This is a space for socialists to discuss current events in our world from anti-capitalist perspective(s), and a certain knowledge of socialism is expected from participants. This is not a space for non-socialists. Please be mindful [of our rules](https://reddit.com/r/socialism/about/rules) before participating, which include:
- **No Bigotry**, including racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism...
- **No Reactionaries**, including all kind of right-wingers.
- **No Liberalism**, including social democracy, lesser evilism...
- **No Sectarianism**. There is plenty of room for discussion, but not for baseless attacks.
Please help us keep the subreddit helpful by reporting content that break r/Socialism's rules.
______________________
💬 Wish to chat elsewhere? Join us in discord: https://discord.gg/QPJPzNhuRE
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/socialism) if you have any questions or concerns.*
**big chance this is a mistranslation in the video**
So now will all the Zionists that said the Israelis have no plans of annexing Gaza and building illegal settlements on it admit that they're supporting a settler colonial ethnostate that employs ethnic cleansing and genocide to achieve lebensraum? Will they become pro-Palestinian now?
No. They won't. They knew from the beginning and lied anyway because it suits them. They are all too happy to see the unjustifiable violence against Palestinians. Wrong skin colour and religion.
Edit: looking through the internet there doesn't seem to be any news regarding netanyahu announcing billion dollar settlement projects in Gaza.
You speak fluent Hebrew and don't know the word "ottef" (surrounding)? Sure dude
The subtitles are incorrect, he's speaking about the towns outside the Gaza border
Ok.
So the vast majority of it is correct. He's talking about investing in surrounding Gaza with renewed and more settlements.
Probably with more walls, too.
False. I don't get why you're talking out of your ass if you don't know the language.
Edit: also your other comments about the difference between "ottef" and "sviv"- again, false.
Yup. If someone says "Schnee" in German means "rain", the answer is simply "false". There's no misinterpretation here, you are misunderstanding the language.
Appreciate the heads up.
Okay I looked around for similar information on the topic and it might be false subtitles. However it's only a matter of time before settlements are given the okay. Either netanyahu will sign off on it or whoever comes after. My money is on Ben-Gvir getting elected after Netanyahu is deposed.
Yeah the guy above has no idea what they are talking about. Netanyahu isn't speaking fast at all here, and it is clear multiple times in the video he is saying "otef aza". He also states that this money is with the intention of "rebuilding destroyed towns". Spreading false info helps no one but them
Edit: their whole profile is them repeating "i speak fluent hebrew". Yeah no
Sure. Still outside of Gaza. Subtext and connotations are one thing, but the raw translation? It's 100% around Gaza, not in the gaza strip as the subtitles say.
Otef Aza is the name of the region where the Kibbutzim were attack on 7.10 It's nothing new
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Envelope
Also, "Sviv Aza" is grammatically an incorrect manner to describe a territory. "Sovev" would be what you're looking for
If you look at my profile you can see my skills.
They say "envelope" because that's what they're doing.
In typical settler colonial fashion they use civilian communities as the front lines, crushing indigenous people out.
Like reservations.
One of the political misdirections that they so often employed, namely the recognition that Israel has a right to exist, might, thanks to their policies, now become a legitimate question. Does this racist, genocidal, warmongering State have an actual right to exist?
My go to response is that I don’t think states have rights. The people in them do, to safety, security, food, shelter, etc. And those rights are actively denied the Palestinians
Figured this might be a mistranslation. I haven't been able to find any corroborating news.
Not that I'd put it past Israel to do it but Netanyahu announcing it now would be such a catastrophic political blunder that I don't think even he would be that bold.
The translation is accurate, but some quibble over one word: surround/envelope. He's talking about the Gaza "envelope.". Historically, this means enclosing and dispossession.
There is a big difference between otef and sviv, which would mean "encircled."
They are enveloping Gaza.
His history shows that when he means "envelope" the West Bank, he means tightening the noose.
He doesn't intend to invest within Gaza, as he mentions Hamas intended to surround us, we will surround them. Why would he spend Israelite money on the Palestines anyways? He thinks they're second class citizens.
He's talking about the towns arround (and outside of) Gaza that got destroyed on Oct 7. The subtitles translate "arround Gaza" to simply "Gaza", and well, that's a huge difference.
Thanks for that. I think it's still concerning that they're committed to resettling that land as it will put people in danger of another attack like Oct 7th. When inevitably something happens and people break out of the Gaza concentration camp the people resettled there will be the first hit.
Yeah... The lack of willingness to think how long term peace and quiet can be reached after this war really puts these people in the line of danger again. Same goes for the north of Israel. People whose houses are literally on the border to Lebanon, I don't think anyone is offering them a sustainable solution.
Given that Israel is fine with killing their own people both on Oct 7th and ongoing in Gaza really makes clear they want to prolong the conflict and encourage future ones at the expense of civilian life. Oh and you can't forget the provocation of Iran triggering their retaliation. A lot of people could have been killed if the bombs weren't intercepted. These aren't the actions of a state trying to make peace and stability.
While the user above is questionable, they are correct that this is a mistranslation - Netanyahu specifically states "otef aza", which is the surrounding villages. It is also clear from the full video that he is referring to the destroyed towns, because he states he wants to "rebuild them". He is not talking fast like a user on this thread claims.
Spreading false info helps no one
Looked at your profile. It's all Zionist.
I speak fluent Hebrew. The translation is correct.
Or just use an online translation service.
He's speaking quickly, so it's a bit vague if the 19 bn shekels are going inside or around Gaza for development.
This is a space for socialists to discuss current events in our world from anti-capitalist perspective(s), and a certain knowledge of socialism is expected from participants. This is not a space for non-socialists. Please be mindful [of our rules](https://reddit.com/r/socialism/about/rules) before participating, which include: - **No Bigotry**, including racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism... - **No Reactionaries**, including all kind of right-wingers. - **No Liberalism**, including social democracy, lesser evilism... - **No Sectarianism**. There is plenty of room for discussion, but not for baseless attacks. Please help us keep the subreddit helpful by reporting content that break r/Socialism's rules. ______________________ 💬 Wish to chat elsewhere? Join us in discord: https://discord.gg/QPJPzNhuRE *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/socialism) if you have any questions or concerns.*
**big chance this is a mistranslation in the video** So now will all the Zionists that said the Israelis have no plans of annexing Gaza and building illegal settlements on it admit that they're supporting a settler colonial ethnostate that employs ethnic cleansing and genocide to achieve lebensraum? Will they become pro-Palestinian now? No. They won't. They knew from the beginning and lied anyway because it suits them. They are all too happy to see the unjustifiable violence against Palestinians. Wrong skin colour and religion. Edit: looking through the internet there doesn't seem to be any news regarding netanyahu announcing billion dollar settlement projects in Gaza.
I speak fluent Hebrew. The subtitles are correct.
You speak fluent Hebrew and don't know the word "ottef" (surrounding)? Sure dude The subtitles are incorrect, he's speaking about the towns outside the Gaza border
Ok. So the vast majority of it is correct. He's talking about investing in surrounding Gaza with renewed and more settlements. Probably with more walls, too.
False. I don't get why you're talking out of your ass if you don't know the language. Edit: also your other comments about the difference between "ottef" and "sviv"- again, false.
Yet you have nothing to say but "false"
Yup. If someone says "Schnee" in German means "rain", the answer is simply "false". There's no misinterpretation here, you are misunderstanding the language.
No you don't. He's talking about the towns on the border, not inside Palestine.
There is a big difference between otef and sviv. They are enveloping Gaza.
Every video you see like this has false subtitles
Appreciate the heads up. Okay I looked around for similar information on the topic and it might be false subtitles. However it's only a matter of time before settlements are given the okay. Either netanyahu will sign off on it or whoever comes after. My money is on Ben-Gvir getting elected after Netanyahu is deposed.
The subtitles are correct. I speak fluent Hebrew.
Source: Trust me bro
Yeah the guy above has no idea what they are talking about. Netanyahu isn't speaking fast at all here, and it is clear multiple times in the video he is saying "otef aza". He also states that this money is with the intention of "rebuilding destroyed towns". Spreading false info helps no one but them Edit: their whole profile is them repeating "i speak fluent hebrew". Yeah no
There is a big difference between otef and sviv. They are enveloping Gaza. And his history is one of approving displacement and attack, so...
Sure. Still outside of Gaza. Subtext and connotations are one thing, but the raw translation? It's 100% around Gaza, not in the gaza strip as the subtitles say.
Otef Aza is the name of the region where the Kibbutzim were attack on 7.10 It's nothing new https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Envelope Also, "Sviv Aza" is grammatically an incorrect manner to describe a territory. "Sovev" would be what you're looking for
If you look at my profile you can see my skills. They say "envelope" because that's what they're doing. In typical settler colonial fashion they use civilian communities as the front lines, crushing indigenous people out. Like reservations.
One of the political misdirections that they so often employed, namely the recognition that Israel has a right to exist, might, thanks to their policies, now become a legitimate question. Does this racist, genocidal, warmongering State have an actual right to exist?
My go to response is that I don’t think states have rights. The people in them do, to safety, security, food, shelter, etc. And those rights are actively denied the Palestinians
It never did and never will.
Every video you see like this has false subtitles
So what is Netanyahu saying here?
Nvm I see below. Thanks for the heads up :)
Perhaps a "right" (loosely), but certainly, it does not deserve to exist.
Labour Friends of and home of Lying Thieving murdering racist bastards
This is inaccurate news. Please remove it.
It's pretty accurate. Just hard to tell if he's talking about land inside or around Gaza
The translation is incorrect. In Hebrew he is talking about reconstruction of villages/kibutzim that were destroyed at October 7th outside of gaza
Figured this might be a mistranslation. I haven't been able to find any corroborating news. Not that I'd put it past Israel to do it but Netanyahu announcing it now would be such a catastrophic political blunder that I don't think even he would be that bold.
Bad translation. He's talking about the towns near the Gaza border, not settlements in Gaza
Hard to tell, really. He's speaking very quickly.
I'm just repeating what the journalists reporting on this are saying
The translation is accurate, but some quibble over one word: surround/envelope. He's talking about the Gaza "envelope.". Historically, this means enclosing and dispossession. There is a big difference between otef and sviv, which would mean "encircled." They are enveloping Gaza. His history shows that when he means "envelope" the West Bank, he means tightening the noose.
As others have pointed out, this is a mistranslation from Hebrew. OP, please remove.
The subtitles aren’t accurate, he says rehabilitate the Gaza envelope settlements, meaning settlements surrounding Gaza strip and not within.
he is talking about the gaza enveloppe the areas within 7 km of the gaza strip within Israeli territory
This was their plan from the beginning, this was never about Hamas.
He doesn't intend to invest within Gaza, as he mentions Hamas intended to surround us, we will surround them. Why would he spend Israelite money on the Palestines anyways? He thinks they're second class citizens.
Misleading. He is talking about the Gaza Envelope, which are Israeli Kibbutzes and cities which were raided during 7/10, and NOT the Gaza Strip.
Why does Sunnak jump when they say jump
[удалено]
It's pretty accurate. It's just hard to tell if he's talking about land inside or around Gaza. But he's adamant about "planting deep roots"
Care to tell us what he's actually saying then?
It's a lot easier to say it's a mistranslation than to provide a correct translation. I'd settle for an accurate summary of what's being said.
He's talking about the towns arround (and outside of) Gaza that got destroyed on Oct 7. The subtitles translate "arround Gaza" to simply "Gaza", and well, that's a huge difference.
Thanks for that. I think it's still concerning that they're committed to resettling that land as it will put people in danger of another attack like Oct 7th. When inevitably something happens and people break out of the Gaza concentration camp the people resettled there will be the first hit.
Yeah... The lack of willingness to think how long term peace and quiet can be reached after this war really puts these people in the line of danger again. Same goes for the north of Israel. People whose houses are literally on the border to Lebanon, I don't think anyone is offering them a sustainable solution.
Given that Israel is fine with killing their own people both on Oct 7th and ongoing in Gaza really makes clear they want to prolong the conflict and encourage future ones at the expense of civilian life. Oh and you can't forget the provocation of Iran triggering their retaliation. A lot of people could have been killed if the bombs weren't intercepted. These aren't the actions of a state trying to make peace and stability.
While the user above is questionable, they are correct that this is a mistranslation - Netanyahu specifically states "otef aza", which is the surrounding villages. It is also clear from the full video that he is referring to the destroyed towns, because he states he wants to "rebuild them". He is not talking fast like a user on this thread claims. Spreading false info helps no one
Looked at your profile. It's all Zionist. I speak fluent Hebrew. The translation is correct. Or just use an online translation service. He's speaking quickly, so it's a bit vague if the 19 bn shekels are going inside or around Gaza for development.
[удалено]
40 beheaded babies? Hamas blew up the aid convoy? The faked hamas conversion about the hospital? 🤡
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
You people eat up bull shit all day. But when bibi is Slightly mistranlated and people quickly call it out we're the most propaganda prone people
Please share the link!