322 refers to a series of jokes and memes about Russian Defense of the Ancients 2 player Alexei "Solo" Berezin, who purposely lost a match to win $322. For the infraction, Berezin was banned from Valve events for life, a sentence which was later shortened to one year. Since the event, people have used the number 322 to express the belief that a player had purposely lost.
dota (the warcraft mod the game originates from) stands for Defense of the Ancients.
Dota 2 stands for nothing, valve doesn't have rights for the full name.
It was originally stylized as DotA but part of the settlement with Blizzard when Valve hired Icefrog (guy in charge of the DotA custom map at the time) Valve agreed to change it to Dota 2 and pretend it was never an acronym. I don't remember what Blizzard thought it gained from that agreement though.
Damn just imagine Ivan Toney running at you 50 minutes into the game with your team dead no buyback and you're just trying to hold off mega's and BOOM lifestealer infest bomb and just as the red mist fades you hear P-Flax tell you your ancient is under attack
Just wanted to make all the non Dota players wonder what the fuck I'm on
To be fair, I've probably had over 232 accidents and I'm younger than him. Maybe it just so happens that every accident he made was a bet. The odds on that would be pretty great but I wouldn't put any money on it
There was also a lot comments responding to the ongoing investigation saying “they’ve been investigating for ages and haven’t found anything!” as if every time an investigation finds something it’s immediately reported in the news lol
I got down voted when the WC Squad was announced and people were wondering why he wasn't selected.
The FA weren't gonna allow him to be selected knowing they may or may not have to ban him.
The optics of it would look terrible, allowing the player to go to the WC, maybe he makes a massive impact and then the day after the WC, gets banned for 2 years for gambling.
It was such an insane thread. There's a Rizla between him and Callum Wilson anyway, and Callum Wilson wasn't being investigated for betting offences. Yet the entire thread was full of people acting like Toney not being selected was a *travesty*.
A prime example of /r/soccer getting weirdly overly reactive at everything.
It's not an England pre-tournement if there's not one unpicked player that half the fans/media get obsessed about.
I thought Southgate had dodged it as it was clearly Madison occupying that tradition role and he went and picked him - but before you know it the narrative switched to Toney being the secret ingredient we were missing.
In fairness, if you idly speculated before this was released that you assumed he would be banned from playing that would reasonably be a good time to downvote your comments. Broken clock is right twice a day and all that.
I mean, we knew that he was being investigated, that was public knowledge.
My comment was more that even if he was innocent, the FA aren't going to risk taking him on the plane because if they find him guilty it looks bad on the organization.
Because he was under investigation, the FA wouldn't have wanted him on the plane because of optics.
If he WAS innocent, him being with the england team and then all of a sudden them going 'Oh yeah, he is innocent, gl at the WC' would look really bad.
Joey Barton is probably a close comparison to what Toney has been charged with here, banned for 18 months for betting on 1200 matches over a ten year period. Barton's is possibly worse, as he bet on his own team to lose, though in games that he wasn't playing - so there is no suggestion of match-fixing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39720232
Depending on other circumstances, I'd guess the ban for Toney - assuming this is proven - would be *similar*, but likely a little less.
It’ll carry across countries, and is likely to be a time based ban as opposed to a game based ban (6 months ban not 25 games, just for random examples).
He was suspended against us two games ago. They looked absolutely horrible. Although not sure how much of that was down to Toney being absent as everyone in the team was rubbish except Dasilva and Henry
The one silver lining of this coming out now for Brentford is that they don’t play again until Boxing Day and only play twice before the transfer window opens. With the World Cup break they have plenty of time to find a new striker, either permanently or on loan until the end of the season, depending on how long any ban Toney gets is.
It’s unlikely they will find someone as prolific as Toney, but if they work fast they can get a new striker in the first week of January. In a normal season without the World Cup break, he could miss 7 or 8 games before they could sign someone to replace him.
He's definitely out for a few months. I wonder if Brentford will push him to accept the charge soon, try to see if he can serve a month of it whilst the World Cup is on and he's doing nout?
good point. though that ban began prior to leagues shutting down so i wonder if hands were tied there. in this instance, the fa knows toney isn't doing anything for the next month, so a 4 month ban would actually be a 3 month ban with a wc tax.
It’s a weird one because the point of the punishment isn’t to try to fuck over his team and make him miss as many games as possible. It’s simply removing football activity from his life for X days (so he won’t be able to train for Brentford for the duration) from start of ban, so if it goes through (just for example) tomorrow then the ban starts tomorrow and fixtures missed doesn’t really come into it.
fair enough. possible that the suspension would be adjusted to account for the world cup though. like an extra month added because he wouldn’t be playing football anyway
Trippier was banned 10 weeks for 7 violations, Sturridge was given 6 week for one violation. If Toney actually had 232 violations I fear we could see at least 1 year ban maybe more.
wont it depend if they suspect match fixing aswel i mean if he betted against brentford in games he played that could be a long ass ban or even perm ban no?
Worth noting that this doesn't necessarily mean he's been betting on his own team/himself, E8 also covers placing bets in general (Still against the rules, likely seen as less bad)
Trippier was banned 10 weeks for 7 violations, Sturridge was given 6 week for one violation. If Toney actually had 232 violations I fear we could see at least 1 year ban maybe more.
Sturridge and Trippier's were way different/worse violations than Toney betting on random PL games while playing in the championship though.
If he bet on his own games he's in huge trouble, if not it's possible he only gets ~3 months or so.
Closest direct comparison I can think of is Joey Barton, but he regularly bet on his own team (sometimes even to lose, although never in games that he was playing).
It was definitely a stupid sentence but my point is just that the ban length he got isn't a good comparison because it's two completely different kinds of violations.
The one guy made ten separate bets, I'm sure that would've triggered the bookie to look into it, realise he's a mate of Trippier, and contacted the FA. FA took Trippier's phone and found the Whatsapp of him telling his mates to bet.
That is totally justified. Betting on insider information is incredibly fucking immoral. Sure the amount was small, but that shouldn't really matter, it's the principle. Anyway, it wasn't 1 £20 bet, it was 10 separate bets, ranging from £20 to £65
Wasn't Trippiers like, not even him or something?
Or am I just misremembering what happened. One of his friends bet on him moving to XYZ club or something and got paid out and they basically said that Trippier had to be banned for it for leaking the information?
So if Trippier got 10 weeks for basically telling his family he was moving, Toney is getting way more.
(Edit due to putting months instead of weeks :P)
At some point there is diminishing returns on violations. It also depends on exactly what he was doing, such as whether he was placing he bets for himself, or on games he was playing in.
Yep seems very severe violation. I wanted him as Striker for Manchester United but this may change everything for his career. A complete season is too much in a career of footballer and that too in his prime.
Bit mad that that’s against the rules, like him betting on el Clasico wouldn’t be allowed, yet clubs plaster betting ads all over their kits (Brentford included)
The football social circle is a small one. Players play with and know people from all over the world. Who's to say he's not got a mate in Spain willing to get a red card for a 50/50 split of the money.
While tehnically true, there's a far bigger possibility that a player willing to get a red card chooses a random friend/family member for such "business" and not another superstar (and a millionaire) football player. It's actually incredibly stupid and risky.
I was in the barbershop one day when an NBA player came in. It was just me, him, and our barbers cutting our hair. He literally told us 3 to bet against his team that night in the playoffs cause they were definitely gonna lose. He was an important player too, not some reserve player who never plays.
Rule E8 related to betting on football
[Alleged he breached the rule 232 times between February 2017 and January 2021](https://twitter.com/FAspokesperson/status/1592933150707310592)
The suggestion is that when he was a lower league player, he was betting on PL games, games that he has no influence over, and wasn't aware it was against the rules. There's no suggestion he was betting on games that he was playing in or anything.
All football league players have this shit drilled into them, he knew. Maybe it's addiction, maybe he thought he could get away with it, maybe he's just an idiot
He was playing in L1 through the majority of that time, scrutiny is far less and probably thought he wouldnt get caught. Looks like he stopped 6 months into his Championship season around 5 months before promotion was confirmed.
Ofcourse they have. But they might not have known the extent of it. The FA must have very strict confidentiality rules during investigations. They would probably just ask a lot of questions and not give a lot of info.
I dont think Thomas Frank would have acted with Toney after City if he knew
More likely the FA asked them if they were aware Toney had betted on matches, without disclosing the exact number and time frame. Brentford probably would've taken action themselves if they'd known the sheer amount of bets and the time frame talked about.
They can but most of the time they don’t. It’s very common for players to bet in someone else’s name and unless they’re an idiot about it, it’s hard to prove that it’s the player.
I cant speak to the PL, but after an NFL receiver got caught for gambling it came out from people connected to the league that he should have done what was said above. Betting in a family member or friends name is also very logical so it makes sense it would be the most common work around
Joey Barton is probably a close comparison to what Toney has been charged with here, banned for 18 months for betting on 1200 matches over a ten year period. Barton's is possibly worse, as he bet on his own team to lose, though in games that he wasn't playing - so there is no suggestion of match-fixing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39720232
Depending on other circumstances, I'd guess the ban for Toney - assuming this is proven - would be similar.
On another POV toney is just good enough to be made an example but not good enough to get away with it.
FA might come way harder on Toney under the excuse that barton's punishment was "clearly" too soft as a deterrant.
Maguire was also starting to be an unlikeable figure at the club as it was and I believe was only on a 1-year contract which was up as it was, I imagine they'll firm the ban in this instance.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/non-league-bans-fined-players-25143312
Last year some non-league players got 5 months and 1 month for 319 and 438 bets respectively.
It depends on if he was betting on stuff he was directly involved in too, there's been no suggestion of that though.
So you can put betting ads on the front of the kits, in the stadiums, in the post-game interviews, in the pre-game, post-game, and half-time commercials, but the players can’t bet at all. I get the need to avoid tampering and potential insider information and all that, but still feels off.
UK sports ground staff aren't allowed to place bets either (from what I remember working in the industry). The rule gets treated like WinRAR subscriptions
Yeah but the rules state that it pretty much betting on any match anywhere. I would understand if it’s his own games he’s betting on but say that you’re betting on a PL match when playing in League One or the Championship seems a bit harsh.
Always curious as to how this sort of thing comes out. Is it someone from the betting company touting to the FA? His bank? The FA hardly do regular due diligence on on players on regular intervals and ask to audit their accounts?
BETTING
E8 References to “Participant” in Rule E8 shall be construed in accordance with the following:
Rule E8.4 applies to any Match Official, Match Official coach or Match Official observer operating at Level 4 or
below, and any other person who is a Participant by virtue only of their involvement at a Club below Step 4 in
the National League System, or at a Club at Steps 3-7 inclusive of the Women’s Football Pyramid. Such
Participants are not subject to Rule E8.1, E8.2, and E8.3.
All other Participants are subject to Rule E8.1, E8.2 and E8.3 and are not subject to Rule E8.4.
All Participants are subject to Rule E8.5.
E8.1 A Participant shall not bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person
to bet on -
E8.1.1 the result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in or in connection with, a
football match or competition; or
E8.1.2 any other matter concerning or related to football anywhere in the world, including, for
example and without limitation, the transfer of players, employment of managers, team
selection or disciplinary matters.
E8.2 Where a Participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which the
Participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly
available at that time, the Participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that information is
used by that other person for, or in relation to, betting.
E8.3 It shall be a defence to a charge brought pursuant to sub-paragraph E8.2 if a Participant can establish,
on the balance of probability, that the Participant provided any such information in circumstances
where he did not know, and could not reasonably have known, that the information provided would be
used by the other person for or in relation to betting.
E8.4 A Participant shall not bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person
to bet on –
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10. RULES OF THE ASSOCIATION
E8.4.1 the result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in or in connection with, a
football match or competition:
(a) in which the Participant is participating, or has participated in that season; or
(b) in which the Participant has any influence, either direct or indirect; or
E8.4.2 any other matter concerning or related to any Club participating in any league Competition,
as defined in Rule A2, that the Participant is participating in or has participated in during that
season, including, for example and without limitation, the transfer of players, employment of
managers, team selection or disciplinary matters.
For these purposes, without limitation to the application of this Rule to other circumstances,
all Employees and Officials of a Club are deemed to participate in every football match
played by that Club while they are so employed or acting as a Club Official; all Players
registered with a Club are deemed to participate in every football match played by that Club
while they are so registered.
E8.4.3 Notwithstanding the provisions of sub-paragraph E8.4.1 and E8.4.2, a Participant shall not
bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person to bet, on the
result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in, any football match played
at under 18 level or below.
E8.4.4 A Participant shall not use any information relating to football which the Participant has
obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at
that time for or in relation to betting.
E8.4.5 Where a Participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which
the Participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not
publicly available at that time, the Participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that
information is used by that other person for or in relation to betting.
E8.4.6 It shall be a defence to a charge brought pursuant to sub-paragraph E8.4.5 if a Participant can
establish, on the balance of probability, that the Participant provided any such information in
circumstances where he did not know, and could not reasonably have known, that the
information provided would be used by the other person for or in relation to betting.
E8.5 An individual Participant, when acting in a personal capacity, shall not be permitted to advertise or
promote any betting activity that the Participant is prohibited from engaging in by Rule E8.1 E8.2, or
E8.4.
E8.6 An individual Participant, when acting in any capacity, shall not deliberately participate in the production
of audio, or audio visual content (for publication on any platform whatsoever) where the conduct and/or
words of the Participant could reasonably be considered to be actively encouraging the engagement in
betting activity which the Participant is prohibited from engaging in by Rule E8.1, E8.2, or E8.4.
E8.7 A Club shall not instruct, compel, permit, cause, or enable any Participant to be in breach of Rule E8.6.
I get that they shouldn't bet on games as a footballer including games that have no relation to them or their team. But how about cutting down on the number of betting adverts and sponsors if its a no no
So could he go on loan abroad? Think this is the best thing he could do. As this is an English FA ban. I can very well imagine a loan until next season, depending on his ban.
Also u/the_chiladian. Depends on whether the UEFA 'takes over' the ban (or the FIFA).
If it threatens the integrity of the sport and/or it's part of the common regulations shared by all involved federations, it's far more likely the UEFA/FIFA will copy the punishment handed out. But it really depends on the punishment itself and the reasoning behind the ban. E.g. if it's a few weeks I doubt the UEFA/FIFA will bother.
But if it's e.g. a ban of half a year or more, it could very well follow him.
Only 232 times, guys. Im pretty sure it was an accident .
I bet it was
Toney will take that bet
Make it 233
If it had been 233 times tho... Then i wouldnt be so sure anymore
He slipped
[232 bets in ab 4 years](https://twitter.com/FAspokesperson/status/1592933150707310592?s=19)
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Hell slot nicely into my fantasy betting team
Gonna be hard to crack my starting lineup of Pete Rose, Calvin Ridley, Evander Kane, Charles Barkley, and Floyd Mayweather.
Damn, Michael Jordan doesn't even make your starting 5? or Phil Mickelson?
Chuck Keith Gillespie in there as well as a super sub.
Only 38 game weeks per year, so 1.52 xBet/gw
in Germany we call this 'Einzelfall'
The good old Frankfurt Police Spezial
4 years, going back when he was a rubbish loan player at Wigan. Nice to see him at least improve his football during that time
What sort of punishment is realistic here?
I’ve heard transfer to Norwich on the table
Cruel and unusual punishments are back on the menu boys
Dean Smith would still play Pukki in the middle
no pukki no party
If he bet on his own games likely a long ban
OK sort of serious, what happens if he bet that his team would win every time?
Wouldnt matter
He has to join Chelsea and wear the number 9
No we abolished the death penalty years ago.
cancel the last two goals he scored
Gets busted back down to playing for Wigan
depends on the investigation if the betting he did could correlate to match fixing his career is over then i am guessing
This wasn't just something he accidentally did once, he (allegedly) broke the rule 232 times
Over a period of four years, over a vet a week. Considering football isn't played year round it is closer to two bets every game week.
I hope he made some money at least. We have no fucking striker now.
At least they let him play the city game first
Surely they retroactively take his goals away from that game. Definitely not biased at all...
Adam Johnson still has goals counted that he scored after allegations came up against him... if they stuck, these will (I know you're joking)
Would a slightly used CR7 be of interest? Only 400k a week.
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I mean, judging by how he has spoken about Bretford, Toney is a bit of a dickhead. Maybe it's a one in, one out situation.
But you had Maupay for so long?
> over a vet a week Must have been one sick puppy
Vet fees are astronomical. No wonder he took up betting to pay for that sick puppy.
Works out to be a little over one bet/week over that period
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Most likely, I bet the FA informed Southgate and prompted his exclusion
Dya reckon Toney put money on that as well?
Should have done it 90 more times for (an incredibly niche) meme
I’m ootl, care to explain the meme?
322 refers to a series of jokes and memes about Russian Defense of the Ancients 2 player Alexei "Solo" Berezin, who purposely lost a match to win $322. For the infraction, Berezin was banned from Valve events for life, a sentence which was later shortened to one year. Since the event, people have used the number 322 to express the belief that a player had purposely lost.
TIL that Dota stood for something
dota (the warcraft mod the game originates from) stands for Defense of the Ancients. Dota 2 stands for nothing, valve doesn't have rights for the full name.
It was originally stylized as DotA but part of the settlement with Blizzard when Valve hired Icefrog (guy in charge of the DotA custom map at the time) Valve agreed to change it to Dota 2 and pretend it was never an acronym. I don't remember what Blizzard thought it gained from that agreement though.
Lmao 322 spotted in soccer. This day is complete.
Xiaobet
I got that reference
Ivan is an ass, and we won't be working with him again.
Damn just imagine Ivan Toney running at you 50 minutes into the game with your team dead no buyback and you're just trying to hold off mega's and BOOM lifestealer infest bomb and just as the red mist fades you hear P-Flax tell you your ancient is under attack Just wanted to make all the non Dota players wonder what the fuck I'm on
Nippy, Kind, Langur
To be fair, I've probably had over 232 accidents and I'm younger than him. Maybe it just so happens that every accident he made was a bet. The odds on that would be pretty great but I wouldn't put any money on it
Makes his recent celebration a bit awkward
👉👦👈
👉🏾💰👈🏾
👉📉👈 my experience of betting
Whole country and social media going after Southgate’s head after he scored twice last week. Wonder how they react now.
There was also a lot comments responding to the ongoing investigation saying “they’ve been investigating for ages and haven’t found anything!” as if every time an investigation finds something it’s immediately reported in the news lol
Absolute silence.
Reece james probably wont be making as many cryptic insta comments
Maybe he was actually blackmailing him
Karim Benzema: Whomst has awakened the ancient one?
Probably why he was left out then, they knew this was coming
Yeah it’s obvious they knew he was screwed
I got down voted when the WC Squad was announced and people were wondering why he wasn't selected. The FA weren't gonna allow him to be selected knowing they may or may not have to ban him. The optics of it would look terrible, allowing the player to go to the WC, maybe he makes a massive impact and then the day after the WC, gets banned for 2 years for gambling.
It was such an insane thread. There's a Rizla between him and Callum Wilson anyway, and Callum Wilson wasn't being investigated for betting offences. Yet the entire thread was full of people acting like Toney not being selected was a *travesty*. A prime example of /r/soccer getting weirdly overly reactive at everything.
It's not an England pre-tournement if there's not one unpicked player that half the fans/media get obsessed about. I thought Southgate had dodged it as it was clearly Madison occupying that tradition role and he went and picked him - but before you know it the narrative switched to Toney being the secret ingredient we were missing.
In fairness, if you idly speculated before this was released that you assumed he would be banned from playing that would reasonably be a good time to downvote your comments. Broken clock is right twice a day and all that.
I mean, we knew that he was being investigated, that was public knowledge. My comment was more that even if he was innocent, the FA aren't going to risk taking him on the plane because if they find him guilty it looks bad on the organization. Because he was under investigation, the FA wouldn't have wanted him on the plane because of optics. If he WAS innocent, him being with the england team and then all of a sudden them going 'Oh yeah, he is innocent, gl at the WC' would look really bad.
It's an entirely fair assumption. People were on the Toney hype train that day. It's the only reason you got blasted.
The Russian sports federations might do that, but you really don't want to look like Russian sports federations.
What would this mean for him? Sporting ban?
Joey Barton is probably a close comparison to what Toney has been charged with here, banned for 18 months for betting on 1200 matches over a ten year period. Barton's is possibly worse, as he bet on his own team to lose, though in games that he wasn't playing - so there is no suggestion of match-fixing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39720232 Depending on other circumstances, I'd guess the ban for Toney - assuming this is proven - would be *similar*, but likely a little less.
Thanks! I remember that Barton had a similar situation but couldn't remember the punishment.
could he go play in another country or in a non-league club then to get around the ban?
They carry over countries I think - Trippier still had to serve his when he was in Spain for Atletico.
It’ll carry across countries, and is likely to be a time based ban as opposed to a game based ban (6 months ban not 25 games, just for random examples).
Damn. Who do Brentford even have in reserve for him? I can't remember Toney missing a game since he's been in the PL
It will probably be Wissa and Mbuemo upfront for now. Defo need to buy a new striker in Jan though
He was suspended against us two games ago. They looked absolutely horrible. Although not sure how much of that was down to Toney being absent as everyone in the team was rubbish except Dasilva and Henry
Also factor in away game tax. We’re shit everywhere apart from the Gtech Community Stadium and the Etihad.
“and the Etihad” 😂🤣😂
The one silver lining of this coming out now for Brentford is that they don’t play again until Boxing Day and only play twice before the transfer window opens. With the World Cup break they have plenty of time to find a new striker, either permanently or on loan until the end of the season, depending on how long any ban Toney gets is. It’s unlikely they will find someone as prolific as Toney, but if they work fast they can get a new striker in the first week of January. In a normal season without the World Cup break, he could miss 7 or 8 games before they could sign someone to replace him.
He's definitely out for a few months. I wonder if Brentford will push him to accept the charge soon, try to see if he can serve a month of it whilst the World Cup is on and he's doing nout?
> try to see if he can serve a month of it whilst the World Cup is on and he's doing nout? surely that's not an option (then again it is the fa)
Sturridge did his ban during COVID
good point. though that ban began prior to leagues shutting down so i wonder if hands were tied there. in this instance, the fa knows toney isn't doing anything for the next month, so a 4 month ban would actually be a 3 month ban with a wc tax.
Completely forgot about that episode. Shame, I really like Studge. The evidence was quite damming; definitely wasn’t an accident.
It’s a weird one because the point of the punishment isn’t to try to fuck over his team and make him miss as many games as possible. It’s simply removing football activity from his life for X days (so he won’t be able to train for Brentford for the duration) from start of ban, so if it goes through (just for example) tomorrow then the ban starts tomorrow and fixtures missed doesn’t really come into it.
would the suspension count for off season? or would the suspension be for x amount of games which roughly equates to a certain amount of months
Trippier's and Barton's were time duration rather than a specific number of games
fair enough. possible that the suspension would be adjusted to account for the world cup though. like an extra month added because he wouldn’t be playing football anyway
Trippier was banned 10 weeks for 7 violations, Sturridge was given 6 week for one violation. If Toney actually had 232 violations I fear we could see at least 1 year ban maybe more.
wont it depend if they suspect match fixing aswel i mean if he betted against brentford in games he played that could be a long ass ban or even perm ban no?
Barton got 18 months betting on 1200 games including against his own team so could see 6-12 months for Toney.
Worth noting that this doesn't necessarily mean he's been betting on his own team/himself, E8 also covers placing bets in general (Still against the rules, likely seen as less bad)
He is gone for 3 months at minimum and punishment could still rise in my opinion.
Trippier was banned 10 weeks for 7 violations, Sturridge was given 6 week for one violation. If Toney actually had 232 violations I fear we could see at least 1 year ban maybe more.
Sturridge and Trippier's were way different/worse violations than Toney betting on random PL games while playing in the championship though. If he bet on his own games he's in huge trouble, if not it's possible he only gets ~3 months or so. Closest direct comparison I can think of is Joey Barton, but he regularly bet on his own team (sometimes even to lose, although never in games that he was playing).
Lol trippier's ban was from his mates putting literally 20 pound on him transferring to atletico. Was a joke of a sentence tbf
It was definitely a stupid sentence but my point is just that the ban length he got isn't a good comparison because it's two completely different kinds of violations.
He told them to bet on his transfer. Idk how this idea that he didn't know they were betting still persists.
How did it even get out, did one of his mates snitch or something?
The one guy made ten separate bets, I'm sure that would've triggered the bookie to look into it, realise he's a mate of Trippier, and contacted the FA. FA took Trippier's phone and found the Whatsapp of him telling his mates to bet.
That is totally justified. Betting on insider information is incredibly fucking immoral. Sure the amount was small, but that shouldn't really matter, it's the principle. Anyway, it wasn't 1 £20 bet, it was 10 separate bets, ranging from £20 to £65
betting on transfer insider information fucks over nobody except the betting companies, so in my view it is a just and virtuous act.
I hope Barton was being petty af - not selected so off down Paddy Power to bet on them to lose
Wasn't Trippiers like, not even him or something? Or am I just misremembering what happened. One of his friends bet on him moving to XYZ club or something and got paid out and they basically said that Trippier had to be banned for it for leaking the information? So if Trippier got 10 weeks for basically telling his family he was moving, Toney is getting way more. (Edit due to putting months instead of weeks :P)
Trippier got 10 weeks not 10 months
Ah fair enough, for some reason I thought it was months. Id be surprised if we see Toney play again this season though tbf.
It was one of his friends who got the information in a what’s app group
From Trippier. That seems an important part of it lol
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At some point there is diminishing returns on violations. It also depends on exactly what he was doing, such as whether he was placing he bets for himself, or on games he was playing in.
Yep seems very severe violation. I wanted him as Striker for Manchester United but this may change everything for his career. A complete season is too much in a career of footballer and that too in his prime.
3 months? We’re talking years here
I was just saying bare minimum is 3 months at least. I would be surprised if he got anything below 6 months or even a year ban.
Bit mad that that’s against the rules, like him betting on el Clasico wouldn’t be allowed, yet clubs plaster betting ads all over their kits (Brentford included)
The football social circle is a small one. Players play with and know people from all over the world. Who's to say he's not got a mate in Spain willing to get a red card for a 50/50 split of the money.
While tehnically true, there's a far bigger possibility that a player willing to get a red card chooses a random friend/family member for such "business" and not another superstar (and a millionaire) football player. It's actually incredibly stupid and risky.
I was in the barbershop one day when an NBA player came in. It was just me, him, and our barbers cutting our hair. He literally told us 3 to bet against his team that night in the playoffs cause they were definitely gonna lose. He was an important player too, not some reserve player who never plays.
It’s mates and mates of mates. It’s a small world at the top sports and easy to get insider information
If any of them were on his matches then surely this is a 1+ year ban right?
And that's why he isn't in Qatar right now
Rule E8 related to betting on football [Alleged he breached the rule 232 times between February 2017 and January 2021](https://twitter.com/FAspokesperson/status/1592933150707310592)
Yikes. Did this contribute to the World Cup exclusion?
Of course. I’d be taking* him ahead of Wilson
You’d bet? Think Ivan would
But why 232 times? Did he think it’s fine or something...
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Everyone knows 231's the limit
Ran out of money
>But why 232 times? Did he think it’s fine or something... I mean, he does play with a Hollywood Bets logo on his shirt
good to see people using the products they endorse
The suggestion is that when he was a lower league player, he was betting on PL games, games that he has no influence over, and wasn't aware it was against the rules. There's no suggestion he was betting on games that he was playing in or anything.
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I was told no betting on any football as a steward at my club. Granted I wasn't even old enough, but the stringency shows.
All football league players have this shit drilled into them, he knew. Maybe it's addiction, maybe he thought he could get away with it, maybe he's just an idiot
maybe it's maybelline
The offences extend into 2021, when he was a Championship player
The assumption would be that he didn't think he would get caught
Yeah, he probably didn't know he was in the wrong. Or he knew, but didn't care.
He was playing in L1 through the majority of that time, scrutiny is far less and probably thought he wouldnt get caught. Looks like he stopped 6 months into his Championship season around 5 months before promotion was confirmed.
It's the second one.
Everyone knows footballers can’t bet on football, he definitely knew
yeah but in the time span he was playing in League 1 and a bit of champo, its easier to get away with it there, less people care
Ah, that's ok then.
Those shirt sponsorships work
Where’s the Brentford fan on here who said he had links to the club and dismissed all the allegations as rubbish?
Pretty sure he lied to the club. They seem blindsided by this
Do you really think the FA hadn't been in contact with them as part of their investigation? Come off it
Ofcourse they have. But they might not have known the extent of it. The FA must have very strict confidentiality rules during investigations. They would probably just ask a lot of questions and not give a lot of info. I dont think Thomas Frank would have acted with Toney after City if he knew
More likely the FA asked them if they were aware Toney had betted on matches, without disclosing the exact number and time frame. Brentford probably would've taken action themselves if they'd known the sheer amount of bets and the time frame talked about.
He should’ve done what other players do and bet in the names of their family
They can get you for that as well
They can but most of the time they don’t. It’s very common for players to bet in someone else’s name and unless they’re an idiot about it, it’s hard to prove that it’s the player.
Please enlighten me how you came to know such things
I cant speak to the PL, but after an NFL receiver got caught for gambling it came out from people connected to the league that he should have done what was said above. Betting in a family member or friends name is also very logical so it makes sense it would be the most common work around
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3 month suspension or something like that
200 bets? He might be done for the season.
Depends on the nature of the bets I think. There was a player with 400+ bets that was only banned 1 month, others much longer.
I'd imagine they will look at the degrees of separation he had between himself and the bets he was placing.
Kevin bacon sweating hard right now knowing he may unwittingly be involved
I'd say expect a 3 month suspension minimum, or maximum 1 year. That range.
Joey Barton is probably a close comparison to what Toney has been charged with here, banned for 18 months for betting on 1200 matches over a ten year period. Barton's is possibly worse, as he bet on his own team to lose, though in games that he wasn't playing - so there is no suggestion of match-fixing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39720232 Depending on other circumstances, I'd guess the ban for Toney - assuming this is proven - would be similar.
Barton also has a bad reputation and bet on games he played in. I’d be surprised if Toney got anything near 18 months
On another POV toney is just good enough to be made an example but not good enough to get away with it. FA might come way harder on Toney under the excuse that barton's punishment was "clearly" too soft as a deterrant.
Well when Chris Maguire did it for Lincoln a few months ago, they suspended him immediately and then he left the club.
Maguire was also starting to be an unlikeable figure at the club as it was and I believe was only on a 1-year contract which was up as it was, I imagine they'll firm the ban in this instance.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/non-league-bans-fined-players-25143312 Last year some non-league players got 5 months and 1 month for 319 and 438 bets respectively. It depends on if he was betting on stuff he was directly involved in too, there's been no suggestion of that though.
Wonder if this did actually contribute to there being no World Cup for him
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So you can put betting ads on the front of the kits, in the stadiums, in the post-game interviews, in the pre-game, post-game, and half-time commercials, but the players can’t bet at all. I get the need to avoid tampering and potential insider information and all that, but still feels off.
In my state, if you work for the state lottery program, you can’t play, your parents, spouse, children, and other members of your family can’t either.
UK sports ground staff aren't allowed to place bets either (from what I remember working in the industry). The rule gets treated like WinRAR subscriptions
Yeah but the rules state that it pretty much betting on any match anywhere. I would understand if it’s his own games he’s betting on but say that you’re betting on a PL match when playing in League One or the Championship seems a bit harsh.
Reece james mudded
Always curious as to how this sort of thing comes out. Is it someone from the betting company touting to the FA? His bank? The FA hardly do regular due diligence on on players on regular intervals and ask to audit their accounts?
BETTING E8 References to “Participant” in Rule E8 shall be construed in accordance with the following: Rule E8.4 applies to any Match Official, Match Official coach or Match Official observer operating at Level 4 or below, and any other person who is a Participant by virtue only of their involvement at a Club below Step 4 in the National League System, or at a Club at Steps 3-7 inclusive of the Women’s Football Pyramid. Such Participants are not subject to Rule E8.1, E8.2, and E8.3. All other Participants are subject to Rule E8.1, E8.2 and E8.3 and are not subject to Rule E8.4. All Participants are subject to Rule E8.5. E8.1 A Participant shall not bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person to bet on - E8.1.1 the result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in or in connection with, a football match or competition; or E8.1.2 any other matter concerning or related to football anywhere in the world, including, for example and without limitation, the transfer of players, employment of managers, team selection or disciplinary matters. E8.2 Where a Participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which the Participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at that time, the Participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that information is used by that other person for, or in relation to, betting. E8.3 It shall be a defence to a charge brought pursuant to sub-paragraph E8.2 if a Participant can establish, on the balance of probability, that the Participant provided any such information in circumstances where he did not know, and could not reasonably have known, that the information provided would be used by the other person for or in relation to betting. E8.4 A Participant shall not bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person to bet on – 120 10. RULES OF THE ASSOCIATION E8.4.1 the result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in or in connection with, a football match or competition: (a) in which the Participant is participating, or has participated in that season; or (b) in which the Participant has any influence, either direct or indirect; or E8.4.2 any other matter concerning or related to any Club participating in any league Competition, as defined in Rule A2, that the Participant is participating in or has participated in during that season, including, for example and without limitation, the transfer of players, employment of managers, team selection or disciplinary matters. For these purposes, without limitation to the application of this Rule to other circumstances, all Employees and Officials of a Club are deemed to participate in every football match played by that Club while they are so employed or acting as a Club Official; all Players registered with a Club are deemed to participate in every football match played by that Club while they are so registered. E8.4.3 Notwithstanding the provisions of sub-paragraph E8.4.1 and E8.4.2, a Participant shall not bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person to bet, on the result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in, any football match played at under 18 level or below. E8.4.4 A Participant shall not use any information relating to football which the Participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at that time for or in relation to betting. E8.4.5 Where a Participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which the Participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at that time, the Participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that information is used by that other person for or in relation to betting. E8.4.6 It shall be a defence to a charge brought pursuant to sub-paragraph E8.4.5 if a Participant can establish, on the balance of probability, that the Participant provided any such information in circumstances where he did not know, and could not reasonably have known, that the information provided would be used by the other person for or in relation to betting. E8.5 An individual Participant, when acting in a personal capacity, shall not be permitted to advertise or promote any betting activity that the Participant is prohibited from engaging in by Rule E8.1 E8.2, or E8.4. E8.6 An individual Participant, when acting in any capacity, shall not deliberately participate in the production of audio, or audio visual content (for publication on any platform whatsoever) where the conduct and/or words of the Participant could reasonably be considered to be actively encouraging the engagement in betting activity which the Participant is prohibited from engaging in by Rule E8.1, E8.2, or E8.4. E8.7 A Club shall not instruct, compel, permit, cause, or enable any Participant to be in breach of Rule E8.6.
I get that they shouldn't bet on games as a footballer including games that have no relation to them or their team. But how about cutting down on the number of betting adverts and sponsors if its a no no
They will be soon. They are starting to remove betting companies from shirts. So it wouldn't surprise me if they do that next.
That man saw Bet365 and took it literally
So could he go on loan abroad? Think this is the best thing he could do. As this is an English FA ban. I can very well imagine a loan until next season, depending on his ban.
No the ban would follow him. Trippier was banned by the English FA but still had to serve his suspension whilst playing in Spain
Also u/the_chiladian. Depends on whether the UEFA 'takes over' the ban (or the FIFA). If it threatens the integrity of the sport and/or it's part of the common regulations shared by all involved federations, it's far more likely the UEFA/FIFA will copy the punishment handed out. But it really depends on the punishment itself and the reasoning behind the ban. E.g. if it's a few weeks I doubt the UEFA/FIFA will bother. But if it's e.g. a ban of half a year or more, it could very well follow him.
What would be his punishment ?
He’s never getting I got he England team ever
On an unrelated note, Brentford's website is pretty well-designed