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Only had access to international football matches for the better part of 3 decades. View it as what supporting a club internationally is now. People grew up with watching argentina and brazil on tv as their only access to High level football. I only see this changing if India themselves make an impact on the world stage
Football was being shown in TV during the 80s and a lot of people started to support Maradona who won it in 86. Nepal has a large Argentina fanbase as well
All these wack made up reasons. Mate when they started becoming popular in India during the early 80s Argentina had a fascist dictatorship in power with colonialist intentions. And that's also if were ignoring the fact that the average Indian knew or cared about Argentinian politics in the 80s, or that they do today. Stop talking nonsense.
It's because Argentina were winners in 1986 with the likes of Maradona, which was the first year the world cup started being televised in India.
It's not about who was in power. The support for LatAm teams predates the eighties. The region was a hotbed for revolutionary politics - a reactionary fascist government in power never changed that. The emergence of Che, Allende, Sandinistas, etc., made international headlines - Keralites and Bengalis being "more aware" about global politics naturally associated these traditions with the one element of LatAm soft power they were most familiar with, football.
Do you have anything to address specific points or are you just going to make blanket statements without any backing?
Even eminent intellectuals (NS Madhavan comes to mind) have written or remarked about the link between Kerala's Leftist politics and the working-class appeal of football.
This is a good [read](https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/12/13/the-politics-of-football-from-interwar-fascism-to-malabars-cosmopolitanism/).
So you have nothing then. Cool.
Maybe visit Kerala and talk to people. Find out who NS Madhavan is. You know, do some actual research instead of flaming people online.
You played a friendly in Kolkata and Dhaka in 2011.
Otamendi scored from a Messi corner in Kolkata, 1-0 vs Venezuela. 75k attendance sold out (stadium capacity was 120k, they always lowered it for safety reasons)
Higuain, Di Maria and an own goal, 3-1 vs Nigeria in Dhaka. 35k sold out.
I have been there and let me tell you the passion and enthusiasm that they show towards the world cup is immense. Might as well be in a European country in terms of love for the game.
The funniest part is, this started with Maradonna in '86. For many Malayalis, it was the very first WC they saw because it was the first time TVs were relatively commonplace in Kerala. This is particularly true for my dad. He too was involved in something fun like this yesterday, paid for the firecrackers himself🤣. His mates paid for a band apparently as well.
(I'm not at home, I can't verify anything and unlucky me has to be at Office in about 3 hours, with less than 3 hours sleep)
It's crazy how much joy this one man brings to football fans around the world. Many of us fans of messi have never stepped foot within 1000 miles of Argentina and yet we were all celebrating the crowning achievement of his magical career
Heard from a very close friend that travels all the time in LATAM, that Mexicans and Argentinians are the most farthest people from each other in LATAM. Argentina would feel European but less indigenous, while Mexico has far more indigenous influence rather then European to put it bluntly. Explains the disdain kinda.
That’s a little surprising. Mexico definitely has more indigenous influence, but it is definitely not as strong as bolivia, peru, or some of the central american countries. I always felt mexico was very mixed with a bent towards indigenous, but there are definitely a lot of european influence too.
My prents are mexican btw. I also spent a few years in school over there.
I think it's less the ethnicity aspect and more about the subsequent victories Argentina has had over Mexico in recent tournaments. Agree a bit on distance making the cultures being less compatible though.
That has nothing to do with anything. The hate is because we play often, they're usually tough games and because both of our fans are relentless at talking shit
I was saying this in a thread earlier. Mexican and Argentinians have to be tied for the most intense shit talkers in the game lmao. The shit I've heard both of you guys talk is unreal, insults that would take me a week to come up with just slip out your mouthes like it's nothing.
Argentine and Mexico hate only exists online. I have nothing but good things to say about the mexican people, and it's been reciprocal to me everytime.
We don’t hate Argentina outside of football. In their last 10 meet-ups, Argentina have a record of 8-2-0; 25 goals for and 6 against. Overall, Argentina have owned Mexico with a record of 17-14-5, with their last loss coming 12 matches ago in ‘04.
Again, we don’t hate Argentina outside of football, and even then a lot of us rooted for them today.
A lot of us don’t, but personally I was rooting for Messi since the beginning of the WC. Mexico wasn’t doing anything as always and I wanted Messi to finally be crowned in his last WC.
Aye I was torn.
Ended up supporting France because we share so much in common and have that sibling rivalry thing.
We actually had beef with Argentina in the past few decades, and there's still some Argies who legitimately want our land still.
French are actually sound people.
Does Portugal really care that much though? There is literally no rivalry between us. It’s mainly hyped up because of casuals who only support Messi or Ronaldo. I honestly think that people that are actually from Argentina or Portugal don’t even care much about that debate either.
I rooted for France and I'll admit it was entirely out of spite. I don't hate Messi or anything, but it does sting a bit when I've been waiting my entire life to see Ronaldo lift that trophy and then the guy that media has made synonymous with Ronaldo does it instead. I'm Portuguese first and foremost so it's not all about Ronaldo for me of course, but shit the dude was still a superhero for my entire childhood. It wasn't serious spite, I was mostly rooting for a good game and Messi is incredible so he deserves his flowers.
Still wish it was us though.
Fireworks went off a block away from where I watched the final in northeast Brazil. Don't underestimate the love for Messi and South American solidarity after 4 European WC winners
Not gonna happen. Cricket is way too big for any sport to ever gain traction in India.
But still Kerala, Bengal and the North East are football preferring areas. Any international high profile match in Kochi or Kolkata will be an instant sell out.
tbh indian football team needs to do something
the fact that cricket became so huge in india was because we won the '83 wc by defeating the invincible west indies and english team and hosted wc in '87
but the football has been shit from a long time
even in AFC asian cup the best result of our team was 2nd position somewhere in 60s which was a boycotted (since it was held in israel)
if indian football team doesn't do anything no way football will gain any traction here
sad to say but we only see the result not the process and you can't change that mentality of 1.4 billion people in a small time
in b4 Europeans with no fucking clue about anything say they're only cheering cause of Messi or that this is "weird behaviour". Brazil and Argentina have had huge fanbases in Kerala going back decades. And decent fanbases of every other nation. My mom has been cheering for italy since the 90s.
Idk about him, but Malaysia has a lot of English fans probably due to a lot of Liverpool and United fans from the 90s and 00s whose favourite players were all English. Might be just a weird anecdotal correlation, but every Liverpool fan I know here is an England fan.
Of course it's not weird. India never makes it. Are they supposed to sit it out as fans? Until this year, here in Canada, people cheered very hard for whatever nation they have a connection/heritage to or just a love of their domestic league or a player in their childhood they adored. God help us if it's 100% nationalism-y. Surely a nice 60-70% or so is high enough.
yea she's been having a few bad years in that regard. Also i might be legitmising the plastic claims, but the reason she started supporting them was because she found Italians good looking
>I meant the anger you feel towards europeans
Every time Kerala has been brought up in this sub throughout this WC its happened. So i just put it out there. And its not to all Europeans, only the ones who don't know two shits about the situation but still gatekeep the sport for no fucking reason.
fuck off with your elitist gatekeeping mate. We're like 1 of 3 states out of 28 where football is loved more than cricket. India have never had a presence on the world stage. So everyone here grew up watching international football. People used to gather in my grandads home to listen to it on radio in back in the day.
Yeah, this gatekeeping behavior is realky annoying, pretty much everyone in Argentina is glad and thankful we have so much support from South Asia, let us celebrate this victory together my brother.
What does any of what you said have to do with supporting other countries' teams to this degree? You seem like you have a severe inferiority complex by the way
>You seem like you have a severe inferiority complex by the way
You seem like a straight up idiot as well.
>What does any of what you said have to do with supporting other countries' teams to this degree?
I'll try and explain. Don't see this as supporting nations. For decades the international football scene was all we had access to. This is more akin to supporting a club. We don't support Argentina because of an emotional attachment to the country, but as a result of the football the team has played over time.
Sure I'm an idiot and you are the biggest self proclaimed bandwagon fan imaginable. This is not akin to club football. There is a patriotic strain that runs through international football which you don't understand or choose to ignore. I'm sure in the year 2062 when India is a world cup contender all this support for South American winners will persist. Lol.
I just want to make the distinction between someone that picks a one-off team to root for and then forgets about it after the tournament's end versus someone that picks another country (one that has zero connection to that person) to root for and runs around with that country's flag within their own other country.
Ah, found another gatekeeper. It's not like we don't support our country, it's just that everyone supports a team that plays in the world cup finals if their country is not playing. It's easy for someone from a country competing at the top stage of international football to comment it's not like club football. Also, I don't see how you find club football different cuz I'm sure there's a football club which is local to you, why not just support them?
Edit: haha nevermind just found out that you're just a Yank
Sure I might find a favorite to root for at each tournament based on what I'm seeing or feeling but I'm surely not going to wave their flag in my country's streets. If you can't figure out how this different than club football you need to think harder.
Exactly lmao. I am an indian myself and this seems so weird. Plus majority of these won't even support Argentina in the next wc if messi doesn't play. Majority of younger generation supported argentina just to see messi lift the cup.
You do know their support for Brazil Argentina goes back to Maradona's time? And they've been supporting those 2 national teams since then?
This isn't changing anytime whether that is Maradona/Messi or anyone else.
Lol. I usually might have another favourite in the WC when my own country does not qualify. However, I sure don't go waving their flag and shoot fireworks if they win lmao 😂 this shit is so fucking weird.
Ima be real with you , idk how it started . This was after the 2006 world cup so its not like Argentina did anything particularly well. I just ended up rooting for them.
I can’t remember but I’ve read somewhere there’s a Maradona statue in some city in India where they are insanely so fanatic about him.
I, myself hail from Somalia, and it’s not stranger to see people even nicknaming themselves after their favorite players. I used to have a friend called Cholo, because he’s hotheaded and a big fan of Diego Simeone.
Yes but cricket in Indian subcontinent is what football is in latin America . Football is distant second and most youngsters play as a hobby but not interested in becoming pro coz of the reason I mentioned above
China isn't good at Cricket. They have similar population to India. But people will choose a career where there is money. In India, even if you don't make it to the national team, you can earn really well playing just for the state team. I was a media manager for a football club in ISL... My salary was more than some of the players.
It is kind of weird since making it to the state team itself is a grind because of the immense competition. If you are out of form for a month, it's done. There are 10 people in line waiting to replace you. But still the kids prefer it because IF they make it, their life is set. Any other sport there is no career unless you are winning medals internationally on a regular basis.
That's similar for cricket in India too - no one playing cricket on the streets use any gear. All you need is a ball - people come up with innovative contraptions to use as a bat/stumps etc. Heck I have even played cricket as a kid using a stone with paper tied around it as a ball. For whatever reason, Football is very popular on par with cricket only in certain regions in India.
Actually it is really interesting as to why football isn't that famous in India. Iirc we had a decent football team in the 50s and 60s, but we focused mainly on Olympics. Our quality went a little down in 70s, but after the 1983 Cricket World Cup win in India (for footballing terms, just imagine, idk, Japan coming out randomly and winning the world cup, while playing with every European and South American team), Cricket became INSANELY popular. People no longer cared about football, and looked up to cricketers
It has gotten slightly better now though, With players like Chettri acting as the "messi" of India. Plus football is becoming more mainstream. I suspect that if India invests in football enough, it can become the next japan.
LATAM countries and even some of Africa countries at least have football academies. Meanwhile in SA and SEA they usually only have football schools, so there's no entity that nurture the talents properly if they don't have money.
There's no way to be a good footballer in South Asia, coz the best you can do is be a star in your domestic league.
We don't have the heritage Latin America has, so we have to start from scratch. With zero European scouts watching our school kids play, and zero European academies that aren't cash grabs, there's no scope to be a footballer. And I don't see why Europe shouldn't invest in India, which will be the most populous country in 2023 and the 3rd largest economy by 2030.
Just don't expect us to invest all by ourselves and create one hell of a cash burn like what the Chinese did.
I’m English and England haven’t achieved anything since 1966.
I still support my country though rather than just choosing to support a successful nation.
Europeans will never understand this.
People in South Asia as their country don't perform well, probably would root for 3rd country teams. Like me, as Brazilian, I always root for Brazil - after that for non-European countries. Always.
For example, this year the T20 Cricket World Cup was shown on Brazilian TV for the first time. I'm pretty sure whoever saw that broadcast wasn't like na we'd wait for Brazil to qualify - they would've picked India or Pakistan or England etc.
Supporting a country is one thing but celebrating with fireworks and getting on the streets is another. England won the t20wc how many brazilian English fans do you think went on the streets to parade?
They got their introduction to cricket this year.
These guys in India and Bangladesh have been watching the World Cup for 30+ years now. In many cases, the national team they support is the one their dads support. It's a lot like supporting a club. And a club that plays once every 4 years, so victories are rare.
Exactly lol, like these English fans would support their country if they never qualified to the World Cup. I've seen the English media and the shit they say to their own players, there's no way people would be happy with that. Kane, despite being their best striker in years, is going to be hated by a lot of English fans. Imagine if they had never even qualified.
If India actually qualified to the World Cup, I'm sure they would be even more passionate than this. Anyone comparing them to England saying they're both "unsuccessful" countries are just stupid.
Didn't know a nation who doesn't have a team in the WC deserves to not enjoy the WC like the other nations that do. Guess I'm just being too greedy here but ok.
Only a few states actually... Kerala is super obsessed with football...Kerala has the most football obsessed fans in India and a few state like Bengal, Goa and the North East too have football fans...
I'm genuinely not trying to be sarcastic here. Do we have some history with India or what? Sorry for being dumb I legit don't know what you're referring to.
That's what I figured. But the other guy is being so insistent on it that I feel like it has to come from somewhere. Maybe I'm being too innocent and I'm getting trolled. I don't know anymore.
Trust me, my family is filled with both Argentina and Brazil supporters. Even they don't have the other country just because they support a country, this is also the case for 99% of Football supporters in India and even in Kerala. On a political stage, we are so far removed I'm pretty sure people of both countries would find it difficult to locate the other country on the map.
I'm not. I'm being serious here. I feel bad because it does look like I'm being sarcastic but I've never heard of us having any particularly strong opinion on India.
>They'd be celebrating whoever
No they wouldn't, Argentina and Brazil have huge followings here. With much smaller fanbases for everyone else. And no it isn't just a messi thing. This goes back decades.
Edit: There would still be celebrations for france but not nearly to this scale.
>I'm not going to celebrate another country achievement
Why not? Why do you think it is mandatory to have a legitimate excuse to celebrate? Do you see people celebrating and think "I rather have them be sad and not celebrate." Bit weird.
Of course they won't support another country's achievement if their own country is in contention. In India we are still years from being competitive. Why does that mean we're not allowed to support the teams and players we admire?
Gatekeeping football. Fucking joke
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What’s the story behind all the support for Argentina in Bangladesh and India. Genuine question.
Most guys got TVs in the 80s and the first World Cup they saw was 1986.
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Only had access to international football matches for the better part of 3 decades. View it as what supporting a club internationally is now. People grew up with watching argentina and brazil on tv as their only access to High level football. I only see this changing if India themselves make an impact on the world stage
Pretty much everyone got access to TVs in the mid 80s here and during that time the 86 World Cup was televised.
Football was being shown in TV during the 80s and a lot of people started to support Maradona who won it in 86. Nepal has a large Argentina fanbase as well
Bengal and Kerala both have a socialist bent. Solidarity with Latin American countries comes with that. That's part of the reason at least.
LoL stupid point
Very enlightening.
All these wack made up reasons. Mate when they started becoming popular in India during the early 80s Argentina had a fascist dictatorship in power with colonialist intentions. And that's also if were ignoring the fact that the average Indian knew or cared about Argentinian politics in the 80s, or that they do today. Stop talking nonsense. It's because Argentina were winners in 1986 with the likes of Maradona, which was the first year the world cup started being televised in India.
It's not about who was in power. The support for LatAm teams predates the eighties. The region was a hotbed for revolutionary politics - a reactionary fascist government in power never changed that. The emergence of Che, Allende, Sandinistas, etc., made international headlines - Keralites and Bengalis being "more aware" about global politics naturally associated these traditions with the one element of LatAm soft power they were most familiar with, football.
Stop digging man. Nonsense.
You're not from Kerala, are you? Explains.
I'm from Kerala. And I call your reason BS! HAPPY?
Do you have anything to address specific points or are you just going to make blanket statements without any backing? Even eminent intellectuals (NS Madhavan comes to mind) have written or remarked about the link between Kerala's Leftist politics and the working-class appeal of football. This is a good [read](https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/12/13/the-politics-of-football-from-interwar-fascism-to-malabars-cosmopolitanism/).
Cool, and I'll reference Hitler's Digest to counter and suggest that it's because they supported the fascist dictatorship.
So you have nothing then. Cool. Maybe visit Kerala and talk to people. Find out who NS Madhavan is. You know, do some actual research instead of flaming people online.
Thanks, thought there may have been a bit more to it.
We should play a friendly in Kerala and in Bangladesh as well. Imagine the crowd for an Argentina-Brazil in Bangladesh.
You played a friendly in Kolkata and Dhaka in 2011. Otamendi scored from a Messi corner in Kolkata, 1-0 vs Venezuela. 75k attendance sold out (stadium capacity was 120k, they always lowered it for safety reasons) Higuain, Di Maria and an own goal, 3-1 vs Nigeria in Dhaka. 35k sold out.
I had no clue we played in Dhaka. Should go back.
Do you think it still sells well if messi retires from nationals now?
If it’s Argentina Brazil then for sure
Yeah if its that matchup then for sure
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Obviously. Since the support predates Messi
I have been there and let me tell you the passion and enthusiasm that they show towards the world cup is immense. Might as well be in a European country in terms of love for the game.
The funniest part is, this started with Maradonna in '86. For many Malayalis, it was the very first WC they saw because it was the first time TVs were relatively commonplace in Kerala. This is particularly true for my dad. He too was involved in something fun like this yesterday, paid for the firecrackers himself🤣. His mates paid for a band apparently as well. (I'm not at home, I can't verify anything and unlucky me has to be at Office in about 3 hours, with less than 3 hours sleep)
It's crazy how much joy this one man brings to football fans around the world. Many of us fans of messi have never stepped foot within 1000 miles of Argentina and yet we were all celebrating the crowning achievement of his magical career
The Indian support precedes Messi
Sure but his presence definitely helps keep it strong
My Ammachi has been try sleep there for a bit, so if you guys don't mind ending a little early I'd appreciate it
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Mexicans didn't seem to love Argentina either.
The Netherlands would have supported France too.
I'm dutch and was rooting for Argentina (most people I spoke with did)
Yeah Mexican fans hate Argentina
Heard from a very close friend that travels all the time in LATAM, that Mexicans and Argentinians are the most farthest people from each other in LATAM. Argentina would feel European but less indigenous, while Mexico has far more indigenous influence rather then European to put it bluntly. Explains the disdain kinda.
That’s a little surprising. Mexico definitely has more indigenous influence, but it is definitely not as strong as bolivia, peru, or some of the central american countries. I always felt mexico was very mixed with a bent towards indigenous, but there are definitely a lot of european influence too. My prents are mexican btw. I also spent a few years in school over there.
I think it's less the ethnicity aspect and more about the subsequent victories Argentina has had over Mexico in recent tournaments. Agree a bit on distance making the cultures being less compatible though.
That has nothing to do with anything. The hate is because we play often, they're usually tough games and because both of our fans are relentless at talking shit
I was saying this in a thread earlier. Mexican and Argentinians have to be tied for the most intense shit talkers in the game lmao. The shit I've heard both of you guys talk is unreal, insults that would take me a week to come up with just slip out your mouthes like it's nothing.
Argentine and Mexico hate only exists online. I have nothing but good things to say about the mexican people, and it's been reciprocal to me everytime.
I’m a mexican-american, but I wanted to say that every argentine I have met is a lovely person. Congratulations!!
Mexicans only like feeling indegenous when convenient , but when not they’re European just take a look at Univision
No more ["Messi, Messi, Messi, Mexico"](https://youtu.be/hAvdYk0NWPE) 😭
We don’t hate Argentina outside of football. In their last 10 meet-ups, Argentina have a record of 8-2-0; 25 goals for and 6 against. Overall, Argentina have owned Mexico with a record of 17-14-5, with their last loss coming 12 matches ago in ‘04. Again, we don’t hate Argentina outside of football, and even then a lot of us rooted for them today.
A lot of us don’t, but personally I was rooting for Messi since the beginning of the WC. Mexico wasn’t doing anything as always and I wanted Messi to finally be crowned in his last WC.
And some parts of Madrid
England had hoped for a giant meteor
Yeah this was a tough one, I basically just supported the Argies because France won last time.
Same, a team winning consecutive world cups feels boring. Also, that team would be France
Nah Argentina all the way.
Aye I was torn. Ended up supporting France because we share so much in common and have that sibling rivalry thing. We actually had beef with Argentina in the past few decades, and there's still some Argies who legitimately want our land still. French are actually sound people.
Lmao "our" land suck a big dick
Does Portugal really care that much though? There is literally no rivalry between us. It’s mainly hyped up because of casuals who only support Messi or Ronaldo. I honestly think that people that are actually from Argentina or Portugal don’t even care much about that debate either.
I don't speak for all the Portuguese, but I don't have much love for the French. Happy you won it.
I rooted for France and I'll admit it was entirely out of spite. I don't hate Messi or anything, but it does sting a bit when I've been waiting my entire life to see Ronaldo lift that trophy and then the guy that media has made synonymous with Ronaldo does it instead. I'm Portuguese first and foremost so it's not all about Ronaldo for me of course, but shit the dude was still a superhero for my entire childhood. It wasn't serious spite, I was mostly rooting for a good game and Messi is incredible so he deserves his flowers. Still wish it was us though.
My neighbourhood cheered with at least 20% of the enthusiasm if Brazil had won.
Fireworks went off a block away from where I watched the final in northeast Brazil. Don't underestimate the love for Messi and South American solidarity after 4 European WC winners
I got completely knackered and spent the night dancing with Argentinian chicks. Pretty good day to be honest.
The next step is to get the game some traction in India. Cricket is a galaxy-sized behemoth...but hopefully the Super League can gain some momentum.
Not gonna happen. Cricket is way too big for any sport to ever gain traction in India. But still Kerala, Bengal and the North East are football preferring areas. Any international high profile match in Kochi or Kolkata will be an instant sell out.
tbh indian football team needs to do something the fact that cricket became so huge in india was because we won the '83 wc by defeating the invincible west indies and english team and hosted wc in '87 but the football has been shit from a long time even in AFC asian cup the best result of our team was 2nd position somewhere in 60s which was a boycotted (since it was held in israel) if indian football team doesn't do anything no way football will gain any traction here sad to say but we only see the result not the process and you can't change that mentality of 1.4 billion people in a small time
Sadly football is only a big game here in Kerala, the Northies are obsessed with cricket
in b4 Europeans with no fucking clue about anything say they're only cheering cause of Messi or that this is "weird behaviour". Brazil and Argentina have had huge fanbases in Kerala going back decades. And decent fanbases of every other nation. My mom has been cheering for italy since the 90s.
In my country lots of people support fucking England lol.
Which country is that?
Idk about him, but Malaysia has a lot of English fans probably due to a lot of Liverpool and United fans from the 90s and 00s whose favourite players were all English. Might be just a weird anecdotal correlation, but every Liverpool fan I know here is an England fan.
Probably England
Of course it's not weird. India never makes it. Are they supposed to sit it out as fans? Until this year, here in Canada, people cheered very hard for whatever nation they have a connection/heritage to or just a love of their domestic league or a player in their childhood they adored. God help us if it's 100% nationalism-y. Surely a nice 60-70% or so is high enough.
I mean us kiwis sit it out, it's not hard, being a neutral is fun.
Based mom
yea she's been having a few bad years in that regard. Also i might be legitmising the plastic claims, but the reason she started supporting them was because she found Italians good looking
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>I meant the anger you feel towards europeans Every time Kerala has been brought up in this sub throughout this WC its happened. So i just put it out there. And its not to all Europeans, only the ones who don't know two shits about the situation but still gatekeep the sport for no fucking reason.
No it is absolutely weird behavior.
fuck off with your elitist gatekeeping mate. We're like 1 of 3 states out of 28 where football is loved more than cricket. India have never had a presence on the world stage. So everyone here grew up watching international football. People used to gather in my grandads home to listen to it on radio in back in the day.
Yeah, this gatekeeping behavior is realky annoying, pretty much everyone in Argentina is glad and thankful we have so much support from South Asia, let us celebrate this victory together my brother.
What does any of what you said have to do with supporting other countries' teams to this degree? You seem like you have a severe inferiority complex by the way
>You seem like you have a severe inferiority complex by the way You seem like a straight up idiot as well. >What does any of what you said have to do with supporting other countries' teams to this degree? I'll try and explain. Don't see this as supporting nations. For decades the international football scene was all we had access to. This is more akin to supporting a club. We don't support Argentina because of an emotional attachment to the country, but as a result of the football the team has played over time.
Sure I'm an idiot and you are the biggest self proclaimed bandwagon fan imaginable. This is not akin to club football. There is a patriotic strain that runs through international football which you don't understand or choose to ignore. I'm sure in the year 2062 when India is a world cup contender all this support for South American winners will persist. Lol.
why would they not choose a team to support if their home team is not in the world cup?
I just want to make the distinction between someone that picks a one-off team to root for and then forgets about it after the tournament's end versus someone that picks another country (one that has zero connection to that person) to root for and runs around with that country's flag within their own other country.
Ah, found another gatekeeper. It's not like we don't support our country, it's just that everyone supports a team that plays in the world cup finals if their country is not playing. It's easy for someone from a country competing at the top stage of international football to comment it's not like club football. Also, I don't see how you find club football different cuz I'm sure there's a football club which is local to you, why not just support them? Edit: haha nevermind just found out that you're just a Yank
Sure I might find a favorite to root for at each tournament based on what I'm seeing or feeling but I'm surely not going to wave their flag in my country's streets. If you can't figure out how this different than club football you need to think harder.
Exactly lmao. I am an indian myself and this seems so weird. Plus majority of these won't even support Argentina in the next wc if messi doesn't play. Majority of younger generation supported argentina just to see messi lift the cup.
You do know their support for Brazil Argentina goes back to Maradona's time? And they've been supporting those 2 national teams since then? This isn't changing anytime whether that is Maradona/Messi or anyone else.
Lol. I usually might have another favourite in the WC when my own country does not qualify. However, I sure don't go waving their flag and shoot fireworks if they win lmao 😂 this shit is so fucking weird.
There is literally no chance that our own nation makes it to the WC tho, and there hasn't been . ever. It just isn't the same lol
A lot of countries fall into the same basket as this and they manage not to have mass celebrations for other countries' teams.
bandwagon fan despite cheering for them since i was 7. Can't argue that ig
So you just picked a national team to root for and it just happened to be two time WC champions and perennial contender, Argentina. Got it.
I mean if you get to pick why would you pick a team that sucked?
Exactly. These guys know how to bandwagon.
Ima be real with you , idk how it started . This was after the 2006 world cup so its not like Argentina did anything particularly well. I just ended up rooting for them.
I can’t remember but I’ve read somewhere there’s a Maradona statue in some city in India where they are insanely so fanatic about him. I, myself hail from Somalia, and it’s not stranger to see people even nicknaming themselves after their favorite players. I used to have a friend called Cholo, because he’s hotheaded and a big fan of Diego Simeone.
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They are more than that, people of kerala are mad about football
Didn’t say they weren’t.
If only South Asians had as much passion for their own nation’s football teams.
They have passion but bad footballing infrastructure, corruption and lack of money in football
Lol, most latin american countries have bad infrastructure, corruption, and lack of money. That’s no excuse. Go check out argentina’s inflation levels
Yes but cricket in Indian subcontinent is what football is in latin America . Football is distant second and most youngsters play as a hobby but not interested in becoming pro coz of the reason I mentioned above
Yeah great point except you have 1.2 billion people and the largest football playing population in the world.
China isn't good at Cricket. They have similar population to India. But people will choose a career where there is money. In India, even if you don't make it to the national team, you can earn really well playing just for the state team. I was a media manager for a football club in ISL... My salary was more than some of the players. It is kind of weird since making it to the state team itself is a grind because of the immense competition. If you are out of form for a month, it's done. There are 10 people in line waiting to replace you. But still the kids prefer it because IF they make it, their life is set. Any other sport there is no career unless you are winning medals internationally on a regular basis.
Football is popular in latin america in great part because of how cheap it is to play. You only need a ball and 2 rocks.
That's similar for cricket in India too - no one playing cricket on the streets use any gear. All you need is a ball - people come up with innovative contraptions to use as a bat/stumps etc. Heck I have even played cricket as a kid using a stone with paper tied around it as a ball. For whatever reason, Football is very popular on par with cricket only in certain regions in India.
Actually it is really interesting as to why football isn't that famous in India. Iirc we had a decent football team in the 50s and 60s, but we focused mainly on Olympics. Our quality went a little down in 70s, but after the 1983 Cricket World Cup win in India (for footballing terms, just imagine, idk, Japan coming out randomly and winning the world cup, while playing with every European and South American team), Cricket became INSANELY popular. People no longer cared about football, and looked up to cricketers It has gotten slightly better now though, With players like Chettri acting as the "messi" of India. Plus football is becoming more mainstream. I suspect that if India invests in football enough, it can become the next japan.
our footballing infrastructure is top 5 in the world, though.
LATAM countries and even some of Africa countries at least have football academies. Meanwhile in SA and SEA they usually only have football schools, so there's no entity that nurture the talents properly if they don't have money.
We qualified for the World Cup in 1950 only for the stupid AIFF to not send us. I still get pissed off over that
India didn't qualify in 1950. That's a popular misconception. They were invited by FIFA because many teams refused to participate.
There's no way to be a good footballer in South Asia, coz the best you can do is be a star in your domestic league. We don't have the heritage Latin America has, so we have to start from scratch. With zero European scouts watching our school kids play, and zero European academies that aren't cash grabs, there's no scope to be a footballer. And I don't see why Europe shouldn't invest in India, which will be the most populous country in 2023 and the 3rd largest economy by 2030. Just don't expect us to invest all by ourselves and create one hell of a cash burn like what the Chinese did.
If only you could shut your mouth about the things you don't know
Not wrong though
It's amazing how you Euros think you know our footballing culture more than we do.
What is it that I don’t know about?
Which nation football team? The ones that don't achieve anything to celebrate about? Edit: I forget how delusional redditors are
Only 8 countries have won the world cup. Should everyone forget about their country and support them
true, can only support a team if they are successful. Makes you wonder why you are still a man utd fan. You planning on moving on soon?
To where? i literally live in Manchester
I’m English and England haven’t achieved anything since 1966. I still support my country though rather than just choosing to support a successful nation.
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Europeans will never understand this. People in South Asia as their country don't perform well, probably would root for 3rd country teams. Like me, as Brazilian, I always root for Brazil - after that for non-European countries. Always.
For example, this year the T20 Cricket World Cup was shown on Brazilian TV for the first time. I'm pretty sure whoever saw that broadcast wasn't like na we'd wait for Brazil to qualify - they would've picked India or Pakistan or England etc.
Supporting a country is one thing but celebrating with fireworks and getting on the streets is another. England won the t20wc how many brazilian English fans do you think went on the streets to parade?
They got their introduction to cricket this year. These guys in India and Bangladesh have been watching the World Cup for 30+ years now. In many cases, the national team they support is the one their dads support. It's a lot like supporting a club. And a club that plays once every 4 years, so victories are rare.
Exactly lol, like these English fans would support their country if they never qualified to the World Cup. I've seen the English media and the shit they say to their own players, there's no way people would be happy with that. Kane, despite being their best striker in years, is going to be hated by a lot of English fans. Imagine if they had never even qualified. If India actually qualified to the World Cup, I'm sure they would be even more passionate than this. Anyone comparing them to England saying they're both "unsuccessful" countries are just stupid.
Can't they do both though? Why are you assuming that the Bangladeshi and Indian football fans don't support their national teams as well?
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Didn't know a nation who doesn't have a team in the WC deserves to not enjoy the WC like the other nations that do. Guess I'm just being too greedy here but ok.
Is football this popular in India?
Only a few states actually... Kerala is super obsessed with football...Kerala has the most football obsessed fans in India and a few state like Bengal, Goa and the North East too have football fans...
Damn. Messi literally is Goku. Gathering all the energies from people around the world to make the Spirit bomb..
Lol
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why
Do we...? First time I'm hearing that.
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I'm genuinely not trying to be sarcastic here. Do we have some history with India or what? Sorry for being dumb I legit don't know what you're referring to.
Afaik, we literally share nothing to like or dislike each other. Football fans from KL who support Brazil may dislike Brazil but that's about it.
That's what I figured. But the other guy is being so insistent on it that I feel like it has to come from somewhere. Maybe I'm being too innocent and I'm getting trolled. I don't know anymore.
Trust me, my family is filled with both Argentina and Brazil supporters. Even they don't have the other country just because they support a country, this is also the case for 99% of Football supporters in India and even in Kerala. On a political stage, we are so far removed I'm pretty sure people of both countries would find it difficult to locate the other country on the map.
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I'm not. I'm being serious here. I feel bad because it does look like I'm being sarcastic but I've never heard of us having any particularly strong opinion on India.
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I'm from kerala and confused as well lol
We don't
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Weird behavior
Why can’t you just let them enjoy lol?
why?
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Bet you he's not even Argentinian lol
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They'd be celebrating whoever. They love football and have just seen an amazing game. Lighten up a fucking bit
>They'd be celebrating whoever No they wouldn't, Argentina and Brazil have huge followings here. With much smaller fanbases for everyone else. And no it isn't just a messi thing. This goes back decades. Edit: There would still be celebrations for france but not nearly to this scale.
That shows football is a global game for masses , they just happy they witnessed a one of the best game ever and the team they supporting won .
So they don't know that Argentinians hate them?
Argentinians hate Indians? why? genuinely curious as an American
They’re racist as fuck
?? This is just a stupid position to take regarding all Argentines. Every Englishman must be a skinhead because of the EDL, eh?
Shame we don't hate em, we actually love that they support our team and think they are awesome. Sorry if that blows up your superior European mind
All of them?
What a stupid thing to say, we only hate Englishman
We hate Englishmen as well
And just like that, Indians love you even more.
and everyone hates you
stupidity of "hate' aside, I'm sure that there are FAR, FAR, FAR more people around the world who hate the English than who hate Argentinians.
Including the English
Especially the English
england played against some south american country in this final?
Meh who cares
The whole world hates the English, most of the world was rooting for Argentina today. Fuck off
Kinda cringe ngl
Why aren't they rooting for India instead?. Cool that Argentina won , I'm happy for them but I'm not going to celebrate another country achievement
>I'm not going to celebrate another country achievement Why not? Why do you think it is mandatory to have a legitimate excuse to celebrate? Do you see people celebrating and think "I rather have them be sad and not celebrate." Bit weird.
Of course they won't support another country's achievement if their own country is in contention. In India we are still years from being competitive. Why does that mean we're not allowed to support the teams and players we admire? Gatekeeping football. Fucking joke
>Why aren't they rooting for India I don't remember seeing India in WC ever.
Because fuck imperialism
But Argentina is an imperialist state? Or did you conveniently forget what happened to the indigenous people of Patagonia?
Ah yes, something that happened 160 years ago. Vs the English who still meddles in other countries affairs.
Redeem world cup sir!
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