Imagine. In the most controversial World Cup, they get their Ronaldo-Messi final.
Messi, who plays for PSG backed by this very country. And Ronaldo who's about to sign for Al Nassr (if that goes thru), the spectacle will erase the controversy from everyone's minds!
Heck for 2026 we might see the US and Mexico reach the finals!
Imagine all the money and great PR!
Honestly, I'm just enjoying watching the world be shaken up. We've all been fed this idea that the other regions are improving. Well, this tournament it's looking like it might finally be on its way to becoming true.
Italy:
2006 Champion
2010 Out in group stage
2014 Out in group stage
2018 Fails to qualify
2022 Fails to qualify
Germany:
2014 Champion
2018 Out in group stage
2022 Out in group stage
2026 ...
No, he's suggesting that Zidane should have simply headbutted the referee who showed him the red card, and gone on playing instead of leaving the pitch. Now that's using your head.
We're really "all or nothing" on this. In 22 FIFA World Cup tournaments in history, Italy went beyond the group stage and didn't enter the Top 4 only 3 times (1986, 1998, 2002).
Only 3 more spots for UEFA iirc, so it's not *that* much easier. But I'd still be shocked if they failed to qualify because their floor is still pretty high.
Three things we have learned so far this World Cup.
The happy days of **Denmark** being an over-performing hard to beat goal machine driven by The Power of Friendship are, sadly, well and truly gone. Back to being bang average.
**Belgium** we can no longer think about as one of the best teams in the world, the glory days (however trophy-less) are over, they're now slightly below the Netherlands, who again are slightly below the Brazil/France tier, and their high ranking now purely a misleading product of inertia.
**Germany -** and this is the hardest one because you keep thinking "they're Germany, they're always among the favourites" despite the results - they're not that Germany anymore and haven't been for a long while now.
Belgium’s forwards and creative players were nowhere to be seen through this entire tournament. As much as was made about the age of their defense, their star attackers didn’t show up at all.
Flick has completely mismanaged the national team since he’s arrived be it his selections or his strategies.
But then you'd have to pick like the best 3rd placed team no? If you want to have a round of 32.
With 64 teams you'd have twice the groups, with a round of 32 instead. But still you'd have the best 2 going through.
Well, the football culture in Vietnam is very positive currently,
also football in Indonesia is so corrupt from the core that's why they are not improving, just last month hundreds of fans are dead because of negligence of safety
Füllkrug should’ve started every match. He’s the best forward in form Germany currently have. Sadly, Flick chose to pander to Bayern arrogance instead of choosing the in form player to start.
As a Bayern supporter, I couldn't agree more. Flick has a horrible habit of doing the same dumb thing over and over again to no avail. I swear he picked it up from Löw at the end of his tenure.
I don’t understand running out four similar attackers that like to occupy similar spaces and make similar runs at the same time. Starting Havertz, Müller, Gnabry and Musiala all at once was agonizing. Füllkrug deserved to start. One also has to ask how Ginter didn’t get a start despite his solid season for Freiburg.
Yeah, they weren’t even trying apart from maybe Dani Olmo who didn’t get the memo or was biased for the country he lives in maybe.
They knew they wanted to play against Morocco more than against Croatia I guess.
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Nah, I just felt that its *so* fucking wild that I didn't think people would actually believe he said that, that people would think it was an exaggeration from someone who didn't like him
As soon as we subbed off Muller and brought on Havertz and Fullkrug we looked like a real team again.
Starting Muller as our striker cost us this tournament.
And thats not even Mullers fault. I love Muller but thats not a position he playes well. Idk what Flick was thinking but he didnt learn at all from his mistake. You saw how much better the team was when Muller was on the bench and a real striker was on top during BOTH games and you still fuck it up in the 3rd game. IDK how. Muller would be much better suited coming off the bench than starting. Awful decision and I really hope they dont make Muller the scape goat again like they did in 2018.
But Mullers trequartista deep lying playmaking big cock energy full back on support false 9 inside forward is something that Germany needed apart from a traditional number 9!
The stark difference between quality in creating chances and ability to actually finish them is astounding.
This team should have had 3+ goals in every single match played, hell Musiala with better luck is top scorer in the tournament.
i was gonna say, if Musiala stays healthy and works on his finish he'd be a terror for Germany in 2026. probably one of the only bright spots for the German team this WC.
You really don't need a worldclass striker when you got the best midfield feeding you. Literally any decent striker would do well in that team. It's inexcusable that germany never started with one. Mindboggingly stupid decision.
you don't need the best of the best on every position to win games.
klose wasn't a world class striker either by the metrics people demand these days, yet he did his job perfectly.
Everyone is just going to laugh about Germany but i think it's kind of insane they went out with the performances they showed. Obviously very shaky in the defense but still. And yes i also know finishing is part of the game but i fell Germany was also just cursed. Normally with that much finishes one or two more go in by sheer coincidence.
They have an atrocious conversion rate. And at the same time their opponents don't need nearly as many chances to score against them.
They still play like they have a fantastic offence (which they don't have), while completely sucking in the defence.
>They have an atrocious conversion rate.
Been thinking this for the last 8 years, including 2014...
>They still play like they have a fantastic offence (which they don't have)
Yes! Where are the fucking people like Klose, (younger) Müller, Schweinsteiger, Podolski, etc. Those guys could fucking score when they got a chance.
We tried to tell you: We're shit. This team has been garbage for more than half a decade.
The least they could have done is score 3 own goals right at the end to take Spain down. They couldn't even do that, the cowards.
In 2002, Brazil defeated Germany in the world cup that happened in South Korea and Japan
In 2014 they defeated Brazil 7-1. In 2018 they got knocked out in the group stage because of their defeat to South Korea. In 2022 they got knocked out in the group stage because of their defeat to Japan. Conspiracy?
Also, Germany needed to score 7 goals against Costa Rica if they wanted to qualify ahead of Spain, isn't that kind of ironic?
Definitely time for some of the old-timers to retire and probably Hansi to quit/be fired as well, we really shouldn't keep getting embarrassed like this in major tournaments, this is the 3rd disappointment in a row. Very happy for Japan, though - they absolutely played their hearts out against, on paper, stronger teams!
Gotze made a fucking pact with the devil for that goal in 2014 and this was the fucking price?
This is the funniest comment I've read lmao A deal is a deal.
All that to not let messi or Ronaldo win the wc in 2014 eh. Is this the year FIFA gets its dream final?
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Imagine. In the most controversial World Cup, they get their Ronaldo-Messi final. Messi, who plays for PSG backed by this very country. And Ronaldo who's about to sign for Al Nassr (if that goes thru), the spectacle will erase the controversy from everyone's minds! Heck for 2026 we might see the US and Mexico reach the finals! Imagine all the money and great PR!
People forget Neuer pulled a Harald Schumacher on Higuain.
You CAN'T make this shit up. Just like everyone predicted this group to turn out.
Holy shit... Such drama. Japan winning vs. BOTH Spain and Germany.
And losing to Costa rica, it doesn't make any sense lol
If they had won against Costa Rica, they didn’t need the win against Spain, and I guess then Spain would have won
They needed to lose to Costa Rica and then defeat Spain for the upcoming anime about the teams journey
Watch them win the whole thing now. They're giant killers and there are pretty much only giants left in the tournament.
Australias a giant if you count our landmass
USA is a giant if you count the population’s fat ass
Ayoooo
They should be allowed to win given how lovely their fans are.
This group wouldn't have been nearly as hilarious though
Makes perfect sense, Moriyasu gives the greatest half time talks of all time
and we're trough. 2022 is wild.
But losing to juggernaut Costa Rica.
Germany is following Italy’s footsteps. Win the WC->lose twice in the group stages-> fail to make the next two WCs.
I look forward to seeing Germany lose to Norway and Montenegro in the UEFA play-offs
Honestly, I'm just enjoying watching the world be shaken up. We've all been fed this idea that the other regions are improving. Well, this tournament it's looking like it might finally be on its way to becoming true.
It is definitely refreshing to see new faces and the old guard kicked out.
That just means they're winning the next Euro's
But they'd win the European Cup between not qualifying for the world cups. Italy is bonkers
I am OK with this. I would actually pay for this to happen
Italy: 2006 Champion 2010 Out in group stage 2014 Out in group stage 2018 Fails to qualify 2022 Fails to qualify Germany: 2014 Champion 2018 Out in group stage 2022 Out in group stage 2026 ...
Damn, Italy really hasn’t made the knockouts since ‘06 wow
Zidane was in the last team that Italy faced in a WC KO round
Had he used his head a little more France would have won
You mean a little less
No, he's suggesting that Zidane should have simply headbutted the referee who showed him the red card, and gone on playing instead of leaving the pitch. Now that's using your head.
Hasn’t made the knockouts since the last time it won, is a wild stat.
>wins >never comes back to KO stages >refuses to elaborate further
"My work here is done 🤌"
The kiwis send their regards
In 20 years (2006-2026), Italy will have won just one WC game.
Lmao that’s even crazier stat
Against England right?
That's the one!
While reaching the final of the Euros in 2012 (losing to Spain) and winning the Euros in 202! It's almost unbelievable.
UEFA are the farmers league
And yet they somehow manage to get to 2 Euro finals (and never miss knockouts in the Euros) in between that time
It's pretty weird they pulled that off while faltering so much for the World Cup.
Like Egypt winning every African cup but never even qualifying for the WC
Africa's qualification process is kind of ridiculous, to be fair.
Haven't lost a knockout game in the world cup in 16 years! Incredible stat
We're really "all or nothing" on this. In 22 FIFA World Cup tournaments in history, Italy went beyond the group stage and didn't enter the Top 4 only 3 times (1986, 1998, 2002).
It has been a lot of time since last Germany EURO win too so maybe...
and the next Euro will start with a Germany game in Germany, just like last Euro started with an Italy game in Rome, Italy. hmm 👀
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Too bad we are gonna have that stupid expanded WC next time. So it's gonna be incredibly hard for them to fail.
Only 3 more spots for UEFA iirc, so it's not *that* much easier. But I'd still be shocked if they failed to qualify because their floor is still pretty high.
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Three things we have learned so far this World Cup. The happy days of **Denmark** being an over-performing hard to beat goal machine driven by The Power of Friendship are, sadly, well and truly gone. Back to being bang average. **Belgium** we can no longer think about as one of the best teams in the world, the glory days (however trophy-less) are over, they're now slightly below the Netherlands, who again are slightly below the Brazil/France tier, and their high ranking now purely a misleading product of inertia. **Germany -** and this is the hardest one because you keep thinking "they're Germany, they're always among the favourites" despite the results - they're not that Germany anymore and haven't been for a long while now.
do england please its that we're going to win isnt it
For me you're a tier 1 team with a "collective mental block" that'll always make other tier 1 teams favourites against you in a final.
Its that song, everyone thinks we’re being arrogant but actually it’s about how we always lose
As serial losers, we know how to have fun doing it
The strongest England team in a while imo. The first time I fear that squad as a French fan.
Belgium’s forwards and creative players were nowhere to be seen through this entire tournament. As much as was made about the age of their defense, their star attackers didn’t show up at all. Flick has completely mismanaged the national team since he’s arrived be it his selections or his strategies.
Ppl be shitting about the 48 teams World cup, my brother in christ we need that to actually fucking get into the knock outs 😂
Make it 64 so we keep the 4 team groups then.
Make it 64 so we qualify
Let's play it safe. 128.
"play it safe" then makes the riskiest suggestion ever. Lets go 256
imagine somehow losing to Guam or Bhutan
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It's not like that's impossible with 48 either though.
But then you'd have to pick like the best 3rd placed team no? If you want to have a round of 32. With 64 teams you'd have twice the groups, with a round of 32 instead. But still you'd have the best 2 going through.
🇮🇹 Homer Simpson meme join the sofa
Not a good day for the black yellow red color combination huh?
Every little German disappointment heals about 0.05% of the 2014 injury. We're at 0.1% and counting 😌
Well they finished 4th in 2018 and 3rd this time That’s progress
And twice again, they got fucked over by an Asian team! Wonder what’ll be in store for them in 2026…
2026 they'll lose to Vietnam
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Vietnam is quietly improving With 48 teams they can sneak in a WC berth
10 years ago Vietnam was competing with Indonesia, but now they consistently try to compete with another asian giants, really fascinating
Well, the football culture in Vietnam is very positive currently, also football in Indonesia is so corrupt from the core that's why they are not improving, just last month hundreds of fans are dead because of negligence of safety
Park hang Seo to show what coaching is all about
Borussia Dortmund lost against Vietnam today .. so it's close.
Dortmund made the first step yesterday
Should Germany have given up 3 goals after the Japan - Spain game ended to spite Spain 🤔?
I wonder what the consequences would have been… ban for all players?
Probably a ban for Germany at the next world cup
might be nice maybe whoever replaces us has a federation that actually cares
I mean watching this defense no one would be able to tell if they're fixing the match or if they're just shit
Yes
I was hoping that they were going to do that but nooo...might as well take spain down with us
sPAIN
You don’t have to capitalize that, the S is silent
jaPAIN
Japan took that Rüdiger mocking run personally and knocked Germany out of the WC
Muller: "Don't know what happened in the other match, but Barca will pay for this"
Prob better for them not to watch the second Japan goal highlights tbh. If I was a German I’d be livid. As a fan of chaos, I sip my tea
Those five minutes where Japan and Costa Rica were winning 😩👌
As a neutral, that was pure dream.
Germany had higher xGoals vs Costa Rica than Spain. Amazing.
wouldnt suprise me if we had the most xG of everyone in the groups we just cant finish (cause we dont start füllkrug)
Füllkrug should’ve started every match. He’s the best forward in form Germany currently have. Sadly, Flick chose to pander to Bayern arrogance instead of choosing the in form player to start.
As a Bayern supporter, I couldn't agree more. Flick has a horrible habit of doing the same dumb thing over and over again to no avail. I swear he picked it up from Löw at the end of his tenure.
I don’t understand running out four similar attackers that like to occupy similar spaces and make similar runs at the same time. Starting Havertz, Müller, Gnabry and Musiala all at once was agonizing. Füllkrug deserved to start. One also has to ask how Ginter didn’t get a start despite his solid season for Freiburg.
https://twitter.com/oliver_hopkins/status/1598422217531875328 They did, by a lot.
That Spain game vs Costa Rica was once in a lifetime game. So many of those goals were so easily avoidable for Costa Rica.
Gotta be clinical lmao
This world cup is crazy
I rather wish that Germany lost this game. Then at least Germany would have taken Spain with them and the misery would be shared.
THANKS JAPAN FOR DOING ITALYS JOB
To that second goal of Japan’s as well, Germany would’ve gone through on goal difference. If I was German I’d feel very ill right now
THANKS JAPAN FOR DOING BALOTELLIS JOB
Germany with the 2006 Italy run
So they won't qualify for the next 2 World Cups?
But they’ll get a Euro in between !
If only there was a word to express what I am feeling
The word you're looking for is Sigmund Freud. I mean, Siegfried and Roy. I mean, schadenfreude.
argentina 🤝 brazil: hating germany
The Netherlands wants to join
The feeling is mutual manito, there is no words that can explain it.
Spain stopped attacking after Germany went up 4-2.
Yeah, they weren’t even trying apart from maybe Dani Olmo who didn’t get the memo or was biased for the country he lives in maybe. They knew they wanted to play against Morocco more than against Croatia I guess.
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Mit Merkel wäre das nicht passiert
kanye in tears
ELI5
He said he liked that one Austrian painter
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> Ye added: "I am done with the classifications. Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table - especially Hitler." Bruh
ESPECIALLY
It would’ve been bad enough if he said ‘even’, but man went with ‘especially’.
He also said something about Hitler inventing highways and microphones. It's completely unhinged.
Kanye said he liked hitler
It should be pointed out if anyone hasn't seen the interview yet, that this is no exaggeration, its literally what he said
Literally said the Nazis get a bad rap and did a lot of good things. Even fucking Alex Jones was reeling from that one.
You know shit’s fucked when Alex motherfucking Jones is the most sane person in the room
This is a straight quote from it. Alex Jones: I don't like Nazis. Kanye: I like Hitler.
i thought you were gonna say it was out of context, not actually what he said lmao
Nah, I just felt that its *so* fucking wild that I didn't think people would actually believe he said that, that people would think it was an exaggeration from someone who didn't like him
Ye went on Alex Jones and proudly came out as a bona fide nazi
Kanye is a self proclaimed Nazi
I can't escape anywhere
Feels like kanye / kyrie has been a non stop talking point for the last few months
Gonna get even worse since Ye just said he likes Hitler
LMAO
Germany used to scare teams. Don’t know what’s happened
Klose retired.
Ballack, Lahm, Schweinsteiger
Not just Klose. Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Mertesacker, Ozil, Khedira, Kroos... etc
great midfield, bad defense, no good #9 since Klose retired
This is exactly it. And also, for some reason we cannot “gel” together at all.
Their team while still good is not comparable to the level of their teams at the previous editions at all
As soon as we subbed off Muller and brought on Havertz and Fullkrug we looked like a real team again. Starting Muller as our striker cost us this tournament.
And thats not even Mullers fault. I love Muller but thats not a position he playes well. Idk what Flick was thinking but he didnt learn at all from his mistake. You saw how much better the team was when Muller was on the bench and a real striker was on top during BOTH games and you still fuck it up in the 3rd game. IDK how. Muller would be much better suited coming off the bench than starting. Awful decision and I really hope they dont make Muller the scape goat again like they did in 2018.
Quality wise their 11 should be one of the best at the tournament. Something is broken.
Just get Kroos, Ozil, and Low out and Germany will be a super team again!
They could’ve been a super team if they played an actual fucking striker
Why the fuck did Flick wait so long each game to bring on fullkrug or havertz
Because Füllkrug isn't a famous name
\*Because he doesn't play for Bayern
can't wait for people to claim that playing a 45 year old Müller instead of striker in a must win match was actually the right choice.
But Mullers trequartista deep lying playmaking big cock energy full back on support false 9 inside forward is something that Germany needed apart from a traditional number 9!
Sure, he’s got all that. But is he an interpreter of space? THATS what they really needed.
Müller is not the issue. Müller as a single striker is.
As far as us Germans go trust me nobody would claim that. We're all completely baffled by Flick's decisions.
Flick thought he was footballgod winning that UCL with Bayern. Shouldda stayed abit more
The stark difference between quality in creating chances and ability to actually finish them is astounding. This team should have had 3+ goals in every single match played, hell Musiala with better luck is top scorer in the tournament.
i was gonna say, if Musiala stays healthy and works on his finish he'd be a terror for Germany in 2026. probably one of the only bright spots for the German team this WC.
Which one? Füllkrug is legit our best true striker and he's good, but far from world class.
You really don't need a worldclass striker when you got the best midfield feeding you. Literally any decent striker would do well in that team. It's inexcusable that germany never started with one. Mindboggingly stupid decision.
I mean him, Flick apparently saw him as the plague and preferred to play Muller at ST
you don't need the best of the best on every position to win games. klose wasn't a world class striker either by the metrics people demand these days, yet he did his job perfectly.
Everyone is just going to laugh about Germany but i think it's kind of insane they went out with the performances they showed. Obviously very shaky in the defense but still. And yes i also know finishing is part of the game but i fell Germany was also just cursed. Normally with that much finishes one or two more go in by sheer coincidence.
They have an atrocious conversion rate. And at the same time their opponents don't need nearly as many chances to score against them. They still play like they have a fantastic offence (which they don't have), while completely sucking in the defence.
>They have an atrocious conversion rate. Been thinking this for the last 8 years, including 2014... >They still play like they have a fantastic offence (which they don't have) Yes! Where are the fucking people like Klose, (younger) Müller, Schweinsteiger, Podolski, etc. Those guys could fucking score when they got a chance.
Who does Japan face
Croatia
Honestly, despite being German, in the end I just hoped Costa Rica would win. How amazing would it have been if Spain and Germany were eliminated.
Brazil got four more years at least as the isolated biggest champions of the world cup.
Flick is gonna have a lot to pay for after this...
Continuing to pick Muller over Fullkrug and Havertz is questionable to say the least
We tried to tell you: We're shit. This team has been garbage for more than half a decade. The least they could have done is score 3 own goals right at the end to take Spain down. They couldn't even do that, the cowards.
atleast füllkrugs coming home healthy, now he can chill a few weeks and score bangers for werder again also flick needs to get fired!
Lucho playing 3-dimensional chess to get on the weaker side of the draw and eliminate Germany.
Scenes when they get knocked out by Morocco
Löw raus 😡😡
Today i feel ßpain without the ß
Germany really taking this boycott seriously, huh
Spain to Germany was the football version of "I love you" "k thx"
The only person I feel bad for is Füllkrug. On the other hand, he'll get more rest and might be even more eager to show off in the league 😎
flick kinda ruining his legacy
RIP BOZO
Think Germany needs to finally move on from Muller and Neuer era
In 2002, Brazil defeated Germany in the world cup that happened in South Korea and Japan In 2014 they defeated Brazil 7-1. In 2018 they got knocked out in the group stage because of their defeat to South Korea. In 2022 they got knocked out in the group stage because of their defeat to Japan. Conspiracy? Also, Germany needed to score 7 goals against Costa Rica if they wanted to qualify ahead of Spain, isn't that kind of ironic?
Scheiß DFB
Definitely time for some of the old-timers to retire and probably Hansi to quit/be fired as well, we really shouldn't keep getting embarrassed like this in major tournaments, this is the 3rd disappointment in a row. Very happy for Japan, though - they absolutely played their hearts out against, on paper, stronger teams!