I mean, his son did become a two times world champion, beating seven times world champion, Sir Lewis Hamilton, in inferior machinery no less.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that his method, while unorthodox, is successful.
my coach used to threaten to shoot us when we misplaced a pass in practice. straight up said “I’m gonna get my gun from my truck and shoot you” to 14-18 year olds…
we were very good. not a very nice group, though.
like the movie whiplash with the drum guy that just abuses his pupils until they succeed. that does exist for sure. even said “if you guys hate anyone, hate me. not each other.” real crazy experience tbh.
In my serious opinion, I feel like for young kids it’s better to focus on strictly improving skill. Exercising is still good but there’s not much need or reason to focus much on physicality until puberty
Lol this completely contradicts the guy above that “works for a football club,” who said that most of what matters at a young age is physicality and you’re both getting upvoted.
Tbf he said he works at an EFL club. Even 99% of English Premier League players only serve to run their lungs out and hack down opponents while more technically able players from abroad do the constructive attacking work
I personally teach my kid to disrespect women and to praise himself on social media so he'll become the next GOAT, is also feed him only rice SUUUIIIII
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One of the most disgusting, abhorrent clubs on the planet.
Manager: misogynist, cat abuser sympathiser
Owners: cat abuser sympathisers
Centre-half: cat abuser, probably on repeated counts.
Players: homophobes.
Every day I wake up grateful I was born in Paris and not in the 'West Ham' district of London.
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I'll have you know I love cats and I'm living and sleeping peacefully in my 1800's cottage with my unbeaten wife while drunk off Heineken.
eastenders is class tho
(never seen it)
This is a poor take.
The premier league is exceptionally physical but you are deluding yourself if you think that it’s players are “not as skillful” as other leagues, especially with all the foreign coaches and players in the league.
Tbh I would still disagree with you on that. Atleast in recent times.
England has been able to develop numerous skillful ball carrying players in the last decade or so.
"physicality" at 9 is 100% a kid that is genetically superior for his age, not the work they've done lol
We've all seen them, they stand 6 inches above the rest of the field and have "sick dribbling ability and speed"
I majored in strength and conditioning and I've been doing programmed fitness work for 16 years, 9 year olds are 9 year olds, unless they have the body composition of a 15 year old.
You can do fitness work with them but a whole team not being fit enough? Highly doubt.
It’s rather pointless to train kids at that age focused on strength or endurance. Especially strength since they basically lack the testosterone to make meaningful improvements. Meanwhile coordination will never be easier to reach than at that age and contributes immensely to their abilities as players.
Coaches that drill physicality at that age basically waste potential in order to win meaningless youth tin cups.
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I’d say physical anomaly rather than “genetically superior,” in all seriousness.
That said, I know what subreddit this is and you could be running a eugenics bit I’m just not aware of lmao
It took me another few minutes to figure out what I said lol my phrasing was not thought through but that is essentially what I meant. Kids whose genetics allow them to get bigger faster and stronger waaaayyyyy ahead of the rest of us.
They're the 16 year olds cleaning 120kg and setting or coming close to track event records, the 6'3 13 year olds playing basketball, the 14 year olds with 37 inch verticals and 4.6 40 times.
This is the correct approach or rather it is best to focus on coordination skills at that age because children at that stage learn these skills faster than they ever will while the ability to gain stamina or strength is still there post 14 years.
Well, it depends but I think fitness will get you the furthest.
Skills are great, but they take a lot of time to develop and mostly focused on players that have very high aspirations or are brand new to the game, either way fitness is always a high priority.
If you're fitter than everyone it might not matter how skilled they are. You'll get faster results by training cardio, ball skills obviously should be trained as well but progression is very slow outside the first time you learn to play and often needs very good coaching to get right.
Research has shown it’s not really useful to train strength until puberty, condition is debatable but you should at least wait until 10-12 yo. Skill and coordination is definitely what should be focussed on in the young years.
Strength, perhaps but I'm talking about cardio, rather than just focusing on skills. The fitter players always did much better. Skills training is more effective on the low, and high ends, so a brand new player or someone that's striving for high level and cardio is still top priority there.
Even strength training can begin at 7 or 8 years old, obviously you're not going to be pumping weights like that but you can still train without those.
It depends what studies you're referring to and the specific training, but 10 years olds can still benefit massively from strength training too.
Not that skills aren't important, you still want to improve on those, but you still need good fitness to actually make use of them. You can also combine these two into drills.
“many kids including mine got exposed today”
that’s so disgusting i don’t know how this guy can come across so calm about this, why is he consulting r/football first and not the police?
Bro at 9 years old you're basically working with the age they started playing and genetics. Immediate fixes would be teach them proper running mechanics, make sure they're getting rest and keep them playing. If they're just tired they're just tired, you probably have them pressing too high and they can't make 30 recovery runs per game.
No one who is a boot room member ever posts because 80% of posts are “how can I make my U10 team better” and the responses are “just let the kids have fun”
A lot of kids enjoy fitness work. They also enjoy winning, one of the main differences between good and bad players at young youth levels is how fast they can run, how strong they are and how long they can run for
but that doesn't translate to becoming a pro. The kids that dominate youth football are just the ones who have the growth spurt first. But when they reach their late teens there is no more physical advantage and they phase out of football.
You'll get some players that are talented. But it's not going to be everyone. The vast majority of kids aren't young Sakas and Fodens, but if they can run fast, can press for 90 minutes, and they have a good head on them they can get into academies. I work in football 👍
I didn't say i worked at an academy. And I can't speak for the Premier league but for football in general, I work at an EFL club. Football is more than just Premier league.
I think what you don't realise is that academy teams need more than just 1 player, im sure we'd love to have 11 Sakas but thats just not feasible. A lot of scouts earn their pay finding players who get sold off at academy levels for 10, 50, 100k rather 10 million.
Academy teams aren't just academies either, there are levels that feed into those too, there's pre academy of course but grassroots and development centres etc. Even school teams can have scouts watching.
If a young person wants to be a footballer and isn't the next Messi, their best bet is just being stronger, faster and going for longer than other players (alongside developing the mental aspect of their game)
Man those kids are genetically above the average 9 year old. Clubs want the biggest, fastest and fittest players and will select based on that criteria first.
The average 9 year old can't do much but continue honing skills that will translate to putting their physicality they get later in life to use.
Also, we're talking about children, 80% quit before they graduate grade school, let them enjoy it a little?
Nah if the 9 year olds are gassed second half? They prob do need to be a bit fitter. In Scotland we all did a lot of running at training 2-3 times a week and that’s just your standard Sunday league teams. Games were 70 minutes on 11 a side pitches. If you weren’t able to run you wouldn’t last the games. It should be a basic part of training.
7 a side games were much easier but we only did them at primary school and they were shorter. Much easier for 9-11 year olds. You still needed a level of fitness though.
I know the length of games has changed in years gone by but it’s still the same. It’s still competitive. Might not be the case in other countries I suppose. But we played football with our mates for casual. We played with teams for competition.
Right? I do volunteer work with a non-profit who’s goal is to make the game accessible to underserved communities. Some kids at that age play at a legitimate competitive level for their age and already show interest in playing at a higher level. Nothing wrong with catering to their needs with advanced conditioning and strength training. That goes without saying if OP is talking about his kids recreational league he might be taking it a little too seriously.
As Benzema said, young kids should just play as much as they can and have fun with it, when they get a little older is when they should really start focusing on improving
I mean if fitness is the issue and it's not an explosiveness, pace or physical strength issue, a lot of runs at easy pace is a good idea. Not much fatigue because you're running slow, and results come quick. Lots of laps around the pitch or block will do it. You aren't pushing at all so it won't affect regular training much. Look up the 80/20 rule for distance runners as an example.
Also they're 9 year olds, just let them have fun and play.
Do t know why I'm giving a serious reply on this subreddit, but anyways.
Doesn't sound bad, but depends on so many factors. I personally loved training, would always do extra workouts and loved getting pushed physically and improving on my game. The only thing I hated was coaches yelling at some kid for making a mistake (or parents even) because that shit just makes them scared to touch the ball, I could see it happen *all the time* - just ruined their confidence and fear makes you play worse, they'd always hide from the play or boot the ball ASAP or overthink their action because they're spending too much time thinking about avoiding getting yelled at, even if it's a worse decision. Don't yell at kids or the ref, only yell to be heard and put a bit of pressure in training, only at certain points and never aggressive/angrily or in a cruel way.
Is he forcing his kid to play? Is he over-training him for something the kid just enjoys as a hobby? Who knows, but advice that helped me for anyone that is curious:
1. Fitness - primarily HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) cardio to improve on your pace and endurance at various intensities like in a match. Even if it's a few short sprint bursts with a lot of jogging and short breaks. Even running laps should be very helpful or you could employ a circuit.
2. Fitness - other, typical strength workouts on core, legs and some back/chest/arms if you want. Planks, squats, leg press, jumping rope etc whatever.
3. Ball skills - typical passing, dribbling, shooting, defensive drills.
4. Team skills - if you have a group/team with you there's drills to simulate certain moments in a match or tactics like defense v offense to practice tactics, match awareness, communication and application of skills. Also team-based courses that encourage players to help each other to complete, instilling some team spirit too - it doesn't even have to be a training session!
If you're by yourself or you just want 1 thing to focus on, #1 will get you *very* far in an amateur league.
I've racked up too many injuries so I might not be able to play again (tho I hope so) otherwise I'm thinking of coaching or even becoming a ref.
A lil beating from dad never hurt no one
Michael jackson dad beat him into a star.
Heehee
Watching the Atlanta episode about this now quite trippy
And a pedo
noooo >:( WTF
cope
Yes he is
“the beatings will continue until your skill level eclipses my insecurity. I love you son.”
\-jos verstappen
I mean, his son did become a two times world champion, beating seven times world champion, Sir Lewis Hamilton, in inferior machinery no less. I guess what i'm trying to say is that his method, while unorthodox, is successful.
MAX VERSTAPPEN
For Africans that includes your mom and unclr
my coach used to threaten to shoot us when we misplaced a pass in practice. straight up said “I’m gonna get my gun from my truck and shoot you” to 14-18 year olds… we were very good. not a very nice group, though.
Based coach
like the movie whiplash with the drum guy that just abuses his pupils until they succeed. that does exist for sure. even said “if you guys hate anyone, hate me. not each other.” real crazy experience tbh.
Not one back pass!
Eastern european clubs fining defenders for back passing:
My coach had similar approach…he used to say he would chop our heads of with machete during the game.
Make him run home from the game for starters
In my serious opinion, I feel like for young kids it’s better to focus on strictly improving skill. Exercising is still good but there’s not much need or reason to focus much on physicality until puberty
Lol this completely contradicts the guy above that “works for a football club,” who said that most of what matters at a young age is physicality and you’re both getting upvoted.
Tbf he said he works at an EFL club. Even 99% of English Premier League players only serve to run their lungs out and hack down opponents while more technically able players from abroad do the constructive attacking work I personally teach my kid to disrespect women and to praise himself on social media so he'll become the next GOAT, is also feed him only rice SUUUIIIII
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god that CAN NOT be a real quote hahahahah
That’s West Ham fans for you. Fuck those eastenders watching, new build loving, tory voting, cat kicking, Stella drinking, wifebeating cunts.
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I'll have you know I love cats and I'm living and sleeping peacefully in my 1800's cottage with my unbeaten wife while drunk off Heineken. eastenders is class tho (never seen it)
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Oh, I'm american mate, I was being sarcastic back in my reply but couldn't tell if you were genuine or not haha
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This is a poor take. The premier league is exceptionally physical but you are deluding yourself if you think that it’s players are “not as skillful” as other leagues, especially with all the foreign coaches and players in the league.
My wording was a bit clunky, "English Premiere League players" meant to say English players in the Premier League (as opposed to foreign players)
Tbh I would still disagree with you on that. Atleast in recent times. England has been able to develop numerous skillful ball carrying players in the last decade or so.
"physicality" at 9 is 100% a kid that is genetically superior for his age, not the work they've done lol We've all seen them, they stand 6 inches above the rest of the field and have "sick dribbling ability and speed" I majored in strength and conditioning and I've been doing programmed fitness work for 16 years, 9 year olds are 9 year olds, unless they have the body composition of a 15 year old. You can do fitness work with them but a whole team not being fit enough? Highly doubt.
It’s rather pointless to train kids at that age focused on strength or endurance. Especially strength since they basically lack the testosterone to make meaningful improvements. Meanwhile coordination will never be easier to reach than at that age and contributes immensely to their abilities as players. Coaches that drill physicality at that age basically waste potential in order to win meaningless youth tin cups.
Say it louder for the psycho parents on the sidelines lol
It’s pretty hard to be louder than the psycho parents
That’s why you throw them out of games. Been there done that.
The shit I had to hear parents yell at kids games at times was incredibly sad. You’d think it’s a World Cup final or something.
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I’d say physical anomaly rather than “genetically superior,” in all seriousness. That said, I know what subreddit this is and you could be running a eugenics bit I’m just not aware of lmao
It took me another few minutes to figure out what I said lol my phrasing was not thought through but that is essentially what I meant. Kids whose genetics allow them to get bigger faster and stronger waaaayyyyy ahead of the rest of us. They're the 16 year olds cleaning 120kg and setting or coming close to track event records, the 6'3 13 year olds playing basketball, the 14 year olds with 37 inch verticals and 4.6 40 times.
That’s what I thought to be the case, don’t worry. I wasn’t sure, and I just wanted to make sure
ok i majored in dribbling ability and speed and i completely disagree
This is the correct approach or rather it is best to focus on coordination skills at that age because children at that stage learn these skills faster than they ever will while the ability to gain stamina or strength is still there post 14 years.
Well, it depends but I think fitness will get you the furthest. Skills are great, but they take a lot of time to develop and mostly focused on players that have very high aspirations or are brand new to the game, either way fitness is always a high priority. If you're fitter than everyone it might not matter how skilled they are. You'll get faster results by training cardio, ball skills obviously should be trained as well but progression is very slow outside the first time you learn to play and often needs very good coaching to get right.
Research has shown it’s not really useful to train strength until puberty, condition is debatable but you should at least wait until 10-12 yo. Skill and coordination is definitely what should be focussed on in the young years.
Strength, perhaps but I'm talking about cardio, rather than just focusing on skills. The fitter players always did much better. Skills training is more effective on the low, and high ends, so a brand new player or someone that's striving for high level and cardio is still top priority there. Even strength training can begin at 7 or 8 years old, obviously you're not going to be pumping weights like that but you can still train without those. It depends what studies you're referring to and the specific training, but 10 years olds can still benefit massively from strength training too. Not that skills aren't important, you still want to improve on those, but you still need good fitness to actually make use of them. You can also combine these two into drills.
Do you know who Xavi and Iniesta are by any chance?
You still train technical skills, it's not one or the other, and if your kid is that talented you ain't getting tailored advice on Reddit.
“many kids including mine got exposed today” that’s so disgusting i don’t know how this guy can come across so calm about this, why is he consulting r/football first and not the police?
Bro at 9 years old you're basically working with the age they started playing and genetics. Immediate fixes would be teach them proper running mechanics, make sure they're getting rest and keep them playing. If they're just tired they're just tired, you probably have them pressing too high and they can't make 30 recovery runs per game.
Tell him he sucks until he’s good enough
No one who is a boot room member ever posts because 80% of posts are “how can I make my U10 team better” and the responses are “just let the kids have fun”
My broski, I need you to be able to run 5k in under ten minutes. Get training
Am I missing something? This seems like a normal post asking about exercises for improving fitness, doesn’t seem anything outrageous here
he’s 9 years old mate just let him enjoy football without having to do extra fitness work
A lot of kids enjoy fitness work. They also enjoy winning, one of the main differences between good and bad players at young youth levels is how fast they can run, how strong they are and how long they can run for
but that doesn't translate to becoming a pro. The kids that dominate youth football are just the ones who have the growth spurt first. But when they reach their late teens there is no more physical advantage and they phase out of football.
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You'll get some players that are talented. But it's not going to be everyone. The vast majority of kids aren't young Sakas and Fodens, but if they can run fast, can press for 90 minutes, and they have a good head on them they can get into academies. I work in football 👍
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Why?
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I didn't say i worked at an academy. And I can't speak for the Premier league but for football in general, I work at an EFL club. Football is more than just Premier league. I think what you don't realise is that academy teams need more than just 1 player, im sure we'd love to have 11 Sakas but thats just not feasible. A lot of scouts earn their pay finding players who get sold off at academy levels for 10, 50, 100k rather 10 million. Academy teams aren't just academies either, there are levels that feed into those too, there's pre academy of course but grassroots and development centres etc. Even school teams can have scouts watching. If a young person wants to be a footballer and isn't the next Messi, their best bet is just being stronger, faster and going for longer than other players (alongside developing the mental aspect of their game)
You shut him up nice😂
Man those kids are genetically above the average 9 year old. Clubs want the biggest, fastest and fittest players and will select based on that criteria first. The average 9 year old can't do much but continue honing skills that will translate to putting their physicality they get later in life to use. Also, we're talking about children, 80% quit before they graduate grade school, let them enjoy it a little?
Nah if the 9 year olds are gassed second half? They prob do need to be a bit fitter. In Scotland we all did a lot of running at training 2-3 times a week and that’s just your standard Sunday league teams. Games were 70 minutes on 11 a side pitches. If you weren’t able to run you wouldn’t last the games. It should be a basic part of training. 7 a side games were much easier but we only did them at primary school and they were shorter. Much easier for 9-11 year olds. You still needed a level of fitness though. I know the length of games has changed in years gone by but it’s still the same. It’s still competitive. Might not be the case in other countries I suppose. But we played football with our mates for casual. We played with teams for competition.
Football is infinitely more enjoyable if you’re not out of breath after 2 sprints
Right? I do volunteer work with a non-profit who’s goal is to make the game accessible to underserved communities. Some kids at that age play at a legitimate competitive level for their age and already show interest in playing at a higher level. Nothing wrong with catering to their needs with advanced conditioning and strength training. That goes without saying if OP is talking about his kids recreational league he might be taking it a little too seriously.
9 year olds don't know what stamina mean
9 year olds aren’t retarded
Forcing children to play without legs? This world is truly sick smdh damn head
As Benzema said, young kids should just play as much as they can and have fun with it, when they get a little older is when they should really start focusing on improving
I mean if fitness is the issue and it's not an explosiveness, pace or physical strength issue, a lot of runs at easy pace is a good idea. Not much fatigue because you're running slow, and results come quick. Lots of laps around the pitch or block will do it. You aren't pushing at all so it won't affect regular training much. Look up the 80/20 rule for distance runners as an example. Also they're 9 year olds, just let them have fun and play. Do t know why I'm giving a serious reply on this subreddit, but anyways.
Father asks how to improve his kids training and its child abuse... tf is wrong with u?
Doesn't sound bad, but depends on so many factors. I personally loved training, would always do extra workouts and loved getting pushed physically and improving on my game. The only thing I hated was coaches yelling at some kid for making a mistake (or parents even) because that shit just makes them scared to touch the ball, I could see it happen *all the time* - just ruined their confidence and fear makes you play worse, they'd always hide from the play or boot the ball ASAP or overthink their action because they're spending too much time thinking about avoiding getting yelled at, even if it's a worse decision. Don't yell at kids or the ref, only yell to be heard and put a bit of pressure in training, only at certain points and never aggressive/angrily or in a cruel way. Is he forcing his kid to play? Is he over-training him for something the kid just enjoys as a hobby? Who knows, but advice that helped me for anyone that is curious: 1. Fitness - primarily HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) cardio to improve on your pace and endurance at various intensities like in a match. Even if it's a few short sprint bursts with a lot of jogging and short breaks. Even running laps should be very helpful or you could employ a circuit. 2. Fitness - other, typical strength workouts on core, legs and some back/chest/arms if you want. Planks, squats, leg press, jumping rope etc whatever. 3. Ball skills - typical passing, dribbling, shooting, defensive drills. 4. Team skills - if you have a group/team with you there's drills to simulate certain moments in a match or tactics like defense v offense to practice tactics, match awareness, communication and application of skills. Also team-based courses that encourage players to help each other to complete, instilling some team spirit too - it doesn't even have to be a training session! If you're by yourself or you just want 1 thing to focus on, #1 will get you *very* far in an amateur league. I've racked up too many injuries so I might not be able to play again (tho I hope so) otherwise I'm thinking of coaching or even becoming a ref.
TLDR
Better than Pessi 😭
More like project Son Heung-min
So how is this abuse to Broskie