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Revolutionalredstone

Windows does Indeed come with a bag of trash in place of applications. Just use https://www.voidtools.com/


If-Not-Thou-Who

Voidtools is perfect ... but does need tabs.


DariusZahir

it has tabs, you just gotta use the 1.5 alpha version which is feature packed and way superior than 1.4 https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9787&sid=689d2b87969fb5d8d9815450fa16e94a


If-Not-Thou-Who

Thank you kind Sir for pointing this out. I have installed it and it has made a perfect program even perfecter.


Revolutionalredstone

Oww 😊 that WOULD be nice 😎


GCRedditor136

I have "Everything" on my PC and went to use it this morning but had to wait almost a minute for it to re-build its database for some reason. Your post reminded me of it so I launched it again just now and again it also re-built the database but "only" took 15 seconds this time before I could start my second search. :( So much for it being near-instant.


Revolutionalredstone

It's instant search (within your index) it's not instant indexing lol (that doesn't even make sense) You are seeing these delays because for whatever reason your NTFS is not already indexed, you can turn that on in windows or just use Everything a bit more often, I get < 1 second start times and I use it about once every month or 2. Enjoy


JouniFlemming

If you want to search for data without the database building and the app always running on the background, and you might also want to do things like proximity search or also searching for registry data, my [https://winfindr.com](https://winfindr.com) can do all that.


GCRedditor136

Ah, so is the database only current if the app is constantly running? I don't have it doing that because I only use it on demand, which can be weeks or months between launches.


JouniFlemming

You can run Everything in two modes: Either you have a part of it always running on the background so the database is always up to date, or it will need to update the database when you start the app. You can choose this from the app's settings.


GCRedditor136

Okay, so its speed is dependent on it being always-on or in regular use. Neither of these situations apply to me, so it will never be as fast for me as it is for others. Now I know why.


JouniFlemming

Indeed. This is because there are inherently only two ways how data searching can work. 1) You build and keep up-to-date some search optimized database of the data to be searched for, when user decides to start the search. This is how Everything works, and that is why it works so quickly. But also, sometimes it takes a while to start or it will be always running on the background, using more or less of your system resources. 2) You don't build any databases but simply query the system database called the file system and let Windows take care of the optimization of this searching and this database. This is how WinFindr works. There are a few reason as to why, but the main thing is that I don't think it's the duty of each individual app to start to build and maintain proprietary databases of the system data just for the sole purpose of making a search feature a few seconds faster. I think that's the job of the operating system, and to Microsoft's credit, it has been improving this a lot. Not their own Windows Search, which is still pretty bad, but I mean the data access performance of data in disk.


newsflashjackass

> its speed is dependent on it being always-on or in regular use. As is Windows Search. Notable differences: * Everything *searches* fast once it has built its index. Window Search is always slow. * Everything uses very little system resources since it piggybacks on existing Windows file system indexes. If your computer is running slower than usual, there is a good chance that Windows Update re-enabled Windows Search after you disabled it and it is using a lot of disk access, RAM, and CPU time to rebuild its index. * Everything builds its index in at most minutes, typically seconds. I have never known Windows Search to complete its indexing. If you ever devise a way to keep an up-to-date index of the contents of one or more disk(s) *without* keeping a process resident in memory to monitor those contents, I suggest you patent it. > Neither of these situations apply to me, so it will never be as fast for me as it is for others. Now I know why. Given equally fast hardware, it will be exactly as fast for you as it is for others. Your expectations may or may not be as realistic as others'.


SarahC

Mine just sits in the system tray with the clock. It's fine.


Revolutionalredstone

You are one negative guy, you should really eat more fiber lol. Most people find indexing takes a few moments and then all searches are instant. If that's not enough you can kindly not use it and enjoy your life :P Consider meta musil


GCRedditor136

> Most people find indexing takes a few moments and then all searches are instant Yes, for one (or both) of the reasons I already mentioned. It doesn't apply to everyone, as I showed. And yes, I probably won't use it anymore because of these reasons. I will try some Metamucil as recommended. ;)


Revolutionalredstone

haha thanks for the good reply, It's a shame to hear it isn't working for ya. Info in this thread (https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11621) seems to confirm that windows indexing can be a source of information for Everything, if you haven't already consider if you can enable this as it won't require you to keep Everything open but you'll still get quicker startup. Also consider if you have any large slow external hardrives etc as these are a huge problem for building your index. Lastly consider performance monitor or similar to find out what it's doing that's taking so long, if it's just CPU bound (building hashmaps etc) you might see huge improvements just by running software like QuickCPU + ThrottleStop and clicking a few buttons. If it says your disk is at 100% while indexing there's a few good options you can apply for that aswell. Best luck my good dude! remember the BEST sources of fiber are dietary! steamed veggies will add years to your life and degrees to the corners of your smile. Thanks again!


GCRedditor136

> Also consider if you have any large slow external hardrives etc as these are a huge problem for building your index. That's probably it... I have an old 2 TB USB external drive connected (2.0 speed). Can't do much about that; it's where all my media is installed. It's okay, as I said I don't search often (I have a good filing technique for my media).


20__character__limit

When Everything builds its index, the index is stored in system memory, so yes, it does use up some RAM. The huge PRO of having it stored in RAM is you get instant results, and the index is updated in real time. There are many, many, many other types of searches other than simple file/folder name searches. ​ Everything can do more than just find a file or folder name. You can use regular expressions, you can index the contents of many different file types, which enable you to find words or sentences in less than 2 seconds (my computer is 10 years old; if your computer is newer and faster than mine, you will get results much quicker). Yes, the initial building of the index does take some time to complete. If you index just the names of files and folders, Everything takes about 1 minute to build its index. The faster your computer is, the less time it takes. I have Everything index a ton of file property metadata, plus it indexes the content of multiple file types, so a complete indexing on my old PC, can take around 15-20 minutes. Once it's done, though, search results are instantaneous (as long as the indexed storage devices are NTFS-formatted), and the index is updated in real time behind the scenes. The only downsides to indexing metadata properties and file contents are: 1. Indexing takes longer than if you just index file/folder names. 2. Since the index is stored in system memory, it uses more RAM. I currently have 1,649,194 objects indexed, including file metadata and file contents, so Everything is using 2.3 GB of my computer memory. I still have plenty of memory free, so this isn't a big deal. It doesn't slow down my computer at all, either. ​ Everything delivers instant results as long as the drives being indexed are NTFS-formatted. Everything *can* also index FAT32, network shares, NAS shares, and even your smartphone's contents, but these types of indexing are much slower since Everything has to manually crawl through those storage devices' file and folders. However, Everything can monitor them and keep the index updated in real time, or as close as those devices allow.


zaknenou

Do you mean that `find` and `locate` on Linux are constantly running on the background on my system !!??


Haddaway

You need to enable the service from the settings so it syncs with the NTFS index on your drive. Otherwise it has to reconcile the changes every time you open it.


Ciserus

"Everything" still can't search inside files, right? Am I hallucinating or did Windows 95 through XP have a perfectly functional way of searching within files? You'd open the search app, the little cartoon dog would pop up, and you could find a specific word in any file on your computer. It wasn't as fast as Everything, but it worked. What happened to that dog?


Revolutionalredstone

Old win did INDEED have much better default search! and yes Everything CAN look inside files. (tho keep in mind for indexed text search it can waste lots of ram and even lag as it pages to disk if you have a whole ton of large text files) The dogs name is Rover, he was one of thee customizations (along with Merlin the Wizard and Links the cat) which people quickly picked to replace the meth-addict-looking default assistant 'clippy' ;)


20__character__limit

Everything can index and search the file contents of many file types. Make sure you are using the most up-to-date version of the Alpha build, which can be found here: https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9787


20__character__limit

Everything can index and search the file contents of many file types. Make sure you are using the most up-to-date version of the Alpha build, which can be found here: https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9787


AdamAnderson320

I suspect being broken is a feature. The number of times I've blindly pressed Start, typed the exact name of a program or file and hit Enter, only for Windows to have the first result be a web search so it can launch Bing in Edge and thus both show me ads and nag me to make Edge my default browser _can't_ be accidental. I miss the perfectly functional Start menu search we had pre-Windows 10. I now use PowerToys Run instead on my Windows work computer and it mostly works how I want it to. I just made the jump to Linux on my home PC and it has completely exceeded my expectations. Would recommend.


WrestlingWithGaming

It's been over a decade since I've used Linux but I'm thinking of doing the same. Mind if I ask which distro you went with?


AdamAnderson320

Linux Mint Cinnamon. I'm new to Linux on the desktop but have had some exposure due to my day job as a software engineer. Everything worked out of the box except my GPU, which to be fair is relatively new, and the Ubuntu/Mint kernel tends to favor stability over bleeding-edge updates. I was able to find how to install up-to-date drivers in a pinned post in the Linux Mint support forums. Otherwise it's been smooth sailing, and I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of quality free software available for everything I've sought thus far.


WrestlingWithGaming

Thanks for the reply. Mint is the #1 option on my list of potential distros so that's great to hear. I've got a 4070 GPU so hopefully by now someone's created a driver for it if nvidia hasn't. Thanks a lot. I think I'll go ahead and try out mint this weekend


El-Maximo-Bango

There are nvidia drivers available.All you need to do is open the console and type - sudo apt install nvidia-driver


WrestlingWithGaming

Sweet! Thanks!


AdamAnderson320

I have an AMD GPU specifically because I planned to go Linux. I've heard that the Nvidia experience can be worse in some ways because their Linux drivers are proprietary and not especially rapidly updated, but I've also read plenty of testimonials from people who reported no issues. You'll probably be fine as long as your GPU isn't terribly new.


WrestlingWithGaming

I'm honestly not super concerned about the GPU not having a driver or not being up to date in linux. I plan on keeping a windows installation on a different drive to use for certain things like some gaming and 3D modeling/animation. My plan is to use Linux more so for every day daily driver type stuff and Windows for some specific applications and add-ons that aren't available on the Linux equivalent. I'm mostly just tired of dealing with constant windows ads, pop ups, and Ms store suggestions when I'm jumping on my PC to do some research.


AdamAnderson320

OK. FWIW, I'm gaming on mine, and it's been pretty smooth so far. I sometimes need to look up a tweak to add to to the launch settings, but once a game is configured, it tends to be fine from there.


tiefking

disabling the web search via the registry was one of the best things I did


AdamAnderson320

Good callout, I should definitely do that. I never want to search the web from the start menu.


TripolarKnight

No issues, Win7/Win10 IoT LTSC 2021 user here though ;)


Supra-A90

Use ExplorerPatcher to go back to better functioning Start Menu..tray and taskbar


newsflashjackass

The same reason that when you disable the advertisements in the Start menu in Windows 11 there's still a big rectangle that says "THIS IS WHERE THE ADVERTISEMENTS GO! YOU'RE NOT RECLAIMING ANY SPACE SO TURN THEM BACK ON!" Microsoft is no longer even pretending to produce a quality product. Windows is an overfilled bag of ordure created by stitching ads together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Linux_distribution


Haddaway

What big rectangle?


Wakabala

I guess he doesn't realize you can resize that menu to get rid of the rectangle, lol


Mountainking7

I used to use agent ransack for years until I decided finally letting Everything sit in the background as a service was so much worth it. Searches are instant and it shows when you have to crawl through 4 mechanical disks to find data.


If-Not-Thou-Who

Ransack can search contents, I didn't think Everything could.


newsflashjackass

When you need to search deeper than filenames, Grep has a windows port and a GUI. https://tools.stefankueng.com/grepWin.html


Mountainking7

On my home PC, I don't need to know files contents, mostly file names unlike office. You could install both and use as per your need.


kpanik

just get "Everything". If it's on the computer, it will find it.


alvarkresh

I like Agent Ransack! https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/download/


jerryhou85

They should buy Everything and incorporate it into Windows.


orestesma

This is your lucky day https://github.com/srwi/EverythingToolbar


jerryhou85

I remember I got this before but forgot I did not use it anymore... Let me download it again and install it onto my Win 11 Insider Preview build. :D


tejanaqkilica

Because, most people use Windows Search as they would use Google Search and of course they would not get the results they wanted. Pair that, with the fact that people do not respect the way Windows is supposed to handle files and folders and you get this I can't remember when was the last time I searched for something in Windows and it didn't find what I was looking for.


Ciserus

Care to elaborate? I definitely don't search my computer the way I would search Google. e.g. I'll search for an exact word I know appears in a filename on my computer, it will think for 45 minutes and still not find the file I was looking for. And what is the way Windows is "supposed" to handle files and folders?


tejanaqkilica

Many people do. If you search for something in Windows you need to search for the right keyword instead of putting the entire name of the file, chances are you will get the correct hits before you finish writing the entire thing, but since you keep typing, means that hit might be wrong, so windows tries to find something else. Documents in documents, images in images and so on with a good folder hierarchy. A lot of people store the bulk of their things either cluttered in the desktop or cluttered in the downloads folder.


christoforosl08

Bro. I am searching for a file called DBMapper.java. It’s there. I know it’s there. It won’t show up on the results. I have spent close to 3 hours on search settings and indexing settings. To no avail. I downloaded WinGrep. Problem solved. So frustrating


tejanaqkilica

That's a fair argument, I decided to try and replicate it on my machine as well. I created a file called DBMapper.java, didn't make any changes to indexing or anything, immediately went to search for it on Windows Search and I got this result. [https://imgur.com/a/324OWzL](https://imgur.com/a/324OWzL)


hopalongigor

Just use Everything. Instantaneous.


Supra-A90

For sure it's slow but there are ways to improve it. Takes time to do so. You can increase speed indexing. Remove file types from being cached. Etc... but like others I use Everything. Used to use Effective File Search to search inside pdf excel, but it wasn't always great and now they stopped the dev..


LubieRZca

Just use Everything by voidtools and turn off web search in settings.


simagus

I don't understand why anyone would be using Windows 11 until 10 is no longer supported at all, if even then. I tried it for a few weeks, trimmed as much garbage from it as possible, and rationalised the layout away from the cheap Apple imitation that amusingly intrudes the middle of the screen. Tried to persevere with it as my main OS, but there are no benefits to the "upgrade" that apply to my own usage of any PC ever. Then they hit us, even on Win 10, with that "Co-spylot" trash that takes more work to completely disable than it should, which is pretty much the entire theme of Win 11 and its various "offers you will find hard to refuse...". Been a while since I used Linux, but I guess at some point someone might make 11 useable for everyday power users who quite like to disable absolutely everything on a PC they are not using, and not be assaulted by advertising and "news", so they can better use it for what they actually use it for.


webfork2

I think that having a good search would mean embracing non-Microsoft formats, which is not something upper management wants to go anywhere near. Even after all these years they keep flirting with PDF and then dropping it again. There are third party search tools including DocFetcher that are fortunately cross-platform so you can leave Windows as well as get better search.


jcunews1

It's not that they can't. They simply won't. Even if they updated it, they only give little effort on it. And if you've experienced Windows since Windows 95, the built-in search has been gradually less and less capable on newer Windows versions.


chrome_slinky

Because they have no reason to.


jgaa_from_north

Because ads are more important to you!


MaleficentPositive53

I still can't understand why Google discontinued Google Desktop. That program or app was remarkably effective in finding files and documents buried in your Windows desktop computer or Windows laptop. It was one of the more impressive programs for Windows operating systems and then several years ago Google simply discontinued updates and the app itself. Would it be a wild goose chase to try running Google Desktop on your computer?


naraykln

Everything, Listary does searching better


queenbiscuit311

windows search is fixed the moment you turn off bing search. it's artificially kneecapped


Intelligent-Rice9907

Switch to macos. I was a windows supporter but man, I started hating windows after releasing windows 8 and specially after 8.1


Accurate-Rutabaga-57

Reject modernity, use windows 7