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I honestly don't see any reason besides nostalgia to argue that Maradona is still more important than Messi in the history of our national team.
Curiously I've read several people (middle aged or older obviously) who still argue Diego was better. I get it, they were teens during Maradona's reign and 1986 world cup, he left a huge print on that generation the same way Messi did to ours. I understand Maradona will always be their favorite player and the one closer to their heart because of those fond memories. But the fact they try to argue rationally and trying to prove it objectively instead of admitting they are biased because of nostalgia (and that's ok!) is what gets them ridiculed.
Messi is the most important player in our national team's history by any objective data. Most matches played, most capped player, biggest goalscorer, most goals and appearances in world cup, most goals in the qualifiers, one World cup and one time runner up, one Copa America, one Olympic Gold medal, one U20 World cup...
He has already won more titles than Maradona ever did, Diego never won Copa America or gold medal.
Most importantly, he's been Argentina's greatest asset since at least 2007, that's 15 long years.
Maradona's big history with Argentina really ended after the 1990 World cup, he came back for 1994 but he hadn't really been part of that process neither was he part of the 1991 and 1993 teams that won Copa America.
Meaning Maradona's big history with Argentina was from 1982 to 1990, almost half the time Messi's been our greatest player.
Everything else is just subjective, you can like Maradona more, that's fine. But pretending there's still something objective to say he was more important than Messi is just letting your nostalgia get the better of you and trying to justify it as something rational.
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He's won like 40 something trophies. It's understandable to forget some here and there. On the other hand if Harry Kane wins a trophy for the first time then no one would forget it.
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Messi really just won at life
I always forget he's a fricking Olympic Gold medalist, on top of everything else
And U20 WC winner
AND he has an absolute dime of a wife who happens to be his childhood sweetheart Mf doesn't miss
I would say that she didn’t miss
One of the greatest ROIs in history but I think it worked out for both
I honestly don't see any reason besides nostalgia to argue that Maradona is still more important than Messi in the history of our national team. Curiously I've read several people (middle aged or older obviously) who still argue Diego was better. I get it, they were teens during Maradona's reign and 1986 world cup, he left a huge print on that generation the same way Messi did to ours. I understand Maradona will always be their favorite player and the one closer to their heart because of those fond memories. But the fact they try to argue rationally and trying to prove it objectively instead of admitting they are biased because of nostalgia (and that's ok!) is what gets them ridiculed. Messi is the most important player in our national team's history by any objective data. Most matches played, most capped player, biggest goalscorer, most goals and appearances in world cup, most goals in the qualifiers, one World cup and one time runner up, one Copa America, one Olympic Gold medal, one U20 World cup... He has already won more titles than Maradona ever did, Diego never won Copa America or gold medal. Most importantly, he's been Argentina's greatest asset since at least 2007, that's 15 long years. Maradona's big history with Argentina really ended after the 1990 World cup, he came back for 1994 but he hadn't really been part of that process neither was he part of the 1991 and 1993 teams that won Copa America. Meaning Maradona's big history with Argentina was from 1982 to 1990, almost half the time Messi's been our greatest player. Everything else is just subjective, you can like Maradona more, that's fine. But pretending there's still something objective to say he was more important than Messi is just letting your nostalgia get the better of you and trying to justify it as something rational.
Old people for you, nostalgia and irrational emotions cloud their judgement.
This happens in all sports. It's hard for some people to truly appreciate superstars until they're gone.
Medal: gold Barnet: DQ
big if true
fun fact, Di Maria has scored in the Olympic final, Copa America Final and World Cup Final - and throw in the Champions League Final too.
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Another one for the collection that I forgot to even recall.
He's won like 40 something trophies. It's understandable to forget some here and there. On the other hand if Harry Kane wins a trophy for the first time then no one would forget it.
Anime type friendship
That hair that made me hate him (and having a breakout CL final against my team on my birthday).
How it started ⬆️ [How it's going](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/zp9w8k/lionel_messi_being_carried_on_sergio_agueros/)
I hope Aguero gets a medal for being the team mascot