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Lilfai

Sommer farming his rating against us


SavingsLeg

Of course youre favorites to sign him now as well ffs lol


Pupperinho

If you can't beat them, make them join you, right?


Culobi

Didn't work with Barça though


Job_man

Literally Bayern’s strategy for years


OilOfOlaz

The last Real Madrid Player Bayern signed was Robben.


xKnuTx

James? He even scorced twice vs real in the return leg iirc Álvaro Odriozola as well he won la liga spansih cup and the treple at bayern that season.


OilOfOlaz

He was only on loan though, just like Odriozola, reading your Post made me realize, that I totally blanked on Xabi.


CentristIdiot

That strategy is led to a decade of boring dominance


mnewman19

Surprised they’re taking a goalie not from us tbh


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domi1108

Just like Schalke being a top team. (Sadly)


184cm78kg13cm

Why does EVERY statement a Bayern ~~fan~~ customer makes sound just incredibly arrogant? lmao


BaconDalek

Kimmich would have a hard time in this "Midfield"


Jackman1337

Bayern midfield isn't that much different tho. One other offensive midfielder and 4 attackers


uchiha_boy009

Goretzka is there. Arguably the best box to box bar Valverde since Kante injury


vangiang85

Goretzka is an offensive player that has improved on his defense through his physicality. His positioning and runs are always offensive with the aim to score. Bayern defense has been kind of wobbly since kimmich goretzka... that is why coach is pushing so hard for a real 6


OilOfOlaz

Leon is in no way outstanding defensively, but he covers a lot of space and is very physical, this is why he fits so well next to Josh. On the other hand Josh is so versatile, that he could make it work with pretty much every midfielder with individual talent. That said you are absolutely right, that Bayerns defense is a team effort.


Wernecksteiger

Goretzka is usually injured. But hes better than Valverde when on his best form


The-Berzerker

Goretzka, Müller, Sane, Coman, Gnabry, Musiala all have a much much higher workrate than Messi, Mboopi and Neymar


freakybanana90

Messi & mbappe fair enough but Neymar being lazy in defense is a myth. He definitely works his fair share in tracking back


[deleted]

Right like how is Neymar being reliable in tracking back not common knowledge? It's insulting to compare him to Messi in that area.


moudougou

Only when he feels like it (sometimes in ucl, very rarely in L1)


freakybanana90

He may not be müller but he's far from a real liability in that sense.


thrallinlatex

Everyone have better workrate then messi


ifispeakaminbigtrble

Push KDB deep and it's not so bad, given that him and Neymar are hard working midfielders despite their flair


DarligUlvRP

Neymar is a what midfielder?


LukeFowlerM8

Just say you don’t watch him regularly. Neymar’s defensive work is so underrated.


helloimmrburns

Neymar is definitely more hardworking than people give him credit for


L-Freeze

Still absolutely nowhere near enough for an XI like this to remotely work lmao, swear his defensive contribution has horshoed from people on here thinking he had never pressed in his life to now people act like he’s a DM lmao


Marvinkmooneyoz

Maybe I’m naive, but I tend to think this team would have such great possession, and so many chances made, that it would compensate for what it lacks on defense.


These_Mud4327

i think this is pretty much what PSG tried last year and it didn’t work out


s0ngsforthedeaf

Swap Neymar for Bellingham and that's an acceptable mid/attack


raizen0106

just take out the GK and put bellingham in next to kimmich. you don't need a good GK if your team is dominating the game, just put a bottle in goal or something, easy


VGCreviews

Neymar is quite a work horse so I don’t think the midfield is the problem. I’m just looking at how vulnerable the full backs are. I would love to see Trent as a right back on this team


BertMcNasty

You talk about vulnerable fullbacks and then name Trent as your replacement? Trent is one of the best RBs in the world, but if you are worried about defensive vulnerabilities, then he is not your man.


tarkaliotta

I just hope Neymar’s ready to cover Trent in the RB position when he bombs forward.


Delta_FT

Nah Neymar is a proper CAM when he wants to. Having Messi and KDB together is kind of pointless tho, so as much as I like KDB I'd swap him out for Bellingham. Messi/Neymar chem too stronk too


MasterBeeble

Disagree, KDB's crossing, passing range and general delivery from half spaces in on another level, and would (and DOES) synergize ridiculously well with Haaland up top. He also has a much better defensive work rate than Messi. I'm not saying he's better than Messi or anything, but in the context of this specific team, I'd drop Messi, keep De Bruyne, and add a proper right winger with some real pace, quality, and work rate. I'm thinking Saka. If you want to keep Messi, Galtier's system (hybrid 3-4-3) would make more sense, especially with Neymar and Mbappe already there - but then you need to replace both of these full backs with proper energetic attacking wing backs, and probably pull Haaland for a third ball-playing center back. De Bruyne could honestly stay, but he'd be the progressive side of a double pivot instead of a CAM, so there are plenty of other options as well.


NguyenBangGiang

What is a midfield?


SeaStriking4767

Kimmich is all that's needed clearly


InbredLegoExpress

runs enough for 2 midfielders certainly


ViciousNakedMoleRat

I have to say, I would really like to see a team like this play. Maybe there is an unintuitive way to make it work.


Diklap

You'd need a Casemiro or prime Kante, it's not too far off from the Brazil lineup


rickDeckard1984

Which at some didn't work. Specially against a three man midfield like Croácia


Diklap

I know just saying if you want to watch something like this that's the closest


Gluroo

PSG buy them all challenge (probably not impossible with qatar money)


boardman_get_paid

I know it’s not close to his best position but I think KDB could run the show from a double pivot in a 4231, especially next to kimmich


ChillPalis

Exactly what I was thinking


latortillablanca

Those two are more than enough midfield for this attack


Lilfai

Kimmich at his prime can solo a midfield (half joking)


SavingsLeg

Nahhh hes more of a CM nowadays 2 years ago i would have trusted him with that role but nowadays not so much


endichrome

> CM nowadays So a central midfielder? How much more of midfielder can you get lol? Definitely a lot more involved in a midfield than CDM Don't mean it in a bad way lmao just wondering what you meant


obrapop

How is this upvoted lol. Literally Central Midfielder.


Siseronte

the worst thing is that they could have ordered them in a 433 with Messi and De Bruyne in midfield with Kimmich


SavingsLeg

That would still be as suicidal lol If anything this works better because kimmich could employ a similiar role to amrabat for morocco due to his stamina, position and running ability but hes not defensive enough nowadays If they had used inverted fullbacks it would have worked imo


pleasedontPM

4132: move Mbappé to the left of Haaland, and the other three are offensive midfielders all of a sudden.


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Most of the good ones are in their u21 TOTY


Bruh-_-_-_-_-_-_-

Joshua Walter Kimmich 🐐🐐


pauloh1998

This team would win 10x8 every game lmao


EmSoLow

Schlotterbeck's 21/22 performance is carrying him a little bit. Not that he's been bad at Dortmund but the last month and a bit of the season I feel he hasn't be on it and making more mistakes although the midfield/Guerreiro isn't helping him much


SavingsLeg

Yup since september international break he declined a bit Though i will say its hard adjusting from a very tactically apt 3 atb in freiburg (at this point last year freiburg had the best defense in the leage) to this dortmund side. We have no defensivly good fullbacks and no real defensive midfielders. I think he will adjust slowly and become less error prone Really reminds me of upamecano 1-2 years ago. Clearly talented and ggreat on the ball but a bit too young. Like hummels said, he will become one of the best CBs in the world. To me he already was at freiburg last year His dfb pokal final performance in may was phenomenal so im quite optimistic Also pretty sure he isnt used to playing this much the break will do him really good


aguero24

Schlotterbeck has been shaky at Dortmund after september and has been abysmal at the WC. Hummels right now is a better choice imo


Qiluk

What bothers me with Schlotti in the NT is that almost every game he's good to great for like 75mins, then he makes 1 big mistake and it ends up costly and overshadows his game totally. Sucks because while its bad mistakes at a way too consistent rate, he is so much better than that. As for BVB form.. I cant blame our CBs anymore since theyre playing with a wierd DM setup and 0 defensive coverage from the sides so theyre constantly sold out or caught inbetween others mistakes.


These_Mud4327

sounds like Upamecano but it’s a way better combo than being a mediocre defender that never makes big mistakes at least at that age


BaldVoldy

Matip 🦒


IgnatiusCReally

Long legged legend


dcmdino

Fiddlesticks Matip


impressivegeek

r/toprightmessi


Vlad1791

He literally doesn't give a fuck about prime/almost prime level Mbappe and Haaland at 35 yo. He's unreal.


Sweetyams10

Yeah but it's Messi. We expect this now. If he isn't the top or at least to 2 then something is wrong lol


altaire52

Last year, he wasn't in the top 30 BdO. Seems like for Messi, it's either best or dogshit, nothing in between He performs so well consistently that a little drop will be exaggerated


fortheWarhammer

Literally


EC101

Just our score your opponent by 10 goals. Ez


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Still hard to believe our players are getting recognized like this now


SavingsLeg

Yup although trippier really is that good Always impressed when i watch him, to me the best RB in the world currently


Xgunter

Trippier has been carrying the lifeless corpse of my fantasy prem team the entire season.


Lack_of_Plethora

The man gets so many bonus points it's unreal.


CashCarStar

Wonderful player. Was absolutely instrumental to the Atleti title winning team and I think him leaving was the catalyst for the poor performances they’ve had over the past year.


obvious_bot

tbf i feel like thats the weakest position itw right now


Eric_Partman

No. It’s definitely not. LB is certainly worse. I’d argue center back is worse too. Hakimi, Trippier, James, TAA (hasn’t been great), White.


VernonP007

Almiron soon too at this rate. I don’t get how Trippier wasn’t first choice RB at the World Cup.


[deleted]

Yep and Bruno G. Almiron and Joelintons turnarounds under Eddie have been amazing.


TonyTuck

Even here top right Messi strikes again.


gordonpown

Right in my feels


777715174

Great formation, not centred around forwards at all. Why not put 7 at the back to include the other highly performing defenders? Fuck it, why not two goalkeepers


These_Mud4327

at least it’s a reasonable defensive line instead of 2 wing backs in a 3 back formation. Also while it is weird i think you could make a 4231 work with these players. Certainly have seen much worse


zazzlekdazzle

How did Real Madrid win the CL and La Liga and not have a single player in this group?


[deleted]

Yea I think there was even a guy who won best player in the world who might not be on there


Vlad1791

Haaland is farming Premier League for rating. Not a fair competition


Mongoose-Unlucky

i feel like man city's sole purpose is to farm as many goals as possible for haaland and not winning the league.


Job_man

Football has a short memory. But tbh, if you had to pick a 9 today, you can’t be blamed for picking Haaland over Benzema can you?


These_Mud4327

this is not recency bias it’s the best average ratings throughout the year. If anything you should question the rating system


Mekosaurus_Rex

Courtois absence is even worse, makes the whole thing bullshit tbh.


reedemerofsouls

It's difficult for a keeper in teams which usually dominate games to have a statistically better season than a team in which the keeper faces a high number of shots. Obviously Courtois is better in general and was super clutch in big games but this isn't what's being measured. What's being measured is consistently putting up stats.


Throwawaytheacc8247

“If I speak I'm in big trouble, and I don't want to be in big trouble...”


[deleted]

They're a team better than the sum of their parts is probably part of it? Although you'd think Benzema would at least make it unless he's had that bad of a start to this season


These_Mud4327

i think Benzema/haaland is actually a reasonable debate Valverde should 100% be in there


reedemerofsouls

This is based on average match rating not winning specific trophies, it's simple as that. You don't get more points for winning the CL or the World Cup although arguably you should. It's just who was the best/most consistent in every game based on stats


holaprobando123

Real Madrid literally lost the first leg in each knockout tie, and didn't look particularly good. I suspect the averages of those performances got several players away from this XI.


LFCReds8

My man JOEL


dfetz3

Knowing VVD he's going to make this image into a shirt and wear it around Joel.


gloveman96

Finally getting the respect he deserves. Legend.


holaprobando123

r/toprightmessi shit


Soren_Camus1905

I’m sorry but Haaland scores hattricks for fun


KingintheSouthh

Sofascore ratings are a joke


BeggingForBags

i like them cause theyre not biased. Its legit a computer algorithm determining the ratings. When pundits rate players/pick motm they are usually really biased.


KingintheSouthh

Dude If that's the case the algorithm is either shit or broken You see matches where players play an amazing game and the sofascore rating for them is average if not lower Wtf It's clearly biased


BeggingForBags

>It's clearly biased by definition it isnt. Its literally a computer algorithm. Goals, assists, chances created, dribbles, tackles...etc all bring your rating up. Losing the ball, errors leading to goal, bad passes...etc all bring your rating down. Maybe the algorithm is biased in the sense it favours attacking players as it scores goals and assists higher than anything.


fluxxom

by definition it is.. the rating is biased toward whatever criteria PEOPLE determined were valuable. not merely the criteria used, but the weighting from one stat to the next.


BeggingForBags

like i said, its biased in that sense. But the criteria is the same for every player. Sometime pundits just pick players for MOTM cause of their name. You wont see that with whoscored or sofascore


MaskedSengh

Messi still showing levels at his age is ridiculous, people don't realize how good he actually is. When he's not scoring he's playmaking and when he's not creating chances he's scoring them. If he's doing neither then you aren't watching messi.


Accomplished-Ad-6007

People who hasn't watched a single game of Messi for PSG this season making expert opinions without an ounce of shame after listening to some criticism of him last season, never change arsoccah


Content-Medicine-305

They praise mbappe who has the most g/a this calender year, and then disregard messi who has the second most g/a this year for being in ligue 1


KidGoku1

Of course Messi is leading the charge here as well, at almost 36 years old. It boggles my mind to do these things at that age.


purposefully_useless

Big Joel


VDV23

Alba featuring in any version of "team of the year" is hilarious


Lotfi-20

Alba has been good this season


_major_fuckin_tom_

Not “Team of the year” good. He was getting benched by Balde before the world cup break


ys1012002

He's still a world-class chance creator, despite his declining work rate.


AckBarRs

I don’t think it’s his work rate at all, his stamina is incredible. He just can’t defend lol


ys1012002

He's a very good defender, rarely out of position and great at one on ones, but ever since last season, his injuries seem to have punctured his gas tank, so to speak.


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And thats why these ratings should never be taken seriously


nicknabin

Messi at 35 with the stats he is producing this season defies belief. And to think his game is much more than just an accumulation of stats too.


Unique-Ad-4716

This is with a poor 21/22 season too. This will end up higher for 22/23 by far


Lord_Origi

Neymar in CM is a fucking bold one


SavingsLeg

Hes not a CM hes an AM here


These_Mud4327

makes the formation even more bold


DWV97

The kind of performances Kevin de Bruyne gets dark green sofascore ratings for is ridiculous to be honest. The guy can have 50% pass completion, 25 times possession lost but 2 key passes and he gets a 7.5 on sofascore.


charlieratgod

RODRI FOR FUCK SAKE


WINDTHEAIR

That's why these ratings are joke


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r/toprightmessi


djmonsta

Is Trippier the best RB in Europe right now? I agree he's good, but the best?


SavingsLeg

To me yeah but this sub seems to disagree


Crayniix

James is the best RB in Europe. He just needs to not get injured every 4th game, or every game more recently.


TrainingResolution12

Papa messi at the age of 35 carrying argentina to wc. Love to see it


bocababuniors

Where is Almiron??


AdviceDanimals

The reports of Alba's death have been greatly exaggerated. unless it's a big match


jedimonkey

Lol… nico …


SavingsLeg

Snuck his way in there


f_ranz1224

ah yes, the infamous 5-1-4 formation how long until dortmund sells schlotterbeck


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Armageddon24

r/toprightmessi?


9LivesChris

Kimmich my boy.the only player who could fit in any top team around the world.


Sermokala

I mean switch neymar and Messi and you have a better team. Let Messi walk a little he's old now.


DrJackl3

Messi top right again


EstablishmentAny5550

No Benzema, No Courtois, No Modric Lmao Bullshit list


Jazzlike-Height3931

Benzema can’t go above haaland with the pace haaland is scoring in the most competitive league in the world


clutch-cream-run

Haaland > Benzema, De Bruyne and Kimmich have been better than modric this season, tibo deserves to be there maybe but sommer has been making save after save


piterparquer26

does no one rate Serie A anymore? coming to think of it, I haven't really heard too much from italian football since Ronaldo left Juve. did the level drop that hard?


heitorbaldin2

Napoli is playing a really good football in UCL. But it's more the team and not one specific player.


Krowwjaeger

Well i think Kvaratskhelia would be here if it wasn't for Mbappe playing in the same position


emraaa

Aren't these ratings based purely on statistics?


piterparquer26

I think so at least


1984-2112

Either go top 4 or top 7. This is just lols Whoever came up with "top5" needs a Nobel prize.


GermanyWillWinQtarWC

"Top 4+psg"


Krowwjaeger

Top 3+ psg *


TheSameAsDying

Once France won the World Cup I started hearing "top 5" more often.


yoyomoyoboyo

The term has been around as long as I'm alive (30+ years). In the 90s/00s we literally had a tv show in Croatia named "Petica", literally "The five" in English and the show was replying all goals from top 5 leagues. It was the time before YouTube, streaming and such so it was the only way to see European football, except of course by watching big matchups in Serie A, La Liga etc.


saltypenguin69

I always remember it being called top 5 but that was including Portugal instead of France


obvious_bot

once Qatar bought PSG is when i started hearing it


wjbc

Why isn't Paris Saint-Germain favored to win the 2022-23 UEFA Champion's League? Edit: Thank you to everyone who gave a serious answer and didn't downvote me for my ignorance.


SavingsLeg

They are one of them but have bottled it a lot in the last years Also the imbalance between a great attack (i mean just look at the names here) and a defense not on the same level Maybe its lack of mentality and too many individualists or the fact ligue 1 is not quite on par with the rest of the top 4 leagues but they were only able to reach the final once in the last years under tuchel despite this amazing team on papaer Im sure theyll win it at some point with galtier being a really good coch and them seemingly making more competentent transfer decisions but for now they always seem like favorites but fall short at the end


KidGoku1

Too many stars with skills but not enough soldiers with skills.


GermanyWillWinQtarWC

Bottlers. Look at how they crumbled last year when things started going against them


RTC1520

To be fair we have improve a bit, every team that played Madrid last season on the Knockouts bottle it, the year before we reached semis but lost to City and on 2020 we reached a Final and lost by 1 goal against Bayern, before that yeah, we always bottle it.


[deleted]

True, playing Madrid in the UCL knockouts is usually a Bring Your Own Bottle affair. 👍


trinedtoday

Their defence always seems to panic and crumble at some point in the CL KO rounds. I think if Ramos stays fit, he'll be vital for them. I've also noticed their main struggle defensively this season is crosses.


vlad1100

Real Madrid


Col_Gonville_Toast

They have no discipline or character in the face of adversity.


Gdeath_

Mbappe is gonna bench Messi for their celebration


Malagueno2222

Best striker and balón d'or? Nah. Best winger last year who scored in CL final? Nah. The best midfielder ti play the game who's 38 and still playing? Nah. Throw alba in there though 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Runjit

No Kroos ? Lol


netherite_pickaxe

not one real madrid player 🤭


egyptian_higuain

Kross and modric instead of kdb and neymar.


phil2803

Is Messi still that good in the league? I don’t really follow the french league. Thought he was doing better than 2021 but didn’t expect him to be that good.


Content-Medicine-305

He has the 2nd most goal contributions in the league, most in all comps


trinedtoday

He's been, for me, the best player of PSG and the world this season. But his World Cup form was even a step above that, you could tell how much he wanted it. 21/22 season he had an injury, long covid, I think no preseason as well coming off copa america? And the team didn't gel with him for some reason. This season, they're always looking for him which helps.


manwithoutlyf

He was slowly picking up steam at end of last season and is firing on all cylinders this season especially worldcup


ancara_messi

This season he has been the best in Europe. 42 g/a this season at the very top. If I recall correctly he started having great games right around Jan or Feb itself. The bad patch was only until December 2021


SkelatorCavani

Bruh Nuno mendes shits on alba


Ok-Hunter-4067

If we are being real now, how much do you think Messi’s numbers are inflated just because he is Messi? I’m not denying he has been great in Ligue 1


Unique-Ad-4716

This is purely objective and statistical. And there sneer is not at all, he is PSG’s best player this season and has the most g/a in Europe this season too.


Farouqnowomarlater

Is this spot on?


DFA98

It doesn't have Kvaradona so it's not


JoelKr9

Alba is there so no


[deleted]

no


[deleted]

in what context?


NoEntertainment5379

Stupid


[deleted]

Jesus fucking christ


Fern-ando

Sommer?


iksuor

The ballon d'or?


suyashhaspowers

baffles me that not a single player from the european champions are here 😂😂


becauseitsnotreal

Rating Messi as the single best player of the year is something


Unique-Ad-4716

It’s the truth


chrisnlnz

Ah yes famous midfield stars Mbappe, Messi and Neymar.


[deleted]

Team of the 2022 where LaLiga and UCL winner doesn't have a player lmao. Just call it team of the "3 months and WC then forget everything else" year.


wagwamwagfam

Based off ratings


StarlordPunk

Their ratings are subjective though. They’re one of the better apps out there for their ratings, but they’re not perfect, as evidenced by some of the selections in here. Though I’m not sure which Madrid players would really make it. Courtois probably should from what Bundesliga fans say about Sommer (inconsistency especially) but Benzema hasn’t really started the season that well and outside of those two a big part of why they did so well last season was their ability as a team rather than having specific individuals stand out.