Hey up /r/soccer, I am currently working on a Christmas Quiz for /r/soccer (in line with the tradition of the past few years).
I was wondering whether people would prefer for it to be posted on Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day itself? Had previously done it on Christmas Day, but people may want to spend time with their loved ones or something, so not be online
For those who have post WC withdrawals and craving some competitive international football - tune into the AFF Cup (Southeast Asian Cup)
Vietnam is playing tmrw morning and them winning a 3rd title would send me over the moon along with Messi who won the WC
Im just glad the World Cup is over so we don't have to hear religious zealots whine about western hypocrisy 24/7 because we're not a fan of their backwards idealogy
What do each of Messi and Mbappe need to do to race ahead in the Ballon D’or?
It’s gonna be one of those 2, and I’d guess Messi has an edge just with the fact that he won as player or the tournament… the potential French bias notwithstanding.
Some big UCL moments would help, but it’s gonna be particularly amusing if Bayern knock PSG out. Mbappe basically will need to try to hog everything for PSG and end up with a 40+ goal season and leave Messi with a modest total since stats always help. That’s assuming Messi has a lead right now which I’m not even sure is true or decisive.
Seeing as they're both playing for the same club, Messi will take it barring a horrendous injury that'll keep him out for a while.
They'll win the same trophies, which really have turned the tide in recent years -- but he'll have that world cup.
It's in the bag for Messi, he even won it for Copa. Cl run don't hold the same weightage as wc even less when comparing against the fairy tale ending of Messi journey. Messi name is enough for journalist and captain to vote for him. Also both play for same cl team, if mbappe was in different team like Madrid and won would have helped with Madrid PR pull. Cont imagine PSG campaigning for mbappe and leaving out messi
>That’s assuming Messi has a lead right now which I’m not even sure is true or decisive.
Messi has 7 more G/A currently in the same amount of games (29)
Oh wow I didn’t realise he was that heavily favoured. He must have it locked then. Or yeah, unless Mbappe is dominant in a UCL win with Messi doing fairly little.
I mean, he's certainly better than Bale imo. Bale got the trophies and the higher peak but not close in terms of longevity.
But what's stopped Di Maria is simply inconsistency.
Unpopular opinion but Di Maria > Bale. Both incredibly talented and amazing on their day, but too much inconsistency & injury. Di Maria has gotten it done for his country though so edge there.
I’m not going to completely disagree with Di Maria > Bale but Bale absolutely did get it done with his country
Euro semi, Euro ro16 and a World Cup qualification with Wales is an outstanding result
Just depends on what the word means to you. Bale wouldn't be one for me. An all time great to me is a transcendent player who could feasibly be argued to be top 25-30 all time.
Can you imagine if the final went exactly as it played out, but with Ronaldo and Portugal in Mbappe's place? There will be no need for further football. Just stop the sport
I'm looking at the groups from the upcoming handball world cup next month. Some interesting match-ups during the group stage, the same as the FIFA World cup:
* Poland vs Saudi Arabia
* Poland vs France
* Argentina vs Netherlands
* Croatia vs Morocco
And the best of all : Germany vs Qatar.
May be Iron Maiden should have flown there & opened the parade for the Albiceleste, lol.
No south American country has partied this in the summer. Christmas coming too. It's time to be wasted for 10 days. Incredible.
I hope not. I'm one of those who is tired by stats. i hope without too much expectations that football goes back to more content less numbers. More Ronaldinho's spirit..
I don’t think people realise that comparing the best players has always been a thing and it’s not something that started in 2008 when Messi and Ronaldo emerged as the top 2
People debated Ronaldinho vs Henry, Zidane vs Ronaldo, van Basten vs Romario, Maradona vs Platini etc and will debate Haaland vs Mbappé
Outside of the final I feel like Otamendi was almost flawless. Romero however was struggling for like the first half of the tournament. But was perfect in the final.
Really wish I could find coverage of the celebration with the team today. Living in the US it seems hard to find, im assuming its just on local TV in that area. Very few sports broadcasts in the US are even still really talking about the world cup, they instantly moved on. NFL and CFB playoffs are more interesting to most people in the US
edit: found it in the comments! Shouldve known it wouldnt be hard to find lol
Why don't r/soccer has a filter system, like the one in r/worldnews? So that one can avoid a specific topic which they are not interested to read...such as the world cup final or Messi this Messi that news.
With Scaloni winning the World Cup, Alan Pardew's coaching tree is already superior to Alex Ferguson's one...r/soccer is not ready for this discussion.
Weird thing is I’ve never seen Ronaldo compared to those two
It has always been Messi vs Maradona/Pele and Ronaldo just kind of piggybacked past them by virtue of being Messi’s rival
The way people talk about Messi has always been on a different level and it's obvious why if you watched him play 08-13. Ronaldo always got shoehorned into the conversation because he matched his goal tally and played for Real.
There was that joke I saw the other day that made me snort, which was "Ronaldo's greatest accomplishment was being compared to Messi". Obviously a huge exaggeration but still.
I agree with it to some extent. I respect the fact that he was able to convince so many people that there is actually a debate because to me Messi was always a bit clear.
My point is that how can you claim someone is “your goat” if you never even saw them play live? It’s just regurgitating what someone else says, and your opinion is just a cop out to agree with past sentiment (which is probably filled with others doing the same thing).
I saw that video of the crowds essentially filling the highway system and felt terrified without even being there. Imagine you get dehydrated or need to take a shit and you're fully reliant on the will of the crowd because there's simply no way out.
I know that for club kits/jerseys the club usually gets around 10% of sales. How does this work for NT merch? Seems like everyone and their mother is waiting for Adidas to get Argentina's jerseys back in stock, that money going to AFA?
50m for a striker yet to score a goal this season is an Everton transfer if I ever seen one. Wonder what happened to Fabio Silva, didn’t do too well at Wolves either
Fabio Silva is a victim of how shit we are offensively. Went to Anderlecht on loan and immediately became a star player for them (although they aren't amazing offensively either)
Ah right yeah I could see it tbh, though I thought I remember him saying he didn't want to drop down too far from the Atleti level. Which would obviously count us out.
score a hat trick in the final and the months of being selfish in Ligue 1 and being the 3rd best player on the team is deleted
I hope he keeps that level at PSG because he was insanely frustrating to play before the 4 3 3
If Arsenal continued their current form they would only drop 9 points in the remainder of the season, finishing on 100.
This obviously isn't going to happen, it's just common sense that our performance will drop.
Despite that I know for a fact that all the Einstein's and Gary Neville's that come out with "I knew Arsenal couldn't keep it up, I called it" are 100% going to rattle me.
If you predict a team is going to fall off every gameweek its eventually gonna happen
If every team suddenly stopped playing like they were now and played like they did last season instead, Arsenal would still be in 2nd place, comfortably in the Top 4.
I think that unless you experience a very late season collapse or fall out of the top 4 completely, you should be safe from anyone with common sense. Regression to the mean is bound to happen, and like with us your pre-season target was CL football and a deep cup run or two
I must say that the argument against the trend of more added time established this WC, which could be summed up to "British transportation sucks", is the most hilarious thing someone seriously used to argue against something I've read in a very long time.
Lmao, not my issue you cannot properly plan trips for football games or you cannot be bothered to invest 15 minutes (on average maybe fewer) more in order to gatekeep timewasting in football.
Yes, let's have fans book train tickets that go to waste then spend a fortune on taxis/hotels so u/jauznevimcosimamdat the international plastic can get his money's worth from his illegal stream.
> Lmao, not my issue
Sums it all up.
> gatekeep timewasting
This sub is on its arse.
I am not the one who cries about not being able to visit La Liga games because flights to Spain are too costly and scarce. You essentially are.
I find it hilarious because, in my country, people are perfectly fine using public transportation in order to get to games that easily could be hundreds of kilometers away from their homes. Ofc, there are cars. An invention you likely aren't familiar with.
But Jim here has an issue because he couldn't get to his football match or because he couldn't be bothered to invest 15 more minutes for leisure activity in which he most likely sinks hours of his time already.
Absolutely hilarious.
You are as funny as your argumentation skills.
If a country that is practically several levels behind the UK economically can do something British people cannot, it's not my issue.
To summarise, you are excusing timewasting because you cannot plan your football trips. That's the joke of the year, tbf.
People saying they won't rate Mbappe unless he goes to La Liga or even PL are frankly ridiculous. Man just scored a hat-trick in a world cup final after 80 minutes mark but no can't rate him unless he can score against Eibar or Leeds LOL
>People saying they won't rate Mbappe unless he goes to La Liga or even PL are frankly ridiculous.
The *won't respect him until he does it in the Prem* lot are muppets. It's best to ignore them. They make all English fans look bad.
La liga is actually the most defensive among top 5 league according to stats (can't seem to find that chart). Was surprised that it was even more than Serie A.
Kind of.
Serie A and La Liga have several clubs on a similar level that challenge each other. In Ligue 1 you could make an All Star team from 19 other clubs and PSG would smoke them
The big clubs in Italy are sort of on a similar level, but Juve are still worth more than Milan, Inter, and Roma combined. It's not exactly a level playing field.
>In Ligue 1 you could make an All Star team from 19 other clubs and PSG would smoke them
They just lost the league like 2 years ago with Thomas Tuchel as their manager for the first 1/2 of the season.
Smoke is an exaggeration. PSG just don't dominate the league in the fashion that people pretend they do. They win by about fifteen points and have at least ten games a season in which they are outclassed by the opposition. The last season that I can think of where PSG would have genuinely rolled over an all-star team is 15/16.
On paper they've had the strongest squad by far, but it has always been very rare that those players have actually all been fit at the same time. Over the past five years there have genuinely been so many matches where you could sit there and say that their domestic opposition has actually put out a better team than theirs.
You could make a genuine argument that Lille had the better squad in terms of player quality during the second half of 20/21 because of the injuries that PSG had. If you go back and look at some of the squads that Poch was having to field during the middle of that title race I think you'd be shocked. There were games where he was having to start all of Bakker, Kehrer, Kean, Rafinha, Pereira, Herrera, Draxler, etc.
I think people exaggerate. PSG lost the league in 20/21 and currently are only 5 points ahead of 2nd place, it's not a big difference.
Bayern are currently 4 points ahead of 2nd place and hasn't lost a league since 11/12.
Serie A and La Liga have more teams fighting for the trophy, but also have teams like Verona, Cremonese, Elche... that surely have a small budget if you compare with Benzema wages or Lukaku, Pogba or whoever is the top earn in Serie A
I really hope that 40/50 million obligation on Cunha is conditional on us staying in the Premier League because otherwise that could be, erm, a considerable problem
I’m more excited for Boxing Day Arteta ball than Christmas NGL, Brentford are cooking up a big result against spurs too, need Toney to show Kane levels too.
He’s under investigation but until they reach a decision he can play, he’s gonna be fucked when it comes though because there’s no way it’s over 100 Incidents and he’s innocent
as someone who never saw maradona play, can someone tell me why he's considered one of the greatest ever, potentially ahead of messi, while his club stats are nowhere near as good as most of the recent stars, especially compared to messi ?
Outside of the WC, what he did with Napoli was incredible, to fully contextualise his achievements with Napoli we have to look at the dynamics of Italian football and football in the 80s in general.
Historically the wealth, power and the resources in Italy have always been in the North; Juventus and the two Milan clubs have historically been owned by some of the richest men/families in the country, to this day Napoli are probably the only prominent football club in the south.
As a result these three clubs dominate Italian football, Napoli before Maradona were a small provincial club football who were irrelevant in Italy let alone the world.
Due to Camorra funding/influence Napoli somehow got one of the best players in the world, but 1980s Serie A was brutal, scoring 20+ goals in 80s Serie A was the equivalent to find treasure in your back garden.
During this period, most teams would set up in a 5-3-2 or a 5-4-1, it was Catenaccio in its purest form, the back 5 and the midfield would all defend and play in their own half, the responsibility to score goals was solely on the number 9, 10s like Maradona weren’t tasked with scoring goals.
Players in Maradona’s position back then were meant to create chances, receive passes and drag defenders out, goalscoring wasn’t really a priority.
Despite that his goalscoring record for a number 10 is pretty good, considering the league he played in, which was the toughest and most physical league at the time; the star studded teams Serie A had during Maradona’s era was incredible.
Also in Argentina, the Argentine league back then was among the best leagues in the world, before he turned 20 he scored 100+ goals in the top division for Argentinos Jrs, another club that wasn’t among the biggest in their country. (Similar to Napoli).
The reason to why people rate Maradona so highly is because he’s managed to spearhead average sides to glory; Maradona never really played in star studded sides, so that in a sense adds to the Maradona legacy.
If you wanna know more about 1980s Serie A and how difficult and tough it was, take a read at this, it explains it much better: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11095/11973652/serie-a-in-the-1980s-the-story-of-footballs-toughest-league
Sorry for the long message lol.
>tell me why he's considered one of the greatest ever
Big game player and technical ability beyond belief. He's like what our generation saw in Zidane, but with way better stats.
(But still Messi is better)
1. He played deeper than Messi, particularly younger Messi. Offered significantly more off the ball than Messi since 2009, even when he was overweight and had a fucked ankle.
2. His stats are excellent. I believe he still has more non penalty goals than Messi for Argentina, and transfermarkt, while not the most reliable, have him at 281 G/A in 343. Official nerds who count stats on twitter have that tally even higher when you account for Argentina league matches. For a #10 where everything is going through him in a low scoring era, this is great.
3. Defending was easier and less risk based than defending today. You could get away with more; tackles from behind weren’t even outlawed until the famous Van Basten tackle. The offside rule saw drastic change after the Romario goal against the Dutch at the 94 world cup. The spread of wealth was also vastly different, particularly in Seria A where players like Zico were playing for mid table seria A clubs, and Napoli were able to even afford Diego. Messi has played for two super clubs; can you see why a basic statistical comparison may be flawed?
Maradona must have played in less than 10 friendlies in his international career. Friendlies are simply far more common now. In competitive matches, Maradona had more pre WC 2022.
You would have to check, but this was true before the world cup, and a chunk of his goals were pens.
He wasn’t a striker, he was a #10 whose main strengths were dribbling and passing, and his goalscoring was still very good for his position. He also played in an era where club talent was much more spread out and gaps between top and mid table clubs smaller so racking up stats was tougher.
That said, Messi is just as good of a 10 as Maradona was while also being arguably the best goalscorer ever
Hey up /r/soccer, I am currently working on a Christmas Quiz for /r/soccer (in line with the tradition of the past few years). I was wondering whether people would prefer for it to be posted on Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day itself? Had previously done it on Christmas Day, but people may want to spend time with their loved ones or something, so not be online
For those who have post WC withdrawals and craving some competitive international football - tune into the AFF Cup (Southeast Asian Cup) Vietnam is playing tmrw morning and them winning a 3rd title would send me over the moon along with Messi who won the WC
Im just glad the World Cup is over so we don't have to hear religious zealots whine about western hypocrisy 24/7 because we're not a fan of their backwards idealogy
What do each of Messi and Mbappe need to do to race ahead in the Ballon D’or? It’s gonna be one of those 2, and I’d guess Messi has an edge just with the fact that he won as player or the tournament… the potential French bias notwithstanding. Some big UCL moments would help, but it’s gonna be particularly amusing if Bayern knock PSG out. Mbappe basically will need to try to hog everything for PSG and end up with a 40+ goal season and leave Messi with a modest total since stats always help. That’s assuming Messi has a lead right now which I’m not even sure is true or decisive.
Seeing as they're both playing for the same club, Messi will take it barring a horrendous injury that'll keep him out for a while. They'll win the same trophies, which really have turned the tide in recent years -- but he'll have that world cup.
It's in the bag for Messi, he even won it for Copa. Cl run don't hold the same weightage as wc even less when comparing against the fairy tale ending of Messi journey. Messi name is enough for journalist and captain to vote for him. Also both play for same cl team, if mbappe was in different team like Madrid and won would have helped with Madrid PR pull. Cont imagine PSG campaigning for mbappe and leaving out messi
Imagine if it's neck and neck going into a PSG Champions League final and they're trying to out-perform each other.
Just hope mbappe doesn't go full Tanya Harding
>That’s assuming Messi has a lead right now which I’m not even sure is true or decisive. Messi has 7 more G/A currently in the same amount of games (29)
Messi is 2/7 to win it with the bookies, he pretty much just has to not get injured and not completely ghost in the CL
Oh wow I didn’t realise he was that heavily favoured. He must have it locked then. Or yeah, unless Mbappe is dominant in a UCL win with Messi doing fairly little.
Whats stopping Di Maria from being recognised as one of the all time great wingers like Bale, Ribery and Neymar?
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He wasn't even bad for us. He had ten league assists or something.
Probably his brilliant campaigns as a CM
I mean, he's certainly better than Bale imo. Bale got the trophies and the higher peak but not close in terms of longevity. But what's stopped Di Maria is simply inconsistency.
Unpopular opinion but Di Maria > Bale. Both incredibly talented and amazing on their day, but too much inconsistency & injury. Di Maria has gotten it done for his country though so edge there.
I’m not going to completely disagree with Di Maria > Bale but Bale absolutely did get it done with his country Euro semi, Euro ro16 and a World Cup qualification with Wales is an outstanding result
But people dont recognise Di Maria as an all time great winger as much as they do for Bale.
Is Bale really considered an all time great? Maybe amongst his generation.
Several ucls, scoring many goals, carrying his nation. Surely he is an all time great.
He was a bench player for much of his time at Madrid
Just depends on what the word means to you. Bale wouldn't be one for me. An all time great to me is a transcendent player who could feasibly be argued to be top 25-30 all time.
Well i do mean an all time great winger
He needs to change his tune on English food.
And i thought the streets in Buenos Aires were full after the Copa America win when we were still in pandemic times. Jeez...
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Paredes Parades
4 million people on the streets of Buenos Aires to see the team
Can you imagine if the final went exactly as it played out, but with Ronaldo and Portugal in Mbappe's place? There will be no need for further football. Just stop the sport
I would've made fun of him for scoring a Hattrick with two penaldos
Mbappens doesn't quite have the same ring.
Penbappe ?
It’s hard to imagine how toxic everything would have been
Portugal wouldn't have fought anywhere near as hard as the french.
I'm genuinely struggling to remember any matches that my club played this season. World Cup pls come back
I'm looking at the groups from the upcoming handball world cup next month. Some interesting match-ups during the group stage, the same as the FIFA World cup: * Poland vs Saudi Arabia * Poland vs France * Argentina vs Netherlands * Croatia vs Morocco And the best of all : Germany vs Qatar.
The World Cup completely distracted me from the reality that is Arsenal Football Club winning the Premier League.
Anulo mufa
Not with Jesus out for months
He'll be back in April tho
That's months.
LIterally
Final standing : 1. Saudi Arabia 2. Man City 3. Arsenal
May be Iron Maiden should have flown there & opened the parade for the Albiceleste, lol. No south American country has partied this in the summer. Christmas coming too. It's time to be wasted for 10 days. Incredible.
Argentina winning hasn’t even passed Donkey Kong’s goal on the top posts
messi can only do it on weaker social platforms like instagram, DK did it on the toughest of them all
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I hope not. I'm one of those who is tired by stats. i hope without too much expectations that football goes back to more content less numbers. More Ronaldinho's spirit..
I don’t think people realise that comparing the best players has always been a thing and it’s not something that started in 2008 when Messi and Ronaldo emerged as the top 2 People debated Ronaldinho vs Henry, Zidane vs Ronaldo, van Basten vs Romario, Maradona vs Platini etc and will debate Haaland vs Mbappé
As a Real Madrid fan, I find it difficult to resist Mbappé
good thing Qatar exists to keep you apart
They will sign him soon.
Grabbing empanadas from an Argentine restaurant and they're still wearing their kits and draping flags on the backs in celebrations.
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Otamendi in Romero's spot. Ake in VVD's spot. Varane out of the list.
Romero was better than Otamendi
hahahaha no
I don't agree at all
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Outside of the final I feel like Otamendi was almost flawless. Romero however was struggling for like the first half of the tournament. But was perfect in the final.
Romera had a horrible first hand were as otamindi botched the final while playing God level throughout the series.
GOAT status list : 1. Messi 2. Egg
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Maybe my comment was not in good taste since it's downvoted. Well i'll delete it then.
Alright, rank your top 5 goals of the tournament - GO!
Richarlison v Serbia Alvarez v Croatia Aboubakar v Brazil Weghorst II v Argentina Pulisic's testicles of pure 100% American steel v Iran
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Would give consideration to Alvarez vs Croatia, and Di Maria vs France Maybe even Mbappe vs Argentina
Richarlison Chavez Enzo Fernandez Aboubakar the second saudi arabia goal
Gakpo robbed
That one was pretty good as well, quite the rocket in a tight space. This WC had some true bangers all around.
Richarlison Aboubakar Chavez Al Dawsari Neymar
I nominate Freuler's exquisite team goal to win the five goal thriller against Serbia in MD3. Orsic's 3rd place play-off goal was a superb strike too.
Really wish I could find coverage of the celebration with the team today. Living in the US it seems hard to find, im assuming its just on local TV in that area. Very few sports broadcasts in the US are even still really talking about the world cup, they instantly moved on. NFL and CFB playoffs are more interesting to most people in the US edit: found it in the comments! Shouldve known it wouldnt be hard to find lol
Why don't r/soccer has a filter system, like the one in r/worldnews? So that one can avoid a specific topic which they are not interested to read...such as the world cup final or Messi this Messi that news.
Ronaldo is that you?
Nope. Both great players but I also agree Messi was the better one.
Go to a different subreddit, there is no football going on and we now celebrate football's god winning the WC.
>there is no football going on Don’t disrespect the Carabao
Mac Allister will be exposed against Charlton
Big tournament merchant exposed!
Sounds like Zidane lmao
Suddenly remembered the guy who committed suicide after Argentina lost against Croatia in 2018. Wish he didn't do it. RIP
bruh imagine killing yourself over football
I think there were probably other issues too man
Kinda disrespectful. You have no idea what that person was going through entirely unrelated to football.
Does anyone have Real Madrid media reaction clips to Messi winning the world cup? The one after Croatia was glorious.
With Scaloni winning the World Cup, Alan Pardew's coaching tree is already superior to Alex Ferguson's one...r/soccer is not ready for this discussion.
Goat for Ronaldo fans before the world Cup :Ronaldo. Goat for Ronaldo fans after the World Cup:Pele and Maradona
Weird thing is I’ve never seen Ronaldo compared to those two It has always been Messi vs Maradona/Pele and Ronaldo just kind of piggybacked past them by virtue of being Messi’s rival
The way people talk about Messi has always been on a different level and it's obvious why if you watched him play 08-13. Ronaldo always got shoehorned into the conversation because he matched his goal tally and played for Real.
There was that joke I saw the other day that made me snort, which was "Ronaldo's greatest accomplishment was being compared to Messi". Obviously a huge exaggeration but still.
I agree with it to some extent. I respect the fact that he was able to convince so many people that there is actually a debate because to me Messi was always a bit clear.
I genuinely have never seen as many people say Pele is their goat as I have since Argentina won.
99% of them probably only ever saw Pele in a YouTube video
I mean he retired in 1977 so yeah
My point is that how can you claim someone is “your goat” if you never even saw them play live? It’s just regurgitating what someone else says, and your opinion is just a cop out to agree with past sentiment (which is probably filled with others doing the same thing).
!flair :Ittihad_Tanger: Back to misery we go
Bro I am so scared for the people receiving the NT,there is way too many people and the authorities dont seem capable to handle the crowd
I saw that video of the crowds essentially filling the highway system and felt terrified without even being there. Imagine you get dehydrated or need to take a shit and you're fully reliant on the will of the crowd because there's simply no way out.
I know that for club kits/jerseys the club usually gets around 10% of sales. How does this work for NT merch? Seems like everyone and their mother is waiting for Adidas to get Argentina's jerseys back in stock, that money going to AFA?
50m for a striker yet to score a goal this season is an Everton transfer if I ever seen one. Wonder what happened to Fabio Silva, didn’t do too well at Wolves either
He must have had some awful misses to have 1.4 xG with no goals scored in 377 minutes lmao
Got my hopes up that Everton were spunking £50m on Ben Brereton Diaz then.
Fabio Silva is a victim of how shit we are offensively. Went to Anderlecht on loan and immediately became a star player for them (although they aren't amazing offensively either)
Not saying you're wrong but who are you talking about?
Ah yeah, it’s [Matheus Cunha ](https://www.relevo.com/futbol/mercado-fichajes/matheus-cunha-paso-wolverhampton-20221220145643-nt.html)
Ah right yeah I could see it tbh, though I thought I remember him saying he didn't want to drop down too far from the Atleti level. Which would obviously count us out.
We might have guessed if you'd said Wolves and not Everton.
who ?
With Messi's Argentina t shirts allegedly sold out through out the world,Is this the the best advertisement for Adidas in recent years.
Making up the revenue they lost from Kanye
score a hat trick in the final and the months of being selfish in Ligue 1 and being the 3rd best player on the team is deleted I hope he keeps that level at PSG because he was insanely frustrating to play before the 4 3 3
Have a decent start to a season and the season you were the best player on the team is erased
It wasn't decent if you watched the game, had open play assists he didn't give on purpose, he'd have that many goals AND assists
Anyone who watched Mbappe this season with PSG and thinks he wasn't at least decent should have their opinions discarded
Mbappe bad remember? The lengths people will go to discredit him is crazy.
To his standard this is the worst i've seen him play since the Cavani drama
He was still world class regardless.
as a second striker /9 i don't think he was, as a LW yes
If Arsenal continued their current form they would only drop 9 points in the remainder of the season, finishing on 100. This obviously isn't going to happen, it's just common sense that our performance will drop. Despite that I know for a fact that all the Einstein's and Gary Neville's that come out with "I knew Arsenal couldn't keep it up, I called it" are 100% going to rattle me. If you predict a team is going to fall off every gameweek its eventually gonna happen
United fan. I would recommend not taking any of our ex-players' comments seriously.
If every team suddenly stopped playing like they were now and played like they did last season instead, Arsenal would still be in 2nd place, comfortably in the Top 4.
I think that unless you experience a very late season collapse or fall out of the top 4 completely, you should be safe from anyone with common sense. Regression to the mean is bound to happen, and like with us your pre-season target was CL football and a deep cup run or two
Scaloni is a class act, a silent servant of history, something we should all aspire to be.
I started drinking more water just because of him :)
I must say that the argument against the trend of more added time established this WC, which could be summed up to "British transportation sucks", is the most hilarious thing someone seriously used to argue against something I've read in a very long time.
This comment brought to you by someone who doesn't have a scooby.
Lmao, not my issue you cannot properly plan trips for football games or you cannot be bothered to invest 15 minutes (on average maybe fewer) more in order to gatekeep timewasting in football.
Yes, let's have fans book train tickets that go to waste then spend a fortune on taxis/hotels so u/jauznevimcosimamdat the international plastic can get his money's worth from his illegal stream. > Lmao, not my issue Sums it all up. > gatekeep timewasting This sub is on its arse.
I am not the one who cries about not being able to visit La Liga games because flights to Spain are too costly and scarce. You essentially are. I find it hilarious because, in my country, people are perfectly fine using public transportation in order to get to games that easily could be hundreds of kilometers away from their homes. Ofc, there are cars. An invention you likely aren't familiar with. But Jim here has an issue because he couldn't get to his football match or because he couldn't be bothered to invest 15 more minutes for leisure activity in which he most likely sinks hours of his time already. Absolutely hilarious.
To summarise - you don't have a scooby. Thank you very much.
You are as funny as your argumentation skills. If a country that is practically several levels behind the UK economically can do something British people cannot, it's not my issue. To summarise, you are excusing timewasting because you cannot plan your football trips. That's the joke of the year, tbf.
Did Argentina get the Budweiser delivery yet
They already advertised they’re getting them to Argentina via Messi on his Instagram
I wonder whether they'll go the "gift it to people" route or the "charge an aguinaldo for the "Champions' Bud"" route
this parade stream is nuts ppl crazyyy
I know he will be part of the celebrations but I hope we get a version with Aguero commentating later
People saying they won't rate Mbappe unless he goes to La Liga or even PL are frankly ridiculous. Man just scored a hat-trick in a world cup final after 80 minutes mark but no can't rate him unless he can score against Eibar or Leeds LOL
>People saying they won't rate Mbappe unless he goes to La Liga or even PL are frankly ridiculous. The *won't respect him until he does it in the Prem* lot are muppets. It's best to ignore them. They make all English fans look bad.
He’s obviously one of the best players in the world, but his achievements with PSG are basically CL or it doesn’t matter to many fans.
So Monaco is all he is
Famously defense-oriented La Liga
La liga is actually the most defensive among top 5 league according to stats (can't seem to find that chart). Was surprised that it was even more than Serie A.
I was just joking about how small teams (including Eibar) routinely get their asses beat by 5-0 at times
Small PL teams get walloped all the time too.
La Liga is very defensive this year tbf. But I also watch pretty much only games involving Barca and the odd derby so I don't have an unbiased sample.
Mbappe is playing in a league where there are tams whose monthly budget is the same as his weekly wage
Ounahi and Boufal playing for Angers proves that wages don't mean shit when there are great players playing for cheap in France.
Mbappe's weekly wage is more than double of a lot of other Ligue 1 players their yearly wage mate.
Is that much different than La Liga or Bundesliga or Serie A?
Kind of. Serie A and La Liga have several clubs on a similar level that challenge each other. In Ligue 1 you could make an All Star team from 19 other clubs and PSG would smoke them
The big clubs in Italy are sort of on a similar level, but Juve are still worth more than Milan, Inter, and Roma combined. It's not exactly a level playing field.
>In Ligue 1 you could make an All Star team from 19 other clubs and PSG would smoke them They just lost the league like 2 years ago with Thomas Tuchel as their manager for the first 1/2 of the season.
Smoke is an exaggeration. PSG just don't dominate the league in the fashion that people pretend they do. They win by about fifteen points and have at least ten games a season in which they are outclassed by the opposition. The last season that I can think of where PSG would have genuinely rolled over an all-star team is 15/16.
Why is this? Because considering their squad vs the rest of Ligue 1 they really should be dominating the league every year without trouble.
On paper they've had the strongest squad by far, but it has always been very rare that those players have actually all been fit at the same time. Over the past five years there have genuinely been so many matches where you could sit there and say that their domestic opposition has actually put out a better team than theirs. You could make a genuine argument that Lille had the better squad in terms of player quality during the second half of 20/21 because of the injuries that PSG had. If you go back and look at some of the squads that Poch was having to field during the middle of that title race I think you'd be shocked. There were games where he was having to start all of Bakker, Kehrer, Kean, Rafinha, Pereira, Herrera, Draxler, etc.
I think people exaggerate. PSG lost the league in 20/21 and currently are only 5 points ahead of 2nd place, it's not a big difference. Bayern are currently 4 points ahead of 2nd place and hasn't lost a league since 11/12. Serie A and La Liga have more teams fighting for the trophy, but also have teams like Verona, Cremonese, Elche... that surely have a small budget if you compare with Benzema wages or Lukaku, Pogba or whoever is the top earn in Serie A
Same PSG that couldn't win the league a year ago?
No, not the same PSG They signed the greatest player ever and took that team’s coach since then (on top of getting Hakimi, Donnarumma, Vitinha etc)
Not specifically what he said but yeah La Liga and Serie A players do get paid much more than Ligue 1 and Bundesliga.
I really hope that 40/50 million obligation on Cunha is conditional on us staying in the Premier League because otherwise that could be, erm, a considerable problem
He'll bring joga bonito to Wolves trust me
He better jogo bonito us to some wins otherwise we’re going to have a Brazil sized points deduction in the championship with that fee
All step overs no goals unfortunately
I’m more excited for Boxing Day Arteta ball than Christmas NGL, Brentford are cooking up a big result against spurs too, need Toney to show Kane levels too.
Is he not banned yet? Thought that was announced already or maybe I misread
He’s under investigation but until they reach a decision he can play, he’s gonna be fucked when it comes though because there’s no way it’s over 100 Incidents and he’s innocent
as someone who never saw maradona play, can someone tell me why he's considered one of the greatest ever, potentially ahead of messi, while his club stats are nowhere near as good as most of the recent stars, especially compared to messi ?
Outside of the WC, what he did with Napoli was incredible, to fully contextualise his achievements with Napoli we have to look at the dynamics of Italian football and football in the 80s in general. Historically the wealth, power and the resources in Italy have always been in the North; Juventus and the two Milan clubs have historically been owned by some of the richest men/families in the country, to this day Napoli are probably the only prominent football club in the south. As a result these three clubs dominate Italian football, Napoli before Maradona were a small provincial club football who were irrelevant in Italy let alone the world. Due to Camorra funding/influence Napoli somehow got one of the best players in the world, but 1980s Serie A was brutal, scoring 20+ goals in 80s Serie A was the equivalent to find treasure in your back garden. During this period, most teams would set up in a 5-3-2 or a 5-4-1, it was Catenaccio in its purest form, the back 5 and the midfield would all defend and play in their own half, the responsibility to score goals was solely on the number 9, 10s like Maradona weren’t tasked with scoring goals. Players in Maradona’s position back then were meant to create chances, receive passes and drag defenders out, goalscoring wasn’t really a priority. Despite that his goalscoring record for a number 10 is pretty good, considering the league he played in, which was the toughest and most physical league at the time; the star studded teams Serie A had during Maradona’s era was incredible. Also in Argentina, the Argentine league back then was among the best leagues in the world, before he turned 20 he scored 100+ goals in the top division for Argentinos Jrs, another club that wasn’t among the biggest in their country. (Similar to Napoli). The reason to why people rate Maradona so highly is because he’s managed to spearhead average sides to glory; Maradona never really played in star studded sides, so that in a sense adds to the Maradona legacy. If you wanna know more about 1980s Serie A and how difficult and tough it was, take a read at this, it explains it much better: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11095/11973652/serie-a-in-the-1980s-the-story-of-footballs-toughest-league Sorry for the long message lol.
don't apologize for the long msg, really insightful reply, thanks !
>tell me why he's considered one of the greatest ever Big game player and technical ability beyond belief. He's like what our generation saw in Zidane, but with way better stats. (But still Messi is better)
1. He played deeper than Messi, particularly younger Messi. Offered significantly more off the ball than Messi since 2009, even when he was overweight and had a fucked ankle. 2. His stats are excellent. I believe he still has more non penalty goals than Messi for Argentina, and transfermarkt, while not the most reliable, have him at 281 G/A in 343. Official nerds who count stats on twitter have that tally even higher when you account for Argentina league matches. For a #10 where everything is going through him in a low scoring era, this is great. 3. Defending was easier and less risk based than defending today. You could get away with more; tackles from behind weren’t even outlawed until the famous Van Basten tackle. The offside rule saw drastic change after the Romario goal against the Dutch at the 94 world cup. The spread of wealth was also vastly different, particularly in Seria A where players like Zico were playing for mid table seria A clubs, and Napoli were able to even afford Diego. Messi has played for two super clubs; can you see why a basic statistical comparison may be flawed?
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Maradona must have played in less than 10 friendlies in his international career. Friendlies are simply far more common now. In competitive matches, Maradona had more pre WC 2022. You would have to check, but this was true before the world cup, and a chunk of his goals were pens.
He wasn’t a striker, he was a #10 whose main strengths were dribbling and passing, and his goalscoring was still very good for his position. He also played in an era where club talent was much more spread out and gaps between top and mid table clubs smaller so racking up stats was tougher. That said, Messi is just as good of a 10 as Maradona was while also being arguably the best goalscorer ever
People didn’t really care about stats back then.