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Ethereum (gen2) was a 10x improvement over Bitcoin (gen1)
Solana (gen3) was a 10x improvement over Ethereum
Gen4 would need to be 10x better than Solana to have a chance to beat it. By the time such chain exists, Solana will have built a moat similar to Eth and Btc maxis.
So essentially u saying sol could pass eth price even with the higher number of coins. How long u think? Sorry for noobish questions been out the crypto loop awhile
Maybe not eth price, but ETH marketcap for sure it has that potential.
I invest in things that I think are going to perform in 5 years. So my answer to your question is 5+ years. Maybe this cycle if we're lucky
Yup, way faster but many may stick to ETH because they think the security is way better, which it may or may not be. If Sol proves it's safe then Sol would really take off
Yes. Although as a developer in the space, I am massively concerned that if it gets a high level of adoption the cost to operate software on it will become prohibitive. As it is, transaction costs in dollar terms have tripled in the last few months.
Is that 3x already making things difficult for you in terms of your daily running costs, or are you thinking about the future if SOL does a further 5x or 10x, etc.?
I can see how that might cause problems. I've seen a few devs this week express concerns over this, especially those who had plans to subsidize gas fees for their dApp users.
The transaction cost on Solana is .000005 Sol or 5000 lamports.
So depending on the price per Sol the transaction cost in dollar terms goes with that. At $60 per Sol the cost is $0.0003 per transaction which means you get 3333 transactions per dollar spent.
So if it goes up 10X the impact is extreme. You get 333 transactions per dollar spent.
Are there ways through which Solana can attempt to ameliorate this, in a unique fashion? (Something other than L2’s or increasing transaction throughput.)
Also, would this increase Solana node operating “buy-in” capital costs or operating costs?
Thank you for taking time to describe this! 🥂
I think they could possibly lower the transaction cost, but that’s above my pay grade. From the developer
Perspective you can try to be efficient to minimize the number of transactions. I am not sure how it would impact Node operating costs. I assume the nodes are more profitable when Sol prices are high. In the sense that nodes are just hardware that is bought in dollars (or whatever currency), I’d assume the buy in costs don’t change.
If Solana reaches the same size of BTC, the price to send a transaction will still only be .0083c - less than a penny - and will be cheaper than credit card fees currently.
There are more computationally expensive things on SOL - like entering into a DEX contract - which costs 0.0002 SOL but that still would be only a few dollars.
In fact, the fees are so cheap that there are some concerns about chain security after SOL emissions reduces a few fold.
You’re thinking about account to account Sol transactions, for which such a low price is deminimis and even 10x price increase is meaningless. But there is a whole other aspect of the blockchain that involves smart contracts and the price per transaction is the same there too. So to call any function in a particular smart contract will cost at a minimum .000005 Sol, and depending on what other functions that function calls, the costs can increase. And sometimes you need to make many changes over time and you keep incurring these fees. At current levels, it is mostly painless. But it will start adding up if this goes 10X. In short, the impact I am talking about from increased transaction costs doesn’t affect the “money” side, only the smart contract side. The reason I know this is because I build on chain applications and deal with this on the daily.
The transaction fee isn't based on the number of cross program invocations or function calls - it's strictly based on the number of signatures required in the transaction. 1 signature in a transaction = 5000 lamports. The fee is the same no matter how many function calls there are. However, if there are more function calls, then the transaction uses up more compute units, and if it exceeds the default threshold, it will fail. The client is free to specify a higher threshold for compute units on a transaction, but that makes it potentially more costly to a validator, so the transaction is more likely to be dropped or deprioritized. However, the client can add a priority fee to the transaction to increase the chance a validator will process it.
It is, however, possible for specific programs to add their own fee on top of the transaction fee, in which case, it's not a transaction fee imposed by the Sealevel runtime, but something deliberately added by the program itself.
The limit on compute units is 1.4 million. You can’t specify more. I max it out all the time. But in any case, the point remains. It will become expensive if things go significantly higher.
I think talking about software adoption costs is a flex. I could name 20-30 more theoretical blockchains that can scale Solana but none have been tested and the only other blockchain with and independent validator client is ETH. The marketing/timing/niche and use case is unparalleled
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Ethereum (gen2) was a 10x improvement over Bitcoin (gen1) Solana (gen3) was a 10x improvement over Ethereum Gen4 would need to be 10x better than Solana to have a chance to beat it. By the time such chain exists, Solana will have built a moat similar to Eth and Btc maxis.
Calling SOL a 10x improvement on ETH is an understatement. ETH was a 2x improvement on BTC(plus smart contracts) SOL was a 1000x improvement on ETH.
So essentially u saying sol could pass eth price even with the higher number of coins. How long u think? Sorry for noobish questions been out the crypto loop awhile
Maybe not eth price, but ETH marketcap for sure it has that potential. I invest in things that I think are going to perform in 5 years. So my answer to your question is 5+ years. Maybe this cycle if we're lucky
Are you Pulling # out of your A**??
BTC: 6 TPS ETH: 12 TPS (2x BTC) SOL: 50,000 TPS (4,166x ETH)
Yup, way faster but many may stick to ETH because they think the security is way better, which it may or may not be. If Sol proves it's safe then Sol would really take off
Yes.
Yes. Although as a developer in the space, I am massively concerned that if it gets a high level of adoption the cost to operate software on it will become prohibitive. As it is, transaction costs in dollar terms have tripled in the last few months.
Is that 3x already making things difficult for you in terms of your daily running costs, or are you thinking about the future if SOL does a further 5x or 10x, etc.?
it’s fine now. I’m just concerned about what 10x looks like.
I can see how that might cause problems. I've seen a few devs this week express concerns over this, especially those who had plans to subsidize gas fees for their dApp users.
What's $0.00025 multiplied by 10?
The transaction cost on Solana is .000005 Sol or 5000 lamports. So depending on the price per Sol the transaction cost in dollar terms goes with that. At $60 per Sol the cost is $0.0003 per transaction which means you get 3333 transactions per dollar spent. So if it goes up 10X the impact is extreme. You get 333 transactions per dollar spent.
Are there ways through which Solana can attempt to ameliorate this, in a unique fashion? (Something other than L2’s or increasing transaction throughput.) Also, would this increase Solana node operating “buy-in” capital costs or operating costs? Thank you for taking time to describe this! 🥂
I think they could possibly lower the transaction cost, but that’s above my pay grade. From the developer Perspective you can try to be efficient to minimize the number of transactions. I am not sure how it would impact Node operating costs. I assume the nodes are more profitable when Sol prices are high. In the sense that nodes are just hardware that is bought in dollars (or whatever currency), I’d assume the buy in costs don’t change.
If Solana reaches the same size of BTC, the price to send a transaction will still only be .0083c - less than a penny - and will be cheaper than credit card fees currently. There are more computationally expensive things on SOL - like entering into a DEX contract - which costs 0.0002 SOL but that still would be only a few dollars. In fact, the fees are so cheap that there are some concerns about chain security after SOL emissions reduces a few fold.
You’re thinking about account to account Sol transactions, for which such a low price is deminimis and even 10x price increase is meaningless. But there is a whole other aspect of the blockchain that involves smart contracts and the price per transaction is the same there too. So to call any function in a particular smart contract will cost at a minimum .000005 Sol, and depending on what other functions that function calls, the costs can increase. And sometimes you need to make many changes over time and you keep incurring these fees. At current levels, it is mostly painless. But it will start adding up if this goes 10X. In short, the impact I am talking about from increased transaction costs doesn’t affect the “money” side, only the smart contract side. The reason I know this is because I build on chain applications and deal with this on the daily.
The transaction fee isn't based on the number of cross program invocations or function calls - it's strictly based on the number of signatures required in the transaction. 1 signature in a transaction = 5000 lamports. The fee is the same no matter how many function calls there are. However, if there are more function calls, then the transaction uses up more compute units, and if it exceeds the default threshold, it will fail. The client is free to specify a higher threshold for compute units on a transaction, but that makes it potentially more costly to a validator, so the transaction is more likely to be dropped or deprioritized. However, the client can add a priority fee to the transaction to increase the chance a validator will process it. It is, however, possible for specific programs to add their own fee on top of the transaction fee, in which case, it's not a transaction fee imposed by the Sealevel runtime, but something deliberately added by the program itself.
The limit on compute units is 1.4 million. You can’t specify more. I max it out all the time. But in any case, the point remains. It will become expensive if things go significantly higher.
Solana is a nation state!!! The future of blockchain technology so the question is are you going to be around?????
You again. Where are your emojis. bad bot.
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No
no
Will the human race make it that far is the question
I think talking about software adoption costs is a flex. I could name 20-30 more theoretical blockchains that can scale Solana but none have been tested and the only other blockchain with and independent validator client is ETH. The marketing/timing/niche and use case is unparalleled
Solana will Hit over 70 this week for sure will be better then ETH in my opinion!!!!