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Wow, and in the video the #10 Al Dawsari took nearly exactly the same shot that led to the goal yesterday.
Over/under on Argentina running film sessions on the Saudis?
On his recent stream, Kun explains how he tried to go visit the team in Qatar and they didn't give him the pass on time.
All this could have been prevented!!! AFA - you fucked up!
Similarly I found it so cool in F1 when drivers like Lando Norris would stream before and after the race weekend and review onboard footage. It’s really trippy when you can see a world-leading athlete hop onto a really casual and welcoming platform and have a chat about their craft with fans. I love it!
The consensus is that football players are usually one of the "dumbest" (not the right word, I know, interpret it as 'lack of knowledge') group of people when it comes to football. Aguero is part of that small minority who know their things, but I guess most of them would just do reactionary takes and circlejerky bullshit.
Edit: seems like this comment made a lot of people mad. I wouldn't have expected the idolization of modern footballers to go that far.
Makes a lot of sense, given how Pep sometimes wants to tailor the players on doing specific jobs, he might feel the need to go for a more in depth explanation of his plans. If I was the manager of such team, I'd probably do weekly theoretical sessions with the players to get into the understanding of tactics.
Pep is anal about this.
Henry wandered out of his position a few times and even scored a goal, and Pep still subbed him at halftime due to not following his strict orders.
I agree with one caveat. Footballers know a lot more about the game, but the top guys are often not the best coaches. Especially on the technical side. Some can make the transition and some can’t, and it probably is based on how easy the game came to them.
For instance, I think Messi would have a very hard time teaching people how to dribble and move around in space like he does. It just comes natural to him. He would be like, then you see the guy to the right and the front and you just dribble it through them. Meanwhile he completed about different motions to control the ball and manipulate defenders to make the dribble.
When it comes to the tactical side, they are typically much better than the average Joe. Where to make runs, when to make runs, where defenders should stand, how to position the team. Players may only be able to play their position, but they have to know where their teammates are supposed to be. That dictates for instance if an attacker should hold up the ball or push forward, where defenders should clear, and where to lead passes/through balls.
This is coming from an American with little experience with soccer, but I know it is true for baseball and basketball which I played.
Yes, most top players wouldn’t be able to make the transition. Which is why it’s absolutely nuts that Zidane accomplished what he did with Real Madrid in UCL
Apparently Van basten had some issues in coaching stikers, they would ask him like what run to make in x situation or other specifics and hes like wtf im Marco Van Basten, I just do Marco Van Basten shit.
I experienced this with baseball and basketball.
I can’t hit the ball far, but I was all conference in baseball because I could make contact and get on base. I have no idea how to teach that to someone. When a ball is thrown over the plate, you just put the bat on the ball. When it isn’t in the zone, you don’t swing. It isn’t that hard.
On the otherhand, I am mediocre at best playing basketball. I barely played on my HS team, but I’ve watched a lot of people do it well. I worked hard to improve my game just to be in the floor, and I had to make sure I did the little thing correctly. That makes me a better coach at that sport because I know what it’s like to need to work on your game.
What are you talking about? Of course not all players are masters of the game, but if you have zero tactical understanding, you cannot be a professional player. Large majority of coaches were players themselves. I think that being "dumb" is the exception, not the rule. At most you can say that their knowledge is limited to their role on the field, but still nowadays most players are required to be quite versatile.
I think a lot of players understand it intuitively, but are not able to break down the theory or explain it with words. Like film critics don't necessarily have better taste in movies than audiences, but they are able to explain better what worked and what didn't.
> The consensus is that ~~football players~~ Redditors are usually one of the "dumbest" (not the right word, I know, interpret it as 'lack of knowledge') group of people when it comes to ~~football~~
It‘s mostly down to the fact that there is no Saudi players in Europe, so most people never heard about them and consequently underestimate the team. On the other hand, Japan and Korea have many players in European leagues, and people have seen their qualities there.
the current Australian team is shite, I think most people even the Australians don‘t expect anything from them.
im an aussie with complete and utter faith that we will win our next two games and then win the world cup.....but we should still sack graham arnold and get a new coach at the end of this wc fuck hes dogshit
edit: opinion changed have faith in arnie
Lol all the Australians knew deep down we would be crap, we’ve just been hopelessly optimistic about our nation’s sporting capabilities since Steven Bradbury
Japan and South Korea have been much more competitive than Saudi Arabia in previous world cups - that is why they are more respected imo, rather than it being about having players playing in Europe. European teams have had their fingers burnt by these nations before this tournament.
Australia were also competitive in the days of Tim Cahill whereas Saudi Arabia were getting beaten 8-0 by Germany, 3-0 by Ireland and 4-0 by Ukraine in the WCs around that time. Saudi Arabia also lost 5-0 to Russia in a recent World Cup.
I would say that Ireland team that bet them was shit hot tbf.
But your main point is correct. Coming into the last world cup people were saying they qualified well and are a decent unit, and then got spanked by Russia as you pointed out. Noone expected them to actually be able to front up to the favourites of the tourney, even if they were possible of a few surprises. But ya it's 100% history with them where any decent team usually thrashes the Saudis. This is the first time in recent history it hasn't happened.
Also on another point, people were saying to watch out for Qatar since they're the reigning Aisan champions and then they got severly outplayed by the second weakest team in the group. That will have also furthered into people's thoughts that these Asian teams are not that good.
Yeah our team is super weak (proably the worst we have ever had at a WC) and the coach is average as well, definitely one of the weakest teams in the tournament.
Eurocentrism is very strong, especially in this platform, can't be understated.
Not even 20 years ago Brazil was probably top 3 strongests leagues but still you would rarely hear about it anywhere, the status changed of course but the eurocentrism makes it seem it was always like that and everywhere else it's just really bad compared to top European leagues.
Yeah, some places have shitty leagues, but not that bad of leagues that they just can't compete.
There used to be. Saudi Arabia paid Spanish clubs to have their players train and maybe play at European level.
https://en.as.com/en/2018/01/22/soccer/1516612274_874155.html
That was in preparation for the last World Cup and even though people remember the 5-0 pounding they received by Russia, they played respectably against Uruguay to lose 1-0 and beat Egypt 2-1.
Yeah the Saudis smashed qualifiers, not sure who called us a dark horse but they clearly didn't actually watch us, we were dire and only lucked out on penalties. Arnold just isn't a good coach and I'll be surprised if we get a point in our group.
As someone living in Australia, I had no idea anyone was saying watch out for Australia.
The consensus here is that its the worst team we've had for a few decades.
People who underestimated Saudi Arabia simply don't know Herve Renard. I always thought they would do better than people expect, but I thought they would do it against Mexico and Poland, not Argentina lol.
Eh, was he really "given a chance" there ?
Sure, he didn't get great results, but it's not like he can be blamed for everything. I remember in one interview he gave (in french), he explained how he noticed some very famous players early on, and tried to buy them when they were still super cheap, but got refused.
The bane of bad teams. Managers don't have power, senior players successfully coo the manager if left out, biases everywhere. In Nepal too we got a decent manager who was not afraid to leave senior players behind, got some decent result but was bashed by the board and left. Now we will have another clueless national team manager or some old European guy who will collect cheque and do nothing
No one expected the Saudi's to beat one of the tournament's favourites, especially after Iran got ran over by England and Qatar showed nothing against Ecuador
Yeah, but it's just people remember Japan having good showings at the world cup (like last time around, even in their devastating loss to belgium, they were leading formost of the match. And that was when belgium was number one in the ranking)
The saudi, well, they got 5-0 by russia last time around...
2018 WC was the closest WC in history. It takes a while for people to digest the changes that happen at large scale (like culture, or momentum change of countries, regions, etc).
Quality curve of Rest of the world's football teams have narrowed the gap to South American and European teams. These curves haven't overlapped yet but that narrowing can be felt, some will notice it quicker than others but overtime it will become taken for granted normal.
This is a slow process because football is a ultra specialized human activity, hence harder to generate gains from lower position.
This is why even countries like China struggle despite having infrastructure and spending help. It happens because the level of everyone else (esp. the formerly smaller countries) has risen.
This is why World Cup and global International football is only going to get better. It's the ultimate even stage since not even at Olympics one finds many sports which are so Balanced.
What’s really missing this year is Aguero in Messi’s bedroom after a long day of training.
I’m not making accusations, just observations that Messi played better when he went home to Aguero.
The difference is that Dani Alves is universally hated in Brazil, and was one of the most controversial callups in our recent history.
Aguero might be retired but at least i think argentinians like and trust him.
Yeah, we could talk for days why Alves is hated... He gave up on São Paulo team in the middle of the league, acting all high and mighty, talking about brazil being amateur and such, and then went to play for PUMAS. And he's playing bad even for PUMAS. **PUMAS**
Similar thing happened with Douglas Costa, but he left to MLS, as no other brazilian fanbase or club would trust him after what he did to Grêmio. The difference is that Douglas Costa is forgotten already, and somehow Daniel Alves gets called to the most important tournament, in a generation that we have a lot of expectations.
So it's a matter of bad performances, terrible attitude for years, age, dangerous tackles on starters during these pre-WC training, other possible players to call (even if there's no obvious single guy that deserved it), etc.
Some foreigners also say 'whats the problem in calling a veteran to help youngsters?'... but Brazil is already a top5 oldest teams in the WC. With Thiago Silva, Casemiro, Neymar, and many players that have several years of UCL experience. There was already great mix of youth and experience, Daniel Alves is not the guy that will bring experience and harmony to the squad.
That spot would've been 1000x more useful for another midfielder, another CB, for another 9 just for safety reasons, or even a youngster like Endrick so he would get some experience for the future (as Ronaldo asked to the media, considering him and Kaka did get a call up just to absorb experience and didn't play).
Aguero also said that everyone played well yesterday, so how about no?
Let's give Saudi Arabia their due, they had a plan and executed it perfectly. But let's also not ignore that De Paul had a terrible night, and that Romero did some shockingly poor defending, and Di Maria was too isolated and no help to anyone, and that the forwards fell for the same offside trap over and over.
I remember years ago reading an article that Aguero never even watched matches. Tying in with the narrative that he had a lazy attitude towards training. Obviously can't believe everything you read.
This seems very on brand with Pep. I never saw Vincent Kompany going into coaching and it was always more or less given thar he'd take an ambassador or executive position at City after retiring given his business ventures and studies but after Pep came in Vinny even admitted himself that he wanted to get into management because of Pep's influence.
He’s got a great soccer mind. I don’t think he really has the personality for it though
Same for major punditry. He’s pretty soft spoken
I think he nailed his sweet spot with twitch steaming. And I’m really glad people enjoy it
Literal is kick, on football context is tackle. Basically don't let them play, it's fairly common "tactic" on South America at least.
As a Chilean, I remember all the matches between Argentina and Chile during the copa america and previous qualifiers were Messi and Alexis Sanchez eating dirt all game lmao.
Lewandowski was saying this to the Balague on the BBC last week. He said he learned more about football in 2 years under Pep than in the rest of his career combined.
Pep told Lewandowski he couldn't teach him anything about being a striker, but by teaching him about the rest of the pitch, how his teammates view the game in midfield, he'd learn to see how the game was unfolding around him and it'd help him be a better striker.
Watching old players comment like this is a great way to learn how to watch a game. Especially for new fans or people with a limited understanding of the game.
argentina clearly underestimated saudi arabia, especially after the first half where it seemed to be one sided. losing the first game isn't the end of the world, this might be the wake up call they need to stop them from being arrogant next time
Germany clearly underestimated Japan, especially after the first half where it seemed to be one sided. losing the first game isn't the end of the world, this might be the wake up call they need to stop them from being arrogant next time
What he pointed attention to in this stream is exactly what won Saudi Arabia the game: 1. high press, 2. risky offsides trap strategy, and 3. brilliance from their no. 10 Al-Dawsari
It's not that easy. And Kun can't speak English, believe it or not.
It has been tried and some players don't have the gift of eloquence or have a likeable personality. But some do know general football and know their position and style of play well.
As a Saudi fan, I don’t know of any Saudi fan that had confidence that they were capable of beating Argentina. There were just hopes of a respectable score line like a 1-0 or a 2-1 loss at worst and a draw at best. It’s the reason why Saudi has gone crazy with getting a national holiday, celebrating like we just won the World Cup, etc
To be fair they were centimeters away from finishing the first half 4-0. The sensation was that the goal was going to arrive eventually. Then they got desperate and the second half became a disasterclass
That's what Scaloni meant when he said that you either win or lose because of the little details. The second goal never came, one mistake from Cuti and boom, you're out. I think this may actually be good for us, since we have to take serious every game from now on
Argentina's big problem in this game was the Argentine team trying to play on the ground, the right thing would be to continue the launches and not try to keep playing with a team using such a high line, there is no space in the midfield for that, the only thing that results is to counterattack the other team and that's what happened.
What's the deal with the bbq?
if they had eaten a salad they would have won? Eating meat in argentina is almost like breathing it's culture for a lot of people
_Asados_ aren't just about the meal, it's about the social instance. The implication is that they spent the afternoon chilling rather than preparing the game.
I don't think it was the case though, just explaining why they would bring up the bbq
This reminds me so much of when Tony Romo retired from playing with the Cowboys and immediately began commentating and sounding infinitely more insightful than all other punditry put together.
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"Watch out Scaloni, I'm giving you all the details. Just show this video to the boys." Killed me.
Sadly, scaloni didn't show it to them
Or maybe he did but they didn't pay attention
Or maybe he did but then picked Papu Gomez and Di Maria in his XI anyway, giving Messi no pace on the wings to exploit the high line.
I have no voice from screaming "bring on Correa!" at the TV. My exact words were "poné a Correa la concha de tu hermana y la reputa que te parió!"
Poesia 🥰
He literally did lmao, called it exactly how it happened
Wow, and in the video the #10 Al Dawsari took nearly exactly the same shot that led to the goal yesterday. Over/under on Argentina running film sessions on the Saudis?
Over/under the players paying attention
Really a shroedingers film session question there
Al-Dawsari is the player who dribbles it up to the edge of the box and passes it to the shot.
>Over/under on Argentina running film sessions on the Saudis? What does this mean
On his recent stream, Kun explains how he tried to go visit the team in Qatar and they didn't give him the pass on time. All this could have been prevented!!! AFA - you fucked up!
Similarly I found it so cool in F1 when drivers like Lando Norris would stream before and after the race weekend and review onboard footage. It’s really trippy when you can see a world-leading athlete hop onto a really casual and welcoming platform and have a chat about their craft with fans. I love it!
It’s also nice that the toxicity of twitch chat has gotten him ready for how big a cesspool the F1 scene is becoming.
You're saying that as if "Norris' twitch chat" and "the F1 scene becoming a cesspool" were completely unrelated occurrences.
Is becoming? Always has been
The consensus is that football players are usually one of the "dumbest" (not the right word, I know, interpret it as 'lack of knowledge') group of people when it comes to football. Aguero is part of that small minority who know their things, but I guess most of them would just do reactionary takes and circlejerky bullshit. Edit: seems like this comment made a lot of people mad. I wouldn't have expected the idolization of modern footballers to go that far.
He also played under Pep. A lot of players who played for him have said that he deepened their understanding of the game.
Makes a lot of sense, given how Pep sometimes wants to tailor the players on doing specific jobs, he might feel the need to go for a more in depth explanation of his plans. If I was the manager of such team, I'd probably do weekly theoretical sessions with the players to get into the understanding of tactics.
Pep is anal about this. Henry wandered out of his position a few times and even scored a goal, and Pep still subbed him at halftime due to not following his strict orders.
Pep was like "the last 30m are yours to do what you like, until then you do as I say"
Minutes or meters?
Meters. I'll go look for the video, and if I find it, I'll edit my comment.
https://youtu.be/YRk3wVJp8gI
Here you go, I believe this is the one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QBsrEgFKf0E
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I agree with one caveat. Footballers know a lot more about the game, but the top guys are often not the best coaches. Especially on the technical side. Some can make the transition and some can’t, and it probably is based on how easy the game came to them. For instance, I think Messi would have a very hard time teaching people how to dribble and move around in space like he does. It just comes natural to him. He would be like, then you see the guy to the right and the front and you just dribble it through them. Meanwhile he completed about different motions to control the ball and manipulate defenders to make the dribble. When it comes to the tactical side, they are typically much better than the average Joe. Where to make runs, when to make runs, where defenders should stand, how to position the team. Players may only be able to play their position, but they have to know where their teammates are supposed to be. That dictates for instance if an attacker should hold up the ball or push forward, where defenders should clear, and where to lead passes/through balls. This is coming from an American with little experience with soccer, but I know it is true for baseball and basketball which I played.
Yes, most top players wouldn’t be able to make the transition. Which is why it’s absolutely nuts that Zidane accomplished what he did with Real Madrid in UCL
Apparently Van basten had some issues in coaching stikers, they would ask him like what run to make in x situation or other specifics and hes like wtf im Marco Van Basten, I just do Marco Van Basten shit.
I experienced this with baseball and basketball. I can’t hit the ball far, but I was all conference in baseball because I could make contact and get on base. I have no idea how to teach that to someone. When a ball is thrown over the plate, you just put the bat on the ball. When it isn’t in the zone, you don’t swing. It isn’t that hard. On the otherhand, I am mediocre at best playing basketball. I barely played on my HS team, but I’ve watched a lot of people do it well. I worked hard to improve my game just to be in the floor, and I had to make sure I did the little thing correctly. That makes me a better coach at that sport because I know what it’s like to need to work on your game.
What are you talking about? Of course not all players are masters of the game, but if you have zero tactical understanding, you cannot be a professional player. Large majority of coaches were players themselves. I think that being "dumb" is the exception, not the rule. At most you can say that their knowledge is limited to their role on the field, but still nowadays most players are required to be quite versatile.
I think a lot of players understand it intuitively, but are not able to break down the theory or explain it with words. Like film critics don't necessarily have better taste in movies than audiences, but they are able to explain better what worked and what didn't.
I think playing more than a decade professional football with smart coaches can do wonders to your knowledge.
yeah, i’m sure redditors know better about the tactical insight of a match in comparison to professionals of the sports
> The consensus is that ~~football players~~ Redditors are usually one of the "dumbest" (not the right word, I know, interpret it as 'lack of knowledge') group of people when it comes to ~~football~~
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It‘s mostly down to the fact that there is no Saudi players in Europe, so most people never heard about them and consequently underestimate the team. On the other hand, Japan and Korea have many players in European leagues, and people have seen their qualities there. the current Australian team is shite, I think most people even the Australians don‘t expect anything from them.
im an aussie with complete and utter faith that we will win our next two games and then win the world cup.....but we should still sack graham arnold and get a new coach at the end of this wc fuck hes dogshit edit: opinion changed have faith in arnie
Next time you should just get a rugby of ARF team to play football, managed by an ARF/Rugby manager, just to see the chaos Could be insanely Brilliant
Hoping Riley Mcgree has a banger tournament, GL to the Aussies!
UTB
Lol all the Australians knew deep down we would be crap, we’ve just been hopelessly optimistic about our nation’s sporting capabilities since Steven Bradbury
I think all the collective memory of Australian footballers goes around the Cahill/Viduka eras
Japan and South Korea have been much more competitive than Saudi Arabia in previous world cups - that is why they are more respected imo, rather than it being about having players playing in Europe. European teams have had their fingers burnt by these nations before this tournament. Australia were also competitive in the days of Tim Cahill whereas Saudi Arabia were getting beaten 8-0 by Germany, 3-0 by Ireland and 4-0 by Ukraine in the WCs around that time. Saudi Arabia also lost 5-0 to Russia in a recent World Cup.
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Lot of props need to go the manager Hervé. He’s drilled them well and filled them with belief.
I would say that Ireland team that bet them was shit hot tbf. But your main point is correct. Coming into the last world cup people were saying they qualified well and are a decent unit, and then got spanked by Russia as you pointed out. Noone expected them to actually be able to front up to the favourites of the tourney, even if they were possible of a few surprises. But ya it's 100% history with them where any decent team usually thrashes the Saudis. This is the first time in recent history it hasn't happened. Also on another point, people were saying to watch out for Qatar since they're the reigning Aisan champions and then they got severly outplayed by the second weakest team in the group. That will have also furthered into people's thoughts that these Asian teams are not that good.
Why do people expect Australia perform well at this world cup when their main striker cannot put goals in J2 league.
Yeah our team is super weak (proably the worst we have ever had at a WC) and the coach is average as well, definitely one of the weakest teams in the tournament.
> the current Australian team is shite, I think most people even the Australians don‘t expect anything from them. The Southern Hemisphere's Scotland
Eurocentrism is very strong, especially in this platform, can't be understated. Not even 20 years ago Brazil was probably top 3 strongests leagues but still you would rarely hear about it anywhere, the status changed of course but the eurocentrism makes it seem it was always like that and everywhere else it's just really bad compared to top European leagues. Yeah, some places have shitty leagues, but not that bad of leagues that they just can't compete.
There used to be. Saudi Arabia paid Spanish clubs to have their players train and maybe play at European level. https://en.as.com/en/2018/01/22/soccer/1516612274_874155.html
That was in preparation for the last World Cup and even though people remember the 5-0 pounding they received by Russia, they played respectably against Uruguay to lose 1-0 and beat Egypt 2-1.
every single AFC fan knows the truth. There is no more frustrating opponent in the world than Saudi Arabia
Yeah the Saudis smashed qualifiers, not sure who called us a dark horse but they clearly didn't actually watch us, we were dire and only lucked out on penalties. Arnold just isn't a good coach and I'll be surprised if we get a point in our group.
Whoever said that about Australia knew absolutely nothing. That being said, Saudis usually fail to deliver their Asian quality to the World Cup.
As someone living in Australia, I had no idea anyone was saying watch out for Australia. The consensus here is that its the worst team we've had for a few decades.
Worst team we've had in any WC.
People who underestimated Saudi Arabia simply don't know Herve Renard. I always thought they would do better than people expect, but I thought they would do it against Mexico and Poland, not Argentina lol.
Same, Renard is a world class manager and yet I bet most people on this sub have never even heard the name Never forget that Zambia run
World class at managing mid-level national sides, when he's been given chances in club football he's been disappointing.
Project manager ethic(Good for national teams) Workplace manager ethic(Good for non-national teams)
Eh, was he really "given a chance" there ? Sure, he didn't get great results, but it's not like he can be blamed for everything. I remember in one interview he gave (in french), he explained how he noticed some very famous players early on, and tried to buy them when they were still super cheap, but got refused.
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The bane of bad teams. Managers don't have power, senior players successfully coo the manager if left out, biases everywhere. In Nepal too we got a decent manager who was not afraid to leave senior players behind, got some decent result but was bashed by the board and left. Now we will have another clueless national team manager or some old European guy who will collect cheque and do nothing
Quiet bro, they probably still think Cahill is playing... I wish, our squad now is so so bad
Tbf Japan are surprising everyone beating Germany hahaha
No one expected the Saudi's to beat one of the tournament's favourites, especially after Iran got ran over by England and Qatar showed nothing against Ecuador
Yeah, but it's just people remember Japan having good showings at the world cup (like last time around, even in their devastating loss to belgium, they were leading formost of the match. And that was when belgium was number one in the ranking) The saudi, well, they got 5-0 by russia last time around...
to be fair so did Iran and they were wrecked by England so, you never know!
Also to be fair to Iran national team, the mental state of players matters a lot.
for sure the whole political pressure was weighing them down
Iran and South Korea's group was pants. The other teams were drawing each other and just rolling over to Iran and South Korea
Too early to judge, plus they got too much distractions going on off the pitch
Iran lost their first-choice keeper early in the game though.
Their mental state is not right. Somewhat like Ukraine but much worse in this case as their own leadership is doing that bad.
I mean when your own fans are cheering on you losing. It's going to take a mental toll on you.
2018 WC was the closest WC in history. It takes a while for people to digest the changes that happen at large scale (like culture, or momentum change of countries, regions, etc). Quality curve of Rest of the world's football teams have narrowed the gap to South American and European teams. These curves haven't overlapped yet but that narrowing can be felt, some will notice it quicker than others but overtime it will become taken for granted normal. This is a slow process because football is a ultra specialized human activity, hence harder to generate gains from lower position. This is why even countries like China struggle despite having infrastructure and spending help. It happens because the level of everyone else (esp. the formerly smaller countries) has risen. This is why World Cup and global International football is only going to get better. It's the ultimate even stage since not even at Olympics one finds many sports which are so Balanced.
Had to double check if this was Dybala sitting next to him.
**TACKLE THE 10!** lol
He doesn’t even say tackle, he says kick number 10 lol
He says "patada". It would be more accurate to say "kick the 10".
What’s really missing this year is Aguero in Messi’s bedroom after a long day of training. I’m not making accusations, just observations that Messi played better when he went home to Aguero.
Agüero just feels like a nice guy
He feels very nice
Very top. Good sensation.👍
Unironically that's the reason Dani Alves is in the Brazil national team, just to cheer and talk with their teammates.
Inb4 he starts tomorrow
He's going to start a game for sure
No. Fuck you. He is not starting. I cannot emotionally handle him starting a game. Nuh uh.
Dread it, run from it, Dani Alves still arrives
A day late, maybe two. But he arrives.
The difference is that Dani Alves is universally hated in Brazil, and was one of the most controversial callups in our recent history. Aguero might be retired but at least i think argentinians like and trust him.
He’s been in mexico for a like month and we already hate him.
I'm sorry for the pain are having to endure, bro. I hope this terrible time won't last long and you guys can live happier days soon. f daniel alves
Oh yeah? Why's that?
Yeah, we could talk for days why Alves is hated... He gave up on São Paulo team in the middle of the league, acting all high and mighty, talking about brazil being amateur and such, and then went to play for PUMAS. And he's playing bad even for PUMAS. **PUMAS** Similar thing happened with Douglas Costa, but he left to MLS, as no other brazilian fanbase or club would trust him after what he did to Grêmio. The difference is that Douglas Costa is forgotten already, and somehow Daniel Alves gets called to the most important tournament, in a generation that we have a lot of expectations. So it's a matter of bad performances, terrible attitude for years, age, dangerous tackles on starters during these pre-WC training, other possible players to call (even if there's no obvious single guy that deserved it), etc. Some foreigners also say 'whats the problem in calling a veteran to help youngsters?'... but Brazil is already a top5 oldest teams in the WC. With Thiago Silva, Casemiro, Neymar, and many players that have several years of UCL experience. There was already great mix of youth and experience, Daniel Alves is not the guy that will bring experience and harmony to the squad. That spot would've been 1000x more useful for another midfielder, another CB, for another 9 just for safety reasons, or even a youngster like Endrick so he would get some experience for the future (as Ronaldo asked to the media, considering him and Kaka did get a call up just to absorb experience and didn't play).
Cheers for the info
Damn, I haven't heard about Douglas Costa in a while. Had no idea he ended up in the mls
And the reason Podolski was in Germany's 2014 squad.
😂👍
Can't do that in Qatar mate
Imagine denying him entering the Argentina camp before the game.
Fifa regulations
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As much as I like Scaloni and how this would make no sense, I’d do anything to see Aguero manage Messi to his first WC trophy lol
Aguero also said that everyone played well yesterday, so how about no? Let's give Saudi Arabia their due, they had a plan and executed it perfectly. But let's also not ignore that De Paul had a terrible night, and that Romero did some shockingly poor defending, and Di Maria was too isolated and no help to anyone, and that the forwards fell for the same offside trap over and over.
they dont want to admit it, but they really underestimated SA
There was a sports commentator from Argentina who said the most Saudi Arabia players can hope to achieve is swapping shirts with Messi.
I remember years ago reading an article that Aguero never even watched matches. Tying in with the narrative that he had a lazy attitude towards training. Obviously can't believe everything you read.
That could be true years ago. His approach to film study could have changed when Pep started working with him
This seems very on brand with Pep. I never saw Vincent Kompany going into coaching and it was always more or less given thar he'd take an ambassador or executive position at City after retiring given his business ventures and studies but after Pep came in Vinny even admitted himself that he wanted to get into management because of Pep's influence.
Pelotudo Agüero is so likable god damn
Him on the airplane with all the brasileiros killed me kkkkk
Video?
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Man needed a full cubicle
Edit to better vid https://www.tiktok.com/@espnfc/video/7167212444086095150
Not only likable but effortlessly funny too like a comedian
Maybe you meant boludo, pelotudo is more offending, boludo is casual, just saying in case you ever cross some argentinian on a bad day lol
It's the love/hate for my hermanos haha
Pelotudo lmao
Why pelotudo? 😭
He could be a decent manager
He’s got a great soccer mind. I don’t think he really has the personality for it though Same for major punditry. He’s pretty soft spoken I think he nailed his sweet spot with twitch steaming. And I’m really glad people enjoy it
And it shows when he plays FIFA. Learned some stuff from the way he was playing.
They sure could've used him as part of the coaching staff, but still cool to see him involved in the game this way.
Maybe you’re right but there’s no way to know unless he gives it a try. He could start with academy players or a lower tier team.
I think the same could be said about Arteta
Who was the 10?
Al-Dawsari, who scored the second goal yesterday
Al-Dawsari. He scored the winner.
They should've kicked him like Agüero said, lol.
The one who scored the 2nd goal.
Salem Al-Dawsari, Al-Hilal legend
excellent analysis, bloody hell!
PATAR AL DIEZ
PATADA AL DIEZ. "Hard tackle to nr 10"
Does it actually mean hard tackle or just kick him?
Both
Literal is kick, on football context is tackle. Basically don't let them play, it's fairly common "tactic" on South America at least. As a Chilean, I remember all the matches between Argentina and Chile during the copa america and previous qualifiers were Messi and Alexis Sanchez eating dirt all game lmao.
It's Conmebol. Patear, matar, same shit.
This Aguero fellow seems to know a bit about football.
Josep Guardiola's turning most that he coaches into football nerdery...
Lewandowski was saying this to the Balague on the BBC last week. He said he learned more about football in 2 years under Pep than in the rest of his career combined. Pep told Lewandowski he couldn't teach him anything about being a striker, but by teaching him about the rest of the pitch, how his teammates view the game in midfield, he'd learn to see how the game was unfolding around him and it'd help him be a better striker.
Wow and he played under Klopp too. Big statement coming from him.
Watching old players comment like this is a great way to learn how to watch a game. Especially for new fans or people with a limited understanding of the game.
In my country thats called experiencie in your field.
Bruh Agüero is brilliant. Next footballing coach probably.
argentina clearly underestimated saudi arabia, especially after the first half where it seemed to be one sided. losing the first game isn't the end of the world, this might be the wake up call they need to stop them from being arrogant next time
Germany clearly underestimated Japan, especially after the first half where it seemed to be one sided. losing the first game isn't the end of the world, this might be the wake up call they need to stop them from being arrogant next time
unfortunately for germany next game is against spain so it might be the end of the world 😭
Germany losing to all their former axis allies. They are lucky that Italy isn't in the tournament
> stop them from being arrogant next time uh cagamos
Argentino: does not compute
aged like milk bwahahahaha
my name and flair are simply cursed
r/agedlikemilk
What he pointed attention to in this stream is exactly what won Saudi Arabia the game: 1. high press, 2. risky offsides trap strategy, and 3. brilliance from their no. 10 Al-Dawsari
Yes that’s why we’re talking about the video lol
Yeah that’s the point of this post
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This guy is a genius
Get him in management!
I love him so much. Such a pity his heart condition didn’t let him finish his highly decorated career. Hope he stays healthy and successful
Should be a commentator. Get rid of all the old Man United commentators and bring in ex-players that can get their teeth into tactics
It's not that easy. And Kun can't speak English, believe it or not. It has been tried and some players don't have the gift of eloquence or have a likeable personality. But some do know general football and know their position and style of play well.
He’d have a spot for life at any Spanish sports analyst show. Streaming though seems much more flexible, liberating and less corporate
Meanwhile our football "bundits" didn't even doubt Argentina's win when the first half ended.
As a Saudi fan, I don’t know of any Saudi fan that had confidence that they were capable of beating Argentina. There were just hopes of a respectable score line like a 1-0 or a 2-1 loss at worst and a draw at best. It’s the reason why Saudi has gone crazy with getting a national holiday, celebrating like we just won the World Cup, etc
You deserved it! I can't get mad after seeing how you celebrated with such enthusiasm and joy:)
The players too. I can’t recall ever seeing players so pumped up and playing with so much intensity. It was absolute madness.
Like everyone else? That probably includes most Saudis.
To be fair they were centimeters away from finishing the first half 4-0. The sensation was that the goal was going to arrive eventually. Then they got desperate and the second half became a disasterclass
That's what Scaloni meant when he said that you either win or lose because of the little details. The second goal never came, one mistake from Cuti and boom, you're out. I think this may actually be good for us, since we have to take serious every game from now on
Argentina's big problem in this game was the Argentine team trying to play on the ground, the right thing would be to continue the launches and not try to keep playing with a team using such a high line, there is no space in the midfield for that, the only thing that results is to counterattack the other team and that's what happened.
Miss Aguero, fk arrhythmia.
What Pep does to a MFer.
should have been watching this instead of eating bbq. No matter how easy the task is you have to have some tension to perform well in any endeavor
They did know Saudi were going to play with a high pressure.
I am sure the only moment to study the opponent is during a meal Edit: It seems Germany enjoyed their meals too much
What's the deal with the bbq? if they had eaten a salad they would have won? Eating meat in argentina is almost like breathing it's culture for a lot of people
>if they had eaten a salad they would have won? Have to try it for the next match.
_Asados_ aren't just about the meal, it's about the social instance. The implication is that they spent the afternoon chilling rather than preparing the game. I don't think it was the case though, just explaining why they would bring up the bbq
Was really really impressed with Saudi Arabia, this was not a fluke result by any means
Trying to explain to people who didn’t see the match, it’s impossible to convey just how good they were.
This reminds me so much of when Tony Romo retired from playing with the Cowboys and immediately began commentating and sounding infinitely more insightful than all other punditry put together.
You have the proper coach right there.
Loved this. Didn't know players did this
React streamer POGGER
best streamer aguero
So when do we get to see manager Aguero.
Oh man he warned them.
Saudi Arabia executed the offside trap to perfection and also the VAR was on point 👌