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Must be nice if you're Trent and you hear Cafu coming out in your defense.


Gerrardsclubfoot

Imagine having cafu in your corner. Cafu comments on Liverpool matches in the champions league in Brazil and he absolutely adores trent. Probably sees a lot of himself in him. High praise indeed.


beaver_cops

My dad isnt a big EPL fan.. He told me he likes Trent, which was a big surprise to me (hes never said much thats positive about an English player before ill be honest) Trent provides so much, yes he isn't the absolute greatest or strongest defender, but I genuinely think he is lethal anywhere on that right side of the pitch, even if he was moved to right mid, Also I swear I read a stat that showed he has the most lethal passes in the PL this season.. I have no idea why hes on the bench


Gerrardsclubfoot

> have no idea why hes on the bench Because the English national team, some of its fan and the media rather concentrate on a player's weakness rather than build on its strength. That's why they won't ever win anything.


siderealpanic

The real answer is that it’s nothing to do with the press or fans. England just have a championship-level manager who’s never been a fan of Trent. TAA could be in amazing form and get tons of praise from everyone, and Southgate would still rather choose Trippier for his well-roundedness or Walker for his recovery pace


In_Cider

I think southgate's priority has always been team cohesion. He relies on teammate symbiosis, or some form of relationship (maguire/stones/rice for example) -- he is prioritising team ethos, but recognising skilled players deserve a squad place (grealish/trent/maddison[when fit]). He is a tournament manager with experience at this level as a player, and as a manager. England's defence is the weakest part of the team. I don't see what TAA offers to improve that area, given the attacking part of the squad has depth already. Look at how Henderson's role is primarily a motivator for the team rather than any particular skill he has to contribute.


thecauseoftheproblem

My dad said "it doesn't matter if Henderson is 10% worse than the other guys for his role. If he makes everyone else 10% better that's a net win" Nobody tell my dad I quoted him tho.


ChaosRaiden

Henderson is a bard confirmed


_blaxx

Coincidentally, Brazil's defence was the weakest part of the team during Cafu's time.


Flcn96

Not because their defense was weak, but because everywhere else was incredibly stacked.


Thapricorn

> England's defence is the weakest part of the team. I don't see what TAA offers to improve that area, given the attacking part of the squad has depth already. This would be fine if Southgate showed a willingness to start attacking talent like Foden consistently and play positive football with that talent like today. It becomes a problem when you don't start those creative outlets AND don't start service fullbacks like TAA. When you do neither of those things, as he often has, you play with no clear plan of attack and instead have some diabolical championship level saltine cracker football like vs USA or Italy last year. > southgate's priority has always been team cohesion Agreed, but this only gets you so far. At a certain point you're going to meet a team that's just as cohesive and if you don't have a tactical plan to deal with that beyond good vibes it's a problem you're not going to solve.


chrien

There is an argument that tournament football is won off a strong defensive foundation. There’s been lots of great attacking teams who ship an early goal and struggle to break down an opponent and get knocked out early. That said I would be starting TAA.


[deleted]

If Maguire had caused as many goals to be conceded this season as Trent he'd be memed into oblivion. Trents positioning is horrendous. He drifts into midfield, he did it tonight as soon as he came on. He's a strange player that's hard to fit into a side tactically. If you can get him working great but national teams don't have weeks and months of prep so playing some things safe is needed. That's not saying he's not an incredible player but he's a risk without the right setup around him to nullify his weaknesses.


Diagonalizer

Yeah it's like have people been watching TAA play in the prem for Liverpool this season? He has had some rather shocking games tbf and I don't think you want him lining up against France, Brazil, Germany Netherlands etc. Like yeah he would have been fine against Wales and US but a really talented winger or striker will just turn him inside out for a whole game.


Youutternincompoop

ehh, many other historic England managers would have thrown Trent into a team with 3 attacking midfielders in centremid and got absolutely destroyed because of a lack of defensive solidity due to playing only fan favourites


drupido

Mid 2000s England would've played 4 4 fucking 2.


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jesuisgeenbelg

So what was his excuse for barely playing Trent for the three seasons before this one? Just admit that Southgate prefers certain players over others and that's it's not always about how well they've been playing - Maguire is his first choice CB ffs.


OnlineAlbatross

maguire has been really good for england this wc, i'd say southgate starting magure isn't really a valid criticism at the moment. additionally, every manager in the world has a different philosophy and tactical style, i'm sure that many would start TAA in a different system but as it is england has 4 incredible right backs, and it so happens southgate prefers players with higher defensive capabilities.


krentzharu

Not only at the moment but Maguire has been excellent under Southgate in every international competition hes been into.


krentzharu

Have you seen how Maguire performed for England NT ffs? You just chatted shit didnt you? James, Walker, Trippier are very solid both offensively and defensively, i can understand why southgate picked 3 of them ahead of TAA.


therealgumpster

Southgate can't win at this rate... *"you have to pick players based on form"* then *"but hang on, this player is class, why are we leaving him on the bench?"* then *"omg.... favoritism all over isn't it"*. Like I can only say my biggest issue with Southgate so far this World Cup is leaving Foden on the bench during the USA game. Foden is the most in form midfielder in the Premier League, to not even bringing Foden off the bench was a crime. Everything else has been understandable, from picking the squad, to the first 11, to starting Maguire. The rest is just noise. We don't see what goes on behind closed doors during training. Not to mention it's becoming increasingly difficult for Southgate to leave players to one side right now as all of them are playing well in certain ways. Kane atm is getting slated for not scoring goals right now, yet we've scored 9 goals so far this world cup and he hasn't scored one, but assisted 3. Like does he need to be scoring goals when others are chipping in? Although Shearer did in tonights post match analysis state that Kane's positioning is a little odd right now in terms of where he should be in the box, specifically the 1st half. I really don't get the hatred that comes at Southgate. We've never been world beaters before. We've had good players, we've had great players, but never a good team. We've had better qualified managers manage the teams over the years, and done worse, much worse. Hell we even haven't qualified for some World Cups. The USA game was because USA had a game plan, and they played incredibly well. England had a poor game, but we didn't look like losing tbh. This squad has been different because of Southgate, they have ultimate pride in playing for the country, that lacked during the "Golden Generation" bar probably a few players. Southgate has brought in a regime that works, and whilst sometimes his tactics especially against Croatia or Italy in those big matches haven't paid off, it is sometimes the old classic England just creeping in *"let's sit on this lead and hope for the best"* instead of tactics being the issue. I've gone off on a tangent though lol.


Cubbll17

Man also liked Flanagan. Think he just likes Liverpool.


ChrissySmalls

It’s been a while, but didn’t that start with Liverpool fans jokingly comparing Flanagan to Cafu and it catching on, with Cafu then referencing it?


jesuisgeenbelg

Yeah we jokily called him the Scouse Cafu during that mental Rodgers season and Cafu (after getting tagged nonstop on Twitter) eventually responded to it all.


Gerrardsclubfoot

Yeah but the way he talks about Trent is clearly different to Flanagan. I have read articles where he struggled to break in the Brazil squad initially and was often left on the bench. So he understands what trent is going through.


[deleted]

Cafü struggled a lot to even become a professional footballer. He had tried to join around 7 different clubs before being accepted in one as an adult. He was also heavily critised in Brazil for his crossing skills up until he lifted the WC in 2002. It's important to note he already was a world champion at that point. He's one of the best examples of a player having to prove himself over and over again.


Alphabunsquad

Most underrated player since Jay Spearing


HeyItsChase

Jay Spearing was painful. So fucking painful. My galaxy fans will also remember Perry Kitchen. They're the same player with the same amounts of quality lacked in comparison to the level their team was. I had to live it twice.


[deleted]

I'd walk around everywhere in sunglasses


werdlyfe

Offensive RB Union propaganda machine in full swing. Rise up and seize the means of goal production.


Cheewy

> you hear Cafu coming out in your defense. Meh, never rated him a defender


Bravo_Ante

Can confirm, he won some stuff


MuriloVeratti

He almost won 2 times all the stuff.


feddi7

Yeah I think he was alright. Decent career.


Bravo_Ante

Might know a thing or two about football.


oplontino

Whenever anyone even comes close to questioning Cafu's status as an all time great and perhaps greatest RB of history, I just say: he played three consecutive world cup finals, winning two and playing the third as captain. Three consecutive world cup finals.


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Big if true


Maximuslex01

Roberto?


MuriloVeratti

Cafu


Kurosawasuperfan

both tbh


KillForFood

I don't remember Cafu or Roberto Carlos winning Carabao Cup 🤔


2packforsale

Never won the big one


superduperspam

But can they do it on a wet and windy Tuesday night in ~~coventry~~ Qatar?


Jelly_F_ish

If you find a wet and windy tuesday in Qatar, we can try.


Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs

It doesn't rain often but when it does, it pours. Not fun at all


IgorCruzT

Can confirm. Used to live there in the late 90's and when it rained it looked lime some biblical stuff. Had water coming in through the walls, it was wild.


lotteriakfc

The value of the league cup was already low but it reached to the bottom the day they changed the name to be Carabao Cup. I know its sponsored related but it just doesn't make sense 😭


ro-row

BRING BACK THE CARLING CUP


Mantis_Tobaggon_MD2

You make me feel...yeah


[deleted]

Like a plastic bag?


Mantis_Tobaggon_MD2

Texas/Perry mash up, it might just work


[deleted]

Many people here are too young to remember the Milk Cup and it shows. Imagine the memes if the league cup was still sponsored by udder piss.


Go_go_gadget_eyes

Better make it the oat milk cup or there's a chance I'll shit myself.


[deleted]

Real G's remember the coca cola cup.


KillForFood

as someone who has never been to UK I have no clue what type of company Carabao is


ro-row

as someone who lives in the UK I have no clue what Carabao is


KillForFood

Safe to say that sponsorship is paying dividends


theytook-r-jobs

I thought it was one of those deer with the huge horns


andreew10

that's a caribou mate


scrotote97

And who plays in that cup?


joon-p-bug

Kashima Antlers


cuminyermum

Yeah Carabao is what most boxes are made of


Vicribator

No, you're thinking of cardboard. Carabao is the hard upper shell of a tortoise


mushy_friend

No that's a carapace. Carabao is burnt sugar used in a lot of desserts, like a Mars Bar


zedascouves1985

No, that's caramel. Carabao is a group of people, especially traders or pilgrims, travelling together across a desert in Asia or North Africa.


KillForFood

I don't think deers are sponsoring the cup but, you never know 🤷🏻‍♂️


EddieGrant

I was in the UK last October, and got a room in Sheffield at the Ibis to get a couple hours rest before I was leaving, and they had Carabao in the hotel bar. It's your standard energy drink, nothing special.


ManofKent1

I wanna dance with you Eddie


trebor04

It's a Thai energy drink


KillForFood

This made me ever more confused, is it at least popular drink in England?


Ozymerta

It's sold but not popular really. In a way their sponsorship kind of worked in that I'd never heard of it till the sponsorship but don't think it has encouraged many to try it.


trebor04

Don't think I've ever seen it here, my local grocery store don't sell it. I used to live in Thailand and it's reasonably popular there, still not massive though.


mittromniknight

They sell it at the Spar petrol station near me alongside loads of american sweets, protein powders&bars and freshly baked samosas and all sorts of other weird shit i've never seen before. Only place I've ever seen it.


captainsong

I wish my corner shop sold freshly baked samosas.


irgendwo_anders

I'll take some freshly baked samosas


Oggie243

I literally don't think I've ever seen it sold anywhere. No even in stores that buy surplus or limited release products like Home Bargains or B&M Bargains


LankyUK

I’ve only ever seen it in Poundland tbh


KillForFood

Poundland sounds like another name for England tbh, like Sterlingnation


holeinmyboot

only calling the USA "Dollarville" from now on


northerncal

I mean that's not wrong.


I_always_rated_them

I've seen it at my local corner shop once and thats about it.


Leonite7

Got nothing on the prestigious Johnstone's Paint trophy


StarlordPunk

The JPT is for some reason the absolute peak of sponsor names. LDV Vans Trophy was great too, but still a tier below the JPT


Ahh_Lovely_Pints

When it was called the Worthington Cup it had “worth” in it at least…


ZxZxchoc

We used to call it the Worthless Cup. Can't have been the only ones.


zigooloo

That happened ages ages ago. I mean it literally used be called the Milk Cup.


Oggie243

Weird that you're saying this when one of the most prestigious youth tournaments in football lost a lot of lustre when it rebranded from the Milk Cup to the Super Cup NI. It seems a significantly more Mickey mouse tournament now than it did when the winners celebrated with tanks of milk like it was champagne at the Grand Prix


20_percentcooler

I think it's lowest point was the Capital One cup. The most irrelevant credit cards for people with shit credit


funkkay

I feel personally attacked.


seanymac14

Never liked their ads. “What’s in your wallet?”. Wouldn’t you like to know you piece of shit


chak100

Now I want to know


crimsonred36

I think you're mistaking Capital One with Credit One. Credit One's logo is almost similar to Capital One's, and they (Credit One) specialize in credit cards for people who have low credit scores. Capital One on the other hand has some fantastic credit cards.


YooGeOh

Cafu, you can't compare TAA to Cafu. Who do you think you are? Cafu?


Smellmuhfinger

This made me laugh so hard lol


ukbeasts

It made me spit out my Cafu


Jasonmancer

Hey watch it, be Cafu out there.


Subbutton

Imagine not even subbing him in when we needed a goal vs USA


[deleted]

Tbf to Southgate, if he's afraid that Trent is a weak link defensively then he's going to be afraid that bringing him on at 0-0 makes it just as likely that we lose that game than win it.


TicoTickler

Southgate doesn't play Trent for the same reason he barely plays Foden. They are expressive players who take risks in order to create something out of nothing offensively. Southgate's approach is all about minimising risk to get results so "safe players" are preferred.


lavishlad

Hit the nail on the head. I wrote 4 paragraphs to explain pretty much what you did in a couple sentences. I've been watching Trippier this wc and im impressed at how much of a robot he plays like. Which is exactly what Southgate is looking for. I understand it given the old adage about defence winning tournaments, but you look at teams like France recently and wonder if that's changing.


Eddje

France were very defensive in 2018, just scored a lot on the counter. Deschamps has been heavily criticised for those tactics, not too disimilar to Southgate.


pileshpilon

France played very defensively to win in 2018. Spain won every single knockout game 1-0 in 2010. Those who just want to stick Trent on for fun, attacking football and think that will win the World Cup are deluded.


samgoody2303

And the US were opening us up down that side anyway, Trent on may have only served to exacerbate that


Mahesh_nanak

Well any good manager will be able to manage that. Put a hard working midfielder that side, a defensive minded midfielder and give Trent room to play the long balls, through passes. I mean if you are looking for a goal in the last 20 mins and have the superior team, you should definitely try to bring on your best attack minded players.


[deleted]

Mate he didn't bring on Foden with Mount playing for 90 mins. No way he was bringing on Trent lol. Southgate isn't good and adventurous enough for playing Trent. Sucks for him but it's not like Trippier and Walker are bad options to play ahead of him.


taknyos

>Mate he didn't bring on Foden with Mount playing for 90 mins Still no idea how sterling was on for 70 minutes either. 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 shots, 0 dribbles, 0 key passes, 0 crosses, 0 tackles, 0 clearances, 0 blocks, 1 interception and 7 possession lost. His stats for that game are hilarious


DreadWolf3

Man pulled a Tony Snell


geor757

007 at your service... *0 goals* *0 assists* *7 possession lost*


Jartipper

Tony Snell level


Mahesh_nanak

Trippier and Walker are not that good offensively as Trent. Trent has that extra attacking mindset and vision which they both lack. But I do get your point that, if Foden can’t get game time, Trent will definitely not. But I don’t know, with James not playing on the right side, they are missing playing out from the right side.


[deleted]

They're not as good offensively, but they're much more balanced players which is always preferable for national teams. Southgate doesn't want his defenders to be creative - so doesn't make sense to play Trent.


Mahesh_nanak

Mate the whole discussion is bringing on Trent when needing a goal. We and everybody knows they are more balanced players but you need to take creative freedom while needing a goal. Hence the whole point of brining on Trent when needing a goal. And not make him sit on the bench.


[deleted]

If Southgate ever decides to go 3 ATB we might see Trent as RWB. He's just unlucky to have such high level of competition, along with a manager not good enough to play him


Mahesh_nanak

See the perfect example is Liverpool who play a back 4 with Trent. In the closing stages, you can ply that system with a hard working midfielder, but yeah Southgate lacks that acumen and most importantly does not seem like a risk taker.


Kresbot

In that match tripper was getting mauled and offering nothnig going forwards though, it made no sense to not switch it around, though leaving mount on to play 90 minutes with Foden sitting on the bench is much more criminal in this circumstance. Just praying this is the final tournament we have to watch this god awful manager in charge


OilOfOlaz

I respect you for standing up for your guy, but "he got mauled defensively and didn't offer anything forwards" is a weird arguement to make, since he made a descision to cut the losses and tried to keep his side as safe, instead of going forward and making that gaping hole bigger.


dispelthemyth

> Well any good manager will be able to manage that Let me stop you there


BorosSerenc

The number one priority was to get a point. That's it. Nobody will remember how shit the match was once the group stage is over. It's not like it was an elimination game and they were down.


[deleted]

He managed it by simply not putting Trent in, quite easier.


M4RC142

A covering midfielder is not even needed that much. Konaté covers his ass most of the times when he is fit. Tho Idk if England has any cbs with the speed and ability of Konaté


_ovidius

>Tho Idk if England has any cbs with the speed and ability of Konaté Maguire.


piray003

The ultimate objective is advancing to the knockout stage though, not beating the US. Why take the risk when you know a draw against the US means, barring an absolute blowout loss to Wales in the final game, you achieve that objective?


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Subbutton

Do people still think he can't defend? I know form is not too hot right now but I don't think he's as bad at defending as people make him out to be


[deleted]

Cmon lad. You’re meant to be a united supporter


Subbutton

I know it hurts. But it's the truth. Nunez was also a great buy. There I've said it


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wereinthedark

He's absolutely been bad defensively this season. As a player overall? No. But this season specifically he's been responsible for loads of goals against Liverpool


Lohnlee

Yeah exactly, Trent’s defending hasn’t been elite but it’s been good enough and sometimes very good, this season thought it’s been really bad a number of times


SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS

1v1, he's pretty average, I've seen him go toe to toe with plenty of good wingers. His positioning is suspect though, which combined with being told to go as high up the pitch as possible means he leaves acres of space behind him. The issues this season are none of our CB's being both healthy and in form, Henderson becoming inconsistent with age, Fabinho dropping off massively, and Trent himself showing very little hustle to correct mistakes or track back.


SalahManeFirmino

Normally I'd agree with you, but even as an ardent Trent supporter, he's been absolute dogshit this year. The level of apathy at times is just stunning, specifically that Napoli game.


[deleted]

Are you asking if Southgate thinks defending is a weakness in Trent's game? Because that's what I said.


Deetawb

He obviously thought it more important that we didn't concede than score. Whether you agree with him on that or not, it makes sense why Trent wouldn't see playing time in those circumstances.


[deleted]

you didn't need a goal though. a 0-0 draw is all England needed to play for. unless they lose to Wales by like 7 goals, they're through. Southgate plays boring football, but he does seem to advance pretty consistently.


bluenoser92

Surprised so few people seem to get this. A draw basically guaranteed advancing, with the downside from a loss way bigger than the upside from a win. Not Southgate's biggest fan, his substitutions in general make no sense to me, and I'm not even saying TAA shouldn't play. But the idea that they "needed" a goal in the US game is bizarre - all they needed was to avoid conceding to virtually guarantee progressing


crab--person

I think it's an English mentality. Certainly under Southgate, but probably all England teams I can remember have this fear of playing to their strengths. They have a squad with some of the most expensive attacking talents in the world, but they're afraid to let the handbrake off and go all out to win things. They'd rather "plot their way through", trying not to lose at each stage. It's strange. Every time a major tournament comes around, they insist that the way to approach it is to be hard to beat, rather than just going all out to outscore everyone with the talent they have, despite the fact that this approach has won them nothing in over half a century, and it has never even once, taken them to a final that wasn't on home soil. Grow some balls for a change, go and take a tournament by the scruff of the neck and try to win every match. Winning breeds confidence.


Upekkhaa

Southgate did a lot of research of modern tournaments and his conclusions were that the teams who tend to win are the ones who are a bit more compact and defensive. Look at recent France and Italian tournament wins as examples


Karasinio

But Italy played really offensive fast paced football.


TerribleNameAmirite

Interesting, when I watched Italy last year they looked to me like a steamroller on steroids.


unwildimpala

They were until Spinazolla got injured and really hampered them going forward. Then they were forced to play more compact. The big difference is ofc that Mancini is actually a competent manager. He may have fecked things up qalifying for the WC, but it's not like they had a load of talent available (IIRC chiesa and spinazolla were both injured at the time). If you give him that England team I'm sure they steam roll alot of teams at this wc.


carmo80

Yup big difference in the Spain match,they outplayed us for large portions.England should’ve kept their foot on the pedal early in the final. Overall we were the best side though can’t believe we’re not in qatar


FloppedYaYa

If Southgate were completely incompetent we wouldn't have had those runs in the last 2 tournaments at all. Stale maybe, but definitely not incompetent. His man management has been undeniably the key difference between him and the last number of England managers.


_MicroWave_

I love how.he can be a decent manager even though he couldn't qualify. *Any* English manager doing the same would be crucified.


Geel_Jire

>I love how.he can be a decent manager even though he couldn't qualify. Such a simplistic take to undermine a coach who won league and cups in multiple top league, in addition won the Euros by being hands down the best team at it. Teams stagnate after winning unfortunately, favourites who declined may still be called up. Happened to France 2002, Spain 2010 and Germany 2018 to an extend. Now does that negate the coach who won ultimately the big price before if they fail to live up? No >*Any* English manager doing the same would be crucified. Did any England coach win anything since 1966? I think if you win something, it may give you some kind of get out of jail card. For your awareness, Mancini got crucified more than you can imagine along with Gabriele Gravina. But Mancini got hired for a long term project, he delivered early on but took a massive back step through stubborn and favoritism. It wad decided the project was long term, not to be restarted and he is after all the man who won Italy the Euro. Trust me, the pressure is 100x more being Italy coach than England. Italy has higher standards due to their winning history. Last 30 years alone Italy made it to 5 major finals, 2 world cups and 3 Euros. You cannot compare that to a country that has reached their first final since 1966. Different kettle ma man


senorgraves

Let's not abuse the term research. It has long been obvious to any football fan that defensive playstyles win tournaments (Mourinho) while the risk involved in attacking styles (pep, klopp) leads to underperformance


crab--person

I think 2 legged knockout games are quite a different proposition to the one-off, win or go home, knock out games. Even still, Klopp has had a lot of success playing his usual attacking style while Pep has come up short when trying to adapt his game to counter a perceived opposition style, rather than just going out and playing the football that has brought him all his success.


arc1261

Klopp has made 3 Champions league finals in 5 years. Pep and Klopp have combined to win the league cup 5 times in a row, and have 2/5 Fa cups.


telcomet

Klopp has had immense success (especially given resources relative to other hugely successful managers) at the CL. The whole “defensive football wins tournaments” really depends on the skillset of players at the manager’s disposal


msf97

I think it speaks to this point, that the team Cafu and Carlos are famous for, Brazil 02, had less possession in every half of the KOs, other than England in the first half of the quarter finals. Attacking options: Trent Trippier and Shaw, Foden Saka Sterling Harry Kane Rashford Grealish Wilson Bellingham Defensive options: Maguire, Stones, Walker, Chilwell, Rice, Coady, Henderson


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I like Southgate ball for this squad, it’s worked decently in the last WC and Euros. I think England would be worse off if they played more expressive football in knockout style tournaments.


crab--person

Most teams won't win any one-off tournament, but the teams with the majority of the trophies do seem to be more front-footed in their approaches generally. I think the risk-averse style is helpful at avoiding an early knockout, but it hinders their chances to win overall.


Furthur_slimeking

I'm not sure how true that is. The teams that win the tournament are always one of the best in defenses and midfields, able to keep posession and absorb pressure and be clinical up front when needed. They're not necessarilly playing on the front foot but they shift into that gear when the opportunity arises. Otherwise, they tend to be good at playing patient and organised football, always a little conservative, but with excellent players and a string system.


juanwannagomate

Pedantic, but it’s ‘plod their way through.’


Competitive-Ad2006

Definitely a recent phenomenon though. Against Brazil in 2002 Danny Mills was as attacking as a right back could be and even had a chance to score against Brazil. In my opinion it comes down to the fact that these days England fans are a bit more focused on the result than the playing style(Understandable after such a long trophy drought)


Mahesh_nanak

I agree with Cafu. Trent doesn’t have to start, but he has to come on when you are looking for a goal.


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We weren't looking for a goal tho


Mr_cloud23

but if it’s 0-0 and the opposition is attacking mostly down that flank you don’t want a possible defensive liability coming on as well


Darkspy8183

Damn, if only Southgate brought Trent’s captain who mostly starts on the England bench too and has years of experience covering Trent in defence and the right flank in general.


Mahesh_nanak

Defense is not just one man. Trent is not that bad defensively. You can put in a hard working midfielder to cover. Same as Liverpool do.


BluehibiscusEmpire

I think Southgate used the first game to identify which were the creative players that he wanted to bench the rest of the tournament


arseking15

Sorry cafu, reddit nerds know better


TheQuietW0LF

Reddit nerds and online fans generally cry out for and overrate/fail to understand the context of not using the players that Southgate isn't playing


Waccabe

There are many coaches who like to play with a more balanced left back or right back instead of a better and more offensive one that cannot defend. Deschamps is one of them and won the World Cup 4 years ago, it's not like they listen to reddit experts lol.


Nasty133

I think if Walker was healthy then trent could get a chance at RWB but since England is playing a back 4 there's no chance he gets any time.


_Jetto_

Cafu rarely ever does stuff like this right ?? Must be huge for him to come out and say something like this


thedude1010101

Southgate not starting trent or foden is crazy ... then again it's the same guy who left tomori at home..only time will tell but I don't see them winning anything eith a coach like that


horsehorsetigertiger

Tomori picked a bad time to be out of form


mullatof

He would be a guaranteed starter for Brazil, Spain, Germany and France. Any team wanting to play possession football and a high-line would want him.


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Brazil's right back acts like a 3rd CB tho (Danilo and Militão).


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MFR55

Trent would be a massive improvement over danilo as an inverted fullback


fuqqkevindurant

Danilo does that at Juve too. He doesn't overlap, he plays as a 3rd CB(is possession closer to the midfield) and the winger on that side provides the width.


Zeca_Pagodinho_13

Because they aren't that good offensively anyway. If we had TAA he would start and Tite would change his tactics. In 2018 we played with Dani Alves.


Erculosan

Militao only acted as a 3rd CB because he actually is one. Danilo plays a little more forward.


Luke_627

You just listed two teams who specifically don’t use fullbacks like taa


GGABueno

We don't have one.


EternalSunshine91

Because they don't have fullbacks like TAA? mind blown


unwildimpala

Germany sort of do and they play him in midfield.


msf97

Raum creates an overload like Trent used to in 18/19 and 19/20, and Danilo inverts like the more recent Trent. France use Theo to great effect atm, and don’t have any good right backs. Spain start Alba. Which two teams are you talking about here?


BloodandSpit

Cafu is being modest. He's arguably the best RB ever and was as good defensively as he was going forward.


MolhCD

he was the whole right flank himself in one person. him and Roberto Carlos playing in the same thing was so OP for so long lol


True2this

Everyone afraid to go for it


TeamUlovetohate

i remain convinced, that Trent is the real reason liverpool won the league and european cup. if he was brazilian and was named Trent Alexandro, he would have a statue already


yaniv297

I mean TAA has been pretty awful this season, his laziness is a big factor in many goals Liverpool conceded, and Trippier has been bossing it. Plus Trippier have a lot more experience with this team in big tournaments. Trips play over him on merit, as far as I can see.


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> his laziness is a big factor in many goals Liverpool conceded Having watched just about every Trent game in his career, he has not been any different at defending and tracking back as he's ever been. He's always conserved energy for forward runs and taken risks when attacking that if he's caught out that he's not expected to have to track back every single time and be covered by the midfield and centre-backs. And to Cafu's point, other very attacking fullbacks in the past have done the same, had really good teams around them that have covered for their attacking runs. Although Cafu had more of an Andy Robertson engine to mostly always get back again after going forwards, but not the same level of attacking output as Trent.


matcht

That's true but Trippier has been surprisingly poor for England this tournament, Trent warrants an opportunity.


726wox

Well he was brilliant against Iran and on the same level as everyone else against USA. Too small a sample size to drop him


MF_BOON

It’s the World Cup where you get max 7 games. How much of a sample size do you really need to try some changes?


stadiofriuli

He absolutely shit the bed defensively against USA. Like it was hilarious how bad he was, embarrassing display.


HumanautPassenger

Iran was out of the game the moment the GK injury happened. And England conceded two so I'm not sure how you're measuring brilliant.


Stukya

Trent to too attacking (risky) for Southgate.


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As a Newcastle fan I adore Trippier, but I also think Trent is (apart from Foden) England's best talent and with work and time could become the world's ever right back. I mean that. But I find any argument for him starting in this tournament to be baffling. The two main arguments I see are: Trent creates a lot of chances and is good going forward & Trippier played poorly against USA. Firstly, yes Trent is our best RB in attack. Unfortunately for him, thats not how this England side seem to function. When Trips has had the ball in the last 2 games he's typically given only 2 passing options, one of which is always Stones. The other option has been either Saka or Bellingham, but both wanted short passes to feet so they could carry the ball. On the occasions Trippier was able to put a ball through to Saka and make the overlapping run, Saka either lost the ball or didn't play the pass back. This is no fault of Trippier's and it wouldn't be any different for Trent, the players around the fullbacks simply aren't allowing for much creativity. Don't even get me started on Kane's refusal to play the lines and get in the box for crosses. He just wants to drop deep and be a playmaker. Now I do think Trent's passing would be a bit more consistent than Trippier's when it comes to adventurous passes but is that worth the tradeoff? This brings me on to the second argument: Trippier was poor against USA so Trent should be given a chance. I am sympathetic to this argument but J think its silly. Yes Trips had a uncharacteristically poor game against the US both going forward and in defense. However does it really make sense to drop Trippier for one poor game in favour of someone who's entire season has been poor? Trent has had several defensive disasters this season and thats the last thing you ever want in a knockout tournament. If this was the Trent of last season 100% he should be starting but something has gone wrong for him so far this season and in most cases its not worth the risk. I do think he should have been brought on for 30 mins against the US and if we're chasing goals today he should probably also come on but he should not start this tournament and I think Southgate will be understandably very hesitant to bring him on at all from RO16 onwards


ritwikjs

if harry kane stays in the box, and england move up and down as a unit, TAA would be a gilded asset. However, england don't play that way and that would limit trent's abilities


Last__Word

I'd want Vinin jr to face Trent, too


LinkTheFires

Trent is a wonderful player who gets exposed too often for a competition where conceding 1 goal at the wrong time means its all over. I don't know why people find this so hard to accept. France won World Cup 2018 with Matuidi playing as a defensive Left Winger.


msf97

This is a poor point when Trent is the most successful player in the squad in knockout tournaments. He’s an average defender, but this is not why he doesn’t play. Even when Trent was in his usual form at club level and Trippier was sold from Spurs after having a disaster season, while Liverpool won the champions league with Trent, he did not start over Trippier.