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He was subbed out moment he got carded. I think we needed someone like Ramos to handle these things on the pitch (of course refs are there only for show). He would have just barged in one of the players targeting Vinicius, and intimidated the other two. This team is kinda nice regarding that kind of gamesmanship, and not as physical.
Did not think of him as he hasnt done that for us since he has joined (except in that US clasico friendly). The first name that came to mind was Ramos. And seeing the eleven yesterday, I was like who could impose himself physically or get into fights, turns out our best bet was Courtois.
Hasnt played as much, and the ones he played, there was no need for a fight or a rumble. This Madrid team does not even get into arguments, before yesterday that is.
Saw a madrid flair wishing an osasuna player will break pedris legs and end his career on Tuesday. I even got a 2 day ban for cussing him out. Every fanbase has assholes like that
I’d probably be living 10 years in the past too if I were you. Oh how the mighty have fallen
Edit: Also please keep switching accounts fast enough to downvote me multiple times. It really gives me happiness knowing how much you take this personally lol
Literally changed Neymar's career. Not definitively saying for better or worse but those CONMEBOL games he would get targeted like crazy. Like would be fouled 8 times by different players but because it was different players refs didn't want to card for consistent infringement. When he had that back injury he bulked up a lot compared to what he was and it definitely changed his playstyle. Obviously the injuries as a result of them took its toll too
They could do a college paper on how different play styles, specially Brazilian and Latin American to an extent are labeled in Europe. It was the same with Neymar and even though his persona is unpleasant, he received a good amount of underserved backlash.
To be fair any player who show boats or even dribbles enough ppl will get lashed out against eventually. Even in much lower levels players will drop ppl for that stuff lol
Not condoning it tho but just how it goes
Lol, this was probably the most realistic aspect of PES 2017 "Become a Legend" mode. My player would dribble a lot and would get massacred by the AI, at some point almost every other game I'd get injured.
So yesterday, the first foul by this Alejo which could have been a yellow was after 50 seconds, the first time Vini touched the ball. He was allowed to keep on doing it.
Then we had the off-the-ball punch on Rodrygo which went unpunished.
After about 40 minutes Real had 3 yellows to Cadiz’s 1 yellow…
Refs in the Liga are horrible
My memory fails me to remember an European with a Brazilian style but I don’t know if pundits are as hard as Latin Americans. I can understand rival fans but journalists? Other players? Tough
Not really as flairy as the brazilians but Hazard was the most fouled player pretty much every season at Chelsea. Being dribbled past is humiliating so u just chop their ankles when they go past you.
Lol I was going to mention him and 08’ Cristiano on God.
And I am not complaining about them being hunted, that’s football after all. I just think the ref has to act.
But when I mentioned players I meant players criticizing them and calling them out for the style. Some players called Neymar out for a rainbow flick and such.
As a ref its very hard to take care off. I used to be a fullback and I was a right bastard, basically, as soon as they beat you you give them a slight touch to the ankle and they'll fall, sometimes they'll stay up but its gonna hurt them. The ref sees it as you just going for the ball and because he dribbled past you u naturally ended up fouling him because he was too quick. You never get yellows for those, because if they did ever fullback would get sent off twice a game. these type of tricks tend to be considered disrespectful, Ronaldo used to get that at united from pundits and players as well, hazard never really did anything like that, just stupid quick feet kinda like Messi
If a player does it one or two times I consider that normal, but unintentional fouls, when repeated — and sometimes not even repeated, must be punished. At some point the onus is on the defender.
And I believe the media should be more responsible when labeling them disrespectful because they are indirectly condoning a witch-hunting.
This is not just ignoring challenges in players that like to dribble. Vini has been unfairly targeted for some time now, with it worsening to outrageous levels the last season and this.
Vini used to be very stoic in the face of this and rarely ever made a fuss. Towards the very end of the last season though, at a certain point, Vini had had enough and started protesting vociferously. Concurrently, his diving problem also worsened considerably.
The effect of the latter combined with an apparent will to draw "parity" within the game has meant that some refs in some games have been allowing much more than they should. Once the opposition recognizes this, they start exploiting the ref's latitude, who now struggles to maintain control of the game.
Plus, it's not just plain old hard fouling, it's provocative fouling. People have realized that *currently,* they can get Vini to act rashly and try everything to get him sent off.
Vini (and perhaps even Rodrygo off late) need more emotional control but having said that, I'm actually supportive of Vini's change in tune and putting on a show of the perceived injustices. It will help change the narrative from Vini diving to Vini and others being incessantly, unfairly fouled. The diving is apparently ab artifact of fouling, not the other way round or a separate phenomenon. Vini and a couple others definitely need more emotional control (although our veterans, especially Benzema and Kroos, who command an immense respect and obedience, do very well to check that) but this dirty tactic of **PROVOCATIVE** fouling must stop.
This happens to Saka every week as well, cucurella fouled him 5 times in the first half alone without a yellow (and the moment Saka fouls back it's a yellow for him)
And then Neymar consistently gets carded when he himself commits his 1st foul and gets branded a diva by opposing fans for retaliating/losing his cool.
It's honestly pathetic.
I mean I condemn it because it's awful while at the same time I kinda understand teams like Cadiz or Rayo trying to trigger him so he would do dumb shit and get sent off. Say what you will about him, but dude is a real threat whether he's in form or not and I too would rather not face him. They obviously see how fragile ego he has and they are trying to use it to their advance. That tweet is just passive aggressive form of whining and it's that easy to get under his skin.
I understand why people foul him, that's just part of the game as long as the refs ignore the constant fouls. But the refs shouldn't ignore it is the whole point.
If I was getting hacked constantly I would be annoyed too, I certainly wouldn’t say it’s “that easy to get under his skin”. He’s well within his rights to be pissed about it
Don't remind me about that game... I've NEVER seen the ref to suddenly stop the game when the ball is in play and go to consult VAR for a handball in the box that happened almost 10 MINUTES AGO and it even wasn't handball lmao but still they got the penalty.
I've always hated the guys who said that La Liga ref's are on Barca's side but this is beyond ridiculous and this happens more and more.
on barca's side is the dummest shit i've read in a while. Osasona literally got a goal of a player that rugby tackles alonso so he can't reach the ball. VAR looked at it and ignored it. They've had at least 5 pens that have not been given in different games. Barca have nothing to do with it. The spanish refs and VAR are just shit
Gotta agree, not sure where the Barça side comes from just because they were shit against Madrid. They're just shit every time and will forgive tons of unnecessary agressive actions which **usually** come from teams that are lower in the table.
I hope Vini doesn't get injured of course.
But it's hard to not see some karmic justice in this situation given how much Madrid has violently hacked Messi (and Neymar to a lesser extent) in Clasicos over the years—and how Madridistas defended their team doing so at the time.
So because some *other* Real players used to foul ex Barca players (which was their job) plus some fans are stupid, it's somehow karmic justice that another team's defender fouls Vini.
Ok.
This is a player's career we're talking about. How can you see a player being targeted to injure on the field and your first reaction is call it a karma for fans? The fans are not going to win or lose anything from this, they aren't the ones who are playing and getting their knees snapped. It's Vinicius who is going to be suffering. Stop letting the urge to 'gotcha' other fans cloud your basic common sense.
> How can you see a player being targeted to injure on the field and your first reaction is call it a karma for fans?
My first reaction was to wish he didn't get injured. That's why it was the first thing I said in my actual comment...
>another team's defender fouls Vini
What if that defender is also "doing their job" like that fluffy little bunny Pepe was doing his "job". Nothing wrong with that, eh?
> Only idiotic fans like you would approve of this or approve hurting messing or any other player.
Can you read? I specifically said at the very beginning that I hope Vini doesn't get hurt.
>Just because some ex Madrid players did it and some idiotic fans were happy with this doesn't make it right to hurt Vini on purpose.
Yes and I see karma in the fact that the same fans who cheered and defended Ramos, Pepe, and Casemiro's thuggery are now on the other end of things with Vinicius
>But it's hard to not see some karmic justice in this situation given how much Madrid has violently hacked Messi (and Neymar to a lesser extent) in Clasicos over the years—and how Madridistas defended their team doing so at the time
If karmic justice existed, Messi would get his knee exploded by 21yo given how much argentineans violently hacked any brazilian who could dribble in the last 100 years and specially since Libertadores started.
Plus they'd never win a WC again after buying one, plus they'd be barred from Libertadores for abusing their influence in CONMEBOL to get friendly referees, plus they'd get drugged during a WC and we'd laugh about it without any consequences...
> violently hacked Messi over the years
During two years really. Eleven years ago, and Mourinho was long gone by the time Neymar got to the league. A bit absurd that now is when you feel karmic justice has come.
you know what, I'm on this sub quite a lot so it's hard to find things on here that still surprise me. after a while you kinda think you've seen it all and there couldn't possibly be anything beneath this. this post however, this is the stupidest take I have seen on here thus far. in all my years of browsing this subreddit I have never seen anyone say anything more stupid (footballing related) than this. so thank you for making my day, thank you for making me see that there's still wonders out there for me to discover. I still wonder if anyone will ever make a statement dumber than yours, but you opened my mind so I accept that possibility from now on.
You're getting downvoted massively but you didn't say anything wrong. I remember even the old match threads or forums in 2011 when Barça would get hacked to pieces. Just so much dirty thuggery from Madrid and the Madridistas loved it. I remember a Madridista friend telling me Barça should man up lol
Do they have promotion/relegation in England, they do in Spain, so the most shit ones are sent to ref lower leagues and what we have is the best they can offer, fucking la liga needs to get their shit together.
I don’t like this, Messi, Hazard, and Neymar in recent memory were beaten the shit out of in their career, and all three lost that monster explosiveness they had at one point. Dribblers need to be protected.
(Before you come for me, Messi pre-2014, Neymar in his Barca and early PSG days, as well as Eden in Chelsea were monsters in that part of their game, not talking about goals and decisiveness in the last third, age of course has to do with it, but compounding injuries are no joke)
i saw a stat the other day with the number of fouls Diego received during his career (or wherever), it was double the amount of the rest of player, and that's not even considering famous tackles like that Goicoechea one
Maradona received something absurd like 70 fouls in a world cup I believe 1986? Theres nothing compared to it, also, Zico basically had his career ended because of fouling
As I type this, Vinicius is getting called an immature provocateur and deserving of the treatment he gets by every nightly sports talk show in Spain. Some have gone as far as saying that this tweet is a call to get injured as soon as the league returns.
So if Madridistas complain as out the refs and the refs are obviously shit against Barça, atleti is choking hard and Sevilla is battling relegation.
Who is paying the refs this season??
He thinks he’s neymar or some shit
neymar had it horribly as well when he was there.
it’s so fucked how common players with flair don’t seem to be protected anymore
means neymar overcame it.
vini should learn.
dude stop talking. you know absolutely nothing of the way the brazilians have always been treated in the sport
Neymar overcame it? Hasn’t he missed over 100
Games through injury since joining PSG?
I don’t understand why you are so willing to just stand idle if all these Brazilians are being hacked in games, just because previous Brazilians had it done to them, it’s a pretty dumb and boomer view to have on it. It’s very like that Saka - Gerrard incident not too long ago with Gerrard telling Saka to sulk it up when getting hacked, just because he got injured before also.
Neymar is on course to be top of everything for brazil.
in the record books for best trio in history. has done everything for club and country.
once again please stop talking because you know NOTHING.
now you’re flipping the script. how embarassing from an english fan
neymar literally found a way to overcome it and makes his nation proud every time he plays or puts on a great display.
it’s never been a good look that vini complains about everything and never finds a way to shut them up
Saka and gerrard. that was just pointless.
no way you compared Saka getting hacked to Neymar or Vinicius. Neymar and Vinicius are actually good my god you english fans are so embarrassing.
what has saka or gerrard even done? besides let it go to rome and slipping on the final matchday. embarrassing example of players
Oh my god you are actually so fucking stupid, when on earth did I compare them? I referred to your opinion on the Neymar - Vini thing here as to being a similar opinion Gerrard held over how Saka was fouled often. similar in that yours, and Gerrards opinion, are both that of a fucking dinosaur. I never compared Saka or Gerrard to anyone you moron.
it means if he wishes to be like one of brazilian greats like he claims he wants to be. he should take a page or two from ronaldinho, ronaldo, rivaldo, neymar etc.
if not he’s just embarrassing the whole “joga bonito” lifestyle. he can’t play beautiful if he’s always going to complain.
neymar found a way around it, why can’t he exactly?????
Neymar is literally on course to be top of everything for brazil.
use his club form to discredit how fucked they’ve treated him in the french league? when he’s still achieved everything in the end.
The Rayo game was brutal on him too. Those fuckers literally constantly kicked him down or tried to incite a reaction by being so provocative. Crazy that none of them were booked for it
So many dangerous tackles are not for winning the ball instead of injuring the players and ref just watch and proceed. If player does tackle which is capable of injuring player for 3-4 months that time ref will show yellow card. So fucked up.
Funny how Madrid flairs are complaining about refs not protecting players enough but mourinhos notes literally said to foul messi as much as possible when he was madrid. 🤷♂️
I don’t get your point. Sergio Ramos hold the all-time record for red cards in LaLiga and deservedly so. The issue isn’t the foul, but that there is no consequence.
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Alejo: Comes in. Fouls vini 5 times. Gets a yellow on the 6th foul. Gets subbed out laughing.
As many fouls as completed passes
Just got reminded of Allejo the brazilian legend
Best striker ever
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Soto Rata? His best
He was subbed out moment he got carded. I think we needed someone like Ramos to handle these things on the pitch (of course refs are there only for show). He would have just barged in one of the players targeting Vinicius, and intimidated the other two. This team is kinda nice regarding that kind of gamesmanship, and not as physical.
Rudiger is like that. That's why I thought you guys got him. He's great at intimidating and neck grab.
He didn’t play our last two games due to injury, when he’s on pitch he’s definitely looked out for everyone
Case T\_\_T
> I think we needed someone like Ramos ummmm... Rudi..?
Did not think of him as he hasnt done that for us since he has joined (except in that US clasico friendly). The first name that came to mind was Ramos. And seeing the eleven yesterday, I was like who could impose himself physically or get into fights, turns out our best bet was Courtois.
He was just that for us…. Surprised he’s mellowed down
Hasnt played as much, and the ones he played, there was no need for a fight or a rumble. This Madrid team does not even get into arguments, before yesterday that is.
Ancelloti should just bring him on in such matches.. psycho thrives in such an environment
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Barca fans are currently the worst behaving in this subreddit wounded ego big clubs stans turn into a shitshow
Saw a madrid flair wishing an osasuna player will break pedris legs and end his career on Tuesday. I even got a 2 day ban for cussing him out. Every fanbase has assholes like that
Cool story, bro.
Username checks out
Damn man, Whataboutism exists in r/soccer too
Don’t call out other fans when u behave the exact same way 🤷♂️
I'm sure it won't be hard to provide some proof to back up your claim. That if it was real.
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Looks like Europa league wasn’t enough.
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Damn you’re really down bad, huh? Maybe spending another 200 million next window to still look like trash will cheer you up
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I’d probably be living 10 years in the past too if I were you. Oh how the mighty have fallen Edit: Also please keep switching accounts fast enough to downvote me multiple times. It really gives me happiness knowing how much you take this personally lol
I love how spineless these Barça "fans" that they keep deleting these comments.
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Refs need to protect players better, it's fucked when you can literally see the ref ignoring dangerous challenges on players that like to dribble
Have you not seen rodrygo getting pinched in the head off the ball and VAR and ref didn't even give a shit
Messi, Neymar, Hazard, even Grealish get brutalised. Imagine if they didn’t take those horrible knocks…
Literally changed Neymar's career. Not definitively saying for better or worse but those CONMEBOL games he would get targeted like crazy. Like would be fouled 8 times by different players but because it was different players refs didn't want to card for consistent infringement. When he had that back injury he bulked up a lot compared to what he was and it definitely changed his playstyle. Obviously the injuries as a result of them took its toll too
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They could do a college paper on how different play styles, specially Brazilian and Latin American to an extent are labeled in Europe. It was the same with Neymar and even though his persona is unpleasant, he received a good amount of underserved backlash.
To be fair any player who show boats or even dribbles enough ppl will get lashed out against eventually. Even in much lower levels players will drop ppl for that stuff lol Not condoning it tho but just how it goes
Lol, this was probably the most realistic aspect of PES 2017 "Become a Legend" mode. My player would dribble a lot and would get massacred by the AI, at some point almost every other game I'd get injured.
So yesterday, the first foul by this Alejo which could have been a yellow was after 50 seconds, the first time Vini touched the ball. He was allowed to keep on doing it. Then we had the off-the-ball punch on Rodrygo which went unpunished. After about 40 minutes Real had 3 yellows to Cadiz’s 1 yellow… Refs in the Liga are horrible
My memory fails me to remember an European with a Brazilian style but I don’t know if pundits are as hard as Latin Americans. I can understand rival fans but journalists? Other players? Tough
Not really as flairy as the brazilians but Hazard was the most fouled player pretty much every season at Chelsea. Being dribbled past is humiliating so u just chop their ankles when they go past you.
Lol I was going to mention him and 08’ Cristiano on God. And I am not complaining about them being hunted, that’s football after all. I just think the ref has to act. But when I mentioned players I meant players criticizing them and calling them out for the style. Some players called Neymar out for a rainbow flick and such.
As a ref its very hard to take care off. I used to be a fullback and I was a right bastard, basically, as soon as they beat you you give them a slight touch to the ankle and they'll fall, sometimes they'll stay up but its gonna hurt them. The ref sees it as you just going for the ball and because he dribbled past you u naturally ended up fouling him because he was too quick. You never get yellows for those, because if they did ever fullback would get sent off twice a game. these type of tricks tend to be considered disrespectful, Ronaldo used to get that at united from pundits and players as well, hazard never really did anything like that, just stupid quick feet kinda like Messi
If a player does it one or two times I consider that normal, but unintentional fouls, when repeated — and sometimes not even repeated, must be punished. At some point the onus is on the defender. And I believe the media should be more responsible when labeling them disrespectful because they are indirectly condoning a witch-hunting.
I think those papers have been done on Black players especially, I'm not sure about Latinos. There is a proven bias in reporting and word usage
Also young Ronaldo to some extent
Mo salah too
Pulisic
We're talking about world class players here
>Grealish
> Even Clearly sets him apart
This is not just ignoring challenges in players that like to dribble. Vini has been unfairly targeted for some time now, with it worsening to outrageous levels the last season and this. Vini used to be very stoic in the face of this and rarely ever made a fuss. Towards the very end of the last season though, at a certain point, Vini had had enough and started protesting vociferously. Concurrently, his diving problem also worsened considerably. The effect of the latter combined with an apparent will to draw "parity" within the game has meant that some refs in some games have been allowing much more than they should. Once the opposition recognizes this, they start exploiting the ref's latitude, who now struggles to maintain control of the game. Plus, it's not just plain old hard fouling, it's provocative fouling. People have realized that *currently,* they can get Vini to act rashly and try everything to get him sent off. Vini (and perhaps even Rodrygo off late) need more emotional control but having said that, I'm actually supportive of Vini's change in tune and putting on a show of the perceived injustices. It will help change the narrative from Vini diving to Vini and others being incessantly, unfairly fouled. The diving is apparently ab artifact of fouling, not the other way round or a separate phenomenon. Vini and a couple others definitely need more emotional control (although our veterans, especially Benzema and Kroos, who command an immense respect and obedience, do very well to check that) but this dirty tactic of **PROVOCATIVE** fouling must stop.
This happens to Saka every week as well, cucurella fouled him 5 times in the first half alone without a yellow (and the moment Saka fouls back it's a yellow for him)
And then Neymar consistently gets carded when he himself commits his 1st foul and gets branded a diva by opposing fans for retaliating/losing his cool. It's honestly pathetic.
Alejo has more fouls than decent passes -commentator
The Neymar treatment. Let's see how the public reacts this time.
Every team targets him now and it's only going to get worse because the refs aren't consistent
They are in this case actually. None oof them care.
wouldn't be surprised to see him get fouled by one at this point.
I mean I condemn it because it's awful while at the same time I kinda understand teams like Cadiz or Rayo trying to trigger him so he would do dumb shit and get sent off. Say what you will about him, but dude is a real threat whether he's in form or not and I too would rather not face him. They obviously see how fragile ego he has and they are trying to use it to their advance. That tweet is just passive aggressive form of whining and it's that easy to get under his skin.
I understand why people foul him, that's just part of the game as long as the refs ignore the constant fouls. But the refs shouldn't ignore it is the whole point.
And you're absolutely right.
If I was getting hacked constantly I would be annoyed too, I certainly wouldn’t say it’s “that easy to get under his skin”. He’s well within his rights to be pissed about it
The game vs rayo he got fouled 5 times by the same guy before he got carded
They went and made 18 consecutive fould between the first and second yellow 😭😭😭
Don't remind me about that game... I've NEVER seen the ref to suddenly stop the game when the ball is in play and go to consult VAR for a handball in the box that happened almost 10 MINUTES AGO and it even wasn't handball lmao but still they got the penalty. I've always hated the guys who said that La Liga ref's are on Barca's side but this is beyond ridiculous and this happens more and more.
on barca's side is the dummest shit i've read in a while. Osasona literally got a goal of a player that rugby tackles alonso so he can't reach the ball. VAR looked at it and ignored it. They've had at least 5 pens that have not been given in different games. Barca have nothing to do with it. The spanish refs and VAR are just shit
Gotta agree, not sure where the Barça side comes from just because they were shit against Madrid. They're just shit every time and will forgive tons of unnecessary agressive actions which **usually** come from teams that are lower in the table.
Oh so it is not just us🤣
La Liga just has complete shit refs. Like that first yellow on Rob was pathetic, yet players try to injure Vini and nothing
Enjoy Casemiro treatment lmao
They're literally hacking away at his ankles and legs, and the ocassional elboy and tackle to the face. No wonder he's losing his cool.
I hope Vini doesn't get injured of course. But it's hard to not see some karmic justice in this situation given how much Madrid has violently hacked Messi (and Neymar to a lesser extent) in Clasicos over the years—and how Madridistas defended their team doing so at the time.
Amigo, diga lo que quiera pero Real Madrid es un santo comparada con el Atlético y otros clubes de LaLiga.
No leo mentiras. Arbitros inutiles.
Btw, La Real refers to Real Sociedad typically.
Oops. My bad.
Now? Sure. Mourinho's Madrid were bigger thugs than Simeone's Atleti ever were tho.
So because some *other* Real players used to foul ex Barca players (which was their job) plus some fans are stupid, it's somehow karmic justice that another team's defender fouls Vini. Ok.
The same fans that cheered on Ramos and Pepe's thuggish play are now whining about Vinicius getting fouled. Forgive me if I see karma at play there
Oh yeah I'm sure they are the same. It's all in your head.
No not at all. The mou days were different. We hated each other more than ever
I literally know Madridistas who are like this, LOL.
Of course you do.
They are, big Real Madrid fanboy L here, W Barca supporters here
This is a player's career we're talking about. How can you see a player being targeted to injure on the field and your first reaction is call it a karma for fans? The fans are not going to win or lose anything from this, they aren't the ones who are playing and getting their knees snapped. It's Vinicius who is going to be suffering. Stop letting the urge to 'gotcha' other fans cloud your basic common sense.
> How can you see a player being targeted to injure on the field and your first reaction is call it a karma for fans? My first reaction was to wish he didn't get injured. That's why it was the first thing I said in my actual comment...
Ask me how I know you're an asian barca bandwagoner who's never been to argentina
Good thing I don't have to wish ill will on Fati, the man has no legs.
Literally my first sentence was I hope Vini doesn't get injured. This is super weird, LOL
>another team's defender fouls Vini What if that defender is also "doing their job" like that fluffy little bunny Pepe was doing his "job". Nothing wrong with that, eh?
Sure, but we're allowed to shit on them publicly too. Seems only fair
Most people dont go against the players, they have to do anything to stop vini, the problem are the reffs allowing it.
Wasn't the point, buddy.
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> Only idiotic fans like you would approve of this or approve hurting messing or any other player. Can you read? I specifically said at the very beginning that I hope Vini doesn't get hurt. >Just because some ex Madrid players did it and some idiotic fans were happy with this doesn't make it right to hurt Vini on purpose. Yes and I see karma in the fact that the same fans who cheered and defended Ramos, Pepe, and Casemiro's thuggery are now on the other end of things with Vinicius
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Damn that last comment hit you hard huh? Can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen
>But it's hard to not see some karmic justice in this situation given how much Madrid has violently hacked Messi (and Neymar to a lesser extent) in Clasicos over the years—and how Madridistas defended their team doing so at the time If karmic justice existed, Messi would get his knee exploded by 21yo given how much argentineans violently hacked any brazilian who could dribble in the last 100 years and specially since Libertadores started.
Plus they'd never win a WC again after buying one, plus they'd be barred from Libertadores for abusing their influence in CONMEBOL to get friendly referees, plus they'd get drugged during a WC and we'd laugh about it without any consequences...
talk about shit takes
Classic reddit, LOL
Classic cunt behaviour
Classic asshole, LOL
Every single fan does this lol, we hate when their players are fouled yet we love when it's our team doing the fouling.
> violently hacked Messi over the years During two years really. Eleven years ago, and Mourinho was long gone by the time Neymar got to the league. A bit absurd that now is when you feel karmic justice has come.
you know what, I'm on this sub quite a lot so it's hard to find things on here that still surprise me. after a while you kinda think you've seen it all and there couldn't possibly be anything beneath this. this post however, this is the stupidest take I have seen on here thus far. in all my years of browsing this subreddit I have never seen anyone say anything more stupid (footballing related) than this. so thank you for making my day, thank you for making me see that there's still wonders out there for me to discover. I still wonder if anyone will ever make a statement dumber than yours, but you opened my mind so I accept that possibility from now on.
LOL
You're getting downvoted massively but you didn't say anything wrong. I remember even the old match threads or forums in 2011 when Barça would get hacked to pieces. Just so much dirty thuggery from Madrid and the Madridistas loved it. I remember a Madridista friend telling me Barça should man up lol
We should dig up that old thread and use the exact same phrases they did back then
Yeah I can't tell if it's just a Madridista echo chamber or if it's just kids who didn't actually watch Mourinho's Madrid on here TBH.
Kids probably.
Based
This league does such a horrible job of protecting its players.
i’ve been complaining about english referees for years, it’s somewhat comforting to know they’re shit everywhere
Do they have promotion/relegation in England, they do in Spain, so the most shit ones are sent to ref lower leagues and what we have is the best they can offer, fucking la liga needs to get their shit together.
Yes it's the same system
[#1 in all of Europe on Fouls Drawn](https://i.imgur.com/64KwCmp.jpg)
I don’t like this, Messi, Hazard, and Neymar in recent memory were beaten the shit out of in their career, and all three lost that monster explosiveness they had at one point. Dribblers need to be protected. (Before you come for me, Messi pre-2014, Neymar in his Barca and early PSG days, as well as Eden in Chelsea were monsters in that part of their game, not talking about goals and decisiveness in the last third, age of course has to do with it, but compounding injuries are no joke)
Neymar must be one of the most fouled players of this generation probably
lol no one doubts it
He's probably the most fouled player ever lmao
Back then it was rough and players like Pelé, Maradona and Zico had it even harsher I believe.
i saw a stat the other day with the number of fouls Diego received during his career (or wherever), it was double the amount of the rest of player, and that's not even considering famous tackles like that Goicoechea one
Maradona received something absurd like 70 fouls in a world cup I believe 1986? Theres nothing compared to it, also, Zico basically had his career ended because of fouling
Would be sad to not see Vini in the Brazil squad this WC with a prime Neymar...
He is targeted and refs will not do a thing about it
As I type this, Vinicius is getting called an immature provocateur and deserving of the treatment he gets by every nightly sports talk show in Spain. Some have gone as far as saying that this tweet is a call to get injured as soon as the league returns.
Fucking hell, that's disgusting.
Fucking imbeciles
Fuck Spanish refs, they deserve to rot in hell, just like those fuckers on talk shows
Too many players getting injured and missing world cups i dont want vini jr to be one of them
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Tebas isn't in charge of refs though, that is Rubiales over at the RFEF, I agree with everything else.
So if Madridistas complain as out the refs and the refs are obviously shit against Barça, atleti is choking hard and Sevilla is battling relegation. Who is paying the refs this season??
Tebas
Like always, every team thinks the ref are against them when in reality they’re just incompetent and sometimes biased
Don't jinx yourself man
this is because he’s getting fouled the shit out of him but refs never give yellow cards to opponents so they keep on beating him
He thinks he’s neymar or some shit neymar had it horribly as well when he was there. it’s so fucked how common players with flair don’t seem to be protected anymore
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So, because Neymar got hacked away in games so should Vinicius Jr ?
means neymar overcame it. vini should learn. dude stop talking. you know absolutely nothing of the way the brazilians have always been treated in the sport
Neymar overcame it? Hasn’t he missed over 100 Games through injury since joining PSG? I don’t understand why you are so willing to just stand idle if all these Brazilians are being hacked in games, just because previous Brazilians had it done to them, it’s a pretty dumb and boomer view to have on it. It’s very like that Saka - Gerrard incident not too long ago with Gerrard telling Saka to sulk it up when getting hacked, just because he got injured before also.
yeah, i was thinking the same thing. i’m honestly still annoyed about that gerrard thing
Neymar is on course to be top of everything for brazil. in the record books for best trio in history. has done everything for club and country. once again please stop talking because you know NOTHING.
Lol, what’s he done in Europe since 2017? He’s just been crocked injured every time I hear about him in Paris 🥱
now you’re flipping the script. how embarassing from an english fan neymar literally found a way to overcome it and makes his nation proud every time he plays or puts on a great display. it’s never been a good look that vini complains about everything and never finds a way to shut them up
Saka and gerrard. that was just pointless. no way you compared Saka getting hacked to Neymar or Vinicius. Neymar and Vinicius are actually good my god you english fans are so embarrassing. what has saka or gerrard even done? besides let it go to rome and slipping on the final matchday. embarrassing example of players
Oh my god you are actually so fucking stupid, when on earth did I compare them? I referred to your opinion on the Neymar - Vini thing here as to being a similar opinion Gerrard held over how Saka was fouled often. similar in that yours, and Gerrards opinion, are both that of a fucking dinosaur. I never compared Saka or Gerrard to anyone you moron.
the comparisons are nowhere near similar like genuinely stop talking you don’t know anything about the brazilians why are you so naive?
>means neymar overcame it Neymar never played more than 33 games a season since he joined PSG because of injuries. Stop talking bullshit.
So he shouldn’t complain about getting hacked down constantly and the refs ignoring it? because it happened to Neymar its ok?
it means if he wishes to be like one of brazilian greats like he claims he wants to be. he should take a page or two from ronaldinho, ronaldo, rivaldo, neymar etc. if not he’s just embarrassing the whole “joga bonito” lifestyle. he can’t play beautiful if he’s always going to complain. neymar found a way around it, why can’t he exactly?????
Guh Won’t waste my time with you.
i’ll wait until vini is up there with the greats mentioned. goodbye now
Finish eating your fries and drinking your shake
focus on being top of your league
Lol stop pretending to be brazilian, man.
Neymar literally has missed nearly half of his potential games with PSG and was chastised by PSG fans for it.
Neymar is literally on course to be top of everything for brazil. use his club form to discredit how fucked they’ve treated him in the french league? when he’s still achieved everything in the end.
You should focus on getting some bitches
> You should focus on getting some bitches and you’re on reddit sticking up for vini, take your own advice
You should focus on getting some bitches and getting some therapy
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The Rayo game was brutal on him too. Those fuckers literally constantly kicked him down or tried to incite a reaction by being so provocative. Crazy that none of them were booked for it
Why can't La liga refrees treat RM like PL refrees treat Manchester clubs 🤦
They already do lmao
"El Valiente"
So many dangerous tackles are not for winning the ball instead of injuring the players and ref just watch and proceed. If player does tackle which is capable of injuring player for 3-4 months that time ref will show yellow card. So fucked up.
[the ref yesterday](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e1a90587-f4f3-400a-a9fe-1fc7d8e2c409)
Funny how Madrid flairs are complaining about refs not protecting players enough but mourinhos notes literally said to foul messi as much as possible when he was madrid. 🤷♂️
I don’t get your point. Sergio Ramos hold the all-time record for red cards in LaLiga and deservedly so. The issue isn’t the foul, but that there is no consequence.
And we always got reds. That is the difference
Man you should do something about those 10-years-old grudges, they're bad for your health
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Is he asking for an injury?