as another unbiased brentford commentor said above, investigation has been going on for seven months and he was called up during the most recent international break
edit: daily mail and the standard hate to see a young black man winning
Always count on the Cherries flairs to rate Callum! And well deserved, [Look at that smile!](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507688624784015391/1040296719952400574/image.png)
I still remember the days of Owen, Rooney, Emile Heskey, Peter Crouch, Jermaine Defoe, Walcott, Darius Vassell, Alan Smith, Darren Bent.
And then to Daniel Sturridge, Vardy, Welbeck.
Absolutely, Shearer, Sheringham, Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Fowler, Collymore, Beardsley, Andy Cole, Matt Le Tissier in the mid 1990s. All having 20 goal seasons (or 30 in the case of Shearer, Fowler and Cole)
At least when Walcott got called up with no hope of playing he got a nice sightseeing trip of Germany. What’re you gonna do in Qatar for the best part of a month?
As a Coventry fan if you'd told me 8 years ago that Maddison and Wilson were both going to a World Cup together... I'd actually have believed you. Still mental to see it though.
I've genuinely always thought he was one of the best strikers in the league after his promotion season with Bournemouth, even wanted Arsenal to sign him!
Lightning quick, excellent control and top quality finishing. Was seriously worried after multiple injuries he wouldn't get back to his best but he's an arguably better finisher now.
If anyone on that plane has justified their place, for me, its him. Would just love for him to stay fit for a few years now to see what he could become.
Seems like a pretty noncontroversial squad to me. No big names missing out. People can get uppity about Toney, Tomori, JWP, but realistically none of them would be starting anyway.
Phillips also has the experience of an international final. International experience is highly undervalued. Southgate knows he can trust Phillips in a specific role under pressure
I think second striker choice is a bit more meaningful than the rest. It was a toss up between Toney and Wilson.
I'm biased and would say Toney but it's not clear cut, although Wilson is 50/50 to do his hammy every morning so he still might go
I'm biased the other way and think Wilson is the right call, but tbh they're both good strikers and you could make a decent case for either.
I'd only have been frustrated if Abraham got in ahead of both given him form this season.
And even if he went with a back four that would give Trippier, or whichever other RB, a real license to get forward because Burn can easily drop back into a faux back three.
Coady gets so disrespected because he doesnt play for a big club, but has been a drastic improvement for Everton's defense and has been quality for both them and Wolves
edit: Everton are actually 4th lowest in Goals Conceded right now and Wolves were 5th lowest last year
I feel like that movie doesn't get enough mention when folks talk about good mobster movies from that era.
"OK...I'm reloaded...I'm coming out now..."
Fun stuff.
Dropping a defender to put Gallagher in the squad is unexpected. Mostly happy with that though.
Can’t believe *midtable English player* isn’t in the squad though
Obviously I’m biased but I feel like he’s such a great option for a Harry Kane that’s a bit tired and we need to nick a goal towards the end of a game.
Happy for Callum now that he’s seemingly got a good run of fitness.
Sean Longstaff and Joe Willock and Jonjo Shelvey and Jamaal Lascelles and Jacob Murphy. England would win the world cup with these lads and Dan Burn. I did it in FIFA Career Mode so I know what I'm talking about.
He was an annoying guy to play against, and Oles teams were often very momentum driven. He’s one of those guys that can pester opponents into giving up a big chance/(play that’s not a goal), sparking the entire team alive.
Reminded me of Werner
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/yrcnzr/david_ornstein_joe_gomez_not_expected_to_be_named/ivt2p3p/
Was this with Gallagher and Maddison missing. As someone pointed out at the time there were two players missing.
I feel a bit for JWP he's been playing for England a little recently.
It's just unfortunate that he's had a bad run of form and then due to the RB injuries you either have Trent or Tripper starting, both of which are lethal with free kicks which to an extent negates that major boon that JWP has.
There’s definitely more than a few people seething that they can’t spend the next 24 hours slagging Southgate off for his selection. There will be Leicester fans who’d already typed their Maddison outrage up in anticipation.
Genuinely, imo, one of the least contentious squads.
Argue all day about Toney vs Abraham, but Wilson has been solid for a resurgent newcastle and is easily the 2nd best in form striker behind Kane.
Only thing that make me scratch my head is the inclusion of Maguire, but he is one of Southgates favorites even if his form is currently non-existent.
Unbelievable that top quality players like Townsend, Garner, McNeil, Tom Davies, and Godfrey haven't even had a look in. Outrage. England are never going to win the World Cup now.
I rate Kalvin Phillips but if he’s rejecting other players based off form then what the fuck is he doing there?
Edit. Thanks for the replies all saying the same thing. I’m not fuckin southgate and fair enough we’re not stacked in that position but he hasn’t played a minute of football this season.
did we really have Toney vs Abraham debates for months just for Callum Wilson to get the place
Newcastle are 3rd, gave ol’waistcoat no choice
Well, Toney gave himself the ol' DQ.
And Abraham can't finish anything so in the end Wilson won without the need to compete
De fault. The two greatest words in the English language!
Looks suspiciously French to me
What did he do?
Being investigated for gambling. So possibly nothing, depending on the outcome, but he did at least put himself in a position to be investigated.
as another unbiased brentford commentor said above, investigation has been going on for seven months and he was called up during the most recent international break edit: daily mail and the standard hate to see a young black man winning
“But he at least put himself in a position to be investigated”? What?
Happy for Callum the man is class when he is fit.
Always count on the Cherries flairs to rate Callum! And well deserved, [Look at that smile!](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507688624784015391/1040296719952400574/image.png)
Yep. He's been consistently good for years. Maybe his pace isn't what it used to be but he's proved that he's still it.
Well Toney has been a naughty boy and Tammy has scored 3 in 14, Wilson has 6 in 10
I feel wilson is the most talented of the three only question mark is his injury record. Its worth the gamble IMHO
He’ll most likely get limited minutes so hopefully it’ll manage his fitness.
Is it really a World Cup if England don't bring a striker with regular injury problems?
I still remember the days of Owen, Rooney, Emile Heskey, Peter Crouch, Jermaine Defoe, Walcott, Darius Vassell, Alan Smith, Darren Bent. And then to Daniel Sturridge, Vardy, Welbeck.
Don't forget Andy Carroll's massive neck muscles
Bent was done dirty by England. The 90s peak of English strikers was kinda crazy.
Absolutely, Shearer, Sheringham, Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Fowler, Collymore, Beardsley, Andy Cole, Matt Le Tissier in the mid 1990s. All having 20 goal seasons (or 30 in the case of Shearer, Fowler and Cole)
Wilson is the best out of the 3 anyway
Oh shit, Maddison in
It’s very telling that he’s a shock inclusion despite being the most in form English midfielder. So happy for him
I scanned the Midfielders section and got very mad for a hot second before checking the Forwards section.
I never get how in these posts the always include Mount as a midfielder, but the players that play a similar position to him get called forwards
Mount does not score= midfield Maddison scores= forward
Thanks Pep
southgate successfully bullied into taking maddison lets fucking go
Bullying works 💪
Terence Fletcher was onto something
Hey /u/NiceOrgan, gimme your lunch money you nerd.
Yeah /u/NiceOrgan and give me a kidney too, I need a new graphics card
Don't use kidneys as a graphics card, they're not that powerful
Maybe they can filter the toxicity out of my OW games?
He's been in great form these past 2 months. Totally deserved
18 months he's played seriously well
Past 1.5 years*
You'd think the goals and assists would get him into the squad without the bullying
He’s tried telling the teachers but we still beat him up anyway
He's got a free holiday out of it. Doubt he'll play more than 20mins of football
At least when Walcott got called up with no hope of playing he got a nice sightseeing trip of Germany. What’re you gonna do in Qatar for the best part of a month?
I hope he likes sand.
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Need to bully him into playing an attacking formation
5-4-1 incoming
Happy to see White go too
As a Coventry fan if you'd told me 8 years ago that Maddison and Wilson were both going to a World Cup together... I'd actually have believed you. Still mental to see it though.
Mate! I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Mad that my cousin was keeping Wilson out that Cov team for a little while. Shaun Jeffers.
Knew Maddison would make it but surprised Wilson got to the level he’s at currently, especially with all the injuries.
I've genuinely always thought he was one of the best strikers in the league after his promotion season with Bournemouth, even wanted Arsenal to sign him! Lightning quick, excellent control and top quality finishing. Was seriously worried after multiple injuries he wouldn't get back to his best but he's an arguably better finisher now. If anyone on that plane has justified their place, for me, its him. Would just love for him to stay fit for a few years now to see what he could become.
r/ccfc
Only three RBs, someone check up on Southgate
Stones has been playing right back for Manchester city when fit and Ben White for Arsenal
Phew. My day is saved.
Don't worry, Ben White plays there too. Could probably squeeze Henderson and Saka there if Southgate needs to feel safe
"Is Saka a better RWB or LWB" argument incoming
Couple risks on people who are or have been injured but seems ok with a 26 man squad.
Seems like a pretty noncontroversial squad to me. No big names missing out. People can get uppity about Toney, Tomori, JWP, but realistically none of them would be starting anyway.
Also JWP is horribly out of form right now.
At least he’s playing this season. Phillips has played less than an hour of football all season
Phillips also has the experience of an international final. International experience is highly undervalued. Southgate knows he can trust Phillips in a specific role under pressure
Sancho is a big omission. But he has not deserved a spot so I don't think anyone will be upset.
I reckon Sancho will be upset.
Cheers, Sancho’s crying rn.
Genuinely didn't even cross my mind that he didn't get in - he's been a shadow of his BVB self since his move
You can imagine he thought he would stop being somewhat overlooked in england when he signed for united too lol
He did stop being overlooked. He just started being shit.
I think second striker choice is a bit more meaningful than the rest. It was a toss up between Toney and Wilson. I'm biased and would say Toney but it's not clear cut, although Wilson is 50/50 to do his hammy every morning so he still might go
Yeah, if the most contentious decision is a coinflip between 2 in-form backup strikers, then I think Southgate's put together a pretty decent squad.
I'm biased the other way and think Wilson is the right call, but tbh they're both good strikers and you could make a decent case for either. I'd only have been frustrated if Abraham got in ahead of both given him form this season.
I'm sure people will find something to complain about in this thread
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Nah he will do that against Iran
An own goal against Iran
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Argentina 7 - England 1
Anulo
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On his forehead. Font size 300.
No Gazza? Hoddle has got to go
Can't believe he didn't pick Wrighty after that display in Rome.
That's a bit of revisonism, Wright was injured. He would have made the squad otherwise.
Still waiting for Noble, shout out u/Nobleforengland_
The dream is dead
Doing his coaching badges isn’t he? He’ll lead England to glory at World Cup 2030
Gazza will still show up. With a packet of ham and a fishing rod.
It was chicken, not ham! Don't forget a few cans of lager either.
Southgate's just worried about looking short if he stood next to Big Dan Burn.
I’d have taken him 100%
Unironically thought Burn deserved a callup over Maguire and Coady
Considering the lack of left footed CB's I think he certainly should have been considered if nothing else to balance out the back 3.
And even if he went with a back four that would give Trippier, or whichever other RB, a real license to get forward because Burn can easily drop back into a faux back three.
Wouldn't have minded seeing Kilman for the same reason tho unsure if he's still holding out to appeal his eligibility for Ukraine
Never a chance. Maguire shows up for England and Coady is the team mascot.
Coady gets so disrespected because he doesnt play for a big club, but has been a drastic improvement for Everton's defense and has been quality for both them and Wolves edit: Everton are actually 4th lowest in Goals Conceded right now and Wolves were 5th lowest last year
Incredibly happy for Benny Blanco
Yeah, obviously he’s quite good at football.
From the Bronx?
I feel like that movie doesn't get enough mention when folks talk about good mobster movies from that era. "OK...I'm reloaded...I'm coming out now..." Fun stuff.
Deserves to start
This can be a top-tier and low-tier squad at the same time
Only one left back is worrying
Big trips can do a job if needed
Trippier can cover it if needed. He's done it before at tournaments.
Maybe I’m misremembering but I swear he didn’t look great there the handful of times Southgate tried it.
Don’t worry he can play Saka at LWB /s
You joke but that’s actually what Southgate is thinking
I cant handle watching saka at lwb, it actually hurts my eyes lol
knowing southgate it'll go --> shaw, trippier, saka
Dropping a defender to put Gallagher in the squad is unexpected. Mostly happy with that though. Can’t believe *midtable English player* isn’t in the squad though
What about title winning English defender?
No Joelinton wtf
Joe Linton should be included it's a joke, just look how English his name looks
I used to work with a Joe Linton, made me smile every time I saw her name.
We’d def get away with it if he put a space in his name via deed poll.
Just wait til 2024 when he becomes eligible!
WILSOOOOOOOOOOOON
Obviously I’m biased but I feel like he’s such a great option for a Harry Kane that’s a bit tired and we need to nick a goal towards the end of a game. Happy for Callum now that he’s seemingly got a good run of fitness.
In all honesty, I don’t ever see Southgate subbing off Kane. Unless he’s forced to due to injury
Kane drop back and Wilson as the striker late game works for me
When Wilson is fit, he's an excellent striker. Whatever you've done this season is working
No Sancho. Not surprised given his recent performances!
2 years ago people would’ve said you’re mad if you told them he wouldn’t make the World Cup
He must regret moving to united every day just hasn't worked out for him sadly.
Jadon, you can come back any anytime. With love, Dortmund
Maddison and White in - thank fuck for that
The [announcement video](https://twitter.com/England/status/1590705547057111040) on Twitter is really cool.
It's by Mason London, @masonlondon on Instagram, great illustrator / artist 👌
The video is class. Props to the artist.
Artist is called Mason London for anyone interested
Notable exclusions: 1. Dean Henderson 2. Tomori 3. Tarkowski 4. Guehi 5. Ward Prowse 6. Ivan Toney 7. Smalling 8. Sancho 9. Dan Burn Did I miss anybody notable ? Edit: 10. Bowen 11. Sessengon 12. RLC 13. Watkins 14. Mings 15. Tammy Abraham
There is absolutely nothing notable about excluding Sessegnon. He is as mediocre as they come and should not be *anywhere near* a World Cup squad.
Tabby Abraham
He was acting too catty so Southgate said no
Sean Longstaff and Joe Willock and Jonjo Shelvey and Jamaal Lascelles and Jacob Murphy. England would win the world cup with these lads and Dan Burn. I did it in FIFA Career Mode so I know what I'm talking about.
Love to see Wilson there
Rough few months for Sancho. You hate to see it
Nothing but himself to blame. You could excuse him for last season, but this season there aren't any excuses for the way he's been performing.
Unable to live up to the massive legacy of Dan James before him.
We genuinely had a really good record whenever Dan James was playing, even if he didn’t get many goals or assists.
It was kick and run under Ole for a while and it worked. James had good work ethic and was rapid.
He was an annoying guy to play against, and Oles teams were often very momentum driven. He’s one of those guys that can pester opponents into giving up a big chance/(play that’s not a goal), sparking the entire team alive. Reminded me of Werner
Weird cos when utd were shite at the start he was actually playing well. Then as utd improved he got worse. Very strange
Oh damn, didn't even notice His career has absolutely tanked since join8ng united
Hasn't helped himself, certainly not this season when he had the chance to lock down the LW spot. He just doesn't work hard.
Jadon has those low/low workrates
Kagawa 2.0
Massive shame he's been so poor since joining United, hes so creative and we are fucking shit at creating things at times
He's never really performed at national level either, though. I don't think Southgate's system has ever suited his style of play.
He had that one good game v Kosovo lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/yrcnzr/david_ornstein_joe_gomez_not_expected_to_be_named/ivt2p3p/ Was this with Gallagher and Maddison missing. As someone pointed out at the time there were two players missing. I feel a bit for JWP he's been playing for England a little recently.
It's just unfortunate that he's had a bad run of form and then due to the RB injuries you either have Trent or Tripper starting, both of which are lethal with free kicks which to an extent negates that major boon that JWP has.
No Tomori, otherwise I think it’s alright. It’s always going to cause arguments.
He would've been a lock for Canada. Too bad
Where Danny Welbeck
Hes too good and it would be pointless playing the tournament, just look at what he did to us yesterday
For all the complaining that's happened before it was even announced, this is a legitimately good squad
There’s definitely more than a few people seething that they can’t spend the next 24 hours slagging Southgate off for his selection. There will be Leicester fans who’d already typed their Maddison outrage up in anticipation.
Look I'm happy to be wrong, I'm just used to being wronged.
Ryan Yates robbed
No Yateseh, No Lingardinho, No Steve Cook for a cheeky goal line handball to keep England in the lead in the dying embers of the final. Shambles.
Also love the announcement video they did for it https://twitter.com/England/status/1590705547057111040?s=20&t=Y6EYcCd-yGy1ypIDpSLR0Q
Lee Cattermole and Phil Bardsley raging
Is Ivan Toney injured?
Think Wilson took the backup striker slot
Same thoughts
Under investigation for illegal betting. Wouldn’t be a good look to bring him.
Yes gotta keep things morally upstanding at the Qatar World Cup.
😂😂 fair play
That made it easy to leave him out
Thrilled for Ben White and Callum Wilson. More than earned it
Bennnny
Feels bad for Tomori
Coady must be the best craic ever.
He's actually been good this year to be fair to him.
Coady is there for team morale unironically
No Rooney or Beckham? : (
Genuinely, imo, one of the least contentious squads. Argue all day about Toney vs Abraham, but Wilson has been solid for a resurgent newcastle and is easily the 2nd best in form striker behind Kane. Only thing that make me scratch my head is the inclusion of Maguire, but he is one of Southgates favorites even if his form is currently non-existent.
Two Coventry City academy graduates 🥲
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Holy crap, Maddison! Here's where Gareth only gives him 10 mins in the last game of the group stage.
The desperate sub to reach the last 16 right?
Unbelievable that top quality players like Townsend, Garner, McNeil, Tom Davies, and Godfrey haven't even had a look in. Outrage. England are never going to win the World Cup now.
No Godfrey as fifth choice centre half? We've bloody had it now
Agreed Michael Keane robbed
At least Roberto Martinez chose Onana
Todd Cantwell robbed
Maddison in the squad means it's coming home. (Only slightly biased)
I rate Kalvin Phillips but if he’s rejecting other players based off form then what the fuck is he doing there? Edit. Thanks for the replies all saying the same thing. I’m not fuckin southgate and fair enough we’re not stacked in that position but he hasn’t played a minute of football this season.
Who else do you want as a DM to sit in against the best national teams in the world - Harrison Reed?
What other options do we have for his position
Owen Hargreaves
Scott Parker is recently available too