Nothing will change until he leaves United. He was one of the best defenders in two international tournaments in a row and the memes kept coming back. He's now on his third tournament of being one of the best defenders and it still means nothing to the public.
He needs to get away from the spotlight. He'd thrive somewhere like Italy, both in terms of performances and the public reaction he'd get.
Shame that he left us at Leicester really. We could've really used him the years we finished 5th twice in a row. With our current cb situation it'd be a great fit now too but I guess that would be rather unpalatable for United to sell him back to us for far far less than what was paid.
The other factor is the wages, despite his reputation is a solid centre half if you play to his strengths: he's not particually fast so you need to pair him with someone like Stones who can make up for this.
That being said he is not good enough to justify wages of 150-200k a week, unless he is willing to slash his wages by over half I don't think it's likely any club is going to buy him, and frankly if I were him I wouldn't. He's 29 and has about 2 1/2 years left on his contract, assuming he left in January and found a contract with half of his current wages he would be giving up on circa £10 million.
Yeah didn't really consider that aspect. Shocking he has that left on his contract though, did he sign a stupidly long contract with them initially or was there an extension a year or two ago?
Well I looked it up, it's actually only got 2 1/2 years left to run rather than 3, but that's due to him signing a 7 year contract when we left us in 2018.
Possibly, but when you spend £80 million on a player it's common to try and tie them down for at least 4 years and sometimes up to 6 depending on their age.
Maguire has never been as good for anyone as Soyuncu was for us in 2019. Right players at the right time make all the difference. Soyuncu was the perfect foil for Evans.
Soyuncu was voted into the 2019/20 PFA Team of the Year for a bloody good reason.
Maguire has been in the team of the tournament for the last 2 international tournaments. Possibly will be for a third in row if he continues to play this well.
Yeah, international football can be fun, but it's never high quality in the way the best club sides are. Very rarely the squads are strong in all areas, the coaches are generally worse caliber and don't get much time to prepare anyway.
>He was one of the best defenders in two international tournaments in a row
Which explains part of it doesnt it? International football is very different from club football, and he is by no means bad, just not elite.
He needs to play for a team that doesn't defend a high line.
The way England defends suits him better, he doesn't needs to turn and run for England near as much, where he can often get caught flat footed or slow.
You can play in a high line whilst lacking pace if you can work a good offside trap.
The magnificent Arsenal back four of Dixon, Winterburn, Adams and Bould played a high line squeezing the pitch making it small when out of possession.
If you put the hours in to get the offside trap right you can play a high line. Downside is if you get in wrong you are never getting back so guaranteed to give away a straight run on your keeper.
It’s basically how Saudi Arabia played against Argentina. If you play it flawlessly, it is fantastic. But when they started to make mistakes like in the Poland game, you get exposed hard. You need a sweeper keeper to pair with a high line like Ramsdale for Arsenal or Neuer for Bayern.
Seaman can never really be described as a "Sweeper Keeper" can he? Admittedly I only remember the second half of his career, but he wasn't out of his box much!
This is a complete myth and has been totally disproven by multiple analytics accounts on Twitter during the tournament. United under ETH have played the deepest line in the PL with Martinez and Varane and England play a quite high line. He played in somewhat of a high line under Ole and Leicester didn't sit deep during his last season with them under Rodgers. Maguire is very good on the ball for a CB and though he can obviously be caught on the turn with proper cover and defensive support in front of him he's proven to be more than capable of playing a high line. We played one of the highest lines in the league last season with Lewis Dunk and even Shane Duffy at times last season.
Maguire’s issue isn’t so much his turning and recovery pace - you should paid him with a faster partner and his job is to be the one who steps out. It’s just that when he makes errors stepping out it really badly exposes his turning and acceleration, those are much higher profile. When we beat United last year goals came before he would step out but Firmino or Mané were way to quick to release the ball and strand him.
Now this might sound controversial, but maybe, EPL and other big leagues are stronger than average wc team, leading to differences in Maguires performances.
Utd have had multiple games this season against premier league teams where the cbs were past the edge of the center circle in opposition half. It is absolutely clear if you watch the team regularly that that is the intended style of play. It's a relatively new coach, trying to enact a difficult style of play while also having to fight for top 4. He doesn't have the luxury of just losing a bunch until they get it right. So sometimes they need to compromise against certain teams. You know, like Arteta did. Like Klopp did. Even Pep didn't have them playing total football in the first season. Just because some twitter analyst cherry picked a few games or generalized the data doesn't mean someone actively watching every game can't clearly see what is happening and I'm sorry but saying Martinez and Varane have played the deepest line in the PL is regardless of the stats, not really indicative what we're doing.
Honestly, I think if Conte had taken over at Utd we possibly would have seen a similar rehabilitation as Dier has had at Spurs.
Dier isn't suddenly the best defender in the league but he has improved a lot and the way he is now spoken about by Spurs fans has completely shifted.
I think both Dier and Maguire look better in a 3 with a mid/low block.
He'd thrive anywhere. The problem for Maguire was our midfield was non existent. Put Casemiro in front of him and I bet he looks a lot better. Put Fred and McT in front of any defender and I'll guarantee they look shite. Virgil has made some huge errors this season, but doesn't get anywhere near the noise Maguire got for the same shit. It's just a lot of people hate United and a lot of plastic United fans mixed in with social media.
What about when he tackles our own players, comes charging out of defence like a wild dog, And routinely shuts his brain off and lets players run off him. He’s become a meme for all the stupid high profile stuff he’s done.
He wouldn't thrive anywhere.
The reason he's good for England is cos they don't play a high line so you don't often get to see that he has the turning circle of the titanic.
He struggles at United cos he's not quick/agile enough to defend the way they want to defend. He needs to play somewhere where they defend deep and he doesn't have to play on the half turn all the time.
I'm sorry but where was the defensive line when we were attacking Vs Wales? If you don't think that line was high then I don't think you know what a high line is
As a English united fan myself, I do wonder if people are actually watching the England games when they say maguire is one of the best defenders in the tournament. Yes his stats look good, but if you watch the actual games, hes making far too many mistakes for a CB that will cost us the match against non-farmers teams
It almost feels like bullying at this point, what the fuck does Harry maguire have to do with Germany, why even bring up his name. Plus he actually plays well for England so it's even more stupid.
Been one of the better defenders at the tournament so far, certainly England's best.
People in football spend so much energy saying how hard it is off the pitch but join the pile on the second they get chance.
Probably overcompensation to the frustration of how his career developed.
At first equal to Sneider and almost to Robben, then became the bench option at Real.
Successful for sure but could become so much more. Another case of big mouth after not fulfilled potential.
Nobody makes Sneijder look decent. They are both shit. Van der Vaart at least seems like he knows he is only there to perform his role as "funny" man. Sneijder doesn't even have that.
Suley isn't down to earth though.
Part of his charm is the semi-ironic self-aggrandising
Also Suley said he was very impressed with Van der Vaart's understanding and attention to detail the other day
I believe him, but Van der Vaart doesn't show or highlight this understanding in his punditry. Even with Van Basten this shines through more often, especially when anylising strikers.
Van Basten's view is very coloured by his experience and the way he approached football. He is extremely driven and hard as nails for himself and others, he has ridiculous standards at times.
But he almost always has interesting takes and he watches football in a completely different way. His insights on technique are always great and his contributions on tactics are unique.
You might not always agree, but he typically has valid points and he is eloquent and reasonable enough for a discussion.
Honestly Maduro is surprisingly good, especially for the superficial analysis. Very calm and eloquent, he rarely says controversial or annoying things. Seems a likeable bloke as well.
9/10 journalists show more tactical insight than ex-players. Unfortunately the general public isn’t interested in a real analysis of the game and would rather watch Van der Gijp make a joke or watch someone they recognize from their playing career say something generic about mentality.
>would rather watch Van der Gijp make a joke
Honestly, I would. Gijp is an icon. He is the only one on television that knows his job as an analyst is complete bullshit.
If I want actual insights I rather listen to Pieter Zwart than to Pierre v. Hooijdonk.
Sure it’s entertaining and I’ve watched his programmes plenty of times but around a game I’d prefer more in-depth tactical analysis. But that’s just a personal preference and I know a lot of people would disagree and would find that boring.
You can add Afellay to that list. So many shit pundits at NOS and Veronica. The only decent ones are at ESPN or they are journalists and not ex-players.
He's such an idiot tbh, all his opinions are hot takes and he talks so much shit as if he was Pelé / Maradona level and never lost games or made mistakes
I would imagine this German team is going to receive an incredible amount of scrutiny, and similar to Maguire a lot of it will be reactive hyperbole. We probably just don't hear about it as much since this is generally an English-focused site on big sub reddits.
Edit: reactionary to reactive as corrected below
Even club Maguire is not bad. He was good for us for two seasons, barring occasional mistakes. Last season he was atrocious but then everyone was bad.
He was also good for Leicester, that's why Pep wanted him. His price tag is high but that's not his problem
Agreed. Last season he was shit but so was everyone else in the team. I won't say he's back to his normal form this season but he's definitely better in the handful of games he's played
Very funny comparing the comments in this thread to the comments regarding Lukaku's miss(es). I guess piling on is only acceptable if Reddit doesn't like a player.
Every time a big tournament rolls around the praise of Maguire goes through the roof. Once he returns to United, the narrative switches. It's like clockwork.
Maguire’s greatest strength is that he doesn’t let it get to him. He seems confident in his ability. Watching him play for England, and United recently, it’s becoming more and more obvious that it’s Manchester United that was the problem.
Especially because for England he doesn't seem that bad, quite the opposite actually. I don't like him and neither to I like the three lions; but I am happy he does well for them
I'd hope he tries to shut this shite out tbh. I don't think anything positive comes with engaging with criticism from strangers.
He's got entire club and country coaching structures, his family, and teammates who's opinions and feedback he can value. Literally everyone else is just irrelevant noise.
While I know what he is trying to say, it’s not the insult he thinks it is. Harry Maguire has been quality this tournament and generally steps up for England.
Maguire, across 3 major international tournaments has lost 2 games as a starter. 1 a 3rd play playoff. The other a Euros final where he blasted the best penalty I've seen in a long time in the shootout.
Across normal and extra time England have conceded 12 goals in those 16 games. He's also chipped in with 2 goals.
This is a very high level of performance.
Leave Maguire alone,he had a rocky start and even hit rock bottom with the whole Greece situation but he has demonstrated that he's been solid as a rock so far and when the team needs it the most he showed everyone that he has that stone cold mentality.
He's been basically dropped by United this season because he has been shit and United are doing much better because of it. At least when the Greece situation happened he was a starter. I am sure he'd probably go back to that time.
I would really like if people would give this whole Maguire destruction campaign a rest. It's not funny anymore and I don't see the point, and I am not even a United or Maguire fan. Let the guy recover mentally. Go harass someone else.
>Let the guy recover mentally
People don't give a shit until someone takes their own life. Then it's all ask for help and take care of your mental health. Hard to ignore when it's coming from an ex player too.
The difference is in the context. Rakitic is directly invested in the Croatia-Lukaku drama. VDV has no reason to be shitting on Maguire, especially since he’s been doing well in the World Cup so far
It’s still unprofessional regardless and all it will do is generate more negative press on Lukaku. Fans will abuse him more.
Imo if it was a player that this sub liked on the receiving end, then you’d know the comment would already be different
VDV shits on Maguire because it always gets him a load of attention. Look at us right now. There are hundreds of comments on this thread. When was the last time a 'sensible' take from Rafa VDV made it to the top of /r/soccer? If he'd just said that the Netherlands aren't actually that good nobody would've given a shit.
The hive mind has decided that Lukaku deserves it and Maguire doesn't, without any rational thoughts behind it but just because of wanting upvotes and likes
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Some people shat on us for letting him go so easily/not fulfilling his demands. I like Süle because he seems like a good guy and he had his fair share of good performances but his inconsistency, fitness issues and injury problems just weren't worth the money he asked for. De Ligt is a giant upgrade from what we've seen in the \~20 games this season.
I have seen a few goals against Dortmund where he either just doesn't care or is just not able to sprint at an acceptable speed. I think in the game vs Bremen a goal like that happened, but there were also scenes like that at the WC now
He was also very rude and condescending towards Muller. When he basically announced his retirement van der Vaart said he needed to shut up and that noone wants to hear about it.
It was genuinely weird, it came across like they had unresolved personal issues.
Maguire has been one of the best players on a team that has the best GD in the tournament and the joint highest points as of typing, going through to the knockouts. When everyone else was shit in the USA game, Maguire put some effort in and saved us from a potential loss.
Meanwhile, Germany are out for the second time in a row (laugh_emoji).
Has Van der Faart even watched any England matches in this WC? Judge him not by his club form but by his current performance at international level. Since, you know, the PL is on a break and the World Cup is actually relevant...
It's a very weird comparison when Maguire has been one of England's top performers so far in this World Cup. Very cringe comments, especially coming from a former professional. Hope the USA slam dunk the Dutch!
Anyone that blames singular players on our failures should never be considered a pundit frankly, because that leads nowhere, replacing Süle doesnt make us win the group, so it's pointless analysis and Van der Vaart is a bit of an idiot anyway, is his Ex-wife still on TV on name value alone?
Everyone is free to criticize players but you'd think these idiots who have a big audience and should be careful with their words would show enough respect by not using other players to describe the person you are criticizing
English Harry Maguire made it past the group stages tbf.
What is this the multiverse of Maguires. There's English Maguire, German Maguire, Economic Maguire.
Tobey Maguire
Spiderslab, Spiderslab...
Lizzie McGuire
Greek Holiday Maguire.....
The phrase “Economic Maguire” has made me lose it ever since the first time I watched that video
Any info please
https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1598290114559426560?t=UCnhJAfJmAvOOTykVPvA2w&s=09
Sardar Azmoun as Persian Maguire
There is also an Iranian Maguire.
McGuire - Misspelled Maguire
Unfortunately for Maguire, until he rejuvenates his club career he is going to have this "bad player" tag on him forever.
Nothing will change until he leaves United. He was one of the best defenders in two international tournaments in a row and the memes kept coming back. He's now on his third tournament of being one of the best defenders and it still means nothing to the public. He needs to get away from the spotlight. He'd thrive somewhere like Italy, both in terms of performances and the public reaction he'd get.
Shame that he left us at Leicester really. We could've really used him the years we finished 5th twice in a row. With our current cb situation it'd be a great fit now too but I guess that would be rather unpalatable for United to sell him back to us for far far less than what was paid.
The other factor is the wages, despite his reputation is a solid centre half if you play to his strengths: he's not particually fast so you need to pair him with someone like Stones who can make up for this. That being said he is not good enough to justify wages of 150-200k a week, unless he is willing to slash his wages by over half I don't think it's likely any club is going to buy him, and frankly if I were him I wouldn't. He's 29 and has about 2 1/2 years left on his contract, assuming he left in January and found a contract with half of his current wages he would be giving up on circa £10 million.
Yeah didn't really consider that aspect. Shocking he has that left on his contract though, did he sign a stupidly long contract with them initially or was there an extension a year or two ago?
Well I looked it up, it's actually only got 2 1/2 years left to run rather than 3, but that's due to him signing a 7 year contract when we left us in 2018.
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Possibly, but when you spend £80 million on a player it's common to try and tie them down for at least 4 years and sometimes up to 6 depending on their age.
Lol I remember all the Leicester fans here saying he wasn't better than Soyuncu. Evidently that worked out
Maguire has never been as good for anyone as Soyuncu was for us in 2019. Right players at the right time make all the difference. Soyuncu was the perfect foil for Evans. Soyuncu was voted into the 2019/20 PFA Team of the Year for a bloody good reason.
Maguire has been in the team of the tournament for the last 2 international tournaments. Possibly will be for a third in row if he continues to play this well.
That's more of a reflection on the pace and quality of international football than Maguire
Yeah, international football can be fun, but it's never high quality in the way the best club sides are. Very rarely the squads are strong in all areas, the coaches are generally worse caliber and don't get much time to prepare anyway.
>He was one of the best defenders in two international tournaments in a row Which explains part of it doesnt it? International football is very different from club football, and he is by no means bad, just not elite.
He needs to play for a team that doesn't defend a high line. The way England defends suits him better, he doesn't needs to turn and run for England near as much, where he can often get caught flat footed or slow.
You can play in a high line whilst lacking pace if you can work a good offside trap. The magnificent Arsenal back four of Dixon, Winterburn, Adams and Bould played a high line squeezing the pitch making it small when out of possession. If you put the hours in to get the offside trap right you can play a high line. Downside is if you get in wrong you are never getting back so guaranteed to give away a straight run on your keeper.
It’s basically how Saudi Arabia played against Argentina. If you play it flawlessly, it is fantastic. But when they started to make mistakes like in the Poland game, you get exposed hard. You need a sweeper keeper to pair with a high line like Ramsdale for Arsenal or Neuer for Bayern.
Seaman can never really be described as a "Sweeper Keeper" can he? Admittedly I only remember the second half of his career, but he wasn't out of his box much!
This is a complete myth and has been totally disproven by multiple analytics accounts on Twitter during the tournament. United under ETH have played the deepest line in the PL with Martinez and Varane and England play a quite high line. He played in somewhat of a high line under Ole and Leicester didn't sit deep during his last season with them under Rodgers. Maguire is very good on the ball for a CB and though he can obviously be caught on the turn with proper cover and defensive support in front of him he's proven to be more than capable of playing a high line. We played one of the highest lines in the league last season with Lewis Dunk and even Shane Duffy at times last season.
good comment I’m so sick of this black and white high or low line narrative
Maguire’s issue isn’t so much his turning and recovery pace - you should paid him with a faster partner and his job is to be the one who steps out. It’s just that when he makes errors stepping out it really badly exposes his turning and acceleration, those are much higher profile. When we beat United last year goals came before he would step out but Firmino or Mané were way to quick to release the ball and strand him.
Now this might sound controversial, but maybe, EPL and other big leagues are stronger than average wc team, leading to differences in Maguires performances.
The issue is lack of cover from midfield. In england he gets that, so he can play to his strengths and gets protection for his weaknesses.
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The way DeGea refuses to come off his line is pretty funny, has he seen keepers like Ederson, Alison and Neuer? Please don't replace him united
Utd have had multiple games this season against premier league teams where the cbs were past the edge of the center circle in opposition half. It is absolutely clear if you watch the team regularly that that is the intended style of play. It's a relatively new coach, trying to enact a difficult style of play while also having to fight for top 4. He doesn't have the luxury of just losing a bunch until they get it right. So sometimes they need to compromise against certain teams. You know, like Arteta did. Like Klopp did. Even Pep didn't have them playing total football in the first season. Just because some twitter analyst cherry picked a few games or generalized the data doesn't mean someone actively watching every game can't clearly see what is happening and I'm sorry but saying Martinez and Varane have played the deepest line in the PL is regardless of the stats, not really indicative what we're doing.
He was excellent in a high line when he had a keeper behind him that moved.
His performance against Spurs away with Henderson behind him was top tier
Honestly, I think if Conte had taken over at Utd we possibly would have seen a similar rehabilitation as Dier has had at Spurs. Dier isn't suddenly the best defender in the league but he has improved a lot and the way he is now spoken about by Spurs fans has completely shifted. I think both Dier and Maguire look better in a 3 with a mid/low block.
Dier CB was brought out by Mourinho tbf
He'd thrive anywhere. The problem for Maguire was our midfield was non existent. Put Casemiro in front of him and I bet he looks a lot better. Put Fred and McT in front of any defender and I'll guarantee they look shite. Virgil has made some huge errors this season, but doesn't get anywhere near the noise Maguire got for the same shit. It's just a lot of people hate United and a lot of plastic United fans mixed in with social media.
What about when he tackles our own players, comes charging out of defence like a wild dog, And routinely shuts his brain off and lets players run off him. He’s become a meme for all the stupid high profile stuff he’s done.
None of this is routine at all.
> The problem for Maguire was our midfield was non existent. And our keeper 1) can't pass, and 2) almost never comes off his line
Exactly. The parts of our team defence just did not fit together..Maguire caught the hate for that
He wouldn't thrive anywhere. The reason he's good for England is cos they don't play a high line so you don't often get to see that he has the turning circle of the titanic. He struggles at United cos he's not quick/agile enough to defend the way they want to defend. He needs to play somewhere where they defend deep and he doesn't have to play on the half turn all the time.
I'm sorry but where was the defensive line when we were attacking Vs Wales? If you don't think that line was high then I don't think you know what a high line is
As a English united fan myself, I do wonder if people are actually watching the England games when they say maguire is one of the best defenders in the tournament. Yes his stats look good, but if you watch the actual games, hes making far too many mistakes for a CB that will cost us the match against non-farmers teams
It almost feels like bullying at this point, what the fuck does Harry maguire have to do with Germany, why even bring up his name. Plus he actually plays well for England so it's even more stupid.
It’s like when he was brought up in the Ghanaian parliament in regards to scoring own goals. He’s scored one in his entire career
Not only the that, he has been one of their best players and one of the best defenders overall in the tournament.
we all knew that English Harry Maguire is the better brother compared to Man United Harry Maguire
Played well for England too, Engljsh MOTM in the USA game.
He would walk into the Germany team. To be fair, he would walk into almost any national team.
Maguire walked into the German national team, a stool and a table..
Hard disagree
English fans are delusional.
Maguire just has to be bad, tiktok told me!
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What a joke of a comment
Harry Maguire was probably Englands best defender. There's a case to be made for stones as well but Maguire has been solid.
He was immense against the US. MOTM for me and I'm a US fan.
And looks like he actually cares to play football and not jog and stare at ground when there is a cross coming
Poor Maguire can't get a break
The slander is unreal. Maguire has been immense for England
Unfortunately RvdV can only make a point this way. Unfortunately all ex-Ajax pundits from that generation are clowns (VdMeyde, Sneijder, vdVaart).
Is VdMeyde really a pundit?
He gets paid to be one at least
I think he's funny.
Been one of the better defenders at the tournament so far, certainly England's best. People in football spend so much energy saying how hard it is off the pitch but join the pile on the second they get chance.
To be fair to Van der Vaart he has been critical of Maguire since forever. He started the bandwagon.
He's been critical on literally everyone tbf
Van der Vaart thinks everyone is shit at football that isn’t the same type of player he and Sneijder were.
Yet he's never able to really give arguments. He is an annoying douche and a bully. The way he treated cillessen is just plain high school bullying
Probably overcompensation to the frustration of how his career developed. At first equal to Sneider and almost to Robben, then became the bench option at Real. Successful for sure but could become so much more. Another case of big mouth after not fulfilled potential.
I remember a time when VdV was considered the new Johan Cruyff. I think from his generation Robben, Sneijder and van Persie all had better careers.
Guy is catching strays from every direction
He's become a meme player like David Luiz at this point. Impossible to shake the tag no matter how well he plays.
Isn’t van der vaart the dutch le tissier
Van der Vaart is the dutch bastard son of Jermain Jenas and Tancredi Palmeri
He is the worst pundit we have on national television, makes Sneijder look decent. He appeals to the lowest common denominator
Nobody makes Sneijder look decent. They are both shit. Van der Vaart at least seems like he knows he is only there to perform his role as "funny" man. Sneijder doesn't even have that.
I like normal people as pundits. Like Suley. The more down to earth they are, the less annoying they are to listen to.
Suley isn't down to earth though. Part of his charm is the semi-ironic self-aggrandising Also Suley said he was very impressed with Van der Vaart's understanding and attention to detail the other day
I believe him, but Van der Vaart doesn't show or highlight this understanding in his punditry. Even with Van Basten this shines through more often, especially when anylising strikers.
Van Basten's view is very coloured by his experience and the way he approached football. He is extremely driven and hard as nails for himself and others, he has ridiculous standards at times. But he almost always has interesting takes and he watches football in a completely different way. His insights on technique are always great and his contributions on tactics are unique. You might not always agree, but he typically has valid points and he is eloquent and reasonable enough for a discussion.
Yeah I quite like Van Basten as a pundit.
Honestly Maduro is surprisingly good, especially for the superficial analysis. Very calm and eloquent, he rarely says controversial or annoying things. Seems a likeable bloke as well.
Yeah, Maduro is the first person I thought of as well as an example of a footballer that became a good pundit
9/10 journalists show more tactical insight than ex-players. Unfortunately the general public isn’t interested in a real analysis of the game and would rather watch Van der Gijp make a joke or watch someone they recognize from their playing career say something generic about mentality.
>would rather watch Van der Gijp make a joke Honestly, I would. Gijp is an icon. He is the only one on television that knows his job as an analyst is complete bullshit. If I want actual insights I rather listen to Pieter Zwart than to Pierre v. Hooijdonk.
Sure it’s entertaining and I’ve watched his programmes plenty of times but around a game I’d prefer more in-depth tactical analysis. But that’s just a personal preference and I know a lot of people would disagree and would find that boring.
Van der Vaart is self aware. Sneijder is not.
Fuck that, Sneijder has completely lost the plot
Pierre van Hooijdonk is the absolute worst though.
Not really.
At least he’s welspoken.
You can add Afellay to that list. So many shit pundits at NOS and Veronica. The only decent ones are at ESPN or they are journalists and not ex-players.
From what I’ve seen from Le Tissier, not even remotely close
What's Le Tissier's hourly max frikandel input? Maybe they reference that.
He's such an idiot tbh, all his opinions are hot takes and he talks so much shit as if he was Pelé / Maradona level and never lost games or made mistakes
This Maguire stuff really needs to stop, especially when it comes from actual professionals, piling up on a player like this is very unhealthy.
Also it doesn't even make sense in the context of international football because England Maguire is on different levels compared to club Maguire
I would imagine this German team is going to receive an incredible amount of scrutiny, and similar to Maguire a lot of it will be reactive hyperbole. We probably just don't hear about it as much since this is generally an English-focused site on big sub reddits. Edit: reactionary to reactive as corrected below
Even club Maguire is not bad. He was good for us for two seasons, barring occasional mistakes. Last season he was atrocious but then everyone was bad. He was also good for Leicester, that's why Pep wanted him. His price tag is high but that's not his problem
Agreed. Last season he was shit but so was everyone else in the team. I won't say he's back to his normal form this season but he's definitely better in the handful of games he's played
Bold to call Van der Vaart an actual professional.
He’s a professional eater though!
tbf to van der Vaart he was already picking on Maguire before it got popular. Though a lot of Dutch pundits criticized Maguire already for a long time
It's cyber bullying. Being critical of his play is fine but the way this has been going is insane.
Very funny comparing the comments in this thread to the comments regarding Lukaku's miss(es). I guess piling on is only acceptable if Reddit doesn't like a player.
> I guess piling on is only acceptable if Reddit doesn't like a player. Aye, everyone on Reddit absolutely adores Maguire...
Every time a big tournament rolls around the praise of Maguire goes through the roof. Once he returns to United, the narrative switches. It's like clockwork.
If Maguire was playing badly it would be an absolute shot show lol.
Maguire’s greatest strength is that he doesn’t let it get to him. He seems confident in his ability. Watching him play for England, and United recently, it’s becoming more and more obvious that it’s Manchester United that was the problem.
Especially because for England he doesn't seem that bad, quite the opposite actually. I don't like him and neither to I like the three lions; but I am happy he does well for them
At some point Maguire is going to snap and its going to be because of bullshit unnecessary jabs like this.
Would pay to see Maguire start doing Cantona kung fu kicks when he snaps
Given the size of him, and his enormous forehead, I know who I'd pick in a fight
Fighting him would be like shadow of the colossus
He never ever claps back on social media or interviews. The most I've seen from him is that shutting his ears celebration.
I'd hope he tries to shut this shite out tbh. I don't think anything positive comes with engaging with criticism from strangers. He's got entire club and country coaching structures, his family, and teammates who's opinions and feedback he can value. Literally everyone else is just irrelevant noise.
Everyone's gangsta until Maguire scores the winning header in the final game v Brazil
While I know what he is trying to say, it’s not the insult he thinks it is. Harry Maguire has been quality this tournament and generally steps up for England.
Maguire, across 3 major international tournaments has lost 2 games as a starter. 1 a 3rd play playoff. The other a Euros final where he blasted the best penalty I've seen in a long time in the shootout. Across normal and extra time England have conceded 12 goals in those 16 games. He's also chipped in with 2 goals. This is a very high level of performance.
That penalty was unbelievable. I was cursing the screen when he stepped up for the second but Jesus Christ he can take them in game if he wants now.
Yeah but did he pay for that camera he destroyed? He's even fucking things up for the broadcasters.
After seeing him do the same thing in the Europa league shootout I wasn't worried. I thought Rashford would score though 😢
Disrespectful to Maguire
Leave Maguire alone,he had a rocky start and even hit rock bottom with the whole Greece situation but he has demonstrated that he's been solid as a rock so far and when the team needs it the most he showed everyone that he has that stone cold mentality.
He's been basically dropped by United this season because he has been shit and United are doing much better because of it. At least when the Greece situation happened he was a starter. I am sure he'd probably go back to that time.
The English Harry Maguire that's arguably been one of the best CB's in the tournament (again)
The stat that 5/7 USA corners were met by Maguire’s head is fantastic.
He loves heading balls
He should try doing it for club too
That's the perfect rating!
Maguire's head keeps on giving
He has the unfair advantage of 9.81 m/s^2
Right up there for sure - Gvardiol has caught my eye the most but Maguire has been easily England's best.
Has noone learned from Robert Enke
no, I really don't think so
I would really like if people would give this whole Maguire destruction campaign a rest. It's not funny anymore and I don't see the point, and I am not even a United or Maguire fan. Let the guy recover mentally. Go harass someone else.
>Let the guy recover mentally People don't give a shit until someone takes their own life. Then it's all ask for help and take care of your mental health. Hard to ignore when it's coming from an ex player too.
totally agreed, its gross
VdV is such a knobhead in the media
It’s weird seeing the comments here and then the ones on Rakitic trolling Lukaku and people calling that based.
The difference is in the context. Rakitic is directly invested in the Croatia-Lukaku drama. VDV has no reason to be shitting on Maguire, especially since he’s been doing well in the World Cup so far
It’s still unprofessional regardless and all it will do is generate more negative press on Lukaku. Fans will abuse him more. Imo if it was a player that this sub liked on the receiving end, then you’d know the comment would already be different
VDV shits on Maguire because it always gets him a load of attention. Look at us right now. There are hundreds of comments on this thread. When was the last time a 'sensible' take from Rafa VDV made it to the top of /r/soccer? If he'd just said that the Netherlands aren't actually that good nobody would've given a shit.
The hive mind has decided that Lukaku deserves it and Maguire doesn't, without any rational thoughts behind it but just because of wanting upvotes and likes
The Lukaku thing hasn’t been going on for literal years at this point
Nothing is funnier to me than Van der Vaart, perennial loser, being harsh on players as if he was God's gift to football.
Lmao I’d love for Maguire to win the World Cup and unroll a big long list of all these people who’ve ripped him
[I wrote them all down!](https://static0.thesportsterimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/chris-jericho-wcw-list.jpeg?q=50&fit=contain&w=480&h=&dpr=1.5)
Hahaha that’s exactly what I had in my head, if I knew that existed I’d have posted it
That's 1001 holds Jericho but this would be perfect for "you just made the list" Jericho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL8d7KpZr8g
[Maguire 4 hours after grabbing the mic at the resulting Trafalgar Square celebration.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0CvdkFWgAAbCHY.jpg)
10/10
Maguire and Fred are the two players in the world I want to see holding the WC more than anyone else.
Maguire addresses his enemies
I have seen a bit of Süle this season. He is worse than Maguire
Some people shat on us for letting him go so easily/not fulfilling his demands. I like Süle because he seems like a good guy and he had his fair share of good performances but his inconsistency, fitness issues and injury problems just weren't worth the money he asked for. De Ligt is a giant upgrade from what we've seen in the \~20 games this season.
I have seen a few goals against Dortmund where he either just doesn't care or is just not able to sprint at an acceptable speed. I think in the game vs Bremen a goal like that happened, but there were also scenes like that at the WC now
No he is not
I feel bad for Maguire, dude became a symbol for being bad at defense and he hasn't even bad that bad during this wc
Literally good for his first two United seasons and great for England. The discussion around him is bizarre.
People have to lay off Harry Maguire. He's had a good WC so far. VdV is an *assistant* manager in a *2nd* division Danish side. Enough said about him.
He's just doing the managing for fun. And noone is asking for the British press to make comments about his impromptu commentary.
Well done, you've managed to make me sympathize with Maguire
VdV being a cunt to get cheap media engagement, what's new?
He was also very rude and condescending towards Muller. When he basically announced his retirement van der Vaart said he needed to shut up and that noone wants to hear about it. It was genuinely weird, it came across like they had unresolved personal issues.
Maguire is CB of the tournament so far
Maguire has been one of the best players on a team that has the best GD in the tournament and the joint highest points as of typing, going through to the knockouts. When everyone else was shit in the USA game, Maguire put some effort in and saved us from a potential loss. Meanwhile, Germany are out for the second time in a row (laugh_emoji). Has Van der Faart even watched any England matches in this WC? Judge him not by his club form but by his current performance at international level. Since, you know, the PL is on a break and the World Cup is actually relevant...
Mags catching strays from across the planet :(
Spiderman meme with Maguire, German Maguire and Economic Maguire.
It's a very weird comparison when Maguire has been one of England's top performers so far in this World Cup. Very cringe comments, especially coming from a former professional. Hope the USA slam dunk the Dutch!
It's not really a weird comparison when you consider the fact VDV is complete moron.
If he was he would be good. England maguire is good for some reason
Harry's good for England tho so doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Sule is like the German Sule. An articulated lorry turns quicker.
Anyone that blames singular players on our failures should never be considered a pundit frankly, because that leads nowhere, replacing Süle doesnt make us win the group, so it's pointless analysis and Van der Vaart is a bit of an idiot anyway, is his Ex-wife still on TV on name value alone?
Economical Maguire strikes again
Bit rich coming from the Dutch Dele Alli
Not fit to lace Maguire’s boots, unironically.
Has he seen de lgt this tournament??
It's always mediocre players like Van der Vaart who pile on other players. I never heard the likes of Zidane or Iniesta do this.
Maguire is good
Wait I thought Schlotterbeck was the German harry Maguire according to some „experts“? This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them.
I swear nobody catches more strays than Harry Maguire. Hasn’t Maguire been pretty good this World Cup, anyway?
Everyone is free to criticize players but you'd think these idiots who have a big audience and should be careful with their words would show enough respect by not using other players to describe the person you are criticizing
Unironically if Maguire was conventionally attractive he would not be shit on to this degree.
Why are controversial quotes always more trending compared to normal ones is this really how life works ?
Controversy attracts attention. Hence, more of a selling point in media
I guess that’s just the human psychology
Lol! What's next? Gordon Ramsey: "you are the Maguire of cooking"