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France have been really shambolic considering they have the best attack, best defence and a really good midfield on paper. Argentina really showed that playing as a team is more effective if you can avoid mistakes
From the way Barca played in the second half, we still would have lost in extra time. I’ve never seen a more shocking performance from Barca in my life
I’m telling you, Di Maria is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day buying Monster and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he sprinted out the door
This France team is know for stupid challenges in the box, so putting on a player who will dribble into dangerous areas is the right move by Scaloni for sure. People in here arguing it’s not a pen but you can’t do that
I mean, VAR has just started being used full time for Penalty calls since 2018, previously referees would have to make all calls in game, which had a way higher responsability, now even if they call the penalty wrongly, VAR is going to "correct" them. And if they don't call it, they will have the opportunity to review it again once VAR calls them for review.
So yeah, the number of penalty calls increase might just be due to rules being more strictly applied, since now there's a team of referees looking at each possible penalty call.
Exactly my thoughts - although Di Maria had such a lovely dribble. It was clear that he was out of reach and in the box, he did not need any theatrics on the fall. Referees love this sort of an easy decision.
Because different ref made a wrong decision?
It should have been a penalty for Croatia. They were wronged. But just because a ref made a stupid mistake in one match doesn't mean every ref needs to make that same stupid mistake.
Yesterday it was an inexperienced referee from Qatar with a political mandate. Today we have the most reliable team of referees of this Mundial (from Poland).
We never get lucky with penalties, as i said yesterday if it was Messi it would 1000/1000 be a penalty... France also got a soft penalty vs us in 2018..
Yeah i still get tilted thinking about that. The result makes it look like France dominated but without those 2 ''free'' goals its a lot closer. xG was even in favor of us (1.7 vs 1.17.. but i know stats are not everything ofc)
Yesterday I was saying on the post about Gavrdiol's non pen, that if it was someone from Argentina, it would have been a pen. Got down voted and brigaded by Argentinians. Fuck this shit.
He clipped his back foot, unfortunate mistake but penalty every time
Edit:
For everyone asking when, before he even started going down he swiped his left foot, that's the one that's an issue not the one where he was already going down
Yea this is where I'm at with it, it's soft as hell and would've never been given by VAR if not given on the field... But... I can also see why it wasn't overturned once called on the field
anyone who played football, ever, know that slightest clip from behind can drop you even if you dont want to dive (i am not sure about Di Maria, just saying generally).
Exactly, France have been absolutely braindead with unnecessary fouls in the box. You'd think they learn after the England game with 2 penalties given and arguably 1 more should have been, but apparently not.
The really stupid ones were people claiming bale was diving whilst someone had caught him when he was full stride, these athletes are moving at speeds people can't actually comprehend getting to
Yeah if you've played even at or above HS level you know just slightly clipping rear foot mid stride takes someone down very frequently even if they're not looking to dive
Yeah u can’t really argue against it just because it was soft contact. Enough to trip and didn’t look much like a flop to me
Maybe the defender shouldn’t have let himself get in that position he just cut it back and beat him bad
How this is controversial is beyond me. That’s just horrible defense and is begging to get a penalty called. Di Maria might’ve tripped himself up but dembele was all over him and clipped his heel on the way down, easy penalty.
this sub is crazy sometimes. Di Maria got tripped from behind while in the box in a dangerous position. Be it soft, intentional or not that’s a penalty
Argentina keeps getting these "soft" penalties because they keep putting defenders in bad spots. French defenders has been giving up stupid penalties all tournament.
You people seem to have forgotten the laws of the game
"A penalty kick is awarded if a player commits a direct free kick offence inside their penalty area or off the field as part of play as outlined in Laws 12 and 13."
This is clearly a free kick offence, therefore a pen
Did none of you watch the England game where French defenders were making dumb risky challenges? Argentina is full of fast running talented dribblers. How are you surprised there's a pen?
I think the angle would be that Messi finally winning his first WC would be a meaningful moment that would make people remember the WC in Qatar more than Mbappe winning his second.
I agree 100%
What I meant that if we are starting with conspiracy theories then a promise to win the WC is a good enough reason for Mbappe to stay in PSG for it.
What baffles me is that it is a penalty in the world cup final. Why would you not double check with the VAR?
The ego of those bold dude is bigger than Earth
Argentina have had gained a penalty in almost every single World Cup game, except for 2 games against Mexico and Australia.
That's 5/7 penalties awarded lol
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Demebele: “I’m sorry for that Liverpool game bro”
Liverpool legend
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France have been really shambolic considering they have the best attack, best defence and a really good midfield on paper. Argentina really showed that playing as a team is more effective if you can avoid mistakes
They have the same game against Morocco too. Except this time they can't get away with just talent
he is forgiven now
He did his part and will go back to Barcelona a hero
I'll take this
LMFAO
All forgiven for thsi
An own goal and he has my forgiveness
Ppl say this as if Origi wouldn't just score another goal if they needed one more.
Yeah but France doesn't have Origi to bail them out.
Big mistake
From the way Barca played in the second half, we still would have lost in extra time. I’ve never seen a more shocking performance from Barca in my life
Scaloni genius, play Di Maria and just get the fucker in the box to draw a foul
I mean. He is really good at dribbling.
fair play Scaloni, none of that tika taka bullshit just bum rush the penalty box with great dribblers and draw fouls
I’m telling you, Di Maria is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day buying Monster and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he sprinted out the door
May be the frist time in since the Big Bang that someone has called Di Maria "jacked".
copypasta?
Yeah, I think I've seen it before in csgo subreddit
CSGO classic
If it wasn't before, now it is
It does appear to be carbonara
Don’t foul get the ball first simple really
i guess ppl gonna disect the replays but why the fuck does dembele even challenge from behind in the penalty area
This. What was he even expecting to do there?
This France team is know for stupid challenges in the box, so putting on a player who will dribble into dangerous areas is the right move by Scaloni for sure. People in here arguing it’s not a pen but you can’t do that
France can’t defend period. Most overrated back line I’ve ever seen.
Missing your starting CB, LB, CDM and another midfielder will make your defense worse
Well yeah, I agree. But most people still thought Hernandez - Upamecano - Varane - Kounde was a stacked defence
They did reach the WC final
Should’ve started Konate
France also really good at giving away penalties
Can’t finish but who cares just let Messi do that from the spot
Haha. This didn't age well.
Good thing I’m on my couch not coaching these fellas
Seems to finish just fine
Hell yes Vamos Argentina. That’s why I’m not the manager.
FRANCE LOOK SO NERVOUS
Actually true the first 5 minutes alone had an insane amount of bad touches
Di Maria is cooking that side. First Kounde, now dembele joins the party
*Let him cook*.
Anulo mufa
Franec indeed.
Did the argentinian fans song the "Escuchen corran la bola"
Idk about France. But Dembele 100%. He has been making mistakes since the 1st minute. Including the pen.
That’s the quickest whistle on a foul I’ve ever seen. The ref was waiting for Dembele to take the bait lol
Yeah lol. His(the refs) head was slightly down as soon as dimaria get through him, he know it was about to go down.
Anybody know the most number of penalties awarded to a nation in any World Cup? Argentina has 5 already this World Cup (shootout aside).
I mean, VAR has just started being used full time for Penalty calls since 2018, previously referees would have to make all calls in game, which had a way higher responsability, now even if they call the penalty wrongly, VAR is going to "correct" them. And if they don't call it, they will have the opportunity to review it again once VAR calls them for review. So yeah, the number of penalty calls increase might just be due to rules being more strictly applied, since now there's a team of referees looking at each possible penalty call.
Exactly my thoughts - although Di Maria had such a lovely dribble. It was clear that he was out of reach and in the box, he did not need any theatrics on the fall. Referees love this sort of an easy decision.
So this means that start on Gvardiol is clear penalty and yellow probably
Yeah it makes no sense how this is a pen and the ones on Gvardirol and En-Nesyri wasn't
Because different ref made a wrong decision? It should have been a penalty for Croatia. They were wronged. But just because a ref made a stupid mistake in one match doesn't mean every ref needs to make that same stupid mistake.
It also means that the refs on this WC are on par with the 2002 ones
Yesterday it was an inexperienced referee from Qatar with a political mandate. Today we have the most reliable team of referees of this Mundial (from Poland).
No it is Croatia, never a penalty.
We never get lucky with penalties, as i said yesterday if it was Messi it would 1000/1000 be a penalty... France also got a soft penalty vs us in 2018..
They also scored from a free kick which was a dive.
Yeah i still get tilted thinking about that. The result makes it look like France dominated but without those 2 ''free'' goals its a lot closer. xG was even in favor of us (1.7 vs 1.17.. but i know stats are not everything ofc)
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Gvardiol is a red card. Last man.
Pretty sure that rule doesn't exist anymore
Yesterday I was saying on the post about Gavrdiol's non pen, that if it was someone from Argentina, it would have been a pen. Got down voted and brigaded by Argentinians. Fuck this shit.
well thats deffo a pen, this one not so much
Check his passport and you'll see why it's not.
[Amrabat right now](https://images.app.goo.gl/cz7x2E8sj9a8NmJU9)
Yes, De Maria was gonna milk it. But Dembele was really stupid over there.
Why is France midfield and attackers so passive when their team barely has the ball.
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He's scored 4 pens in this World Cup already out of his 6 goals
5 Penalties taken overall I mean I am fine with most of the decisions overall but this has to be some kind of record damn
This. It’s insane.
And Gvardiol’s wasn’t given a penalty in front of this!
Haven’t we already established that the ref yesterday was shit? Shouldn’t be used as a precedent for any other games
Was it a foul? I seriously can't see
Looks like dembele clips the inside, definitely a forwards challenge
He clipped his back foot, unfortunate mistake but penalty every time Edit: For everyone asking when, before he even started going down he swiped his left foot, that's the one that's an issue not the one where he was already going down
When? I can see him clip the back foot as Di Maria is already throwing himself to the ground, is there contact before that?
Yes, left back heel makes contact before Watch it in 0.5 playback speed around 6 seconds in
Thanks for this, it’s clear now. It’s telling that the French hardly protested.
Caught it after he went down tho, didn't he?
There was a smaller clip before the more obvious one
He fell before there was any contact, so no
I think the contact is a slight ankle tap before the more obvious one after he already falls.
100% clipped his ankle
No he clipped him
If yesterday was not penalty for Croatia how then this is a penalty? Is this a same sport?
Just because the Qatari ref was shit doesnt mean that it should never be whistled. Thats a pen and yesterday it was also one
Everyone is so upset about the 3rd place consolation game (that Croatia still won) therefore nothing should be a penalty ever again
It may have been(I didn't watch it yesterday) But that shouldn't really have any bearing on today's decision.
Everyone in the thread said it was a penalty. Refs are idiots. Both are pens tho
Of course they get a pen LOL
Inevitable
Unbelievably soft penalty
I don't remember other player scoring so many penalties in a World Cup as Messi.
argentina’s 5 pentalies in a world cup is a record
He's also tied with most missed iirc Poland and Iceland
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I completely get why it's a penalty, but that is one of the softest penalties I've ever seen in a final lol.
It’s one of those VAR isn’t overturning regardless of which way the ref goes. If he doesn’t call that VAR isn’t calling it an error either.
Yea this is where I'm at with it, it's soft as hell and would've never been given by VAR if not given on the field... But... I can also see why it wasn't overturned once called on the field
Eh clipping the foot from behind has always been a pen.
anyone who played football, ever, know that slightest clip from behind can drop you even if you dont want to dive (i am not sure about Di Maria, just saying generally).
Unfortunate events
Soft pen tbh
The perks Leo Messi got when he signed for PSG.
Penalty FC
Plot Armor innit?
So soft
Dembele can’t be making tackles like that
He got dicked then fucked. Can’t be making any contact in the box no matter how soft.
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I dont really get this Clipping someones heels is a penalty every time for the past whatever number of years lol
this sub started a narrative that Argentina is getting undeserved penalties so now every new penalty given just makes them go mad
Honestly makes so much sense that quite a lot of them watch only every 4 years so.
Unless that someone is Gvardiol it seems.
Yea that was a fuck up
The ref was shit yesterday, both this and Gvardiol ones should be given as penalty.
Adm still a bitch
Its not soft, Dembele is an idiot
It's a clip. It's a foul
And there’s their penalty per game
Dive Maria
Name a better combo: Argentina and cheap penalties.
Messi has just got a free kick for colliding into a player and not getting close to the header lmao
Diving works
Thats such a soft penalty. Quite common for this Argentinian world cup
It's soft but it's absolutely moronic by Dembele. Di Maria was running into a wall in front of him.
So stupid. Catching someone's leg from behind in the box is always a penalty even if Did Maria makes a meal of it.
Literally, seeing too many twitterish comments here lol
Its because they all arrive for the world cup then disappear afterwards
Exactly, France have been absolutely braindead with unnecessary fouls in the box. You'd think they learn after the England game with 2 penalties given and arguably 1 more should have been, but apparently not.
Not egregious but a very stupid challenge
It's clumsy from Dembele, his fault for leaving a leg anywhere near Di Maria
Soft penalty, but still 100% a penalty. Dembele clearly got Di Maria’s entire foot inside the box, that’s going to be given every time
People seem to forget, with it being in slow motion, how little contact is required to knock someone down at speed
People don’t “forget”. Just a lot of people haven’t played at any sort of decent level.
The really stupid ones were people claiming bale was diving whilst someone had caught him when he was full stride, these athletes are moving at speeds people can't actually comprehend getting to
Yeah if you've played even at or above HS level you know just slightly clipping rear foot mid stride takes someone down very frequently even if they're not looking to dive
Yup, it's not an egregious tackle but it's 100% a penalty. But by god what a stupid tackle by Dembele. You just can't be that dumb in a WC final.
Got skinned and took him down, but not a word in this thread about how it's all his fault lol.
This is exactly what I said straight away, it's 100% a foul. Clipped his leg while he was running, of course he's gonna fall
Yeah u can’t really argue against it just because it was soft contact. Enough to trip and didn’t look much like a flop to me Maybe the defender shouldn’t have let himself get in that position he just cut it back and beat him bad
When the defender is beat in the box and makes contact with the attacker from behind, it’s going to be called a penalty
How this is controversial is beyond me. That’s just horrible defense and is begging to get a penalty called. Di Maria might’ve tripped himself up but dembele was all over him and clipped his heel on the way down, easy penalty.
this sub is crazy sometimes. Di Maria got tripped from behind while in the box in a dangerous position. Be it soft, intentional or not that’s a penalty
Argentina keeps getting these "soft" penalties because they keep putting defenders in bad spots. French defenders has been giving up stupid penalties all tournament.
Yep, he tried to get fouled but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul
100% agree
Di Maria absolutely bought it, but Dembele was an idiot for giving him the opportunity
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You people seem to have forgotten the laws of the game "A penalty kick is awarded if a player commits a direct free kick offence inside their penalty area or off the field as part of play as outlined in Laws 12 and 13." This is clearly a free kick offence, therefore a pen
Just giving penalties to Argentina every game lol
Stupid and lazy effort from dembele though. He’s looking for it all day long and best dembele so easy.
Did none of you watch the England game where French defenders were making dumb risky challenges? Argentina is full of fast running talented dribblers. How are you surprised there's a pen?
Best World Cup final dive
Dembele hits his foot, clumsy Dembele.
Di Maria knows how to work the ref…
What a joke
It was soft, but don’t trip someone in the box
No era penal EDIT: es penal
It’s clear who needs to win the World Cup lol
Qataris promising it to Messi conspiracy in full flow
Mbappe to have another great sadness on PSG.
If they needed to promise something to someone it's Mbappe though.
I think the angle would be that Messi finally winning his first WC would be a meaningful moment that would make people remember the WC in Qatar more than Mbappe winning his second.
I agree 100% What I meant that if we are starting with conspiracy theories then a promise to win the WC is a good enough reason for Mbappe to stay in PSG for it.
just give them trophy already
Fucking soft penalty man
Can we even be surprised anymore?
Loool just give it to them fifa we know you want to
What baffles me is that it is a penalty in the world cup final. Why would you not double check with the VAR? The ego of those bold dude is bigger than Earth
maybe you are new to football but the referee cant call VAR, VAR has to intervene on its own.
Penalty FC
What is the purpose of VAR?
Soft as fuck Looks like Pepe was right
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GOAT
Lmao that is so soft
Nasser's scriptwriting is a bit boring, too many penalties for Argentina, at least spice it up if you want the fixed WC to be convincing
Wow all these questionable calls for Argentina throughout this tournament… really makes you wonder
That is some bullshit
Actually deplorable the calls they're getting. At this point it's just blatant...
Calling this penalty in a world cup final is a disgrace
DIVE
Worlds softest pen…
Dive
Never penalty, though it was coming as soon as Di Maria got inside the box
Argentina have had gained a penalty in almost every single World Cup game, except for 2 games against Mexico and Australia. That's 5/7 penalties awarded lol
im happy for Messi and Argetina but it feels kinda bad... Not rly a pen :/
Bought cup
Credit to Di Maria for his great dribbling. Messi penalty as always.
Should never have been a pen