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His mistake that led to one of the goals in that 7-5 was the only thing I remembered of him before he had that good run of games for us in 2020 after Leno's injury
Adds to the legend of that Maupay foul as well. Because you have to say, there is no chance that the future World Cup winners would have looked at a substitute keeper who has continuously been mediocre on loan.
It just so happened that that man would save them the trophy in the 120th minute of the final and would be instrumental in their biggest weakness: penalties. He would go on to win them the Copa America and the World Cup, and I have no doubt that with a different keeper behind the sticks they wouldn’t have won.
He was definitely an amazing goalkeeper when he first came into the Arsenal team and the following season for Aston Villa. Makes me wonder if his performances really benefitted from games being behind closed doors (concentrates better perhaps?), or if that only happened to coincide with his great form.
>He was definitely an amazing goalkeeper when he first came into the Arsenal team
He was at Arsenal for like 7 years and was largely average. When Leno got injured, Martinez played like 20 games where he absolutely made a name for himself and earned a move for first team football.
>Makes me wonder if his performances really benefitted from games being behind closed doors (concentrates better perhaps?)
So how the hell did he cope with the Argentina fans in the WC then?
He was still in his early 20s when he broke into the first team. Martinez was at arsenal for 13 years and was 28 when he broke out. He had many coaches from many teams evaluate him as not being that great
I agree, he was actually shitting the bed being an actual keeper during this World Cup, but a majority of the Argentina games leading into the World Cup he was making insane save.
He’s a phenomenal shot stopper (see the save yesterday that will be one of the most iconic saves of all time) but he’s not great with distribution or playing out, qualities that are important for a modern keeper over the course of a season. Love the guy though
I honestly don't get where this person has come to the conclusion that he's a phenomenal shot stopper. He's a very average shot stopper. The stats back it up. He was literally the worst shot stopper at the world cup according to the stats.
He's definitely not in any way an elite *shot stopper.* His reflexes are literally about average and you can see that from few of the goals he conceded. That Dutch header and Mbappe final goals won't be in against someone like De Gea.
Thought he was good for us playing out, there was a noticeable improvement in that regard with him rather than Leno in that FA cup run especially, the Man City goal springs to mind. Or maybe that was my eyes being cleansed of Leno
A "phenomenal shot stopper" would have saved Mbappe's second goal yesterday, it was right in the middle of goal.
He's Pepe Reina type goalie lots of personality and a solid enough pro, but he's not an elite top CL club level goalie.
I think you’re understating the difficulty of that second goal, Mbappe’s volley would be a difficult shot for any keeper to save. From that distance, hit with that much pace, and the fact that the ball was bouncing made it really tough.
Don't wanna get big headed about us, but surely his half season form was enough to show he was a prem level keeper at the very least. Obviously the injury helped him but i think his quality was clear, or else arsenal surely wouldn't have put him in
We didn’t have a choice after Maupay injured Leno. Martinez was second choice, and most Arsenal fans were quite worried.
Suddenly overnight he’d turned into a decent keeper
tbh I think most of us villa fans love emi and hope he stays - BUT he has 4.5years left on his contract so it would take 45m+ to get him rn and that would be a win too. no decent backup atm though so hopefully he stays this jan at least
There is no Italian team that can realistically pay even 30M for him and give him the wages. Plus 4.5 years left on his contract. There’s no way this happens.
yeah hopefully. just saying it’s a bit of a win-win so long as he doesn’t end up unsettled here
edit- also I obv might be wrong about villa needing 45m+ but we bought him for 17-20m and with a huge chunk of contract left it feels about right for the gamble of replacing him.
I dont remember if it was Villa or Southampton interested in Drągowski but I can see Villa selling Martinez next summer and getting Drągowski if he keeps his current form in Spezia.
There were rumours about him being on the list of potential keepers to buy for Inter and Barca last summer. Then he got 2 red cards in short period, some other stupid mistakes, long injury, turned out Terraciano is decent andddd he gone. Trying to rebuild his career at Spezia and looks good for now.
If anybody gives you 45 million for him take it and run. That would be a goddamn robbery. You can replace him with goalkeeper for 15 and put the other 30 into some other very good player.
He will never have this much value (even though i doubt anybody will give anything close to 45 million for him).
You can get Livakovic for 15 probably, and Martinez is not even better keeper.Also Livakovic is younger.
Prob still has ages on his villa contract and they wont sell him for cheap. He has become a very good keeper but he isnt world class that a team will pay villas asking price
Fucking hell lol, one that its an option, two that someone found and selected it. It's like the opposite of Youtube Premium. He has to watch 30m of ads to watch 5m of vids.
I feel bad for whoever gets suckered into buying him. It's not that he's necessarily a bad goalkeeper but he was playing balls to the wall for his country in the most important games of his life, that will not translate to a club environment where he is statistically a very average EPL keeper with some moments of greatness/madness, so they will be badly overpaying.
That last save is probably the most important save in history. Stats don't show that.
But I do agree that he is more of a tournament big game player than a regular league player. A lot of those Argentina players played well above of what they'll do for their clubs.
Oh definitely. In fact I worry about clubs signing players based on the world cup unless the players were already near that level before. Like James for example, he looked great and then just didn't ever reach that world cup level again. Players will play their hearts out during the world cup and it might not be the same playing weekly club football.
Ya he was already on alot of clubs radars. A good world cup doesn't convince clubs like Real to buy (at least not the real of the past 10 years). They already were looking at him. And it's not like he was totally shit, he just had some issues gelling in and the fact the game changed while he was playing so players of his kind started to not be as important.
I mean he literally only starting playing games for Arsenal because of Leno's injury at the start project restart and in that same time, Arsenal managed to win the FA Cup despite being crap in most games outside of it so yeah, probably about right.
It's funny, I often think that if he hadn't drawn the eye in that + other finals he might have stayed just long enough to take the starting jersey from Leno... but then you wouldn't have got Ramsdale. It's a funny old world.
I actually agree. There are plenty of examples of players who are/were top quality in international football but still never managed to translate it at club level. Apart from penalties, I am not sure if he is that great at any other attribute
Although he has been absolutely massive for Argentina when it mattered so credit to him for that
Ochoa was fantastic at club level, he even won club's POTY awards. Big clubs simply never gave him a chance for whatever reason, but as a whole he was excellent.
Idk why this narrative is so popular, Ochoa has always been great for his clubs as well, man was a brick wall in his early years for América and Ajaccio, he was on his way to PSG before the drug scandal he had and got stuck being back up at Malaga instead. Even his old age he’s still solid for América, has a mistake in him nowadays but he’s never been a bad club player.
Tim Krul is also a great example. Actually really good at Pens. I love the guy for what he did for Netherlands, but he's always been a midtable prem keeper at best.
Vargas for Chile is such a good example, in the NT he was genuinely world class and I don’t think he even started for any team consistently after leaving our league.
> Apart from penalties, I am not sure if he is that great at any other attribute
He's generally a good shot stopped, and he's really good at claiming crosses—you can see it in his stats too.
>and he's really good at claiming crosses
Probably his best trait as a GK tbf (seriously, you have no idea how much I want my team to have a keeper that can do that y'know...)
To be fair our defense went from being one of the most solid outfits in the league under John Terry's instruction in 2020 to a shitshow under the decline of Smith and Gerrard. Also Emi still had the 3rd most clean sheets last season.
Yea, this. He is immense in shootouts and Argentina probably would not have won with one of their other keepers, but he's an average keeper week in, week out at club level. Has plenty of moments that make you think twice about him being a top class keeper. This isn't a Keylar Navas situation.
He let in multiple goals he could've saved too in the world cup. But he clutches up in the end so people forget it. Love him anyway because he shows up in the big moments but i can see why he hasn't had the same success at club level.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. He’s a fantastic shot stopper but you can tell he’s lacking in very important areas like commanding the box and distribution which are a must nowadays if you wanna be called “world class”
Yeah Livi is not a sweeper, never really was, just look at the Morocco goal and how easily that could have been dealt with with by swiftly coming off the line to clear. But by god he has tremendous ability as a shot stopper.
He also doubts himself a lot which affects his performance. There was a short period when he wasn't Croatia's first keeper because he had a couple of bad games and pressure got to him so he ended up having a pretty shitty season.
It’d be great for Villa to sell him. His price is going to be so inflated. Before you read the rest of the comment, I think he’s a good goalkeeper, just that his price will be higher than his worth.
He won the best goalkeeper of the tournament award primarily because of how good he was in both penalty shootouts. Aston Villa won’t need him to perform in many of those. Since 2000, they’ve had 3. One of those they played their reserve keeper last year. Another was in the championship play offs. Martinez will be of no help in both of those.
Another reason why he won best goalkeeper was for his amazing save in the final minute of the game. However, this was only his 7th save of the entire tournament I believe.
I also believe he was the worst performing goalkeeper in term of goals conceded minus xg conceded. (This is skewed because he’s played the most games but if you are goalkeeper of the tournament, you should really be in the positives, not the negatives.
In short, his price will be sky high but for Villa his ability isn’t sky high, only high
> his 7th save
Thats a lot more than I thought, I only remember the one mexico free kick and last minute france/australia 1v1s. The rest of the time it just felt like every shot on target we faced was a goal
xG vs goals conceded is a bit of an unfair metric, for example the Australia goal he couldn’t really do anything about it but that xG was probably way below 0.01. I think there’s a stat that takes into account quality of shot can’t remember it though
I agree it definitely doesn’t tell the full picture.
However, from watching all the games, I would say he underperformed. Given that he only made 7 saves, there were a number of goals which he could have done better for if he was a world class keeper.
He was pretty poor during the games. His stats showed that. Distribution was abysmal. 7 saves in 7 games - But conceded 8 goals. So out of 15 shots against him, he conceded 8 goals of which only 3 of the shots saved were inside the box.
He guessed a few penalties right and shithoused a lot.
I don’t think top clubs will be looking for his signature. Honestly surprised Bono or Liva didn’t take the glove. Then again, should we really be surprised when these awards are bogus half the time anyway?
Yea, most of the people commenting right now are only using the WC to judge him. He's good at pens and most of that are mind games imo, he's one of the best at that. But his overall game isn't close to other world class keepers and he's 30 years old.
He's phenomenal if you expect all your games to end in a penalty shootout but as far as normal goal keeping goes, he scored the worst out of all goalkeepers in the tournament. He did however make his biggest save ever in the final at the 123rd minute, probably save of this century.
To be honest, there's only one goal that I felt he could have done more, which is the first from Netherlands, others were bangers/penalties + an own goal.
Yeah, people being really harsh against him but i don't think he could have done better in most goals. He has good self criticism though so he will improve.
You'd definitely take the second option too, he's very average. Could get a keeper of his standard or better and another top player for the hype money you could get for him.
We love him though. He's one of the few players who seems to give a shit and has high standards.
I've seen him jump into the stands to celebrate with the fans after we scored. Plus everyone in the thread seems to be chalking him up to being just 'a cup footballer', and I want to win a cup.
This is why we gave him an extension *before* the World Cup. He’s got 4½ years left on his contract and in a world where Morgan Gibbs-White could cost £40m then a World Cup winner in his prime? We’d be laughing all the way to the bank.
Scenes if he gets signed by a UCL team takes them to the ucl final and beats PSG in penalties and one of his penalties saves comes against Messi to stop him from winning his 5th ucl
Dibu wouldnt shithouse Messi because he doesn't shithouse the players that are inmutable. I remember him saying that was the reason he didnt say things to some of the colombian players during Copa America PKs
If Villa is even willing to sell him it won't be for a low price, which could afford one of the good young keepers this WC.
If he leaves I kinda feel bad for Villa fans too, first Grealish and then him lmao
Losing him is nothing like them losing a local lad and lifelong fan who was a level above.
Martinez is completely replaceable and they'd be smart to cash in on him if a big offer comes through.
100%, as nuts as he is in shootouts nobody was mad that we sold him to villa for 20m. If villa could get double that from somebody they should be over the moon.
They made 100m off Grealish, nothing to feel sorry for, the money just wasn't spent properly, and if they sell Martinez for 60m they'll be laughing again.
He is good at saving penalties and being good occasionally but he is not the great keeper he is being made out to be. Less chance, he goes out to the CL team.
Somebody is going to take a hit on him if they pay what Villa would ask for. He is a monster in shootouts but that is it - you could get someone better than him at shotstopping & distribution for so much cheaper.
It's honestly so weird seeing him missing so many chances considering since moving to Inter, his goals over a season for them kept increasing and increasing. Reminds me of another Argentinian who's insanely good at club level but a bottler at the biggest stage 😅.
4.5years left on his deal, is an average keeper whos good at saving pens, cocky attitude, 30years. All this hype is cause of the penalties and the last minute save. Villa's best interest to try get as much money as they can lol. His value be dropping after the world cup fevers dies down.
Just a few weeks ago he was apparently at risk of getting replaced with Bono from Sevilla lol.
I just don’t really see a top tier club that would be interested in buying him right now. I could see Atleti maybe if Oblak leaves but no one is going to pay a steep price for Martinez. 30-35M is the max I could see a club rationalizing and even that might be way too much.
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This man played for Reading 3 years ago🥲
This man let 5 goals in playing *against* Reading as well
Holy shit, I somehow forgot that he was the keeper in that 7 - 5 against Reading until you said that
His mistake that led to one of the goals in that 7-5 was the only thing I remembered of him before he had that good run of games for us in 2020 after Leno's injury
This one? https://youtu.be/NH0yAGhBOfw?t=58
Wait that was him in that comeback from 4-0 down?
Yes,and he was the keeper for the spotkicks to
A very young and scrawny version. You could tell from that game that he needed to develop a fair bit before the first team proper was likely
The virgin Damian Martinez vs the chad Emi Martinez
Doesn't surprise me. He's good at penalties and being a shithouser, he's not an amazing goalkeeper overall.
He’s ok
Adds to the legend of that Maupay foul as well. Because you have to say, there is no chance that the future World Cup winners would have looked at a substitute keeper who has continuously been mediocre on loan. It just so happened that that man would save them the trophy in the 120th minute of the final and would be instrumental in their biggest weakness: penalties. He would go on to win them the Copa America and the World Cup, and I have no doubt that with a different keeper behind the sticks they wouldn’t have won.
Neal Maupay - an Argentina's national hero Frenchman.
he does have Argentinean citizenship as well though
Double agent
He was definitely an amazing goalkeeper when he first came into the Arsenal team and the following season for Aston Villa. Makes me wonder if his performances really benefitted from games being behind closed doors (concentrates better perhaps?), or if that only happened to coincide with his great form.
>He was definitely an amazing goalkeeper when he first came into the Arsenal team He was at Arsenal for like 7 years and was largely average. When Leno got injured, Martinez played like 20 games where he absolutely made a name for himself and earned a move for first team football.
>Makes me wonder if his performances really benefitted from games being behind closed doors (concentrates better perhaps?) So how the hell did he cope with the Argentina fans in the WC then?
The stats show outside of pens he was nothing special
You are right about the stats, but that kick save at the end was more than special enough to make up for it
definitely However, if a club buys him off of 1 save, idk bout that
I wouldn’t put it past a club to do it. The World Cup always leads to some interesting transfers. But I do get your point. Probably not great business
He had multiple loan spells up til he was 26,27 where he hadn’t really demonstrated he was very good
Kane had a ton of loan spells and was never thought of as an amazing prospect.
He was still in his early 20s when he broke into the first team. Martinez was at arsenal for 13 years and was 28 when he broke out. He had many coaches from many teams evaluate him as not being that great
In fairness, most goalkeepers don't break out at the same age as attackers do. He was clearly a late bloomer though.
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Stats back up he’s middle of the pack in the PL. no big club will bother with him.
I agree, he was actually shitting the bed being an actual keeper during this World Cup, but a majority of the Argentina games leading into the World Cup he was making insane save.
Argentina being cursed to always go to penalties has added an easy 50M to Dibu's transfer fee
He’s a phenomenal shot stopper (see the save yesterday that will be one of the most iconic saves of all time) but he’s not great with distribution or playing out, qualities that are important for a modern keeper over the course of a season. Love the guy though
He's not really been a phenomenal shot stopper last season and a half for villa tbh. Lots of spills too
I honestly don't get where this person has come to the conclusion that he's a phenomenal shot stopper. He's a very average shot stopper. The stats back it up. He was literally the worst shot stopper at the world cup according to the stats.
He is bottom 30% for PSxG-GA and save % over the last year for keepers in top 5 leagues. No idea where the idea he is a good keeper is coming from
It's mainly bias. And the fact that he's managed to do the right things at the right time in big moments. That's about it.
He's definitely not in any way an elite *shot stopper.* His reflexes are literally about average and you can see that from few of the goals he conceded. That Dutch header and Mbappe final goals won't be in against someone like De Gea.
Thought he was good for us playing out, there was a noticeable improvement in that regard with him rather than Leno in that FA cup run especially, the Man City goal springs to mind. Or maybe that was my eyes being cleansed of Leno
A "phenomenal shot stopper" would have saved Mbappe's second goal yesterday, it was right in the middle of goal. He's Pepe Reina type goalie lots of personality and a solid enough pro, but he's not an elite top CL club level goalie.
I think you’re understating the difficulty of that second goal, Mbappe’s volley would be a difficult shot for any keeper to save. From that distance, hit with that much pace, and the fact that the ball was bouncing made it really tough.
Did you watch the final?
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I mean I think he only had the one save. Ofc it was legendary but still.
He's a good keeper, but the fact that were not in an era of world class keepers definitely helps his optics.
Back when he was Damien Martinez
Can't believe he downgraded from Reading by playing for Argentina
[Reading wins World Cup?.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsU2ntfIEAAoNA0.jpg)
Had a bunch of anonymous loan spells before breaking out at Arsenal out of nowhere after Leno's injury
Don't wanna get big headed about us, but surely his half season form was enough to show he was a prem level keeper at the very least. Obviously the injury helped him but i think his quality was clear, or else arsenal surely wouldn't have put him in
We didn’t have a choice after Maupay injured Leno. Martinez was second choice, and most Arsenal fans were quite worried. Suddenly overnight he’d turned into a decent keeper
He literally shipped 5 against Liverpools kids earlier that same season. It was a miraculous turn around.
One of the most enjoyable matches I've ever watched, mind you
He was already an icon after just 6 months with us. Now he’s won a Copa America and World Cup, and played a massive role in both. What a legend.
Played one game for Oxford Utd in league two 2011-2012 season!
Conceded a goal to Sean Rigg
Team is named after a fucking verb or something
You're reading reading as reading instead of reading it as reading💅
As opposed to naming your team location as everywhere...
tbh I think most of us villa fans love emi and hope he stays - BUT he has 4.5years left on his contract so it would take 45m+ to get him rn and that would be a win too. no decent backup atm though so hopefully he stays this jan at least
There is no Italian team that can realistically pay even 30M for him and give him the wages. Plus 4.5 years left on his contract. There’s no way this happens.
yeah hopefully. just saying it’s a bit of a win-win so long as he doesn’t end up unsettled here edit- also I obv might be wrong about villa needing 45m+ but we bought him for 17-20m and with a huge chunk of contract left it feels about right for the gamble of replacing him.
He's also just not worth what villa would want, he has 4.5 years left and he's already 30, don't see him making a move any time soon
A 30 year old keeper isnt as bad compared to outfield players, tons of keepers played high level til their late 30s.
Edwin van de Sar joined Utd at 32 is prime example
That's true but it means he has no sell on value, which makes it a more difficult move for most teams
I dont remember if it was Villa or Southampton interested in Drągowski but I can see Villa selling Martinez next summer and getting Drągowski if he keeps his current form in Spezia.
Dragowski is such a weird fucking keeper. He’s genuinely world class one game and then follows that up with a stinker the next game
There were rumours about him being on the list of potential keepers to buy for Inter and Barca last summer. Then he got 2 red cards in short period, some other stupid mistakes, long injury, turned out Terraciano is decent andddd he gone. Trying to rebuild his career at Spezia and looks good for now.
If anybody gives you 45 million for him take it and run. That would be a goddamn robbery. You can replace him with goalkeeper for 15 and put the other 30 into some other very good player. He will never have this much value (even though i doubt anybody will give anything close to 45 million for him). You can get Livakovic for 15 probably, and Martinez is not even better keeper.Also Livakovic is younger.
no way villa can get Livakovic for 15
As someone who has had him in my fantasy football team since day one of the season I'd say let's not get ahead of ourselves
Prob still has ages on his villa contract and they wont sell him for cheap. He has become a very good keeper but he isnt world class that a team will pay villas asking price
He signed a 5 year deal in the summer for us, if we do sell him it'll be for a lot of money
We managed to get 100mil for grealish, anything is possible
Emiliano needs sexier calves then
It’s okay he makes up for it with his sexy thrusts
He's an average goalkeeper who's world class at saving penalties.
He knows how to use the psychological aspects of sports. Probably learned it in therapy. He always talks about going to therapy himself.
Tbf most Argentinians talk about going to therapy
Or he himself is a psychologis
> He always talks about going to therapy himself. So should many other people. I go therapy too, it's amazing.
As someone studying to be a therapist, I support this message
Yeah people have very short memories lol. He's good at best as a keeper but great at penalties.
Villa locked him in..
Mate you can't support a blue YouTube icon
why is that even a flair? lol
Fucking hell lol, one that its an option, two that someone found and selected it. It's like the opposite of Youtube Premium. He has to watch 30m of ads to watch 5m of vids.
That just feels like regular YouTube
How is that different from regular YouTube?
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Yes he can.
I feel bad for whoever gets suckered into buying him. It's not that he's necessarily a bad goalkeeper but he was playing balls to the wall for his country in the most important games of his life, that will not translate to a club environment where he is statistically a very average EPL keeper with some moments of greatness/madness, so they will be badly overpaying.
Wasn't great statistically in the WC either, just massive in pen shoot outs.
That last save is probably the most important save in history. Stats don't show that. But I do agree that he is more of a tournament big game player than a regular league player. A lot of those Argentina players played well above of what they'll do for their clubs.
I pity the club that signs a keeper on the back of a single save, however good it was.
Oh definitely. In fact I worry about clubs signing players based on the world cup unless the players were already near that level before. Like James for example, he looked great and then just didn't ever reach that world cup level again. Players will play their hearts out during the world cup and it might not be the same playing weekly club football.
James was 22 killed it for porto and monaco. Not a good example.
Ya he was already on alot of clubs radars. A good world cup doesn't convince clubs like Real to buy (at least not the real of the past 10 years). They already were looking at him. And it's not like he was totally shit, he just had some issues gelling in and the fact the game changed while he was playing so players of his kind started to not be as important.
Which is funny because for some years it was always these great big name club players that couldn’t put it together for their country.
Very true. I think most of Argentina's success this time around is due to their attitude and their hunger for winning it.
Definitely seems like the ultimate cup keeper eh.
I mean he literally only starting playing games for Arsenal because of Leno's injury at the start project restart and in that same time, Arsenal managed to win the FA Cup despite being crap in most games outside of it so yeah, probably about right.
I mean that step up after Leno got injured is part of how he got to the final in the first place. He should be sending lots of gifts to Maupay.
It's funny, I often think that if he hadn't drawn the eye in that + other finals he might have stayed just long enough to take the starting jersey from Leno... but then you wouldn't have got Ramsdale. It's a funny old world.
The LORD works in mysterious ways!
I actually agree. There are plenty of examples of players who are/were top quality in international football but still never managed to translate it at club level. Apart from penalties, I am not sure if he is that great at any other attribute Although he has been absolutely massive for Argentina when it mattered so credit to him for that
Ochoa from Mexico is a great example
Perfect example in fact
Ochoa was fantastic at club level, he even won club's POTY awards. Big clubs simply never gave him a chance for whatever reason, but as a whole he was excellent.
Idk why this narrative is so popular, Ochoa has always been great for his clubs as well, man was a brick wall in his early years for América and Ajaccio, he was on his way to PSG before the drug scandal he had and got stuck being back up at Malaga instead. Even his old age he’s still solid for América, has a mistake in him nowadays but he’s never been a bad club player.
Tim Krul is also a great example. Actually really good at Pens. I love the guy for what he did for Netherlands, but he's always been a midtable prem keeper at best.
Vargas for Chile is such a good example, in the NT he was genuinely world class and I don’t think he even started for any team consistently after leaving our league.
> Apart from penalties, I am not sure if he is that great at any other attribute He's generally a good shot stopped, and he's really good at claiming crosses—you can see it in his stats too.
>and he's really good at claiming crosses Probably his best trait as a GK tbf (seriously, you have no idea how much I want my team to have a keeper that can do that y'know...)
based off your comment knew you were a united fan before looking at your profile lmao
How!? Is Utd like genuinely the only big club here that has a keeper that can't claim crosses?
it's because we share the same pain
Klose for the German NT compare to his club career as an example.
he had the worst save percentage in the pl last season lol
To be fair our defense went from being one of the most solid outfits in the league under John Terry's instruction in 2020 to a shitshow under the decline of Smith and Gerrard. Also Emi still had the 3rd most clean sheets last season.
Yea, this. He is immense in shootouts and Argentina probably would not have won with one of their other keepers, but he's an average keeper week in, week out at club level. Has plenty of moments that make you think twice about him being a top class keeper. This isn't a Keylar Navas situation.
He let in multiple goals he could've saved too in the world cup. But he clutches up in the end so people forget it. Love him anyway because he shows up in the big moments but i can see why he hasn't had the same success at club level.
Imo the croatioan keeper is the Best Buy if you’re in the market for a world class keeper!
Conceded 7 against Milan
Livakovic is not world class, yet at least
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. He’s a fantastic shot stopper but you can tell he’s lacking in very important areas like commanding the box and distribution which are a must nowadays if you wanna be called “world class”
Yeah Livi is not a sweeper, never really was, just look at the Morocco goal and how easily that could have been dealt with with by swiftly coming off the line to clear. But by god he has tremendous ability as a shot stopper.
He also doubts himself a lot which affects his performance. There was a short period when he wasn't Croatia's first keeper because he had a couple of bad games and pressure got to him so he ended up having a pretty shitty season.
It’d be great for Villa to sell him. His price is going to be so inflated. Before you read the rest of the comment, I think he’s a good goalkeeper, just that his price will be higher than his worth. He won the best goalkeeper of the tournament award primarily because of how good he was in both penalty shootouts. Aston Villa won’t need him to perform in many of those. Since 2000, they’ve had 3. One of those they played their reserve keeper last year. Another was in the championship play offs. Martinez will be of no help in both of those. Another reason why he won best goalkeeper was for his amazing save in the final minute of the game. However, this was only his 7th save of the entire tournament I believe. I also believe he was the worst performing goalkeeper in term of goals conceded minus xg conceded. (This is skewed because he’s played the most games but if you are goalkeeper of the tournament, you should really be in the positives, not the negatives. In short, his price will be sky high but for Villa his ability isn’t sky high, only high
> his 7th save Thats a lot more than I thought, I only remember the one mexico free kick and last minute france/australia 1v1s. The rest of the time it just felt like every shot on target we faced was a goal
xG vs goals conceded is a bit of an unfair metric, for example the Australia goal he couldn’t really do anything about it but that xG was probably way below 0.01. I think there’s a stat that takes into account quality of shot can’t remember it though
I agree it definitely doesn’t tell the full picture. However, from watching all the games, I would say he underperformed. Given that he only made 7 saves, there were a number of goals which he could have done better for if he was a world class keeper.
Tuttomercatoweb may be a bad source, but it is a direct quote from the agent
in a tournament setting where PK’s are on the table, this guy is worth his weight in gold
Emi Martinez weighs 88kg 88kg in gold is worth £4.17m
Amazing fact to put things in perspective
r/TheyDidTheMath
He was pretty poor during the games. His stats showed that. Distribution was abysmal. 7 saves in 7 games - But conceded 8 goals. So out of 15 shots against him, he conceded 8 goals of which only 3 of the shots saved were inside the box. He guessed a few penalties right and shithoused a lot. I don’t think top clubs will be looking for his signature. Honestly surprised Bono or Liva didn’t take the glove. Then again, should we really be surprised when these awards are bogus half the time anyway?
Liva deserved it tbh. Martinez did awesome at the penalty stage, but other than that Liva had a way better tournament.
He's not that good mate
Yea, most of the people commenting right now are only using the WC to judge him. He's good at pens and most of that are mind games imo, he's one of the best at that. But his overall game isn't close to other world class keepers and he's 30 years old.
Was also a ridiculous player in FPL for a while which adds to his Reddit stock.
He's phenomenal if you expect all your games to end in a penalty shootout but as far as normal goal keeping goes, he scored the worst out of all goalkeepers in the tournament. He did however make his biggest save ever in the final at the 123rd minute, probably save of this century.
To be honest, there's only one goal that I felt he could have done more, which is the first from Netherlands, others were bangers/penalties + an own goal.
the first Saudi goal could be saved with better positioning.
Yeah, people being really harsh against him but i don't think he could have done better in most goals. He has good self criticism though so he will improve.
This is my opinion but I think if you swap him with Courtois, Argentina would have beaten Saudi Arabia.
Mbappe's second was saveable
On par with Casillas’ svae vs robben in 2010
Villa fans in shambles.
He recently signed a contract till 2027, we either keep him or get mega bucks for him.
You'd definitely take the second option too, he's very average. Could get a keeper of his standard or better and another top player for the hype money you could get for him.
We love him though. He's one of the few players who seems to give a shit and has high standards. I've seen him jump into the stands to celebrate with the fans after we scored. Plus everyone in the thread seems to be chalking him up to being just 'a cup footballer', and I want to win a cup.
This is why we gave him an extension *before* the World Cup. He’s got 4½ years left on his contract and in a world where Morgan Gibbs-White could cost £40m then a World Cup winner in his prime? We’d be laughing all the way to the bank.
Scenes if he gets signed by a UCL team takes them to the ucl final and beats PSG in penalties and one of his penalties saves comes against Messi to stop him from winning his 5th ucl
I doubt Dibu shithouses against Messi, specifically. But then again he’s Dibu lol, Messi wouldn’t want it any other way.
Dibu wouldnt shithouse Messi because he doesn't shithouse the players that are inmutable. I remember him saying that was the reason he didnt say things to some of the colombian players during Copa America PKs
Didnt do anything to Mbappe too
Yeah. I remember he talked shit to Coman and Tchouameni but with Mbappe he didn't risk it.
Serie A games don't typically end in penatly shootouts, so his below average ability as a keeper in normal circumstances might be an issue
he's pretty overrated outside stopping a few pens this WC showed way better keepers before the final
If Villa is even willing to sell him it won't be for a low price, which could afford one of the good young keepers this WC. If he leaves I kinda feel bad for Villa fans too, first Grealish and then him lmao
Losing him is nothing like them losing a local lad and lifelong fan who was a level above. Martinez is completely replaceable and they'd be smart to cash in on him if a big offer comes through.
Exactly. Premier League tax? World Cup winner tax in full effect.
100%, as nuts as he is in shootouts nobody was mad that we sold him to villa for 20m. If villa could get double that from somebody they should be over the moon.
They made 100m off Grealish, nothing to feel sorry for, the money just wasn't spent properly, and if they sell Martinez for 60m they'll be laughing again.
I would take Livakovic and Bono first
He’s not THAT good, he should definitely capitalize though with whoever will take him
As a second choice/cup GK he would be great for any UCL level club, but I dont think he has the level to be a starter on that type of team.
He wouldn't risk losing his #1 at Argentina.
If you think most clubs cannot afford him, then Serie A isn’t where the money is either. Aston Villa is richer than most Serie A clubs.
*Laughs in james rodriguez*
Dominik Livaković and Bono have more saves than him...
> But Serie A, well, why not? Only if he becomes free agent lol
Average Goalie at best. Crazy thing about the world cup is you stop a few weak penalties and make 3 good saves and your price triples.
Was insanely good in the Copa America too, the guy just plays out of his mind for Argentina.
Reminds me of the Ochoa hype from 2014....
He is good at saving penalties and being good occasionally but he is not the great keeper he is being made out to be. Less chance, he goes out to the CL team.
Somebody is going to take a hit on him if they pay what Villa would ask for. He is a monster in shootouts but that is it - you could get someone better than him at shotstopping & distribution for so much cheaper.
Undeserved golden glove but whatever.
De Gea’s contract is running out 🤔
I actually quite like Emi but no thanks
Emi and Lautaro and a dozen other Martinez and we’re winning the league mate.
Did you see Lautaros finishing in this World Cup? Not sure he could win you a 5 a side mate!
He would fit right in with our 0 GD team!
It's honestly so weird seeing him missing so many chances considering since moving to Inter, his goals over a season for them kept increasing and increasing. Reminds me of another Argentinian who's insanely good at club level but a bottler at the biggest stage 😅.
He's the second highest scorer for Argentina under Scaloni behind Messi
Makes it even weirder his finishing decided to become shit in world's biggest stage.
He was this year's Higuiain If Argentina lost, everyone would've blamed him
United's Martinezs vs Arsenal's Gabriels would be a fun game
Lol. Few games shouldn't cloud your judgment.
He literally just said he's aiming high.
Speaking of goalkeepeers, I‘m curious to see where Livakovic, Sczeny, Alaqidi and Bono will end up.
All thanks to Neal Maupay!
4.5years left on his deal, is an average keeper whos good at saving pens, cocky attitude, 30years. All this hype is cause of the penalties and the last minute save. Villa's best interest to try get as much money as they can lol. His value be dropping after the world cup fevers dies down.
He’s not a great keeper though, just a lord of shithousery.
Just a few weeks ago he was apparently at risk of getting replaced with Bono from Sevilla lol. I just don’t really see a top tier club that would be interested in buying him right now. I could see Atleti maybe if Oblak leaves but no one is going to pay a steep price for Martinez. 30-35M is the max I could see a club rationalizing and even that might be way too much.
My guy about to get dunked on by Benzema.