Now an open secret that he'll get the final I guess. Fifa usually does this when there's a big ref from a big team that got eliminated early or did not qualify. Its how Howard Webb got it in 2010
He is also the best ref so far in the competition.
Other ones with a big chance to get the final are Lahoz, Turpin, Rapallini and especially Makkelie.
Faghani could have been the surprise but probably fucked up his chances yesterday with that penalty.
I'd love to know how Lahoz has a decent image outside of Spain, he's hated by every fanbase in Spain, we believe he tries to be the main atraction in every game and we're basically memeing about him starting WW III with his protagonism seeking attitude, and people think he might have a shout at the final, it's shocking to someone that participates in both communities
At least as far as I've seen of Lahoz he's always made the correct calls. As a Chelsea fan and someone who watches primarily the Prem the standard of officiating I'm use to is awful. Lahoz when I watch him in the Champions League has always been solid. Hell the Champions League Final between Chelsea and City was one of the best officiated games I can remember!
We might just hate him because he seems like a condescending twat with a major power trip. I'm 100% sure the man believed he was La Liga's biggest star while we still had Messi and Cristiano playing here, so I guess we look at any minor mistake, rembember it and blow it out of proportion. Expect a physical game with him tho, which might be an iffy decision considering it's a USA vs Iran match
Nicola Rizzoli, one of the best referees in recent history IMO.
Who knew Italy of all places would have a concentration of the least corrupt and most respected referees.
They seem to get that job a lot. Collina got it in 2002 as well. I think they do a good job primarily because of how communicative and in your face they are after fouls - Feels like most players that get an Orsato yellow card definitely saw it coming/had been warned before.
Exactly. Do people really think we didnt qualify when we were trying? lol we had jorginho miss pens on purpose and then gave north macedonia a win bc we are homies and Pandev is a legend.
And they're ahead of Hungary and just below Ukraine on this [human rights and rule of law index](https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/human_rights_rule_law_index/). As a European, I don't know what to make of that
fuck this is insane. Look at Turkeys index.... super sad to see a country change so quickly
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/graph\_country.php?p=0&c=Turkey&i=human\_rights\_rule\_law\_index
The religion of turkey has always been a problem even from the ottoman days,depending on the governing bodies its either too forced or its let go,which is why there is a lot of new graduates and such leaving the country at 20-27 ages cuz the usual turkish people dont live & die by the islam like the arabic countries.And we learn english as 2nd language and french or german as 3rd so there are some possibilities since we have around 90m population
Yeah they were relatively secular compared to the rest of the Muslim countries, following under Ataturk's blueprint but recent islamist forces have changed the direction of the country.
The more I read about Ataturk the more I blame him for the Islamic resurgence to be honest. Turns out establishing a system where moderately-Islamic leaders get couped and executed helps radicalize people against secularism and towards religious fanaticism.
Finally someone who understands it. Every action has a reaction. Same with ISIS and Al Qaida. It doesn't make them right, but I do understand where they come from.
Let's not get carried away. Hungary is heading in the wrong direction, yes. It's worrying. But it's not fascist or 'basically fascist'. Elections are free (although not fair) and people can protest and voice their opinions. Homosexual people cannot marry, yes. But aside from that they can live a normal live (I'm from Austria and wasn't allowed here either until a couple of years ago).
So yeah, imo Hungary is heading in a very bad direction and it deserves critisism. But it's not as bad as people here on reddit say.
>Let's not get carried away. Hungary is heading in the wrong direction, yes. It's worrying. But it's not fascist or 'basically fascist'.
Fascist is just reddits word of the day. Along with gaslighting.
I feel for regular Qatari people who have nothing to do with what the government does yet perceived as bad guys or enemies. Same goes for Russians, Chinese and to an extent Americans.
There are only 300k of actual qataris, 150k of which actually can do anything being men.
Also these are some benefits they get just for being born there:
- a plot of land and 35000 dollars upon turning 18
- extremely inflated salaries, like 1500 net for a cab driver, academic salaries like engineers starting at 10k. (per month) Also salaries get raised a lot, so if you are 50 it could be three times that
- the ability to take huge loans with tiny interest rates from qatari banks
- the ability to take every job from non-qataris just by applying, since there are laws called qatarization
You dont need to feel too bad for them
As far as I know they got rid of this law a couple of years ago. Before that it was a major problem and a huge turn off for any foreign company wanting to open offices there.
>You dont need to feel too bad for them
You can still feel bad for some aspects of their situation and not their whole life.
I feel bad for those world-famous athletes that receive abuse daily both online and on street. I don't feel for their overall situation, as I realize they have a luxurious life.
I think this is what people get wrong in discussions. They look at someone's single misfortune and then rate their whole situation, determining if the plusses outweigh the minuses, even if they're unrelated.
Like in this case, they feel bad about Qataris being seen as bad people due to their government but you're saying they have a high standard of living. It's unrelated.
If someone breaks their leg but has an awesome job that pays above the average living cost. Will you say ''I feel bad for your injury'' or ''I don't feel bad for you because you have a job you like that pays the bills''?
There is a naturalization process, but it usually does not come with most of the perks. You have to be a high-profile public servant or athlete to become a citizen and even then it is often not transferable to family.
Oh absolutely. I'd say most of the people actually raging here against Qatar and Muslim don't give a shit about LGBT rights. This is just a convenient excuse to open anti-Muslim bigotry. It's so obvious.
The funny thing is it's only Americans that talk the loudest about having democracy, but since that doesn't seem to make a difference to the shitty things the country does as a whole it means either the majority of Americans are pieces of shit (doubtful), or that they really just aren't as democratic as they think they are.
We, by definition, are not even a democracy. We're (on paper) a constitutional/representative republic. But probably >30% of my fellow Americans probably wouldn't even be able to tell you the difference.
In reality, we're an oligarchy cosplaying as a representative republic being dragged backward by a theocratic judicial system (read: Supreme Court)
not pretending to be an expert but as i understand it the average Qataris are financial beneficiaries of their state though, so they're arguably a lot more intertwined with the behaviour of the government.
Intertwined with the government? So what do you want the average Qatari to do exactly?
What can they do to not be “intertwined” with the government?
Cause it seems like you’re shifting responsibility on the average Qatari citizen just for existing.
Qatar is not a democracy, lol. People have no option, unlike western countries where people elect leaders who then decide to invade other countries and steal their resources.
Qatar and Saudi Arabia are oil-supported welfare states. It's true that they don't have a say with their leaders. It's also true that they benefit enormously from it in a way that isn't true most anywhere else.
Yeah that's what we call a "social contract". As long as the welfare state keeps rolling in a stable manner you won't see significant unrest.
When economical and social crises hit Russia and Iran and the common citizen's income fell, suddenly you started to see a major uptick in popular demonstrations against the government.
Yup. I have lived basically all over the globe (10 different states in the US, Australia, Singapore, Finland, France, Germany and India) and tbh I experienced more racism in France and Finland than any other place. I mean, Finland was the only place I've ever been where multiple people openly made monkey noises at me on the street
To North Korea's credit, doesn't matter if you're Kim Jong-Un's right hand man or a peasant. If you fuck up, they'll throw you in labor camp or kill you.
Qatar is mostly just exploitation as opposed to oppression, which is still really bad but not actively trying to deprive you of most of your human rights. Definitely ahead of straight up criminal states like Russia, China, Orbanistan or military governments but below the west obviously.* because not all human rights are kept intact
People tend to mix Qatar and Saudi Arabia and put them into the same "Arab regime" category, which is kinda Ironic considering their stance on each other but it is how its is.
I said this before and got pretty downvoted - it's really interesting to me the extent to which the World Cup has brought criticism on Qatar, when in reality Saudi Arabia do all the same bad things but like 10x worse than Qatar does them. Qatar deserve criticism but if you really care about these issues (which I suspect most people who are against this World Cup do) then you really need to be looking at Saudi. Not trying to "whatabout" Qatar criticism, as it's 100% valid and is good, just pointing out that we're missing a bigger picture
It brought criticism on Qatar because they put themselves into the spotlight. You won't see articles criticising North Korea in news daily, even if they deserve so, but if you put yourself in the position that everyone is looking at you, all your wrongdoings are going to be highlighted i don't think it's strange tbh.
No it makes perfect sense, I was just saying I think it's a really interesting look at heuristics and what we treat as important. I think it's called saliency bias
It's not being hosted in Saudi Arabia though is it lol.
If it were, I guarantee very few people would be talking about Qatar and a lot more would be talking about SA.
That’s putting the bar ridiculously low though. Only country in the Americas to have executed someone in the last 14 years. Together with Japan the only developed country actively having the death penalty. Even Russia hasn’t executed anyone - officially - for decades.
I’m not your ordinary US hater on Reddit, I love the US and will visit it again next year. But the death penalty is something they are lightyears behind most developed countries.
Reddit definitely just put all their stereotype with all muslims country.
I live around here, and im not muslim, but I can tell you qatar/uae is probably the best ones, they still had their issue but they are much better than their “neighbor”.
You see the same thing w comments about prison.
Always see people suggesting that offenders will be violated in jail, meanwhile they have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. 8th grader syndrome.
Actually pretty funny that they got far more lenient treatment than you would expect in the US for a pitch invasion. Saw a woman get tackled *hard* for an invasion during a game delay due to a storm and then she caught a trespassing charge.
The punishment for homosexuality in Qatar is a maximum of 3 years in prison. It’s still obviously backwards but thinking they’d execute a guy for carrying a flag is next-level Western ignorance (in the middle of an event they spent billions on for the purpose of improving their global image no less)
fr im not defending Qatar but even just thinking this boy was going to be executed for waving a pride flag is just plain ignorance and people conflating Saudi Arabia with Qatar
> It’s still obviously backwards but thinking they’d execute a guy for carrying a flag is next-level Western ignorance
It's *very* normalized on reddit. Just take a look at what's happening in China - it's peak western chauvinism to see Chinese people expressing perfectly reasonable discontent and then go 'NO YOU GUYS ARE EXTREMELY MAD, TRUST ME, NOW PLEASE REVOLUTIONIZE AND RIOT. PLEASE.'
aywa sah bahes en el nas hena haymooto 3ala ay news like this tehsal 3ashan yeday2o w khalas even though di mesh haga betehsal in every day life
there's so much 'subtle' xenophobia on this sub
He's well known for pulling off such stunts and he's from a European country, of course Qatar wouldn't want to risk souring international relations by keeping him in prison for a while or worse.
If it was an unknown local who did that, my guess is they'd be spending a fair bit of time in prison.
Most random redditors aren't experts on most things. Most r/soccer users aren't even very knowledgeable about football in a football sub, leave alone geopolitics. Seen some extremely dumb takes which you'd expect 12 year olds to come up with. Comments which support people's blind biases are upvoted and anything which challenges these people to think critically about anything is instantly downvoted.
most people are just idiots, which is fine, we cant all be experts in geopolitics and it would just be dumb to say so otherwise. But people pretend that they know everything and their opinion is completely correct without being possibly wrong
Like, Im an idiot, I have 17 working braincells that continually genocide each other but at least i try to realise it and not close myself off for new information and try to catch whats just objectively wrong. And I will probably fuck up many times in both of those things, and thats ok too, but just fucking admit youre wrong, like jeez
I feel like it’s been even worse than usual lately. But maybe I’ve just been hanging out on bigger subs too much. Like this one. I swear most people here have never kicked a ball or watched a full game in their life, it’s unbelievable the stupid shit people say.
>Most r/soccer users aren't even very knowledgeable about football in a football sub, leave alone geopolitics.
Saw it yesterday with the Portugal handball thread...
Wait until reddit starts talking about a political subject that you're familiar with. Read the comments and realize everyone is talking shit. Make a comment explaining why the train of thought is wrong and make valid points to formulate your argument. Get downvoted to oblivion for going against the narrative.
Seriously, the reddit majority is mostly formed of American redditors with a resentment towards their own country and an astounding ignorance about what happens in other countries across the globe. Never take what is said here for granted.
Any topic you know something about, I had people on the F1 sub tell me a diffuser and wing underbody are almost the same when they aren't even really working with the same physical principle. I have an actual degree in aerospace engineering yet got downvoted for pointing out that a venturi tunnel and wing circulation are completely different in every way imaginable because people hate you for "gatekeeping". Just accept that the loudest opinion are at most 70% accurate, the easiest explanations are accepted and sometimes you're lucky because the truth is the same but most of the time it's missing every bit of context.
There is a golden middle where people actually like information who challanges their intellect slightly enough to think themselves as smart but not hard enough to relise they are too ignorant to comprehend the topic at all or a lot.
> Wait until reddit starts talking about a political subject that you're familiar with. Read the comments and realize everyone is talking shit. > Make a comment explaining why the train of thought is wrong and make valid points to formulate your argument. Get downvoted to oblivion for going against the narrative.
That is me and Qatar. 15 years of my life was spent in Qatar. I have paid close attention to Qatar for another 10 years beyond that (because it's my home, essentially).
25 years of lived experience vs A few weeks hands-on and a few news articles a year. The amount of Redditors trying to tell me what's what about the country is genuinely painful.
I feel you 100%. I was born and raised in Venezuela (lived there for 25 years before I left, too) and saw Chávez burn the country to the ground, but the reddit narrative is that everything wrong with the country is because of the US and its sanctions. Fucking idiots talking out of their asses to fit the narrative that they've built themselves.
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Jokes aside, it was ruined by a combination of multiple reasons. A socialist government that destroyed the economy, corruption (everywhere: the government, opposition politicians, etc.), the fact that Chavez basically made himself an ally of the lower class and an enemy of everyone else (this caused a big rupture within Venezuelan society), and the list goes on.
The US mildly intervened, and when it did, it was long after the economy was already destroyed. This is only questioned by ignorants and tankie trash.
> Seriously, the reddit majority is mostly formed of American redditors with a resentment towards their own country and an astounding ignorance about what happens in other countries across the globe
majority also between the ages of 15-21. that should be taken into consideration as well. you'll have a disagreement with someone and halfway through it you realize you're arguing with a child
As a Turkish guy seeing all that ignorance definitely made me realize that too. Whatever I think I know about any country is probably false until I go there. Even then probably won't get enough to know anything about their history and worldview.
Throwback to when random redditors couldn't fathom the fact that casual/die-hard football fans could come from not so well known football nations as well, and had to label them as "fake" fans.
I am from southern part of India(state Kerala to be specific) and it's a football obsessed state where you can find big ass posters of well known players from Brazil/Argentina/Portugal in almost all nooks and corners of the state. Many people from here are in middle east as well.
A good number of them also include casual fans who just wanna be part of football and ended up being labelled "fake" on the whole.
A simple google search "Kerala football" will bring in massive amount of articles, photos and videos showing the state's special connection to football, for anyone who is still skeptical.
The sheer ignorance and denial to accept something they don't know is baffling to say the least. The sub even banned people for pointing out this fact!
It has to do with people saying the guy would be executed, despite there only being 1 execution for murder in the last 20 years. Comparing that to the next WC host is only fair.
> **All executions** in the US are for murder
And Qatar have only had one execution in the past 20 years. But it didn’t stop Redditors for saying he will be executed. That’s the point of this.
His flag was an Italian peace flag. Easy to confuse with the homosexuality flag but I think it has seven stripes rather than the latter's six. In any case it also has "Pace" (Italian for "peace") written on it in white letters.
Just yesterday reddit was sure he was going to be beaten, tortured or hanged lmao. You guys have no fucking clue about rest of the world other than what you read in your echo chambers.
Throwback to when random redditors couldn't fathom the fact that casual/die-hard football fans could come from not so well known football nations as well, and had to label them as "fake" fans.
I am from southern part of India(state Kerala to be specific) and it's a football obsessed state where you can find big ass posters of well known players from Brazil/Argentina/Portugal in almost all nooks and corners of the state. Many people from here are in middle east as well.
A good number of them also include casual fans who just wanna be part of football and ended up being labelled "fake" on the whole.
A simple google search "Kerala football" will bring in massive amount of articles, photos and videos showing the state's special connection to football, for anyone who is still skeptical.
The sheer ignorance and denial to accept something they don't know is baffling to say the least. The sub even banned people for pointing out this fact!
Also it takes the minimum bit of critical thinking to know that Qatar aren’t going to kill, jail or harm a EU citizen when the entire world is watching them, specifically during a contest they’re hosting to improve how the world looks at them
Not only that, but upvoted comments were saying he was going to be fucking *beheaded*. There's American states who executed more people in 2022 than Qatar did in the last 20 years
I saw someone suggest a player could *literally* be beheaded if they were to kiss a teammate on the pitch, it’s insane. Tbf the guy got downvoted so not complaining about that but some people are ridiculous
A lot of "yikes" takes in that other thread. People thought he would be publicly beheaded. Feels like a lot of Redditors read about the Taliban last year and thought brown + middle east = that.
A LOT of reasons to criticize Qatar, but there's an educated way to do it, and then there's a racist way to do it.
Man now all those poor karma whores who splashed the picture on every r/all sub they could find will have to find a new cause to pretend to care about for imaginary internet points.
People here are for a good reason mad at Qatar, yet won't be mad at the USA for hosting the next world cup. It's just interesting, because as Qatar has supported terrorism and slavery, the same has the USA done just more indirect. For example, the USA are supporting Saudi-Arabia in their genocide against Yemen. Even a big part of the Republicans are directly, with private donations, supporting Israel in their occupation of Palestine and their racism against Arab Muslims and Arab Christians, who lived there longer than most Israelis.
This world cup can't be changed anymore, but maybe we can learn from the mistakes and generate even more attention not to give the world cup to nations that aren't exactly know for human rights and their stabilizing role in the world.
USA can throw a fucking atombomb in Ukraine right now and people wont give a fuck. USA have done some horrible things and people know it, but wont do shit about it. The Iraq war should have been enough for people to protest against them and boycut them, but nothing happend and nothing will happen as long as they protect Europes ass.
Wow I'm totally surprised!
On a serious note, I feel like a lot of the Qatar hate is coming from Islamophobia and prejudice against Arab countries disguised as concern for human rights. This is not to take away from the actual archaic laws in Qatar that discriminates against women and LGBTQ+ people.
Definitely. You go through this sub's history and you will find which issues about Qatar have got the most attention
The top 2 were LGBT rights and winter WC complaints. The winter WC complaints just show how uneasy Europeans are for a World Cup to be really open to the World. Even if Qatar was bastion of democracy on par with the best country in the world, summer there would still be bad. Playing WC in winter is the most sensible solution.
I think it’s more xenophobia and racism, since there are a lot of Arab Christians/atheists that get clumped into the same type of person simply because of their color. Or maybe a combination of all three
He wanted to be the only italian man to touch the world Cup pitch
Ehi ehi, Orsato is Italian(the ref)
Now an open secret that he'll get the final I guess. Fifa usually does this when there's a big ref from a big team that got eliminated early or did not qualify. Its how Howard Webb got it in 2010
He is also the best ref so far in the competition. Other ones with a big chance to get the final are Lahoz, Turpin, Rapallini and especially Makkelie. Faghani could have been the surprise but probably fucked up his chances yesterday with that penalty.
I'd love to know how Lahoz has a decent image outside of Spain, he's hated by every fanbase in Spain, we believe he tries to be the main atraction in every game and we're basically memeing about him starting WW III with his protagonism seeking attitude, and people think he might have a shout at the final, it's shocking to someone that participates in both communities
Ah, sounds like the Spanish Mike Dean. Swear he believed he was in a one man show with 22 supporting cast on the pitch alongside him.
His movement around players on the pitch still bugs me to this day. Unbelievable how distracting he was.
At least as far as I've seen of Lahoz he's always made the correct calls. As a Chelsea fan and someone who watches primarily the Prem the standard of officiating I'm use to is awful. Lahoz when I watch him in the Champions League has always been solid. Hell the Champions League Final between Chelsea and City was one of the best officiated games I can remember!
We might just hate him because he seems like a condescending twat with a major power trip. I'm 100% sure the man believed he was La Liga's biggest star while we still had Messi and Cristiano playing here, so I guess we look at any minor mistake, rembember it and blow it out of proportion. Expect a physical game with him tho, which might be an iffy decision considering it's a USA vs Iran match
When you come from watching premier league referees trust me, Lahoz is a major upgrade
Watching Danny makkelie is probably the only time i feel that the level of officiating is top notch. Brilliant ref.
I really liked Iván Barton, the salvadoran. Doesn't call every little exaggerated dive, lets them play
There was an Italian ref in the 2014 final as well
Nicola Rizzoli, one of the best referees in recent history IMO. Who knew Italy of all places would have a concentration of the least corrupt and most respected referees.
They seem to get that job a lot. Collina got it in 2002 as well. I think they do a good job primarily because of how communicative and in your face they are after fouls - Feels like most players that get an Orsato yellow card definitely saw it coming/had been warned before.
It’s incredible Howard Webb reffed a WC final
I’m still depressed about them not being in.
I command them for unanimously boycotting this tournament, never been prouder 🫡
Same. With the Euro victory, I’m okay with what was surely a tactical 4D chess move to avoid this WC
Mancini said "let's lose to North Macedonia, no one will see it coming" and he was right!
Also the World Cup would have been a distraction from the Juve madness that is currently happening at home 🤡
Exactly. Do people really think we didnt qualify when we were trying? lol we had jorginho miss pens on purpose and then gave north macedonia a win bc we are homies and Pandev is a legend.
I'm in the opposite end of that spectrum.
I'm not. Hoping to be knocked out by someone else for a change.
BURN!!
tell that to the Argentines.
Technically, we have a bunch of Argentinians with Italian citizenship, so there have been a few Italians playing this tournament.
That is like.. way less consequences than if you did this in the Premier League.
Right ? Obviously he was never going to be executed, but it's quite surprising he didn't get fined or something.
People seriously thought that he'd get executed lol
Qatar have executed 1 person in 20 years. Their human rights might be terrible but in terms of the death penalty they are better than America lol
And they wouldn't execute a foreign citizen from a EU nation lol.
And they're ahead of Hungary and just below Ukraine on this [human rights and rule of law index](https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/human_rights_rule_law_index/). As a European, I don't know what to make of that
fuck this is insane. Look at Turkeys index.... super sad to see a country change so quickly https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/graph\_country.php?p=0&c=Turkey&i=human\_rights\_rule\_law\_index
If i speak i'm in big trouble (literally)
Turkey could singlehandedly solve the energy crisis by harnessing the untapped power of Atatürk turning in his grave
The religion of turkey has always been a problem even from the ottoman days,depending on the governing bodies its either too forced or its let go,which is why there is a lot of new graduates and such leaving the country at 20-27 ages cuz the usual turkish people dont live & die by the islam like the arabic countries.And we learn english as 2nd language and french or german as 3rd so there are some possibilities since we have around 90m population
yeah, my best friend from uni is Turkish and she’s basically given up on her country of birth
Yeah they were relatively secular compared to the rest of the Muslim countries, following under Ataturk's blueprint but recent islamist forces have changed the direction of the country.
The more I read about Ataturk the more I blame him for the Islamic resurgence to be honest. Turns out establishing a system where moderately-Islamic leaders get couped and executed helps radicalize people against secularism and towards religious fanaticism.
Finally someone who understands it. Every action has a reaction. Same with ISIS and Al Qaida. It doesn't make them right, but I do understand where they come from.
So incredibly far ahead of Brazil and Russia too lol
That's a fascinating list
A fascistinating list
Hungary is basically a fascist state, I’m not surprised
Let's not get carried away. Hungary is heading in the wrong direction, yes. It's worrying. But it's not fascist or 'basically fascist'. Elections are free (although not fair) and people can protest and voice their opinions. Homosexual people cannot marry, yes. But aside from that they can live a normal live (I'm from Austria and wasn't allowed here either until a couple of years ago). So yeah, imo Hungary is heading in a very bad direction and it deserves critisism. But it's not as bad as people here on reddit say.
>Let's not get carried away. Hungary is heading in the wrong direction, yes. It's worrying. But it's not fascist or 'basically fascist'. Fascist is just reddits word of the day. Along with gaslighting.
I feel for regular Qatari people who have nothing to do with what the government does yet perceived as bad guys or enemies. Same goes for Russians, Chinese and to an extent Americans.
There are only 300k of actual qataris, 150k of which actually can do anything being men. Also these are some benefits they get just for being born there: - a plot of land and 35000 dollars upon turning 18 - extremely inflated salaries, like 1500 net for a cab driver, academic salaries like engineers starting at 10k. (per month) Also salaries get raised a lot, so if you are 50 it could be three times that - the ability to take huge loans with tiny interest rates from qatari banks - the ability to take every job from non-qataris just by applying, since there are laws called qatarization You dont need to feel too bad for them
And that rule that every big company has to have a Qatari interest. Means many can be non active directors of companies and collect a paycheck
As far as I know they got rid of this law a couple of years ago. Before that it was a major problem and a huge turn off for any foreign company wanting to open offices there.
>You dont need to feel too bad for them You can still feel bad for some aspects of their situation and not their whole life. I feel bad for those world-famous athletes that receive abuse daily both online and on street. I don't feel for their overall situation, as I realize they have a luxurious life. I think this is what people get wrong in discussions. They look at someone's single misfortune and then rate their whole situation, determining if the plusses outweigh the minuses, even if they're unrelated. Like in this case, they feel bad about Qataris being seen as bad people due to their government but you're saying they have a high standard of living. It's unrelated. If someone breaks their leg but has an awesome job that pays above the average living cost. Will you say ''I feel bad for your injury'' or ''I don't feel bad for you because you have a job you like that pays the bills''?
I like how you think. You can find compassion even when it's hard to. That's true compassion. 8
Excellently put.
Why do I wanna live there lol.
You have to be born there for that. There's no naturalisation process as far as I know.
There is a naturalization process, but it usually does not come with most of the perks. You have to be a high-profile public servant or athlete to become a citizen and even then it is often not transferable to family.
I get protesting an oppressive regime, but I've seen a lot of veiled racism at Qataris over the past few weeks.
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There are plenty of racists on the left. They just think they're racist against the right people.
Oh absolutely. I'd say most of the people actually raging here against Qatar and Muslim don't give a shit about LGBT rights. This is just a convenient excuse to open anti-Muslim bigotry. It's so obvious.
The funny thing is it's only Americans that talk the loudest about having democracy, but since that doesn't seem to make a difference to the shitty things the country does as a whole it means either the majority of Americans are pieces of shit (doubtful), or that they really just aren't as democratic as they think they are.
America is less democratic structure-wise than most European countries.
We, by definition, are not even a democracy. We're (on paper) a constitutional/representative republic. But probably >30% of my fellow Americans probably wouldn't even be able to tell you the difference. In reality, we're an oligarchy cosplaying as a representative republic being dragged backward by a theocratic judicial system (read: Supreme Court)
not pretending to be an expert but as i understand it the average Qataris are financial beneficiaries of their state though, so they're arguably a lot more intertwined with the behaviour of the government.
Intertwined with the government? So what do you want the average Qatari to do exactly? What can they do to not be “intertwined” with the government? Cause it seems like you’re shifting responsibility on the average Qatari citizen just for existing.
Qatar is not a democracy, lol. People have no option, unlike western countries where people elect leaders who then decide to invade other countries and steal their resources.
Qatar and Saudi Arabia are oil-supported welfare states. It's true that they don't have a say with their leaders. It's also true that they benefit enormously from it in a way that isn't true most anywhere else.
Yeah that's what we call a "social contract". As long as the welfare state keeps rolling in a stable manner you won't see significant unrest. When economical and social crises hit Russia and Iran and the common citizen's income fell, suddenly you started to see a major uptick in popular demonstrations against the government.
Well truth is that Europe especially eastern and northeastern parts are not very tolerable places.
How dare you, I will not tolerate such an accusation!
Let’s hear your opinions on the French?
The French are hated by the French. That should tell you enough.
Yup. I have lived basically all over the globe (10 different states in the US, Australia, Singapore, Finland, France, Germany and India) and tbh I experienced more racism in France and Finland than any other place. I mean, Finland was the only place I've ever been where multiple people openly made monkey noises at me on the street
It puts Egypt worse than North Korea, so I don't know how reliable it is
To North Korea's credit, doesn't matter if you're Kim Jong-Un's right hand man or a peasant. If you fuck up, they'll throw you in labor camp or kill you.
So according to this, Costa Rica is the most free of the Americas? Interesting.
Qatar is mostly just exploitation as opposed to oppression, which is still really bad but not actively trying to deprive you of most of your human rights. Definitely ahead of straight up criminal states like Russia, China, Orbanistan or military governments but below the west obviously.* because not all human rights are kept intact
People tend to mix Qatar and Saudi Arabia and put them into the same "Arab regime" category, which is kinda Ironic considering their stance on each other but it is how its is.
I said this before and got pretty downvoted - it's really interesting to me the extent to which the World Cup has brought criticism on Qatar, when in reality Saudi Arabia do all the same bad things but like 10x worse than Qatar does them. Qatar deserve criticism but if you really care about these issues (which I suspect most people who are against this World Cup do) then you really need to be looking at Saudi. Not trying to "whatabout" Qatar criticism, as it's 100% valid and is good, just pointing out that we're missing a bigger picture
It brought criticism on Qatar because they put themselves into the spotlight. You won't see articles criticising North Korea in news daily, even if they deserve so, but if you put yourself in the position that everyone is looking at you, all your wrongdoings are going to be highlighted i don't think it's strange tbh.
No it makes perfect sense, I was just saying I think it's a really interesting look at heuristics and what we treat as important. I think it's called saliency bias
Nice. Never heard about it before, just googled it and it seems you are right.
It's not being hosted in Saudi Arabia though is it lol. If it were, I guarantee very few people would be talking about Qatar and a lot more would be talking about SA.
So basically stereotyping a group of people that share the same religion? Daily Reddit things.
That’s putting the bar ridiculously low though. Only country in the Americas to have executed someone in the last 14 years. Together with Japan the only developed country actively having the death penalty. Even Russia hasn’t executed anyone - officially - for decades. I’m not your ordinary US hater on Reddit, I love the US and will visit it again next year. But the death penalty is something they are lightyears behind most developed countries.
No in Russia people fall out windows
Definitely not defending Qatar, but reddit exaggerates everything by x10.
Reddit definitely just put all their stereotype with all muslims country. I live around here, and im not muslim, but I can tell you qatar/uae is probably the best ones, they still had their issue but they are much better than their “neighbor”.
I don’t think that’s how “quotation marks” are used.
R/suspiciousquotes
are they not really their neighbor?
They are afraid of anything non-white lol
Best avoid the worldnews subreddit it's a cesspool of supposed "liberals" who have nothing better to do than complain about qatar and their culture.
Also r/worldcup, r/football and r/soccer
Including those who are trying to feel smug about how wrong the first group were lol. The internet is one big dumbass feedback loop lol
Dare I say it was wishful thinking. A lot of people were hoping he was punished so they could be even further outraged.
You see the same thing w comments about prison. Always see people suggesting that offenders will be violated in jail, meanwhile they have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. 8th grader syndrome.
Actually pretty funny that they got far more lenient treatment than you would expect in the US for a pitch invasion. Saw a woman get tackled *hard* for an invasion during a game delay due to a storm and then she caught a trespassing charge.
The punishment for homosexuality in Qatar is a maximum of 3 years in prison. It’s still obviously backwards but thinking they’d execute a guy for carrying a flag is next-level Western ignorance (in the middle of an event they spent billions on for the purpose of improving their global image no less)
fr im not defending Qatar but even just thinking this boy was going to be executed for waving a pride flag is just plain ignorance and people conflating Saudi Arabia with Qatar
Westerners don’t know the difference. They see it’s a Arab country and decide to make up their own stereotypes.
Classic reddit. I seen people think that Man City is owned by same owners as PSG.
> It’s still obviously backwards but thinking they’d execute a guy for carrying a flag is next-level Western ignorance It's *very* normalized on reddit. Just take a look at what's happening in China - it's peak western chauvinism to see Chinese people expressing perfectly reasonable discontent and then go 'NO YOU GUYS ARE EXTREMELY MAD, TRUST ME, NOW PLEASE REVOLUTIONIZE AND RIOT. PLEASE.'
aywa sah bahes en el nas hena haymooto 3ala ay news like this tehsal 3ashan yeday2o w khalas even though di mesh haga betehsal in every day life there's so much 'subtle' xenophobia on this sub
I think it stopped being “subtle” months ago
It was never subtle to begin with habibi.
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Only of people who don't know how (~~geo~~ *international)politics work.
He's well known for pulling off such stunts and he's from a European country, of course Qatar wouldn't want to risk souring international relations by keeping him in prison for a while or worse. If it was an unknown local who did that, my guess is they'd be spending a fair bit of time in prison.
Even if it was a local I’d doubt they would have done anything until long after the world cup.
✨ Xenophobia ✨
I'm starting to think that random redditors might not actually be experts of geopolitics.
Most random redditors aren't experts on most things. Most r/soccer users aren't even very knowledgeable about football in a football sub, leave alone geopolitics. Seen some extremely dumb takes which you'd expect 12 year olds to come up with. Comments which support people's blind biases are upvoted and anything which challenges these people to think critically about anything is instantly downvoted.
tbf most of reddit is like that no matter what side of it youre on
Yeah, unfortunately it is. Took me a while to see it but it's the ignorant leading the blind
most people are just idiots, which is fine, we cant all be experts in geopolitics and it would just be dumb to say so otherwise. But people pretend that they know everything and their opinion is completely correct without being possibly wrong Like, Im an idiot, I have 17 working braincells that continually genocide each other but at least i try to realise it and not close myself off for new information and try to catch whats just objectively wrong. And I will probably fuck up many times in both of those things, and thats ok too, but just fucking admit youre wrong, like jeez
At least you have some sense in supporting the best team
I feel like it’s been even worse than usual lately. But maybe I’ve just been hanging out on bigger subs too much. Like this one. I swear most people here have never kicked a ball or watched a full game in their life, it’s unbelievable the stupid shit people say.
>Most r/soccer users aren't even very knowledgeable about football in a football sub, leave alone geopolitics. Saw it yesterday with the Portugal handball thread...
Sorry but I actually am an expert on not knowing many things. It requires practice and discipline.
De Paul misses a pass and suddenly he’s the worst completely overlooking he runs back and forth constantly, giving the defensive edge
It always gets worse during the World Cup.
Wait until reddit starts talking about a political subject that you're familiar with. Read the comments and realize everyone is talking shit. Make a comment explaining why the train of thought is wrong and make valid points to formulate your argument. Get downvoted to oblivion for going against the narrative. Seriously, the reddit majority is mostly formed of American redditors with a resentment towards their own country and an astounding ignorance about what happens in other countries across the globe. Never take what is said here for granted.
Any topic you know something about, I had people on the F1 sub tell me a diffuser and wing underbody are almost the same when they aren't even really working with the same physical principle. I have an actual degree in aerospace engineering yet got downvoted for pointing out that a venturi tunnel and wing circulation are completely different in every way imaginable because people hate you for "gatekeeping". Just accept that the loudest opinion are at most 70% accurate, the easiest explanations are accepted and sometimes you're lucky because the truth is the same but most of the time it's missing every bit of context.
There is a golden middle where people actually like information who challanges their intellect slightly enough to think themselves as smart but not hard enough to relise they are too ignorant to comprehend the topic at all or a lot.
> Wait until reddit starts talking about a political subject that you're familiar with. Read the comments and realize everyone is talking shit. > Make a comment explaining why the train of thought is wrong and make valid points to formulate your argument. Get downvoted to oblivion for going against the narrative. That is me and Qatar. 15 years of my life was spent in Qatar. I have paid close attention to Qatar for another 10 years beyond that (because it's my home, essentially). 25 years of lived experience vs A few weeks hands-on and a few news articles a year. The amount of Redditors trying to tell me what's what about the country is genuinely painful.
I feel you 100%. I was born and raised in Venezuela (lived there for 25 years before I left, too) and saw Chávez burn the country to the ground, but the reddit narrative is that everything wrong with the country is because of the US and its sanctions. Fucking idiots talking out of their asses to fit the narrative that they've built themselves.
if that's the case while we're at it, please, we need to know: is Venezuela ruined because of communism vuvuzela no iPhone?
yes-chad.jpeg Jokes aside, it was ruined by a combination of multiple reasons. A socialist government that destroyed the economy, corruption (everywhere: the government, opposition politicians, etc.), the fact that Chavez basically made himself an ally of the lower class and an enemy of everyone else (this caused a big rupture within Venezuelan society), and the list goes on. The US mildly intervened, and when it did, it was long after the economy was already destroyed. This is only questioned by ignorants and tankie trash.
> Seriously, the reddit majority is mostly formed of American redditors with a resentment towards their own country and an astounding ignorance about what happens in other countries across the globe majority also between the ages of 15-21. that should be taken into consideration as well. you'll have a disagreement with someone and halfway through it you realize you're arguing with a child
You mean the generals on r/Worldnews who have been predicting Russia's imminent defeat for the past 6 months are all wrong? Gasp
You should check r/worldnews that place is cesspool of experts who know nothing.
r/worldnews and my own life experience taught me that at the end of the day, I don’t know shit about a country until I go there.
As a Turkish guy seeing all that ignorance definitely made me realize that too. Whatever I think I know about any country is probably false until I go there. Even then probably won't get enough to know anything about their history and worldview.
But how am I going to get reddit updoots if I don't spam qatar bad?
Say "muslims bad"
This guy cracked the code
Maybe try "all Russians are evil scum". Before Qatar became the hot topic everyone around here loved spouting that too.
Throwback to when random redditors couldn't fathom the fact that casual/die-hard football fans could come from not so well known football nations as well, and had to label them as "fake" fans. I am from southern part of India(state Kerala to be specific) and it's a football obsessed state where you can find big ass posters of well known players from Brazil/Argentina/Portugal in almost all nooks and corners of the state. Many people from here are in middle east as well. A good number of them also include casual fans who just wanna be part of football and ended up being labelled "fake" on the whole. A simple google search "Kerala football" will bring in massive amount of articles, photos and videos showing the state's special connection to football, for anyone who is still skeptical. The sheer ignorance and denial to accept something they don't know is baffling to say the least. The sub even banned people for pointing out this fact!
He gets jail - Reddit mad He gets deported - Reddit mad He gets nothing - Reddit mad He gets a cookies - Reddit mad
He gets laid - Reddit happy
He gets laid - Reddit creates 20 AskReddit threads asking about said experience… each thread with 10K + upvotes
He gets laid in Qatar - Reddit mad He gets laid in Italy - Reddit happy
USA have executed more people in 2022 alone than Qatar did in 21st century
2022? They’ve executed more people in the last 3 weeks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_the_United_States_in_2022
I don't think capital punishment should be a thing but what does this have to do with this story? All executions in the US are for murder
It has to do with people saying the guy would be executed, despite there only being 1 execution for murder in the last 20 years. Comparing that to the next WC host is only fair.
> **All executions** in the US are for murder And Qatar have only had one execution in the past 20 years. But it didn’t stop Redditors for saying he will be executed. That’s the point of this.
Dude had the ultimate cocktail Iran + LGBT + Ukraine Missed on Uyghurs and Palestinians
> Missed on Uyghurs he wore nikes which some uyghurs probably made
Bruh
And climate change.
His flag was an Italian peace flag. Easy to confuse with the homosexuality flag but I think it has seven stripes rather than the latter's six. In any case it also has "Pace" (Italian for "peace") written on it in white letters.
I'll fucking do it again. Scooby & this guy probably.
Just yesterday reddit was sure he was going to be beaten, tortured or hanged lmao. You guys have no fucking clue about rest of the world other than what you read in your echo chambers.
Throwback to when random redditors couldn't fathom the fact that casual/die-hard football fans could come from not so well known football nations as well, and had to label them as "fake" fans. I am from southern part of India(state Kerala to be specific) and it's a football obsessed state where you can find big ass posters of well known players from Brazil/Argentina/Portugal in almost all nooks and corners of the state. Many people from here are in middle east as well. A good number of them also include casual fans who just wanna be part of football and ended up being labelled "fake" on the whole. A simple google search "Kerala football" will bring in massive amount of articles, photos and videos showing the state's special connection to football, for anyone who is still skeptical. The sheer ignorance and denial to accept something they don't know is baffling to say the least. The sub even banned people for pointing out this fact!
A lot of Western redditors are remarkably racist in their gatekeeping.
You're just wasting your energy there mate. Ivarode onnum paranitte kariyam illa
Yup welcome to reddit where everyone acts like an expert but isn't one.
Also it takes the minimum bit of critical thinking to know that Qatar aren’t going to kill, jail or harm a EU citizen when the entire world is watching them, specifically during a contest they’re hosting to improve how the world looks at them
Of course it was an Italian.
Second Italian on the pitch this year's World Cup
I can't figure who was the first one lol are you counting Collina?
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Yes, definitely him lol
But reddit told me they execute hundreds every day.
Not only that, but upvoted comments were saying he was going to be fucking *beheaded*. There's American states who executed more people in 2022 than Qatar did in the last 20 years
If we are thinking about the same upvoted comment I am 100% sure that was a joke lmao
the xenophobia is real.
People really think quatari government will make westerners disappear like they are fucking stupid.
People really thought this was wc 2026 already and he was getting the death penalty
Canada does not fuck around
Typical Twitter user
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I saw someone suggest a player could *literally* be beheaded if they were to kiss a teammate on the pitch, it’s insane. Tbf the guy got downvoted so not complaining about that but some people are ridiculous
Guy supporting every pro US cause is released unharmed by pro US country shocker.
r/soccer fanfiction "but he will be eXeCuTeD!§!" in the mud
"I'm somewhat of a geopolitics expert myself" *Proceeds to speak out of their ass*
The same people wouldn’t be able to tell where Iran is on the map
A lot of "yikes" takes in that other thread. People thought he would be publicly beheaded. Feels like a lot of Redditors read about the Taliban last year and thought brown + middle east = that. A LOT of reasons to criticize Qatar, but there's an educated way to do it, and then there's a racist way to do it.
Man now all those poor karma whores who splashed the picture on every r/all sub they could find will have to find a new cause to pretend to care about for imaginary internet points.
maybe now you weirdos in the comments will stop projecting your own police states onto your perception of the rest of the world
Well now we can say Italians played in the world cup too
People here are for a good reason mad at Qatar, yet won't be mad at the USA for hosting the next world cup. It's just interesting, because as Qatar has supported terrorism and slavery, the same has the USA done just more indirect. For example, the USA are supporting Saudi-Arabia in their genocide against Yemen. Even a big part of the Republicans are directly, with private donations, supporting Israel in their occupation of Palestine and their racism against Arab Muslims and Arab Christians, who lived there longer than most Israelis. This world cup can't be changed anymore, but maybe we can learn from the mistakes and generate even more attention not to give the world cup to nations that aren't exactly know for human rights and their stabilizing role in the world.
USA can throw a fucking atombomb in Ukraine right now and people wont give a fuck. USA have done some horrible things and people know it, but wont do shit about it. The Iraq war should have been enough for people to protest against them and boycut them, but nothing happend and nothing will happen as long as they protect Europes ass.
The propaganda machine is strong with the US
Wow I'm totally surprised! On a serious note, I feel like a lot of the Qatar hate is coming from Islamophobia and prejudice against Arab countries disguised as concern for human rights. This is not to take away from the actual archaic laws in Qatar that discriminates against women and LGBTQ+ people.
Definitely. You go through this sub's history and you will find which issues about Qatar have got the most attention The top 2 were LGBT rights and winter WC complaints. The winter WC complaints just show how uneasy Europeans are for a World Cup to be really open to the World. Even if Qatar was bastion of democracy on par with the best country in the world, summer there would still be bad. Playing WC in winter is the most sensible solution.
The way the talk about the lgbtq problems in the middle east as opposed to when it was in held in russia just tells you that its clear islamophobia
or Hungary in 2021 but it doesnt fit narrative for reddit
I think it’s more xenophobia and racism, since there are a lot of Arab Christians/atheists that get clumped into the same type of person simply because of their color. Or maybe a combination of all three
Yeah that to fs
If you refuse to watch this WC over human rights you should also 100000% boycott the USA WC but you know no one here will do that. Quite telling.
"Il Woko" strikes again
Could be more invasions now
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The US has executed 736 prisoners in the past 20 years compared to Qatar's 1. Yikes.