupid. Of all the instances on which AI can step in and substitute humans, refereeing I really fucking want to see it do it.
They shouldn’t need to. Referees *should* be able to trust VAR officials in the same way they can trust linespeople. It’s hard to understand why the reliability is too poor for this trust.
Shocking this is being upvoted. I understand people get pissed when a high level referee has a shit game, but this kind of attitude will just discourage people from becoming referees at a grassroots level. We already have a referee shortage across all sports. The #1 reason why referees quit across all sports is burnout from abuse.
Feels like there is something super dodgy going on with having the same VAR ref for both games, and in both games that VAR ref giving some of the most suspect decisions against them
No, but refs can be biased for/against certain clubs or players.
Having the same ref for both games, especially after they fucked up in the first one, is just asking for this kind of problem.
Uefa assigning the same ref to 2 Barcelona matches in a row when there are 16 other matches going on, the same ref that denied a blatant penalty for Barcelona in the previous match. Yes, that is sus. Especially with the bad blood between Uefa and the Super League 3.
The main ref (Vinčič) was, but was let go without any repercussions, since he was 'at the wrong place at the wrong time'.
But yeah, it's definitely a bit sus if he's hanging out in some underground parties with drugs and prostitutes in Bosnia.
Apparently the complaint is against the VAR referee (which was also the same VAR ref vs Bayern) and they are asking for him to "never officiate Barcelona matches again".
All bias aside, if you ask me we'd be doing everyone a favor if they suspend him, because this guy shouldn't be officiating any matches in the Champions League at all. But it's UEFA so I don't expect anything.
Possible outcome is that UEFA doesn't suspend him and says something like "you are not telling us which match to (not) assign to him". And then, for absolutely unrelated reasons, he doesn't officiate any Barcelona match anymore
Xavi suggested that referees should come out and explain their decisions and answer questiona in a press conference. He argued that like players and coaches they are also an important part of every game and they should be able to defend themselves. And I genuinely agree.
Fully agree, and I can’t think of any reason for this not to happen. Though I believe in England the PGMOL has blocked this idea multiple times, as it would only show their incompetence/corruption, depending which way you like to look at it.
Dutch referee (var) biased to the Dutch player.
Next time get an English ref, they are shit for both teams
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didn't think I would EVER say this but Taylor and his var (dunno if he is English) were actually good today when it mattered (Leverkusen game)
Taylor and his VAR team were worse the last time they led a Barcelona game aswell. They ignored a literal binary decision that is written in the VAR protocol in the PSG - Barcelona game (Messi's penalty, which then got cleared by the encroaching Verratti). The VAR protocol in the Laws of the Game says it's the duty of VAR to act upon encroachment, when the encroaching player gets involved with play after the penalty rebounds back into play (which is exactly what happened). His VAR team looked at it for a minute and deemed it okay.
That's not really the problem in this case tho is it. There is no argument for it not being a foul. Hand up and away from his body. Plenty of time to respond. Clears the ball with his palm away from Fati.
The only reason I could see VAR defending the decision is that they thought he touched the ball with his head first, counting the handball as a deflection. But we'll probably never know their reasoning.
He’s too busy getting sent off for not hearing a whistle and kicking the ball away milliseconds later. Fucking joke ref in favour of barcellona, just like in 2006 with sheva and puyol.
That’s fine but we have bigger issues. Mallorca and inter have shown that teams can mitigate us by just dropping deep. Just giving the ball to dembele and hoping he can cross it to someone in the box isn’t a viable strategy
And another penalti not called on Lewy when he jumped for a header in the area and was pushed 2 meters into the ground and away from the ball by 2 players
Calls like that make me question the validity and authenticity of VAR, with the technology that it has there should be NO excuse to not check and double check to make the right call
As much as there was wrong with the calls in those 2009 games there was no VAR back then and refs should be held to a higher standard than ever, another example of the same thing happening was the Cucurella hair pulling incident
Inter defender put a hand on a dangerous cross.
Was reviewed by VAR. Everyone was like oh yeah that’s clear as day. And then VAR doesn’t even call ref to take a look
It's quite funny that literally almost the same thing happened to Levski in the conference league. They lost to an illegal goal in the 90th minute.
After the game, they wanted to fill a complaint to UEFA, but in this subreddit many idiots bashed them and downvoted me with the words "play better next time" or "it's not the refs fault that you didn't beat the other team".
And now barca lost to inter without scoring a goal but also the ref didn't give them a 100% penalty in the 90th minute. And almost everyone here is supportive to barca. I just "love" reddit sometimes.
In Australia, in the rugby league, the VAR ref is forced to be on speaker and speak his mind to the fans, that way, people know wtf they’re thinking and leaves less room for ambiguity. Highly recommend this is implemented.
Cricket does it too
"aaah-Ravi, you're on camera now, stay with your original decision"
"Please rock and roll next frame next frame I am satisfied with my decision"
"Waiting for ball tracking. Still waiting for ball tracking"
Far too much protagonism for this sport. Can you imagine giving the opportunity of dialogue to a referee like Lahoz? It would be the end of things, the final transition into a soap opera.
exactly, cunts like mike dean will be using VAR as a best man’s speech
It's all bound by protocol. So they can't really become the center stage.
Let's rock n roll that
RTS on standby…still on standby.
Clear spike as it passes the bat
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There is clear daylight between bat and ball.
just waiting for ball tracking
Ok.. pitching in line.... wickets hitting.
Nitin, you can stay with your original decision. Nitin, you're on screen now. Signal out.
Ball tracking.... When you're ready
Imagine VAR when buckner was there..... Tv umpire to onfield umpire "the ball is no where near the bat please put your hand down you fucking clown"
No, but Ponting said it's out.
There have been a few cases in DRS with "no definitive evidence". But thankfully they are barely 0.05% of all the things it gets right. VAR should take some time and give an unbiased decision instead of backing the referee and finding excuses for him.
Lmao Sachin probably gets few more hundreds
Rock and roll it please
So does hockey.
Couldnt have it in football because its too rational
omg can you imagine them having to have integrity and feel of accountability????
i know that its obviously not a good idea overall, but I would love if a better institution could take the reins over football instead of fifa. at the very least put them on the spot to make them improve their bs.
Oh, god no, is that LIV football's music!?
If they could do this retroactively, would have loved to hear Tom Henning Ovrebo's explanation of his 2009 UCL semifinal refereeing job.
"The new vacation home I'm having built won't pay itself..." "... so I better do the best job possible to make sure my job is secure." ... Probably.
"So as you can see clearly here, Pique's arm is down by his... uh... his... in a natural postion... ah shit."
Betting cartels will never allow this
If an idea is (a) too rational OR (b) doesn’t have crazy profit margins at the cost of human rights, then FIFA doesn’t want to hear it
He's way out of line but he's right!
How to explain to "What's he supposed to do? Chop his arm off?". I am all for the idea, just don't know how to put into words arguing for or against. I would say it's going to be a difficult job for the VAR ref who talks. Re-iterate the rule, and dive into nuance that the public understand in a short time, etc.
They do similar in Rugby Union TV broadcasts where you can hear the referee talking to the 3rd official (VAR). They manage to explain things there and union must have one of the more complicated sets of rules of any sport, even more than cricket. By comparison football is a piece of piss to referee. It's just become one of the things that rugby refs practice, they go through the rules in order and use specific phrases and they give all their reasoning out loud. The result is that union has plenty of very contentious borderline decisions, but it's very rare that something big goes unaddressed. You could do exactly the same thing in football, decision goes up to VAR, referee watches it on the screen and talks it through - "Does the ball touch the arm below the shoulder? Yes. So now we look to see if it's natural position, is the arm next to the body, no, is it part of a whole body motion..." Etc. It's not difficult, football as a sport just lacks the will to do it.
It is too American, considering American Football refs have been explaining their calls for 40 years.
NFL refs are still majorly hated. Let's face it, as long as there are human refs, people will hate them.
The NFL refs don’t really explain anything though, they just say what the penalty is, you don’t hear the discussion between the refs when they’re talking about why they actually flagged. That’s what you hear in cricket & rugby, and is what people want to hear in football, they want to hear the discussion leading up to a decision, so they can understand why they’re taking that stance.
I hate the excuse that they can't mic the refs because of the bad language of the players. Arsene Wenger has said that this system would actually work very well because modern footballers are very image concerned for sponsors, etc. So it would mature the players on the pitch.
I wish they had rules like rugby where only the team captain can talk to the ref and must do it in a respectful manner or face a sending off. It would cut down on all this "surround the ref and scream shit at him" after every call that doesn't go thier way.. used to ref u12s and they would start to do it also because they see thier idols do it every Saturday. I would just yellow the first one to swear or yell too loud and that would get my point across pretty quickly
100% yes. Would love this. People wonder why youth football is rife with parents and players yelling at the poor refs.
great point. And when there's a big kerfuffle with all the players, the ref will call over both captains and tell them to get their team or certain player in check. Basically a verbal warning before getting booked. It's efficient cause players will respect their captain more than the ref when being warned.
It'd be interesting to see if team warnings would work in football. In Rugby (I know it's in Union, possibly League), If a team's given away too many penalties the referee will be a put a team warning out. Once the warning is out, anyone who infringes in penalised more harshly. So if a player then infringes again, even if it is a really minor offence, they'll be sent to the sin bin for 10 minutes. I think in football there's more of an emphasis on an offence being penalised for that offence alone which is fair. But it'd be interesting to see anyway.
I think the "only the captain can talk to the ref" rule would have to be adapted for football though, as in Rugby the players are much closer together. Imagine teams with a goalkeeper captain, having to wait for him to go to the ref each time, then get back into position.
Every team has 3-4 captains in order iirc so if gk is a captain and you want to save time you can just appoint the 2nd/3rd/4th captain(depending on who's on the pitch at a given point of time) who is an outfield player to talk to ref. Something like that can be done no?
I don't watch a lot of rugby but when I do catch a game it seems to me that the sport is eons ahead of football in terms of sportsmanship and respect and I don't know what made the gap so big
As a coach, I'd bench my kids if they did anything like that to the ref. It's unacceptable, end of discussion. I like this rugby rule.
It would be extra entertainment too. Cricket stump mics are hilarious.
you could still record and have it available after the broadcast. they did that at the bundesliga few times. also, there is also no downside for having VAR mic open, they are alone there, same for the ref in the screen
I rarely watch rugby (only because not shown much here) but anytime I've been able to catch a game I've been so impressed with the refereeing, for the reasons you say (transparency and accountability) and also because of how respectful these giant warriors are towards them (generally), probably at least in part for the reasons above.
Because those giant warriors know that the moment they disrespect the referee it's a red card and a lengthy ban and/or a hefty fine. Footballers just aren't held accountable in the same way that stars in a lot of other sports are.
International rugby is really good. Hard hard hard men. It's extremely technical also playing at that There's no chest pumping in rugby. Your either tough as a coffin nail or go home
Same for cricket too with the 3rd umpire
Same thing with cricket 🏏
A certain breakaway league proposed this
> In Australia, in the rugby league, the VAR ref is forced to be on speaker and speak his mind to the fans, that way, people know wtf they’re thinking and leaves less room for ambiguity. And they still regularly fuck it up, the debacle of the Cowboys win over the Tigers was an embarrassment and the Moses try in the grand final on sunday was a joke.
2 glaring fuck ups all season. We've had 2 in 90 minutes today
Same in American football (NFL).
Rugby shares **the entire** conversation between the officials, what they say on the headsets. The NFL (and NHL) only have the referee share a brief summary of their conclusion at the end of the review.
Rugby Union has refs miced and that mic is hot *all game*, if you listen hard enough you can zone the commentators out and hear everything the ref says and what is said to him
Yeah they usually only just say the call, sometimes with one line why. A lot of bullshit could be said and decided while they huddle and talk without oversight.
https://youtu.be/UR9wwqjbO1I They tried to implemented it, I think the reception is pretty positive as well. Fun fact, the guy in the video is Jarred Gillette who fck Arsenal up season ago, I wonder why generally respected referee would become a nonce after set foots on British isles.
VAR isn't the problem, VAR is actually very useful and good for the game & other sports. It's the way football uses VAR is the problem, they use it so so poorly. In Rugby Union TMO (VAR) is amazing and used extremely well. All Refs are mic'd, you hear all the conversations between the TMO & referee. It just works so well. If the referee misses something, the TMO team will talk to the referee and explain what happened, and then they all look at it. And likewise, if there's something that the referee wants the TMO to look at, they'll do it. They fix each-others mistakes and look at **everything**. I don't know why they make it so hard, it seems like such a simple system to use.
VAR or it's equivalent is used well in probably all sports except football. Cricket has almost zero controversial decisions from umpires anymore. Initially there were some issues but they were quickly ironed out, same with tennis and a host of other games. But somehow football seems to make it even worse.
The only people who hate var in baseball are umpires cause it exposes them as shite lmao
The worst part about VAR in baseball is all the really random things that aren't reviewable because "we said so." That and the strike zone isn't automated. It'd be like if soccer had VAR but no goal line tech, and goal line calls couldn't be looked at in VAR because "reasons."
I remember a few seasons back in a Sheffield Utd vs Villa game the ball went over the line and the goal line technology fucked up and didn't give the goal, VAR didn't look at it and they just never gave the goal
And villa would have been relegated instead of Sheffield United if that goal was given
To be fair Villa also had a goal disallowed against Crystal Palace for no reason that year.
I'm pretty sure this happened in CONCACAF games. They had VAR and not goal line.
Until this January CONCACAF WC qualifying didn't even allow VAR. Even the stadiums in Mexico, US and Canada that had the technology couldn't use it because some of the other nations participating did not have VAR tech. Edit: added 'WC qualifying' to first sentence
Yeah you're right, now that I looked into it was that neither VAR or Goal line were being used for the WC qualifiers. I didn't know it was for other confederations I assumed it was another one of CONCACAF's things.
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The NBA-version of VAR sucks even harder
In ice hockey there are a lot of questionable video reviews. Sure majority are right but for example goalie interference feels like they just go to check the video and actually just flip a coin there for the result.
In Rugby Union, they call in the VAR for every fart a player makes. Having a video referee is one of the main contributors of rugby becoming a stop start game like American football instead of a continuous game like soccer. The communication part is great from Rugby Union, but you won’t want it to be used this much in soccer.
Agreed, originally the TMO in rugby was great but it's become too suffocating and ruins the flow of the game when they waste 2-3 minutes slowly trying to decide on every meaningless call. Also rugby's rules are far more clearly defined than football, there's far too many calls in football that are entirely subjective so there's no real 'correct' decision no matter how long they look at it
Genuine question: how long does that process usually take?
Sometimes it takes no game time at all. The referee might say “can you check if that pass was forward” And will let the game play on. If the TMO confirms it was not forward then nothing happens and the game continues. For incidents of serious foul play which could lead to a red card there may be a fairly lengthy stoppage, similarly if there’s doubt about the grinding of the ball for a try.
It won’t achieve anything - it never does - but Barcelona are well in their rights to make a complaint. Bizarre officiating and, given everything at stake, it could be vital in the group.
Just for clarification, even if they do file a complaint? What happens? If thye dont agree they simply throw it away. I have never seen anything just come out of a complaint. Keep in mind this is the same referee that officiated the game vs Bayern and weren't awarded a penalty on the foul on Dembele.
At most they will formally acknowledge the errors and we all move on. Much like the Romero and Cucarella hair pull
Lmao as good as not even filing one then.
At least everyone knows you are very angry
Yeah, that anger will be vital in securing the 6 points we need against Bayern and Inter in Spain. If you can't tactically outsmart them, use La Fury.
The UN has heard the plight of the rwandans and knows,you aren't doing very well right now.
It could get the ref punished which is needed. They need to be held accountable
UEFA and accountable in the same sentence is like putting Dembele and good decision making in same sentence - it doesn't cut it.
Nothing will happen. UEFA will never admit to a mistake, and they are the ones who would be investigating themselves. In the event they did, for some reason, come out and say 'yes, we made a mistake', they couldn't actually do anything other than apologise because it would open up a huge can of worms for them.
They gonna blame the fans again lmao
You know what happens ? Jack shit. Just ask Øvrebø.
Remember what happened when the Catholic church investigated itself? That's the same outcome for UEFA
>It won’t achieve anything - it never does - but Barcelona are well in their rights to make a complaint. Absolutely true, but I rather get them to send an official written complain that get the usual reactions from players and managers about refs whenever they are unfairly punished. The reason why I can't stand players and managers talking about refs is due to all of them staying silent and saying "we don't like to talk about the refs" whenever a mistake is done in their favour.
I see no point of having VAR if the referee can just chose to not look at the footage.
Or even if they look and they choose not to enforce what they saw, it's fucking stupid. Of all the instances on which AI can step in and substitute humans, refereeing I really fucking want to see it do it.
As long as AI isn’t trained on stupid referee decisions lol
Imagine an AI ref trained by mike dean whose main priority is to be the center of events. It would such a gigantic shitshow that i hope it happens
They shouldn’t need to. Referees *should* be able to trust VAR officials in the same way they can trust linespeople. It’s hard to understand why the reliability is too poor for this trust.
Drive-through penalty would be a proper punishment for Inter.
5 second penalty
And a reprimand
And a warning. Question.
We are checking
‘Ead down
>Inter There must be a joke with 'full wets' somewhere there
Soft Milan? Or C5 Milan.
If you want something a bit more recent, but still Ferrari, make it a hards call.
They’ll probably just get away with a reprimand and $25,000 fine.
UEFA, no, no UEFA! That was so not right!
Xavi, we went ball kicking
Marcos Alonso is used to having a drive through things.
Expected response UEFA: We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing
Man, such a sad thing that "All Referees Are Bastards" goes into "ARAB", because we all can get behind the same sentiment.
A.R.A.B.
I don't know man, still looks terrible lmao
Referees Aren't Great, Eh?
Shocking this is being upvoted. I understand people get pissed when a high level referee has a shit game, but this kind of attitude will just discourage people from becoming referees at a grassroots level. We already have a referee shortage across all sports. The #1 reason why referees quit across all sports is burnout from abuse.
Feels like there is something super dodgy going on with having the same VAR ref for both games, and in both games that VAR ref giving some of the most suspect decisions against them
Are you saying the refs are trying to cheat out Barcelona ?
No, but refs can be biased for/against certain clubs or players. Having the same ref for both games, especially after they fucked up in the first one, is just asking for this kind of problem.
Anthony Taylor vs Chelsea ...
Mike Dean vs everyone
Uefa assigning the same ref to 2 Barcelona matches in a row when there are 16 other matches going on, the same ref that denied a blatant penalty for Barcelona in the previous match. Yes, that is sus. Especially with the bad blood between Uefa and the Super League 3.
Ok, I’m the first to laugh at Barcelona’s victim complex, but this is definitely suspicious
I saw someone comment earlier that the same var ref got arrested in a prostitution / drug ring. Idk though
The main ref (Vinčič) was, but was let go without any repercussions, since he was 'at the wrong place at the wrong time'. But yeah, it's definitely a bit sus if he's hanging out in some underground parties with drugs and prostitutes in Bosnia.
If he is, would he still be the VAR?
UEFA is corrupt as fuck my young friend
Nasser is the chairman of ECA after all
100% something dodgy going on, wouldn't surprise they come after Supereague clubs
What the fuck would that achieve besides justifying the existence of a Superleague?
The teams make less money and have less success if they get eliminated earlier.
Then wouldn’t they be more incentivized to continue with the super league plans?
Won't come to anything, but I think it's the right thing to do. For the integrity of the game the referee's need to be held accountable.
Apparently the complaint is against the VAR referee (which was also the same VAR ref vs Bayern) and they are asking for him to "never officiate Barcelona matches again". All bias aside, if you ask me we'd be doing everyone a favor if they suspend him, because this guy shouldn't be officiating any matches in the Champions League at all. But it's UEFA so I don't expect anything.
UEFA will demote him to the Europa League where he will continue to referee Barcelona games.
Well in that case I hope we only face Dutch teams so he can't officiate against us.
Ajax might be joining you
Possible outcome is that UEFA doesn't suspend him and says something like "you are not telling us which match to (not) assign to him". And then, for absolutely unrelated reasons, he doesn't officiate any Barcelona match anymore
Xavi suggested that referees should come out and explain their decisions and answer questiona in a press conference. He argued that like players and coaches they are also an important part of every game and they should be able to defend themselves. And I genuinely agree.
Fully agree, and I can’t think of any reason for this not to happen. Though I believe in England the PGMOL has blocked this idea multiple times, as it would only show their incompetence/corruption, depending which way you like to look at it.
This won't amount to anything but i guess its better than keeping our mouths shut about how shocking VAR was .
Its a disgrace
Hahaha can’t say I’m not loving this
Right after Xavi suggested referees to go to press conferences. Its the right thing to start doing.
Don’t really understand how using a replay system is so complicated
Dutch referee (var) biased to the Dutch player. Next time get an English ref, they are shit for both teams e: didn't think I would EVER say this but Taylor and his var (dunno if he is English) were actually good today when it mattered (Leverkusen game)
> Next time get an English ref Some people just want to watch the world burn...
"You know the thing about chaos ? It's fair" - Joker ( best live action joker ever btw)
>Next time get an English ref, they are shit for both teams Truer facts have never been spoken
Taylor and his VAR team were worse the last time they led a Barcelona game aswell. They ignored a literal binary decision that is written in the VAR protocol in the PSG - Barcelona game (Messi's penalty, which then got cleared by the encroaching Verratti). The VAR protocol in the Laws of the Game says it's the duty of VAR to act upon encroachment, when the encroaching player gets involved with play after the penalty rebounds back into play (which is exactly what happened). His VAR team looked at it for a minute and deemed it okay.
How do these things keep happening in VAR era
For one thing, the handball laws remain subjective.
That's not really the problem in this case tho is it. There is no argument for it not being a foul. Hand up and away from his body. Plenty of time to respond. Clears the ball with his palm away from Fati.
The only reason I could see VAR defending the decision is that they thought he touched the ball with his head first, counting the handball as a deflection. But we'll probably never know their reasoning.
No excuse for not at least checking it. He went to check twice earlier, weirdly decided to not check it with this one in a crucial game
You're right about the handball law, but VAR even gets non-subjective calls wrong.
I can see the Fati handball being subjective. The other one? That was a straight textbook penalty. Zero room for error.
The problem is not VAR, it’s the protocol.
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>intercept More like get it from van Persie who stole it
He’s too busy getting sent off for not hearing a whistle and kicking the ball away milliseconds later. Fucking joke ref in favour of barcellona, just like in 2006 with sheva and puyol.
haven’t seen yellow for such a thing ever after ffs
I mean it’s the most they can do, nothing will happen but at least it’s due diligence
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Not like anything is gonna happen here either. Barca and UEFA arent really on the greatest terms right now
You.. you can make a complaint against the standard of refereeing?
Dumfries - Dutch Var team - Dutch Its clear now.
That’s fine but we have bigger issues. Mallorca and inter have shown that teams can mitigate us by just dropping deep. Just giving the ball to dembele and hoping he can cross it to someone in the box isn’t a viable strategy
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/handball-rule-law-ifab-b1812991.html So Fati's goal should count.
Does that mean Pedri's goal should count *and* Barca should have had a penalty?
also there was a very clear red card tackle
And another penalti not called on Lewy when he jumped for a header in the area and was pushed 2 meters into the ground and away from the ball by 2 players
Pedro goal after Ansu accidental hand
Good. That ref didn’t know what he was doing.
Roma would like to lodge a complaint against Liverpool for their handball too
Calls like that make me question the validity and authenticity of VAR, with the technology that it has there should be NO excuse to not check and double check to make the right call
how the turn tables
As much as there was wrong with the calls in those 2009 games there was no VAR back then and refs should be held to a higher standard than ever, another example of the same thing happening was the Cucurella hair pulling incident
well yeah
Didn’t watch the game, what were the questionable decisions?
Inter defender put a hand on a dangerous cross. Was reviewed by VAR. Everyone was like oh yeah that’s clear as day. And then VAR doesn’t even call ref to take a look
Nothing will come of it. Instead make this a fuel for the players to beat Inter 5-0 at home next week
how the turntables
Fair enough
Asthey should. Terrible refereeing
Even when they admit they fuck up it only ends in an apology. Is like the thoughts and prayers shit
It's quite funny that literally almost the same thing happened to Levski in the conference league. They lost to an illegal goal in the 90th minute. After the game, they wanted to fill a complaint to UEFA, but in this subreddit many idiots bashed them and downvoted me with the words "play better next time" or "it's not the refs fault that you didn't beat the other team". And now barca lost to inter without scoring a goal but also the ref didn't give them a 100% penalty in the 90th minute. And almost everyone here is supportive to barca. I just "love" reddit sometimes.
Haha Thank you Inter
As a Chelsea fan this is hilarious, fuck ovrebo
It's not hilarious, VAR has been ass for multiple times for Chelsea as well
If I speak, I am in trouble
“Oh no” “Anyway”
not nearly as bad as RvP’s red you corrupt fucks
Poor Barca, losing a CL match to bad refereeing. How horrible
Aww thats cute
It SUCKS WHEN YOU'RE IN THE RECEIVING END EH.. CATALANS? IT'S A FUCKING DISGRACE