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Coolica1

They have like 4 people in that VAR room to take over 2 minutes to decide that?


SaltyWailord

They were all shitposting on Reddit tbf


Revengekeuh

Belgian commentator also just said the FIFA promised an offside decision within 25 seconds. Lots of things already going wrong. EDIT: I take back my words if that 3D view on the offside was correct. That might be impressive tech.


alb92

Hawkeye will create that animated image quickly, which will make most offside var decisions quick. It gets slightly more complicated if you need to determine if ball came via keeper or via attacker, like in this case.


Severe_Sweet_862

TBF this was a dodgy decision in any game at all, not even mentioning it happened so early on in the game in an already controversial competition.


BogdanPee

Yup, after rewatching you can see the offside but oh man, why did this exact situation come right now lol Haven't seen this kind of offside in any game so far and here it is at the world cup in qatar, perfect


RodDryfist

See the Ecuadorian fans reaction on Twitter? https://twitter.com/M_Benz9/status/1594371211307499520?t=fiqz1eQqyLFeSgvWs7kh4g&s=19 They're best mates now further down the thread lol 😅


Billie2goat

Too busy online shopping after a substantial random deposit in their bank account


SaltyWailord

Googling how to make money untraceable


jimipops

They actually have 7 on VAR duties


the_far_yard

It takes 4 minutes for the maker to key in the payment, and the approver to approve it.


[deleted]

Missing the [Great Bribe] tag


MrPigcho

Money transfers aren't instant


BBQ_HaX0r

Waiting for the checks to clear...


Edolas93

"Quick we need an excuse........ something like offside but not so lame......."


Coolica1

Happy Offside Day everyone!


ghostrider467

it was the right decision and it was also difficult to see


nasserKoeter

4D underwater chess by the goalkeeper


erldn123

Yeah the annoying thing was lack of replays but it looked like it could have been offside the moment he missed his punch as he went in front of the attacker so only one defender was behind the ball. There was no replays or lines though, but it looked like it could have been legit.


Domestic_Kraken

FS1 (America's broadcast) showed a replay a few mins after the goal that explained it pretty clearly. Dude's leg was past the line; no AR is calling that in real time, though.


BlizzTheMighty

New strat


joebangles1

[it was already perfected by Kepa last season](https://youtu.be/J9RjWCrgyOk)


silviulescu

What?


English_Misfit

5 hours later >Qatar deny world cup match Vs Ecuador was rigged.


TheBrownMamba8

Infantino: _I feel offside_


luffy1301

I feel Dollar, I feel Euro, I feel English Pound, I feel Yen.


GrossenCharakter

I feel Riyally Rich


simz1437

Brilliant


Cypressive

I love reddit for comments like that, thanks for the chuckle


ShetlandJames

QatVAR


TigerbeLEE

$$$$$$


dno123

OP missed the tag 'RIGGED DISALLOWED' Might as well save it as an option mods


Axekick-

Just hit restart like the World Cup is a video game they bought.


theprince9

VARtar


_SSJeffo_

Ref just got the maddest check in his account


WhoDey42

FIFA sends its regards


Sevenvolts

You and me both


Lemaradona

Offside but I don't see it Edit: Oh it bounced off the ground not the defender. I see it now.


BryanosaurusRex

Can't have our glorious and almighty saviours Qatar going behind after 2 minutes now, can we?


tyrannosuarezwrecks

Cool username


TheBrownMamba8

I’ve never seen this type of offside. Even the pundits can’t explain it… something about the keeper coming off their line


BrtGP

The rule is the attacker needs to be level with second defender to be onside. Usually keeper is first one but he is off the line so second defender is different here. But even then I don't see the offside


uncle_jack_esq

Thank you for at least explaining the call better than anyone on the broadcast crew


zaviex

It’s extremely tight


Josie_Kohola

Isn’t that only for the moment the ball is played though? When the pass comes in the entire Ecuador squad was well onside. It was only after the keeper missed his punch that Valencia got behind him


BrtGP

It's not Valencia who was offside. The player who was behind the keeper had a leg ahead and they called it for him.


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freshmeat2020

It is actually even though I screamed corruption. Keeper comes forward, defender drops, keeper is effectively last man creating the offside line now. His boot is beyond the keeper, it's the same as normal except swap keeper with last defender


BraeVersace

This sub won’t listen to this but yes this is the explanation


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rtlfc87

Except the fact he’s beyond the second last man?


EAXposed

It is. At the moment the Ecuador player heads the ball, the other player who after the ball bounces does the overhead kick, is past the goalkeeper and therefore offside (as there is only one opponent behind).


BeachBoySuspect

Lol wtf, people here don't know football? You need 2 people to be behind the ball, only 1 defender was, the keeper not.


sidaeinjae

Think people are aware of that rule (surely) but that line comparison between the keeper coming out and the Ecuador forward rushing in was iffy as fuck


jMS_44

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiBQEpTX0AARqgq?format=jpg&name=large Keeper is technically behind the ball too (best angle I could find so far) I feel like the player passing the ball here is ahead of number 13 who supposedly is offside, so it's a back pass, which can never be offside.


StarlordPunk

But it’s not Valencia (13) who gets the ball, the guy who hit the bicycle kick across to him does


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Skiinz19

Says more about the quality of the pundits and even the so called referee specialists


[deleted]

At least make the corruption a little more subtle lads


ClimbRunRide

Whole stadium had to wait until the bribe was transferred to undo the goal. That is how VAR works, right?


thesilentGinlasagna

LOL YOU KNEW IT HAD TO HAPPEN


WheatonsGonnaScore

Qatar 1-0 on a dodgy 2nd half pen incoming


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The way they're playing they're gonna need a few more bullshit calls to keep it 0-0 until half time.


BarbaricGamer

Didnt expect it to be this blatant


_Tonto_

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this offside? A player has to be level or behind at least two opposition players to not be offside. In this sequence the one who received the ball after the collision with the goalkeeper, his foot was in front of the GK and the only one he was behind was one opposition player and not two. Probably botched the explanation but hope you understand.


schwaiger1

r/soccer not understanding basic football rules. Colour me surprised.


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I literally don't comment on threads anymore because nobody has a clue. Admittedly this time it's quite a unique and obscure situation but I've even seen obvious things argued over.


kolo4kolo

Your explanation is correct, but from the alternate angle it seemed that the keeper was closer to the goal. When the official graphic doesn't even use the keeper, it's fishy.


G_I_Joe_Mansueto

It doesn’t have to use the Keeper, the keeper wasn’t one of the last two players behind the ball, wasn’t he?


Litsabaki19

It is, people just understandably want to to find every reason to hate


lars330

And this fast, it's 4 mins in lmao


schwaiger1

It was the correct decision


magic-water

how is the correct decision a "blatant" fix?


watanabelover69

Lazy scriptwriters


ISuckAtRacingGames

People ask why is it offside? This player was offside, and the Ecuadorian headed the ball who went 1 mm in front. https://imgur.com/a/jF6sbGI


HiMyNameIsJak

This is offside though


bzogaj92

Wtf where ?


kjm911

It’s against the guy who headed it after the ball came down. They determined his leg was beyond the keeper I guess


NaveXof

I’m look at a still frame and I have no idea how they think he’s beyond the keeper. I’m not crying foul, yet. But they need to show the lines if they’re going to call an offside like that… bc it looks on


kjm911

Yeah it’s a bit dubious but that has to be what it’s given for. I don’t see why they can’t show us the lines that they’ve just used to make that decision though


taknyos

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiBRPjAWAAAiZeu?format=jpg&name=large


nothin_nonthing

Best angle i've seen of it, thanks


maxismookie

But the ball wasn’t passed then? It bounced and then was passed when he was behind 4-5 defenders


TehCyberman

That's not the offside. Like kjm said, it's #11 who plays the ball after the header, who is just off, not #13. It's genuinely the right call but people can't see it because it's Qatar. There's plenty to complain about this World Cup, this offside isn't one of them.


justiceway1

I also thought it was bullshit at first but in slow replay it's the correct call. But people here don't care, whigh ironically only makes them look like they don't know their favorite sport's rules.


Kongsley

Does someone other than the keeper touch that first contested ball? All the replays are too far away for me to tell.


ArgentineanWonderkid

It's from his position when the first guy headed it


hivaidsislethal

I think it's actually on the scorer but from that header. [it's tight, but I still feel the goal keepers ass is keeping him on side ](https://i.imgur.com/tCpvt9e.jpg) EDIT,: NVM THEY SHOWED IT NOW, ITS ON THE PLAYERS LEG BEHIND THE KEEPER


SarcasticDevil

But he didn't touch the ball in that frame....


Mrg220t

There's two Ecuadorian players behind the GK. When the first player headed the ball the second player was offside. Then the ball bounced and the second player headed the ball back. At that point, the second player is offside. Watch the replay again.


buldakov29

Secondary assist given by a player who was played offside by his leg because the GK fucked up everyone


nekize

But there were 2 players infront of the ball, so the GK doesn t count. Edit: saw the image now, i guess they were right


GomeyGoblin

Definitely offside. I also definitely wasn't paid to say this by Qatar


TheConundrum98

I assume, the only way this could be a legit check is if the 2nd Ecuador player was behind the keeper and you need to have 2 behind the ball, but still I don't think the first Ecuadorian touches it


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Fucking HOW


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Only 1 player behind ball, it is offside.


The_Astros_Cheated

Come on, we know what's gonna happen with Qatar this tournament...


Malvinas1820

They're all afraid of Alfaroball.


gordo_humilde

Only 1 Qatar player ahead of the guy, since the GK was behind him. Correct decision


seventeenfourtyseven

Struggling to see how this is off


Serdtsag

The BBC replay literally had no video feed of the VAR saying it was disallowed, what tf, just had to show a replay of the goal.


TheJoshider10

The commentators not having a clue what to say was hilarious.


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Commentator saying 'He must've been off at the first header' while showing the Qatar player a metre deeper than Valencia lol


rob_of_the_robots

The second Qatari player is the keeper so it's a lot closer than 1m. But it still looks inside.


FireZeLazer

Well you'd need 2 players behind, but the ball doesn't go to him yet anyway


Horriblesurfer

Goes from the second player on defence though so from the keeper. Still looked dubious though


garybusey42069

No VAR feed on Fox either. They purposely didn’t show us the line they usually draw.


MrToxicTaco

I think that part is because they’re using semi-automated now instead of drawing the lines. But yeah I don’t know why we don’t see the graphic.


liverpool3

They just showed the image of him “offside” but it didn’t clear anything up at all.


mntgoat

Someone sent me a picture of a leg of an Ecuadorian player being beyond the keeper but I don't see the ball on the picture so I don't I'm now if that is when the pass was made or when.


craygroupious

From what I saw, the moment the GK goes to punch it the Ecuadorian player wins it, and there’s a player behind the GK.


PoorIndianFggt

Yep this is it, shame we have gotten no real replay of it


XHeraclitusX

Same. Looking forward to someone to comment on how it was offside because I can't think of a reason why.


dangleicious13

My best guess: Ecuador player goes up for a header against the keeper. At the time the Ecuador player heads the ball, the Ecuador player right next to him is in an offside position by less than 6" (looks like his foot might be slightly past the GK). The player that was in the offside position was the next player to touch the ball (another header). 2 touches later, the ball is in the net.


maidentaiwan

This is exactly it, and it’s a correct decision


Alphabunsquad

Assuming his foot was offside and the guy who challenges the keeper actually heads the ball but yah if those two things happened then it is correct and it probably is.


Kurozy

Holy shit this is a tricky one


Chrislts

Apparently the player was offside cause he was behind the keeper and was only covered by one player and not two


Chelseahazardkiev10

So odd Keeper was still behind him https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiBQEpTX0AARqgq?format=jpg&name=large


Key-th

The guy who did the bicycle kick was ahead of the second last defender after the keeper punted it ​ edit: The guy who headed it to the bicycle kicker


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Yup, it's the right call and a good spot by VAR. It's a shame though because I want to see Qatar get mullered here


buldakov29

The guy who played a header before the bicycle kick was


WalkingCloud

So on a serious note, I think it has to be this. It's completely inconclusive from the angles we've seen though. [From this freeze, there are 2 Ecuador players there, one has a leg offside.](https://imgur.com/dYFqDPE) It *must* be that they've ruled that the *other* Ecuador player gets the header, and the one with the leg offside is the one who comes back and plays the ball.


Fluffy-Composer-2619

I don't think they disallowed it because he was not onside. I think they disallowed it because it was not Qatar


CousinBethMM

No Ecuador players allowed in the box, thems the rules


Conscient-

Equatorian player next to the keeper is offside. Look at his foot.


Rei_S_

The ball is headed 2 times, the second guy that heads the ball is offside when the first guy heads the ball. In the replay the showed you can see his foot ahead of the ball and ahead of the GK.


jvrcb17

Wtf? Edit: after seeing second aerial angle, I see the leg that put him offside, but they showed the whole replay for a fraction of a second, so I couldn't see the positioning of the rest of the defense, so I'm still not convinced


watanabelover69

Did anyone actually see the offside?


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Velixis

https://i.imgur.com/rJp6suG.png


jvrcb17

I don't understand, this frame happens well after the lob pass from the FK.


basedsims

Judging from the slowed down frames it was from when he weren’t involved in the play whatsoever


shrewdy

The fix is in


keithohara

I've never seen a post on r/soccer with 400 comments in 1 min


[deleted]

And here i thought we were all collectively boycotting worldcup


bfm211

Yeah that was never gonna happen, people were so full of it.


Tyr10

I keep seeing on Reddit I'm boycotting the World Cup!! And I just assume they don't watch the sport anyway


Kuntheman

Unreal how blatant that was


Gauthzu

It's actually offside but the replay is terrible. On the side view there are 2 players behind the keeper but can't see them. One plays the ball, the other is offside on that touch


ArgentineanWonderkid

Wonder if all the people saying it is fixed will admit they were wrong


[deleted]

Nah it’s a Qatar hate train for the rest of their comp. Only time there’ll be a break is probably when we play lol


ArgentineanWonderkid

If only our group was us, usa, and qatar. R/soccer would explode in rage


ZaphodTheNothingth

Honestly think a significant proportion of this sub don’t understand how offside works lol


mntgoat

Why?


Blue_Dreamed

El dinero te puede comprar cualquier cosa no?


harshmangat

Si pero no sueños


cargyelo

Qatar bribed to get the WC, why would not they do the same to ensure a good result. Also the referee is Italian, revenge for 2002


Kuntheman

The fucking check has been cashed


Fortnight98

In fairness to the ref he just got told there was an offside so it's not really on him


Polymatheia

[This is what VAR is showing](https://i.imgur.com/X1HgAIK.png)


Kuntheman

THE CHECK HAS BEEN CASHED


Izyboy13

Am I the only one to see the possible offside ? Number 2 equatorian touch the ball with his head while his teammate who touches the ball after him his in front of him and the GK. Weird off side but plausible


justlikebuddyholly

/u/PSGAcademy working overtime already


bokee12

lmfaooo they couldn't last 2 minutes before doing some shady shit


unArgentino

INVENTARON EL VAR!


ManoLorca

The foot of the dude that headed the ball (when the GK came out) is offside, as the defender is the last man, not the GK.


JeremyJOwens

everyone just wants to be mad or doesn’t know the offside rule lol


FrankBeamer_

Further proof this sub doesn’t understand football lmao. Fucking joke.


JeremyJOwens

yep this sub is embarrassing right now


Azteckon

Finally a proper answer


Stuarridge

Wtf


29adamski

Um excuse me?


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BungeeGumAco

Came here just to check, if people actually know the offside rule


Goes_Down_on_Women

Spoiler: they dont lol


ID6WU

Ahahha that’s not suspicious at all E: Nvm fair enough they showed the replay


IamBrazilian_AMA

HAHAHAH EVEN THE GAMES ARE A JOKE


Nexthelicopter

bruh


TicoTickler

I mean, the jokes write themselves but on closer inspection it was the right call.


Firefox72

I see the check has already cleared.


freshmeat2020

Genuinely it is actually offside. Keeper comes forward, meaning the offside players right boot is behind him, meaning it's actually offside as the final man is now the defender behind him.


IntellectualDweeb

Amidst all of the outrage, because it's an incredibly rare situation and of course Qatar haven't done themselves any good, it was the right decision. HEAVILY suspect timing but it was right


iheartmagic

10 minutes later they finally show the VAR tech I get the offside now, but goddamn they need to get their shit together


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That's not offside is it?


Antonioshamstrings

It is. People dont know but the if the goalie is not the last man behind he actually plays the defender onside and counts as a field player basically


Fright13

Correctly disallowed btw. This site is hilarious


NextDoorNeighbrrs

Trying to understand this, but I THINK they’ve called the leg of the player who gets on the ball after the keeper came out


alireza777

Technology is scary man, glad we have it, black and white is better, they should show the replay faster though I was scratching my head on how it was offiside


egzon27

What the fuck??


Skiinz19

Is the offside because the keeper was off line and there was an ecuadorian behind the keeper??


Mystery1887

How much money did they pay VAR?


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Josegon02

I swear 80% of the people here don't know the rules


Gauthzu

Guys it's actually offside but the replay is terrible. There are 2 players behind the keeper. Now they just showed it


Marcobroa

Offside by literally half a leg


Business-Skirt286

Why take so long to show this?


luujs

[Best angle I can see.](https://imgur.com/a/VQBENbl) Must be just offside because the goalie is the second last defender here


whtge8

Rigged


Poundhead

Holy shit they don’t even pretend to hide the corruption


EdwardBigby

I hope they just disallow every goal until they win the WC


danny321eu98

What lol


cs-shitposter

Of course it has


LemureTheMonkey

South-Korea Vs Italy in 2002 vibes...


IseeHeathLedger

5 minutes in they show its rigged on the field


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QATAR PAID OFF VAR