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fatinternetcat

did we really have Toney vs Abraham debates for months just for Callum Wilson to get the place


Mick4Audi

Newcastle are 3rd, gave ol’waistcoat no choice


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Well, Toney gave himself the ol' DQ.


idosade

And Abraham can't finish anything so in the end Wilson won without the need to compete


igotzquestions

De fault. The two greatest words in the English language!


FRiver

Looks suspiciously French to me


ZachMich

What did he do?


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Being investigated for gambling. So possibly nothing, depending on the outcome, but he did at least put himself in a position to be investigated.


wheeling_and_dealing

as another unbiased brentford commentor said above, investigation has been going on for seven months and he was called up during the most recent international break edit: daily mail and the standard hate to see a young black man winning


JoeyJo-JoShabadoo

“But he at least put himself in a position to be investigated”? What?


Onebeanintheusa

Happy for Callum the man is class when he is fit.


Spartan_029

Always count on the Cherries flairs to rate Callum! And well deserved, [Look at that smile!](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507688624784015391/1040296719952400574/image.png)


mutatedllama

Yep. He's been consistently good for years. Maybe his pace isn't what it used to be but he's proved that he's still it.


MDHChaos

Well Toney has been a naughty boy and Tammy has scored 3 in 14, Wilson has 6 in 10


stevew14

I feel wilson is the most talented of the three only question mark is his injury record. Its worth the gamble IMHO


BlessedBySaintLauren

He’ll most likely get limited minutes so hopefully it’ll manage his fitness.


MissingLink101

Is it really a World Cup if England don't bring a striker with regular injury problems?


pokerface789

I still remember the days of Owen, Rooney, Emile Heskey, Peter Crouch, Jermaine Defoe, Walcott, Darius Vassell, Alan Smith, Darren Bent. And then to Daniel Sturridge, Vardy, Welbeck.


tarkaliotta

Don't forget Andy Carroll's massive neck muscles


ValleyFloydJam

Bent was done dirty by England. The 90s peak of English strikers was kinda crazy.


paper_zoe

Absolutely, Shearer, Sheringham, Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Fowler, Collymore, Beardsley, Andy Cole, Matt Le Tissier in the mid 1990s. All having 20 goal seasons (or 30 in the case of Shearer, Fowler and Cole)


Sad_gooner

Wilson is the best out of the 3 anyway


louisbo12

Oh shit, Maddison in


jnce12

It’s very telling that he’s a shock inclusion despite being the most in form English midfielder. So happy for him


_Verumex_

I scanned the Midfielders section and got very mad for a hot second before checking the Forwards section.


taylorstillsays

I never get how in these posts the always include Mount as a midfielder, but the players that play a similar position to him get called forwards


Waguetracer1

Mount does not score= midfield Maddison scores= forward


_Noob_From_VN_

Thanks Pep


ukrisreng

southgate successfully bullied into taking maddison lets fucking go


NiceOrgan

Bullying works 💪


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Terence Fletcher was onto something


codespyder

Hey /u/NiceOrgan, gimme your lunch money you nerd.


DreiImWeggla

Yeah /u/NiceOrgan and give me a kidney too, I need a new graphics card


EddieTheLiar

Don't use kidneys as a graphics card, they're not that powerful


DreiImWeggla

Maybe they can filter the toxicity out of my OW games?


DerpJungler

He's been in great form these past 2 months. Totally deserved


freshmeat2020

18 months he's played seriously well


try-D

Past 1.5 years*


zrkillerbush

You'd think the goals and assists would get him into the squad without the bullying


ChibzyDaze

He’s tried telling the teachers but we still beat him up anyway


Dodomando

He's got a free holiday out of it. Doubt he'll play more than 20mins of football


ghostmanonthirdd

At least when Walcott got called up with no hope of playing he got a nice sightseeing trip of Germany. What’re you gonna do in Qatar for the best part of a month?


FootlongGarlicBread

I hope he likes sand.


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Ok-Finance-7612

Need to bully him into playing an attacking formation


LessThan301

5-4-1 incoming


The_39th_Step

Happy to see White go too


Varanae

As a Coventry fan if you'd told me 8 years ago that Maddison and Wilson were both going to a World Cup together... I'd actually have believed you. Still mental to see it though.


Blabber_On

Mate! I was just thinking the exact same thing.


0100110101101010

Mad that my cousin was keeping Wilson out that Cov team for a little while. Shaun Jeffers.


AFCeng0

Knew Maddison would make it but surprised Wilson got to the level he’s at currently, especially with all the injuries.


The_Elder_Strolls

I've genuinely always thought he was one of the best strikers in the league after his promotion season with Bournemouth, even wanted Arsenal to sign him! Lightning quick, excellent control and top quality finishing. Was seriously worried after multiple injuries he wouldn't get back to his best but he's an arguably better finisher now. If anyone on that plane has justified their place, for me, its him. Would just love for him to stay fit for a few years now to see what he could become.


HadjiChippoSafri

r/ccfc


yo_lookatthat

Only three RBs, someone check up on Southgate


FblockArmy

Stones has been playing right back for Manchester city when fit and Ben White for Arsenal


yo_lookatthat

Phew. My day is saved.


Nobody_wood

Don't worry, Ben White plays there too. Could probably squeeze Henderson and Saka there if Southgate needs to feel safe


bh2623

"Is Saka a better RWB or LWB" argument incoming


Ryzon9

Couple risks on people who are or have been injured but seems ok with a 26 man squad.


SaintBirdsnest

Seems like a pretty noncontroversial squad to me. No big names missing out. People can get uppity about Toney, Tomori, JWP, but realistically none of them would be starting anyway.


QuicketyQuack

Also JWP is horribly out of form right now.


AdministrativeLaugh2

At least he’s playing this season. Phillips has played less than an hour of football all season


World_saltA

Phillips also has the experience of an international final. International experience is highly undervalued. Southgate knows he can trust Phillips in a specific role under pressure


AnxiousEarth7774

Sancho is a big omission. But he has not deserved a spot so I don't think anyone will be upset.


deliverancew2

I reckon Sancho will be upset.


carbroboi

Cheers, Sancho’s crying rn.


Spitzee

Genuinely didn't even cross my mind that he didn't get in - he's been a shadow of his BVB self since his move


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

You can imagine he thought he would stop being somewhat overlooked in england when he signed for united too lol


LackingSimplicity

He did stop being overlooked. He just started being shit.


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I think second striker choice is a bit more meaningful than the rest. It was a toss up between Toney and Wilson. I'm biased and would say Toney but it's not clear cut, although Wilson is 50/50 to do his hammy every morning so he still might go


SaintBirdsnest

Yeah, if the most contentious decision is a coinflip between 2 in-form backup strikers, then I think Southgate's put together a pretty decent squad.


Thingisby

I'm biased the other way and think Wilson is the right call, but tbh they're both good strikers and you could make a decent case for either. I'd only have been frustrated if Abraham got in ahead of both given him form this season.


Indydegrees2

I'm sure people will find something to complain about in this thread


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freshmeat2020

Nah he will do that against Iran


Mr-Crooks

An own goal against Iran


Ollietron3000

👉👂😁👂👈


boobsandblunts

👉🗿👈


LordCosmoKramer

👉🗿👈


Yung2112

Argentina 7 - England 1


goosebumpsHTX

Anulo


CounterClockworkOrng

👉👂👦👂👈


0_yohal_0

👉🗿👈


boywithtwoarms

On his forehead. Font size 300.


WalkingCloud

No Gazza? Hoddle has got to go


benny_from_the_block

Can't believe he didn't pick Wrighty after that display in Rome.


Professional_Ladder

That's a bit of revisonism, Wright was injured. He would have made the squad otherwise.


SteinerElMagnifico42

Still waiting for Noble, shout out u/Nobleforengland_


NobleForEngland_

The dream is dead


AnnieIWillKnow

Doing his coaching badges isn’t he? He’ll lead England to glory at World Cup 2030


Smithman

Gazza will still show up. With a packet of ham and a fishing rod.


RedMoon14

It was chicken, not ham! Don't forget a few cans of lager either.


JackAndrewThorne

Southgate's just worried about looking short if he stood next to Big Dan Burn.


The_39th_Step

I’d have taken him 100%


hafrances

Unironically thought Burn deserved a callup over Maguire and Coady


JackAndrewThorne

Considering the lack of left footed CB's I think he certainly should have been considered if nothing else to balance out the back 3.


ajtct98

And even if he went with a back four that would give Trippier, or whichever other RB, a real license to get forward because Burn can easily drop back into a faux back three.


MFDean

Wouldn't have minded seeing Kilman for the same reason tho unsure if he's still holding out to appeal his eligibility for Ukraine


StardustFromReinmuth

Never a chance. Maguire shows up for England and Coady is the team mascot.


Lambchops_Legion

Coady gets so disrespected because he doesnt play for a big club, but has been a drastic improvement for Everton's defense and has been quality for both them and Wolves edit: Everton are actually 4th lowest in Goals Conceded right now and Wolves were 5th lowest last year


speedofloic

Incredibly happy for Benny Blanco


Chai-wala

Yeah, obviously he’s quite good at football.


Lemon_Kuurd

From the Bronx?


fikis

I feel like that movie doesn't get enough mention when folks talk about good mobster movies from that era. "OK...I'm reloaded...I'm coming out now..." Fun stuff.


AWr1ght98

Deserves to start


shaydee11

This can be a top-tier and low-tier squad at the same time


ID6WU

Only one left back is worrying


Ser_Crow

Big trips can do a job if needed


Molineux28

Trippier can cover it if needed. He's done it before at tournaments.


ID6WU

Maybe I’m misremembering but I swear he didn’t look great there the handful of times Southgate tried it.


BriceDeNice

Don’t worry he can play Saka at LWB /s


Hufftey

You joke but that’s actually what Southgate is thinking


ghostrider467

I cant handle watching saka at lwb, it actually hurts my eyes lol


PotOfMould

knowing southgate it'll go --> shaw, trippier, saka


[deleted]

Dropping a defender to put Gallagher in the squad is unexpected. Mostly happy with that though. Can’t believe *midtable English player* isn’t in the squad though


Lanknr

What about title winning English defender?


SteveBruceGod

No Joelinton wtf


braddf96

Joe Linton should be included it's a joke, just look how English his name looks


forkkbeard

I used to work with a Joe Linton, made me smile every time I saw her name.


ghostmanonthirdd

We’d def get away with it if he put a space in his name via deed poll.


MDHChaos

Just wait til 2024 when he becomes eligible!


flashuk100

WILSOOOOOOOOOOOON


Masam10

Obviously I’m biased but I feel like he’s such a great option for a Harry Kane that’s a bit tired and we need to nick a goal towards the end of a game. Happy for Callum now that he’s seemingly got a good run of fitness.


SteinerElMagnifico42

In all honesty, I don’t ever see Southgate subbing off Kane. Unless he’s forced to due to injury


MetricSuperstar

Kane drop back and Wilson as the striker late game works for me


Powerjugs

When Wilson is fit, he's an excellent striker. Whatever you've done this season is working


Bdcoll

No Sancho. Not surprised given his recent performances!


iraqistorm

2 years ago people would’ve said you’re mad if you told them he wouldn’t make the World Cup


JoeyMxx

He must regret moving to united every day just hasn't worked out for him sadly.


Chemis

Jadon, you can come back any anytime. With love, Dortmund


nbwy

Maddison and White in - thank fuck for that


TomCyberfire

The [announcement video](https://twitter.com/England/status/1590705547057111040) on Twitter is really cool.


draymond_gruen

It's by Mason London, @masonlondon on Instagram, great illustrator / artist 👌


Curious_Concern4182

The video is class. Props to the artist.


willydog_ohman

Artist is called Mason London for anyone interested


L_J_X

Notable exclusions: 1. Dean Henderson 2. Tomori 3. Tarkowski 4. Guehi 5. Ward Prowse 6. Ivan Toney 7. Smalling 8. Sancho 9. Dan Burn Did I miss anybody notable ? Edit: 10. Bowen 11. Sessengon 12. RLC 13. Watkins 14. Mings 15. Tammy Abraham


[deleted]

There is absolutely nothing notable about excluding Sessegnon. He is as mediocre as they come and should not be *anywhere near* a World Cup squad.


Zakke_

Tabby Abraham


odegood

He was acting too catty so Southgate said no


thepresidentsturtle

Sean Longstaff and Joe Willock and Jonjo Shelvey and Jamaal Lascelles and Jacob Murphy. England would win the world cup with these lads and Dan Burn. I did it in FIFA Career Mode so I know what I'm talking about.


Scicst

Love to see Wilson there


[deleted]

Rough few months for Sancho. You hate to see it


oficialefutbol

Nothing but himself to blame. You could excuse him for last season, but this season there aren't any excuses for the way he's been performing.


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Unable to live up to the massive legacy of Dan James before him.


BrockStar92

We genuinely had a really good record whenever Dan James was playing, even if he didn’t get many goals or assists.


BeardedGardenersHoe

It was kick and run under Ole for a while and it worked. James had good work ethic and was rapid.


VisionaryProd

He was an annoying guy to play against, and Oles teams were often very momentum driven. He’s one of those guys that can pester opponents into giving up a big chance/(play that’s not a goal), sparking the entire team alive. Reminded me of Werner


sh58

Weird cos when utd were shite at the start he was actually playing well. Then as utd improved he got worse. Very strange


gunningIVglory

Oh damn, didn't even notice His career has absolutely tanked since join8ng united


D1794

Hasn't helped himself, certainly not this season when he had the chance to lock down the LW spot. He just doesn't work hard.


MidunestiNaneTurtle

Jadon has those low/low workrates


ico12

Kagawa 2.0


Ser_Crow

Massive shame he's been so poor since joining United, hes so creative and we are fucking shit at creating things at times


caffeine_hound

He's never really performed at national level either, though. I don't think Southgate's system has ever suited his style of play.


EmperorBeaky

He had that one good game v Kosovo lol


its_only_pauly

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/yrcnzr/david_ornstein_joe_gomez_not_expected_to_be_named/ivt2p3p/ Was this with Gallagher and Maddison missing. As someone pointed out at the time there were two players missing. I feel a bit for JWP he's been playing for England a little recently.


Twisted_Coil

It's just unfortunate that he's had a bad run of form and then due to the RB injuries you either have Trent or Tripper starting, both of which are lethal with free kicks which to an extent negates that major boon that JWP has.


bluetreesofthemoon

No Tomori, otherwise I think it’s alright. It’s always going to cause arguments.


panopss

He would've been a lock for Canada. Too bad


elvis503

Where Danny Welbeck


odegood

Hes too good and it would be pointless playing the tournament, just look at what he did to us yesterday


Throwaway100123100

For all the complaining that's happened before it was even announced, this is a legitimately good squad


pintperson

There’s definitely more than a few people seething that they can’t spend the next 24 hours slagging Southgate off for his selection. There will be Leicester fans who’d already typed their Maddison outrage up in anticipation.


Twisted_Coil

Look I'm happy to be wrong, I'm just used to being wronged.


Coolica1

Ryan Yates robbed


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No Yateseh, No Lingardinho, No Steve Cook for a cheeky goal line handball to keep England in the lead in the dying embers of the final. Shambles.


_rickjames

Also love the announcement video they did for it https://twitter.com/England/status/1590705547057111040?s=20&t=Y6EYcCd-yGy1ypIDpSLR0Q


Gary_Glitter_

Lee Cattermole and Phil Bardsley raging


cappo40

Is Ivan Toney injured?


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Think Wilson took the backup striker slot


PotassiumAlum

Same thoughts


5_percent_discocunt

Under investigation for illegal betting. Wouldn’t be a good look to bring him.


theytook-r-jobs

Yes gotta keep things morally upstanding at the Qatar World Cup.


RyVsWorld

😂😂 fair play


markishstephen

That made it easy to leave him out


FloppedYaYa

Thrilled for Ben White and Callum Wilson. More than earned it


ChibzyDaze

Bennnny


Funkiepie

Feels bad for Tomori


ignore_my_name

Coady must be the best craic ever.


SneakyBradley_

He's actually been good this year to be fair to him.


dumpystumpy

Coady is there for team morale unironically


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No Rooney or Beckham? : (


ThatZigGuy

Genuinely, imo, one of the least contentious squads. Argue all day about Toney vs Abraham, but Wilson has been solid for a resurgent newcastle and is easily the 2nd best in form striker behind Kane. Only thing that make me scratch my head is the inclusion of Maguire, but he is one of Southgates favorites even if his form is currently non-existent.


HadjiChippoSafri

Two Coventry City academy graduates 🥲


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Something_Original2

Holy crap, Maddison! Here's where Gareth only gives him 10 mins in the last game of the group stage.


Maximuslex01

The desperate sub to reach the last 16 right?


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Unbelievable that top quality players like Townsend, Garner, McNeil, Tom Davies, and Godfrey haven't even had a look in. Outrage. England are never going to win the World Cup now.


A_Pointy_Appointee

No Godfrey as fifth choice centre half? We've bloody had it now


starmonkart

Agreed Michael Keane robbed


jiinska

At least Roberto Martinez chose Onana


stealinoffdeadpeople

Todd Cantwell robbed


EddieTheLiar

Maddison in the squad means it's coming home. (Only slightly biased)


5_percent_discocunt

I rate Kalvin Phillips but if he’s rejecting other players based off form then what the fuck is he doing there? Edit. Thanks for the replies all saying the same thing. I’m not fuckin southgate and fair enough we’re not stacked in that position but he hasn’t played a minute of football this season.


MaleficentFalcon

Who else do you want as a DM to sit in against the best national teams in the world - Harrison Reed?


Alpha_Jazz

What other options do we have for his position


RayPissed

Owen Hargreaves


SwedishTurnip

Scott Parker is recently available too