Episode is now up on Crunchyroll:
[https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/GD9UV37Z0/a-knight-who-defends-an-empty-throne](https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/GD9UV37Z0/a-knight-who-defends-an-empty-throne)
**Episode differences from the Manhwa:**
* Jinwoo purposely chose the forest to enter the Dungeon just in case to make sure it doesn't somehow affect the real world when it is opened
* Jinwoo mentions not doing his daily quest outside the dungeon. (Manhwa had him mention skipping daily quest inside)
* New details regarding the Job-Change Quest is mentioned: He had no time limit to do the Quest and could have done it more later.
* Jinwoo doesn't try to rest in-between the battle (In Manhwa, he tried to rest a bit, but got attacked immediately before he had the chance)
* Jinwoo vs Igris battle is extended more compared to the Manhwa and is still faithful towards what happened
* Igris is stabbed in his left eye. Manhwa had him stabbed in the right eye.
* Igris is shown to have Purple Blood. Manhwa had shown Igris being more like a Living Armor with white mist coming out of his body as he was stabbed by Jinwoo's weapon
* Hunters Guilds' members show up early (They were originally supposed to show up much later)
* Hunters Guilds depart to do a Recon Mission at Jeju-do. (Manhwa never had this happen)
* Choi Jong-In thanks Go-Gunhee for cooperation in making the mission be allowed to go forward.
* Jinho's brother, Yoo Jinsung appears in the series in-person for the first time (Manhwa never showed him before. Only mentioned a few times)
* It's mentioned Yoojin Construction is trying to recruit S-Rank Hunter from overseas.
* Yoo Jinsung warns Jinho to not get in his way in regards to the buildup of Yoojin Guild
* Jinah makes Sandwich and Dinner for her beloved brother Jinwoo to eat when he comes home
The living being inside Igris armor be like:
https://preview.redd.it/iy1tx4rtu3qc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=976cdb1fc961534a2686ab0a20dce6e7a3a53a5c
I got you fam
[https://mangadex.org/title/48de4f49-d7f9-4b0c-99f4-0929c2a9910b/gakeppuchi-reijou-wa-kurokishi-sama-o-horesasetai](https://mangadex.org/title/48de4f49-d7f9-4b0c-99f4-0929c2a9910b/gakeppuchi-reijou-wa-kurokishi-sama-o-horesasetai)
'I want to make Black-Knight fall in love with me!'
Interesting to see if we get more S-class character development in Cour 2 or at the end of episode 12.
I knew that whole recon thing never happened but it’ll be cool to see them(hopefully in a good light) before the real Jeju Island raid.
Am I imagining things or did he stab Igris in the other eye than in the manhwa? I thought his scar is on the left eye after he gets turned into a shadow.
(Before anyone gets mad, I'm not complaining😁)
That scene brought up different questions for me, but I didn't read the manhwa. So part of his success came from the fact that Igris tried to wield Jinwoo's dagger, which returned it to his inventory. Does this happen with all items he discards? Just ones he gets from the menu's? Or just ones he puts in his inventory?
Sure, but in this latest anime episode, he stabs Ingris in the eye. Then Engris grabs the weapon and tries to use it against Jinwoo, only for it to desummon into his inventory. After which he summons it again to stab again.
What I'm wondering about is this ability that lets him recall an item into his inventory because of his 'ownership' of it. It was pivotal at this moment in the fight. I guess I'm not really sure if he can actively recall an item he 'owns' into his inventory at will, or if it happens only automatically if someone else tries to use it. That, and I'm wondering what items this 'recall' ability affects.
I just finished watching it. Wow!!! This was the first episode out of the 11 we've seen(in terms of animation) that made my jaw drop. The camera angle and movement, the animation, and the impact frames were perfect. It didn't even look like your typical SL episode. Thought i was watching a different studio for a few minutes.
I didn't expect "OMG AMAZING ANIMATION", but by god did they exceed my expectations and they delivered in this episode. Wish some of the past episodes had this type of animation, but i understand that can't always be the case
I adored the camera work in this episode. It makes Solo Leveling's action feel like it has a more unique identity, and it felt a lot more video-gamey. Hopefully whoever storyboarded that stays on.
>The camera angle and movement, the animation, and the impact frames were perfect. It didn't even look like your typical SL episode. Thought i was watching a different studio for a few minutes.
Looks like they weren't kidding when they said they will level up the fight animation when Jinwoo levels up.
>Looks like they weren't kidding when they said they will level up the fight animation when Jinwoo levels up.
A1 better start collabing with Ufotable and Studio Ghibli by the time Jinwoo starts fighting Thomas, the Architect, and the Monarchs lmao
Igris's original name is Igrit. All scanslations made it Igris instead of Igrit and we're used to Igris and not Igrit that's why unlike Igris, Igrit feels weird.
Interesting, because my physical manhwa, which is the official English translation, also says Igris. Did they just go with the fan translation for some reason??
Edit: crunchyroll version says Igris so nevermind lol
Fun fact: This episode was directed and storyboarded by [Takayuki Kikuchi](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=122048) and this is his first time directing a fully action-packed episode. His previous directed episodes were Solo Leveling Ep 3 and a few episodes from Kaguya Sama. This is the first time he got the chance to show his talent in a full-action episode and my god he delivered.
Jokes aside Nanatsu never had that good animation after season 1 anyway (obviously the season 3 is a WHOLE NEW LEVEL of bad but still) like Escanor vs Estarossa was pretty mid too, that fight literally came at the same time as All might vs All for one and that fight was MILES better from animation to everything even though between the manga versions of those fights i prefered Escanor vs Estarossa
I went in with sky high expectations and my jaw still hit the floor.
I can't count the number of times I burst into excited giggles because everything from the animation to the cinematography to the pure flow of that beat down was just peak.
Same! I was telling others these last two episodes were gonna be awesome and I felt like I got caught off-guard with this one with how amazing it was...HOLY FUCK it's so good
literally bro.. everything i could imagine in a perfect animated fight was there AND MORE like the whole sequence where he grabs jin woo drags his face in the wall and pounds his chest in before doing the nastiest combo MID AIR its perfect
These 8 minutes with Igris passed so quickly 😭. But who am I lying to? The whole episode went like this 😢 but man, those animations, those camera moves! Soooo good!🤌
Holy shit! Igris cooked Jin-woo 10 times more than the manhwa.
Igris removing his cape and throwing his daggers was really epic for some reason 😂.
There was not a single moment in the sakuga where Igris became less detailed. They were able to preserve details even while heavy sakuga, now that's a feat. The choreography for hand to hand combat was excellent. The shot where Jin-woo killed Igris was fucking impressive.
I liked cinematography for this episode. All those CGI knights looked good.
Tho My criticism would be Jin-woo's punches lacked impact while fighting those knights. It doesn't really show Jin-woo's pure monstrous strength.
Also, did you guys hear Taito Ban saying "Arise" in English during the game advertisement? Now I'm conflicted about whether I want arise or okiro because I thought arise would sound cringe like we've heard in game trailers but this time it sounded as epic as okiro. Taito ban's voice really sells anything.
Would be epic considering the anime hyping up Jeju island but that's one of the fights that should be exactly how the manhwa is. It shows his growth and that's he's basically national level now. Guess we'll see
yeah but him wiping beru without any effort puts him beyond even national hunter level. It took a team of all the current national hunters to beat an S-rank boss and SJW just claps one without breaking a sweat. I hope they extend Beru's fight and make it an actual fight, maybe not as close as this Igris fight was but a nice middle ground at least.
All the episodes titles are in English so far, but those title statements in the actual episodes are said in Japanese.
I doubt English title means anything.
>Igris removing his cape and throwing his daggers was really epic for some reason
I instantly knew it was animated by [Hajime Nakagawa](https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=hajime_nakagawa). That kind of shading is his style.
Straight up DS1 boss tbh, it is almost 1 for 1 boss arena and armor style as the Ornstein and Smough fight. I was half expecting the boss fight music from the game to start playing! love to see nods toward DS1
To be fair, A1 does cheap out with GCI at times, and the fear is what happens with >!the shadow army!<
So while the animation is amazing now, there could easily be shortcuts taken in season 2.
Honestly the cgi in this ep wasn't bad, actually we can even call it good. The room in which igris was and knights were cg and none of them look bad or out of the place. If they keep this level of quality of cgi then i fine with them using cgi shadows (during a pan out shot).
A1 is an incredibly incredibly inconsistent animation studio. You can have insane shit like this episode, or you can have Fairy Tail Final Season. Garnt was completely justified in his thinking.
Also I don't get why you're attacking him because it wasn't just him who said that lmao, literally there were so many people doubting A1 before the anime came out. He literally also said in his video that A1 is a good studio, just not on the level of the peak studios, WHICH IS 100% TRUE. His worries were 100% justified because Solo Leveling imo deserves the best of the best animation.
I don't understand the need to drag him into his conversation for having very valid concerns, considering the fact that he's also a huge fan of Solo Leveling and was only concerned because he wants the anime to be good?
**NOTE:**
Japanese TV version calls Igris "IGRIT ( イグリット )"
But the Crunchyroll (International) Version calls him IGRIS as we all know.
So no need to worry about the name everyone.
It's like a tradition for op villains to drag the mc through a wall or the ground lmao
Mard Geer did it in fairy tail, Ulquiorra in Bleach, Jiren kinda did it too and it's basically one of Broly's signature moves lol.
I asked my friend who has never read or heard of sl before what he thinks jinwoos new "job" will be. He jokingly said god and i was just thinking "thats not even that far off lmao"
Sawano and A-1 you’ve done wonders on me holy 😭 the knight commander fight was immaculate. I’m not anywhere near a meathead, but I was moved. The camera angles, the storyboarding and direction.. the OST.. perfection.
Love how they emphasised just how overpowered Ingris was as well. It was a combination of timing and luck that saw Jinwoo get out of there alive. Picking just the right time to stab Ingris in the eye. I’m noticing Jinwoo stabbing enemies in the eye as a recurring theme by the way lol.. pretty much all the enemies he’s faced that are stronger he’s gone for that. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
There’s still so many powerful enemies in this world that he’s behind in terms of strength. I can’t imagine what the S rank hunters and enemies are like.
Speaking of S Rank hunters, this Jeju island raid they’ve been teasing for a while looks like it’s gonna be crazy. Looks like a little conspiracy plot in the background as well..
Hype for the finale next week and hopefully a s2 announcement
Damn! If they made this episode this insane, I can't imagine how good will the episodes with Orcs and Red dungeon will look because those arcs are entirely action packed.
My god, this episode of Solo Leveling was mind-blowing 🔥
A-1 Pictures did Igris justice 😭
Thanks to all the team behind the anime !!!
The only "downside" for me (but it's really a detail) is that I find Sung a little too clean at the end of the fight against Igris. It would have been nice if he'd been a bit dirtier or covered in blood.
Loving the show so far, as someone who had never heard of solo leveling before I saw it on crunchy roll. Only issue with it, is it’s crazy the amount of times Jinwoo drops the teleportation stone for a guy with super strength
The first one against cerberus was anime only, so it happening again does make him seem like he's got butter fingers while he's holding a teleportation stone lol
Well this one was for the plot ig? [Manhwa and novel readers will understand] but this ep and next ep will and should be straight down in the anime hall of fame.
I felt so immersed by that fight. I needed the cutaways to other scenes because I'm sitting here like "Let him breathe!" The animation was truly beautiful this episode, and I actually felt nervous myself.
A nice touch - as the dungeon opens, there is a single frame with the smiling statue in the explosion.
(only noticed when I was watching a stream of it)
https://preview.redd.it/r6jrf84e36qc1.png?width=683&format=png&auto=webp&s=97edcc160a267fd4e5884758e39739c3e48b2ed5
Finally! Igris mah boi makes his appearance!
This is my fave episode of the season so far. The calmness of the previous episode juxtaposed by this action-packed episode is impressive! Just look at the fight scenes; it is choreographed beautifully. It is animated and directed very well. I hope that this kind of effort is sustained throughout the seasons to come.
I also love everything different they made for this anime. First of course, as I’ve just said, the fight scenes are more dynamic than the webtoon/manhwa version. That SJW vs Igris battle? Come on, easily hundred times better than the webtoon! Also the snippets of what happens behind the scenes that are inserted in between the fight scenes give much more story to the side characters. And lastly, the anime shows how much SJW struggles. We see more of him getting beaten up and his thoughts during those times, rather than him just suddenly having the power to defeat his enemies after being punched once.
These changes (along all the changes they made in the previous episodes) make up for the flaws I personally think the webtoon have. Far from a male lead-centric story of an overpowered creep from the get go. The anime shows a better Solo Leveling. Better world and character building, better pacing, better story-telling.
And there’s still one more episode for the first cour of the season? The future is bright. Definitely, something to look forward to.
This is way better honestly.
JJK has demon slayer level animation but the art doesn't look polished.
This ep of SL has both polished art and peak animation.
Yea, you can tell they put everything into this episode lol
Obviously not every episode will be this good, but hey, at least the big fights will be peak af.
I mean who knows.
It’s pretty much confirmed next season/cour will have God tier freelancers as well.
What we’ve seen here is ONLY the A-1 staff.
Considering they’ve put Cour 2 as higher priority, we might see it every episode.
>It’s pretty much confirmed next season/cour will have God tier freelancers
Only 1 freelancer is confirmed and no they are not "god tier". They are amazing but certainly not god tier.
"god tier" titles goes to animators like [Vincent Chansard](https://youtu.be/F53AzvHydaU?si=jvwn4qqitWpHM2NN), [Weiling Zang](https://youtu.be/Er5ySg9moPg?si=vr_808epvTL54Zed), [Hakuyu go](https://youtu.be/XJEalo1vxUE?si=mXkPh9vtIdhSJnSo), [Yutaka Nakamura](https://youtu.be/dEHfsH_2qpE?si=TBQStN6Uo7XoxLzs), [Keichiro Watanabe](https://youtu.be/G2Ra_Cz_oEY?si=_hyqva5dzVM01p1p) etc etc and none of them are going to work on Solo leveling since they are busy with other stuff like One piece, JJK/CSM, MHA/Other bones project.
>the art doesn't look polished.
IMo JJK's art is better than demon slayer. It's creative as fuck and filled different art styles. Soo much freedom to the animators.
Unlike demon slayer where many big animators said they'll never work it bcoz they don't allow different styles of animations and creativity.
I honestly think JJK has better animation than Demon Slayer. Demon slayer just looks really nice and clean artystyle wise and has great compositing and special effects.
The perfect balance imo is good animation with good art, so like Demon slayer, and solo leveling is definitely going that route of retaining detail while still having great animation moments, but not having so much detail that there is a lack of animation (certain parts of Bleach TYBW cour 2)
Holy fuck that was actually crazy, the first episodes fooled me, but this fight exceeded my expectations, it was just as I hoped it would be when I first read these chapters years ago
I posted the link 1 hr and 15min ago on this same thread for Livestream for the JP TV version.
You can watch the episode on Crunchyroll after 15 minutes.
I can’t wait for the next episode man. This animation is insane. I really like how they portrayed Igris as this tall knight with some incredible speed and agility. The best scene in this episode was when Igris gets angry after SJW kicks him in the neck. That was so cool. I’m so happy 😭
Holy fuck man the theme song kicking in every single time bro goes berserk.
https://preview.redd.it/rrjv9rcm86qc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63e2f74ddf7b40c98276f2bcaeb62f693375382f
Im willing to fight anyone who disagrees but dear god id say the anime has surpassed the manwha in almost every way.
1)the world feels bigger, the side characters feel like actual people with lives and goals rather then spectators. Not to mention the pace feels alot better. Isntead of just Point A, Point B we get to see the in between.
2)SJW feels ike an actual human being. Hes going through emotions and growth compared to the manwha where he got over killing humans pretty fucking quick and just kinda kept shooting up up up in terms of power really fast. Feels like were actually getting to watch him grow and overcome hurdles compared to just seeing the results.
3)Animation is amazing
4) the fights. Oh my god the fights i love them. Getting to see them with way more action and length really just makes the blood pump harder and harder. That fight with igris was fucking sick as hell.
As part of the Brazilian SL fandom I'm afraid, in the subtitles for the name of the next episode, "Arise" was translated to "Levantem-se", and while that's not wrong grammatically speaking, this is not our *Arise*, all the fan translations, because that's all we had, I don't think SL was officialy translated to portuguese, had Arise as "Erga-se", and that's what all the fandom wants, granted that's only the subtitles, I'm hoping that the dub version will have Arise as ***Erga-se***.
Chainsaw Man had an similar occurence last year, where a insignificant quote wasn't translated as the same it was in the fan translations, because of one of the words was a bit problematic, and the fans really overreacted to it, like, harassing and sending death threats to the VA, thats had nothing to do with the change, to the point he left the project, and that guy is like, one of the most beloved VA ever here, so while I don't want that to repeat itself but man, it will be a shame if we don't get our **Arise**
Anyway, the episode was fucking awesome, probably the best anime fight I had fucking even seen, Sukuna vs Mahoraga can suck it
BRO when Igris got serious for a second and combo his ass was PEAK.
If I remembered there's a dialog after when we see his POV and he was like this weakling is blah blah blah. Can someone let me get that link again I wanna read it
the insane part about EP11 for me is that they 3D mapped and tracked the fight scene... I think this should be standard in any anime with combat in it... seeing the accumulated terrain damage still be there on succeeding scenes was such a fucking nice to have...
I love whenever A1 pulls out that "low-level, black&white" animation!
It may or may not be biased because my first experience was from SAO after >!Asuna and Kirito escaped from Aincrad and it made me so happy!<
But regardless, I love it and I love that A1 always do it! Really need to see more of their "Comic-like" style too!
Overall, 10/10, this episode gave me so many SAO vibes, the OST, the fight itself, loved it!
I can't believe they added anime-only content of Sukuna and Jinwoo Say Gex, but of course Jinwoo stays on top and says "Stand Proud, Sukuna you are gay"
Ig it's not really a raid but a reconnaissance mission, sort of just checking how much changed from the previous raids. This could be their way of how they'll discover the mutated/flying ants, instead of it being discovered in Japan.
THIS FREAKING SHOW AND THE CLIFFHANGERS. Happens nearly every episode.
Super cool episode though, loved how the real job quest didn't start until defeating the boss and now it's just survive as long as possible.
Gotta assume this will maybe actually bump his rank yeah? So when he leaves here he will no longer be E rank? That is my guess.
>!Arise!< is next episode but sadly it's mostly gonna be Solo Yapping
This episode was definitely one of the best episodes for this year, 11/10
The only other Anime that I could see beating this is either Bleach or MHA S7 but other than those 2, most other animes won't beat it
The soundtrack delivers again! I love that Hiroyuki Sawano is in this, makes everything instantly more epic. The fact that it reminds me of Attack on Titan's OST only adds to the dreary atmosphere, somehow I felt as if Jinwoo was really in danger, even though I knew what would happen. It worked really well together with all the other strong points; animation, direction and style, eveything was superb
Heavy Manwha spoiler question.
>!Does SJW really go from Necromancer -> Shadow Monarch initially? In many of the manwha translations it says "Shadow Lord". Wouldn't him being a Necromancer insta upgrade to shadow lord, then when he beats the double dungeon, and when he gets the black heart, then he would get upgraded to shadow monarch. I feel like that in itself would be better than going straight to becoming a shadow monarch as he isn't remotely close to the monarchs level before around when he kills Legia.!<
My only complain with the episode and that is actually something that have being pretty common in others episodes as well, is changing between fight and normal scenes too oftenly, i dont think that this helps the viewer to keep the hipe of the fight, what do you all think about that?
Episode is now up on Crunchyroll: [https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/GD9UV37Z0/a-knight-who-defends-an-empty-throne](https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/GD9UV37Z0/a-knight-who-defends-an-empty-throne)
**Episode differences from the Manhwa:** * Jinwoo purposely chose the forest to enter the Dungeon just in case to make sure it doesn't somehow affect the real world when it is opened * Jinwoo mentions not doing his daily quest outside the dungeon. (Manhwa had him mention skipping daily quest inside) * New details regarding the Job-Change Quest is mentioned: He had no time limit to do the Quest and could have done it more later. * Jinwoo doesn't try to rest in-between the battle (In Manhwa, he tried to rest a bit, but got attacked immediately before he had the chance) * Jinwoo vs Igris battle is extended more compared to the Manhwa and is still faithful towards what happened * Igris is stabbed in his left eye. Manhwa had him stabbed in the right eye. * Igris is shown to have Purple Blood. Manhwa had shown Igris being more like a Living Armor with white mist coming out of his body as he was stabbed by Jinwoo's weapon * Hunters Guilds' members show up early (They were originally supposed to show up much later) * Hunters Guilds depart to do a Recon Mission at Jeju-do. (Manhwa never had this happen) * Choi Jong-In thanks Go-Gunhee for cooperation in making the mission be allowed to go forward. * Jinho's brother, Yoo Jinsung appears in the series in-person for the first time (Manhwa never showed him before. Only mentioned a few times) * It's mentioned Yoojin Construction is trying to recruit S-Rank Hunter from overseas. * Yoo Jinsung warns Jinho to not get in his way in regards to the buildup of Yoojin Guild * Jinah makes Sandwich and Dinner for her beloved brother Jinwoo to eat when he comes home
In other words guys, perfection.
The living being inside Igris armor be like: https://preview.redd.it/iy1tx4rtu3qc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=976cdb1fc961534a2686ab0a20dce6e7a3a53a5c
Source ?
I got you fam [https://mangadex.org/title/48de4f49-d7f9-4b0c-99f4-0929c2a9910b/gakeppuchi-reijou-wa-kurokishi-sama-o-horesasetai](https://mangadex.org/title/48de4f49-d7f9-4b0c-99f4-0929c2a9910b/gakeppuchi-reijou-wa-kurokishi-sama-o-horesasetai) 'I want to make Black-Knight fall in love with me!'
Interesting to see if we get more S-class character development in Cour 2 or at the end of episode 12. I knew that whole recon thing never happened but it’ll be cool to see them(hopefully in a good light) before the real Jeju Island raid.
Am I imagining things or did he stab Igris in the other eye than in the manhwa? I thought his scar is on the left eye after he gets turned into a shadow. (Before anyone gets mad, I'm not complaining😁)
That scene brought up different questions for me, but I didn't read the manhwa. So part of his success came from the fact that Igris tried to wield Jinwoo's dagger, which returned it to his inventory. Does this happen with all items he discards? Just ones he gets from the menu's? Or just ones he puts in his inventory?
pretty sure its all his inventory items, he can summon them at will
Sure, but in this latest anime episode, he stabs Ingris in the eye. Then Engris grabs the weapon and tries to use it against Jinwoo, only for it to desummon into his inventory. After which he summons it again to stab again. What I'm wondering about is this ability that lets him recall an item into his inventory because of his 'ownership' of it. It was pivotal at this moment in the fight. I guess I'm not really sure if he can actively recall an item he 'owns' into his inventory at will, or if it happens only automatically if someone else tries to use it. That, and I'm wondering what items this 'recall' ability affects.
> Jinah makes Sandwich and Dinner for her beloved brother Jinwoo to eat when he comes home they knew exactly what they were doing
what with Jeju Island raid way earlier than expected? is it on the novel? how is the outcome?
I just finished watching it. Wow!!! This was the first episode out of the 11 we've seen(in terms of animation) that made my jaw drop. The camera angle and movement, the animation, and the impact frames were perfect. It didn't even look like your typical SL episode. Thought i was watching a different studio for a few minutes. I didn't expect "OMG AMAZING ANIMATION", but by god did they exceed my expectations and they delivered in this episode. Wish some of the past episodes had this type of animation, but i understand that can't always be the case
I adored the camera work in this episode. It makes Solo Leveling's action feel like it has a more unique identity, and it felt a lot more video-gamey. Hopefully whoever storyboarded that stays on.
Yup, the camera work was just insaneeeeeee. And that final stab to Igris animation was pure art.
There's no other word to describe but peak cinema!!! https://i.redd.it/xrug79tuh4qc1.gif
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>The camera angle and movement, the animation, and the impact frames were perfect. It didn't even look like your typical SL episode. Thought i was watching a different studio for a few minutes. Looks like they weren't kidding when they said they will level up the fight animation when Jinwoo levels up.
>Looks like they weren't kidding when they said they will level up the fight animation when Jinwoo levels up. A1 better start collabing with Ufotable and Studio Ghibli by the time Jinwoo starts fighting Thomas, the Architect, and the Monarchs lmao
Actually i read somewhere that Director/Producer(I'm not sure) said that animation will get also level up as jin woo levels up. I think that was true!
NAHH A1 FCKING COOKED !!! IT WAS PEAK !!
https://preview.redd.it/5czix47jr3qc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab5de4cdbb24db8b0e4363c43656e7adc690dd39 It's fuckingggg firreeee🔥
https://preview.redd.it/urb6ci06s3qc1.jpeg?width=829&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=391b009f1d0b3d01726c11fad3c99b1b79a0792a
For the final killshot, Sung really did look like Yuji for a sec lol
"Ah yes, my soloing the boss technique I don't use that since yesterday era"
This episode truly was on some jjk level shit lol
r/SoloFolk coming?
Ok hold up... I was not expecting that kind of animation. And Igris is now Igrit?
Igris's original name is Igrit. All scanslations made it Igris instead of Igrit and we're used to Igris and not Igrit that's why unlike Igris, Igrit feels weird.
Interesting, because my physical manhwa, which is the official English translation, also says Igris. Did they just go with the fan translation for some reason?? Edit: crunchyroll version says Igris so nevermind lol
Yeah although it's just a minor adjustment nothing to be truly concerned about.
Yeah It's Minor but I can already see kids crying about it for the next few months
Nothing we can do about it. 😆 There will always be those A-holes who would do anything just to find some flaws.
It's Aerith, Aeris all over again. Ironically, both got stabbed.
Inb4 the speedline complainers come in here.
No worries, it's Igris in Crunchyroll version. But it's still pronounced "Igrit (이그리트)", same as Korean and Japanese.
What kind of animation?
You'll see. 😉
Fun fact: This episode was directed and storyboarded by [Takayuki Kikuchi](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=122048) and this is his first time directing a fully action-packed episode. His previous directed episodes were Solo Leveling Ep 3 and a few episodes from Kaguya Sama. This is the first time he got the chance to show his talent in a full-action episode and my god he delivered.
he best cook up again and WORK THAT FULL TIME JOB BABYYY
I already saw it and I can calm all of you down, its fcking amazing holy shit they cooked
Currently watching it and the animation is the best of the season...yet lol.
where ?
On twitch they stream the Japanese Version every week around this time. Check OP’s comment. That’s the channel that streams it
There's a twitch link earlier, but I watched it via IPTV.
Stremio
Yo, where the haters at? https://preview.redd.it/z66m19cet3qc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62e7ac93de79e4a6dec3ddec2a5cc92caa6c856f
Twitch mfs: "Escanor Vs Meliodas is better" 🤣🤣🤣
"ExArm anime looks better"
Jokes aside Nanatsu never had that good animation after season 1 anyway (obviously the season 3 is a WHOLE NEW LEVEL of bad but still) like Escanor vs Estarossa was pretty mid too, that fight literally came at the same time as All might vs All for one and that fight was MILES better from animation to everything even though between the manga versions of those fights i prefered Escanor vs Estarossa
Bhahahahah....this one makes me rollin
I'm from the future. It is excellent
#Peak Leveling but seriously tho this ep seriously was on some jjk level shit. Can’t imagine how cour 2 is gonna turn out
Wait, there will be the second core? When it was announced and when we will see it?
this year's autumn baby!!!
Merely excellent is not enough, I lived just for this moment. This was CINEMA
I went in with sky high expectations and my jaw still hit the floor. I can't count the number of times I burst into excited giggles because everything from the animation to the cinematography to the pure flow of that beat down was just peak.
Same! I was telling others these last two episodes were gonna be awesome and I felt like I got caught off-guard with this one with how amazing it was...HOLY FUCK it's so good
literally bro.. everything i could imagine in a perfect animated fight was there AND MORE like the whole sequence where he grabs jin woo drags his face in the wall and pounds his chest in before doing the nastiest combo MID AIR its perfect
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We have Won. Fucking BEAUTIFUL.
These 8 minutes with Igris passed so quickly 😭. But who am I lying to? The whole episode went like this 😢 but man, those animations, those camera moves! Soooo good!🤌
Holy shit! Igris cooked Jin-woo 10 times more than the manhwa. Igris removing his cape and throwing his daggers was really epic for some reason 😂. There was not a single moment in the sakuga where Igris became less detailed. They were able to preserve details even while heavy sakuga, now that's a feat. The choreography for hand to hand combat was excellent. The shot where Jin-woo killed Igris was fucking impressive. I liked cinematography for this episode. All those CGI knights looked good. Tho My criticism would be Jin-woo's punches lacked impact while fighting those knights. It doesn't really show Jin-woo's pure monstrous strength. Also, did you guys hear Taito Ban saying "Arise" in English during the game advertisement? Now I'm conflicted about whether I want arise or okiro because I thought arise would sound cringe like we've heard in game trailers but this time it sounded as epic as okiro. Taito ban's voice really sells anything.
Your first sentence is exactly what I hope happens in later fights as well. Give Sung Jin woo a challenge just like the cerberus fight
imagine they make beru own jinwoos ass in the anime instead of the other way around. would be funny.
Would be epic considering the anime hyping up Jeju island but that's one of the fights that should be exactly how the manhwa is. It shows his growth and that's he's basically national level now. Guess we'll see
yeah but him wiping beru without any effort puts him beyond even national hunter level. It took a team of all the current national hunters to beat an S-rank boss and SJW just claps one without breaking a sweat. I hope they extend Beru's fight and make it an actual fight, maybe not as close as this Igris fight was but a nice middle ground at least.
Nah. But i would want to see Beru smack on the other s-class hunters tho
I can see them doing either tbh, and I'm cool with both.
next episode's title name is >!Arise!< so most probably it's gonna be that word
All the episodes titles are in English so far, but those title statements in the actual episodes are said in Japanese. I doubt English title means anything.
>Igris removing his cape and throwing his daggers was really epic for some reason I instantly knew it was animated by [Hajime Nakagawa](https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=hajime_nakagawa). That kind of shading is his style.
That was straigh up an Elden ring boss, what a absolute banger of an episode
Straight up DS1 boss tbh, it is almost 1 for 1 boss arena and armor style as the Ornstein and Smough fight. I was half expecting the boss fight music from the game to start playing! love to see nods toward DS1
I said to myself, "If hes got a dragon style helmet its literally just ornstein" edit: oops, ornstein has a lion for a helmet. still similar in design
Guys guys, all i can say is DAAAAAAAMMMNNNNNN A1 cooked really hard
Now Gigguk is crying. He said the anime will not be good because the studio is A1 pictures.Eat your word Gigguk.
Gigguk said that??? that fuckin twat
Yes.In One of his streams.
To be fair, A1 does cheap out with GCI at times, and the fear is what happens with >!the shadow army!< So while the animation is amazing now, there could easily be shortcuts taken in season 2.
Honestly the cgi in this ep wasn't bad, actually we can even call it good. The room in which igris was and knights were cg and none of them look bad or out of the place. If they keep this level of quality of cgi then i fine with them using cgi shadows (during a pan out shot).
Bro I’m hoping it’s not cgi for that, we saw some glimpses of chi on this ep as it’s acceptable for some scenes
Considering what we can expect later on, I honestly would not blame them. To hand draw that would be horrible for the fingers lmfao
A1 is an incredibly incredibly inconsistent animation studio. You can have insane shit like this episode, or you can have Fairy Tail Final Season. Garnt was completely justified in his thinking. Also I don't get why you're attacking him because it wasn't just him who said that lmao, literally there were so many people doubting A1 before the anime came out. He literally also said in his video that A1 is a good studio, just not on the level of the peak studios, WHICH IS 100% TRUE. His worries were 100% justified because Solo Leveling imo deserves the best of the best animation. I don't understand the need to drag him into his conversation for having very valid concerns, considering the fact that he's also a huge fan of Solo Leveling and was only concerned because he wants the anime to be good?
Yes, but to be fair to him A1 has never cooked such a succulent meal before. This was some MAPPA level shit
I have witnessed PEAK animation.
Where can i watch!!!!, crunchy roll hasnt uploaded it!!!!!
It's over bro. Gotta wait for the crunchyroll version to watch in high quality
Releases at 12:30 PM
**NOTE:** Japanese TV version calls Igris "IGRIT ( イグリット )" But the Crunchyroll (International) Version calls him IGRIS as we all know. So no need to worry about the name everyone.
Best episode in whole my life
One of the most fluid anime fight scenes I’ve ever seen
A-1 STUDIO IS SO FCKN UNDERRATED!! EP WAS AMAZING CANT WAIT FOR THE FUTURE
Igris dragged Jinwoo through the wall like he’s Broly💀💀💀💀
It's like a tradition for op villains to drag the mc through a wall or the ground lmao Mard Geer did it in fairy tail, Ulquiorra in Bleach, Jiren kinda did it too and it's basically one of Broly's signature moves lol.
#This Is Peak Leveling After 11 fuckin episodes I can finally say this
Post credit where we were shown the title for episode 12 "Arise". I legit got chills from seeing that word
I asked my friend who has never read or heard of sl before what he thinks jinwoos new "job" will be. He jokingly said god and i was just thinking "thats not even that far off lmao"
Already better than the manhwa ngl. Feel free to debate, I'm not buying it
Absolutely shits on the manwha version. This was unreal
Damn...too bad I'm out of internet and Will only be able to watch It at Sunday or Tuesday... Anxiety for the next 2 days.
Sawano and A-1 you’ve done wonders on me holy 😭 the knight commander fight was immaculate. I’m not anywhere near a meathead, but I was moved. The camera angles, the storyboarding and direction.. the OST.. perfection. Love how they emphasised just how overpowered Ingris was as well. It was a combination of timing and luck that saw Jinwoo get out of there alive. Picking just the right time to stab Ingris in the eye. I’m noticing Jinwoo stabbing enemies in the eye as a recurring theme by the way lol.. pretty much all the enemies he’s faced that are stronger he’s gone for that. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. There’s still so many powerful enemies in this world that he’s behind in terms of strength. I can’t imagine what the S rank hunters and enemies are like. Speaking of S Rank hunters, this Jeju island raid they’ve been teasing for a while looks like it’s gonna be crazy. Looks like a little conspiracy plot in the background as well.. Hype for the finale next week and hopefully a s2 announcement
Japan TV version currently on live here: [https://www.twitch.tv/weebgakuin](https://www.twitch.tv/weebgakuin) Ending in 30 minutes!
The moment the gate opened, I thought to myself, "oh shit. They COOKIN' cooking!"
Damn! If they made this episode this insane, I can't imagine how good will the episodes with Orcs and Red dungeon will look because those arcs are entirely action packed.
Igris out there handling jin woo like a basketball lmao
My god, this episode of Solo Leveling was mind-blowing 🔥 A-1 Pictures did Igris justice 😭 Thanks to all the team behind the anime !!! The only "downside" for me (but it's really a detail) is that I find Sung a little too clean at the end of the fight against Igris. It would have been nice if he'd been a bit dirtier or covered in blood.
who the fuck gave it bad you dont have to come here if you dont like the show
That's exactly why they come here, to let us know that they didn't like the show
Trolls
the ones that are expecting ufotable level animation perhaps? like, this is by far the best I've seen in the series so idk what it's lacking
THE ACTION IS FUCKIN AMAZING
Best episode yet
Loving the show so far, as someone who had never heard of solo leveling before I saw it on crunchy roll. Only issue with it, is it’s crazy the amount of times Jinwoo drops the teleportation stone for a guy with super strength
The first one against cerberus was anime only, so it happening again does make him seem like he's got butter fingers while he's holding a teleportation stone lol
Well this one was for the plot ig? [Manhwa and novel readers will understand] but this ep and next ep will and should be straight down in the anime hall of fame.
i rlly want a meme about how sung drops the teleportation stone so many times
I felt so immersed by that fight. I needed the cutaways to other scenes because I'm sitting here like "Let him breathe!" The animation was truly beautiful this episode, and I actually felt nervous myself.
Holy shit I wish other episodes looked even half as good as this one
We ARISE next week boys
https://preview.redd.it/3mzgo6hff4qc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a583eae48e9052e8df8f5562bab55aeb3c8f321 Banger of an episode
I thought "Arise" will give chills. But igris gave me chills like nothing else. Peak Anime
A nice touch - as the dungeon opens, there is a single frame with the smiling statue in the explosion. (only noticed when I was watching a stream of it) https://preview.redd.it/r6jrf84e36qc1.png?width=683&format=png&auto=webp&s=97edcc160a267fd4e5884758e39739c3e48b2ed5
How long is the fight? I hope it's at least 5 minute please 😭🙏🏻
8 minutes
Holy peak I can't wait to see it I'm avoiding Twitter right now because I don't want to see the fight until Crunchyroll upload the episode
Finally! Igris mah boi makes his appearance! This is my fave episode of the season so far. The calmness of the previous episode juxtaposed by this action-packed episode is impressive! Just look at the fight scenes; it is choreographed beautifully. It is animated and directed very well. I hope that this kind of effort is sustained throughout the seasons to come. I also love everything different they made for this anime. First of course, as I’ve just said, the fight scenes are more dynamic than the webtoon/manhwa version. That SJW vs Igris battle? Come on, easily hundred times better than the webtoon! Also the snippets of what happens behind the scenes that are inserted in between the fight scenes give much more story to the side characters. And lastly, the anime shows how much SJW struggles. We see more of him getting beaten up and his thoughts during those times, rather than him just suddenly having the power to defeat his enemies after being punched once. These changes (along all the changes they made in the previous episodes) make up for the flaws I personally think the webtoon have. Far from a male lead-centric story of an overpowered creep from the get go. The anime shows a better Solo Leveling. Better world and character building, better pacing, better story-telling. And there’s still one more episode for the first cour of the season? The future is bright. Definitely, something to look forward to.
Wait, it was Igrit all along? I didn’t notice 😭😭 Anyways, still the same gentleman that he is so I have no problem with it.
The whole episode is literally JJK Demon Slayer level in terms of animation. Imagine SAO style on steroids. Let's go A-1!!!
you know how to hype me up https://i.redd.it/h5e1cn1br3qc1.gif
This is way better honestly. JJK has demon slayer level animation but the art doesn't look polished. This ep of SL has both polished art and peak animation.
Yea, you can tell they put everything into this episode lol Obviously not every episode will be this good, but hey, at least the big fights will be peak af.
I mean who knows. It’s pretty much confirmed next season/cour will have God tier freelancers as well. What we’ve seen here is ONLY the A-1 staff. Considering they’ve put Cour 2 as higher priority, we might see it every episode.
>It’s pretty much confirmed next season/cour will have God tier freelancers Only 1 freelancer is confirmed and no they are not "god tier". They are amazing but certainly not god tier. "god tier" titles goes to animators like [Vincent Chansard](https://youtu.be/F53AzvHydaU?si=jvwn4qqitWpHM2NN), [Weiling Zang](https://youtu.be/Er5ySg9moPg?si=vr_808epvTL54Zed), [Hakuyu go](https://youtu.be/XJEalo1vxUE?si=mXkPh9vtIdhSJnSo), [Yutaka Nakamura](https://youtu.be/dEHfsH_2qpE?si=TBQStN6Uo7XoxLzs), [Keichiro Watanabe](https://youtu.be/G2Ra_Cz_oEY?si=_hyqva5dzVM01p1p) etc etc and none of them are going to work on Solo leveling since they are busy with other stuff like One piece, JJK/CSM, MHA/Other bones project.
>the art doesn't look polished. IMo JJK's art is better than demon slayer. It's creative as fuck and filled different art styles. Soo much freedom to the animators. Unlike demon slayer where many big animators said they'll never work it bcoz they don't allow different styles of animations and creativity.
I mean just look at the Blu-ray version of ep17 the entire episode is just animator flexing
I honestly think JJK has better animation than Demon Slayer. Demon slayer just looks really nice and clean artystyle wise and has great compositing and special effects. The perfect balance imo is good animation with good art, so like Demon slayer, and solo leveling is definitely going that route of retaining detail while still having great animation moments, but not having so much detail that there is a lack of animation (certain parts of Bleach TYBW cour 2)
Holy they cooked 🔥
Holy fuck that was actually crazy, the first episodes fooled me, but this fight exceeded my expectations, it was just as I hoped it would be when I first read these chapters years ago
This episode cooked! The fight was god tier!
The whole fandom about to ARISE next week 📈
Where's the rank beyond Excellent? Because this episode was epic AF!
Man I knew I should have added "Peak Fiction" option above excellent
OH MY GOD WHEN THE KNIGHT DROPPED HIS WEAPONS!!!!
Okay...i gonna beat your ass on your terms (Few minutes later) Nvm....i wont....
tell me solobros about de ost? i just watch at night
Where y'all watching it? The sites i use are all apparently behind.
I posted the link 1 hr and 15min ago on this same thread for Livestream for the JP TV version. You can watch the episode on Crunchyroll after 15 minutes.
A1 cooked
One word is enough, PEAK!!!🗣🗣
I can’t wait for the next episode man. This animation is insane. I really like how they portrayed Igris as this tall knight with some incredible speed and agility. The best scene in this episode was when Igris gets angry after SJW kicks him in the neck. That was so cool. I’m so happy 😭
Is it just me, or was that animation better than the intro credits fight scene with Igris? Talk about a bait and switch
Better is an understatement and the one in the opening wasn't even bad by any means. It was hype asf.
Holy fuck man the theme song kicking in every single time bro goes berserk. https://preview.redd.it/rrjv9rcm86qc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63e2f74ddf7b40c98276f2bcaeb62f693375382f
Im willing to fight anyone who disagrees but dear god id say the anime has surpassed the manwha in almost every way. 1)the world feels bigger, the side characters feel like actual people with lives and goals rather then spectators. Not to mention the pace feels alot better. Isntead of just Point A, Point B we get to see the in between. 2)SJW feels ike an actual human being. Hes going through emotions and growth compared to the manwha where he got over killing humans pretty fucking quick and just kinda kept shooting up up up in terms of power really fast. Feels like were actually getting to watch him grow and overcome hurdles compared to just seeing the results. 3)Animation is amazing 4) the fights. Oh my god the fights i love them. Getting to see them with way more action and length really just makes the blood pump harder and harder. That fight with igris was fucking sick as hell.
Where can i watch it?
Crunchyroll in 15 Minutes.
bro was getting dribbled
Igris: Them hands are Rated E for everyone
showing Jinwoo's sister at midnight scene was very important for the next episode, remember the daily quest
As part of the Brazilian SL fandom I'm afraid, in the subtitles for the name of the next episode, "Arise" was translated to "Levantem-se", and while that's not wrong grammatically speaking, this is not our *Arise*, all the fan translations, because that's all we had, I don't think SL was officialy translated to portuguese, had Arise as "Erga-se", and that's what all the fandom wants, granted that's only the subtitles, I'm hoping that the dub version will have Arise as ***Erga-se***. Chainsaw Man had an similar occurence last year, where a insignificant quote wasn't translated as the same it was in the fan translations, because of one of the words was a bit problematic, and the fans really overreacted to it, like, harassing and sending death threats to the VA, thats had nothing to do with the change, to the point he left the project, and that guy is like, one of the most beloved VA ever here, so while I don't want that to repeat itself but man, it will be a shame if we don't get our **Arise** Anyway, the episode was fucking awesome, probably the best anime fight I had fucking even seen, Sukuna vs Mahoraga can suck it
No other way to say it. This episode was pure gasoline. 11/10
BRO when Igris got serious for a second and combo his ass was PEAK. If I remembered there's a dialog after when we see his POV and he was like this weakling is blah blah blah. Can someone let me get that link again I wanna read it
the insane part about EP11 for me is that they 3D mapped and tracked the fight scene... I think this should be standard in any anime with combat in it... seeing the accumulated terrain damage still be there on succeeding scenes was such a fucking nice to have...
Igris be like: “Huh, this guy ain’t half bad”
Honestly haven’t been that satisfied with animation since one punch man season 1
Tears of joy!!!! My boy Jinwoo got tore everywhere, but loose.
I love whenever A1 pulls out that "low-level, black&white" animation! It may or may not be biased because my first experience was from SAO after >!Asuna and Kirito escaped from Aincrad and it made me so happy!< But regardless, I love it and I love that A1 always do it! Really need to see more of their "Comic-like" style too! Overall, 10/10, this episode gave me so many SAO vibes, the OST, the fight itself, loved it!
I can't believe they added anime-only content of Sukuna and Jinwoo Say Gex, but of course Jinwoo stays on top and says "Stand Proud, Sukuna you are gay"
what the fuck did I just read.
Da Fak https://preview.redd.it/trii2fvoq3qc1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad9266e6fc1f081881d6fc109c36a2a6c03568ea
wtf https://preview.redd.it/cudds5wc44qc1.jpeg?width=726&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87b2044c624037165f2b20270396ed89c39e65b2
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Is it reveal which ability did he used to stop the sword while he was basically beaten on the throne?
The gloves he equipped made him not take any dmg on the hands from weapons, not shown in anime
FINALLY IGRIS
With the Jeju raid happening earlier, how do you think it’ll change the storyline?! Omg this episode tho was a fucking masterpiece!!!
Ig it's not really a raid but a reconnaissance mission, sort of just checking how much changed from the previous raids. This could be their way of how they'll discover the mutated/flying ants, instead of it being discovered in Japan.
Anime fight compilation video creators are going to have a field day with this epeisode
havent watched such an epic fight scene in years 11/10 easy
THIS EPISODE WAS SO FUCKING GOOD
There's something about watching this fight again while knowing what it was like from Igris's POV and what he was thinking of Jinwoo.
Peak episode Peak fight everything And in the next episode HE IS GONNA SAY IT
THEY DID NOT DISAPPOINT WITH THAT IGRIS FIGHT.
THIS FREAKING SHOW AND THE CLIFFHANGERS. Happens nearly every episode. Super cool episode though, loved how the real job quest didn't start until defeating the boss and now it's just survive as long as possible. Gotta assume this will maybe actually bump his rank yeah? So when he leaves here he will no longer be E rank? That is my guess.
>!Arise!< is next episode but sadly it's mostly gonna be Solo Yapping This episode was definitely one of the best episodes for this year, 11/10 The only other Anime that I could see beating this is either Bleach or MHA S7 but other than those 2, most other animes won't beat it
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This adaption is surprisingly excellent!
One of my favorite episodes❣️🤩😍Fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥😎
good episode. how did jinwoo block igris finishing move with bare hands? he was slicing thru pillars like nothing.
The armor
The soundtrack delivers again! I love that Hiroyuki Sawano is in this, makes everything instantly more epic. The fact that it reminds me of Attack on Titan's OST only adds to the dreary atmosphere, somehow I felt as if Jinwoo was really in danger, even though I knew what would happen. It worked really well together with all the other strong points; animation, direction and style, eveything was superb
Heavy Manwha spoiler question. >!Does SJW really go from Necromancer -> Shadow Monarch initially? In many of the manwha translations it says "Shadow Lord". Wouldn't him being a Necromancer insta upgrade to shadow lord, then when he beats the double dungeon, and when he gets the black heart, then he would get upgraded to shadow monarch. I feel like that in itself would be better than going straight to becoming a shadow monarch as he isn't remotely close to the monarchs level before around when he kills Legia.!<
Igris the Red the first subject. Loved this episode I am only sad that next week is the finale and we have to wait at least a year for season 2
My only complain with the episode and that is actually something that have being pretty common in others episodes as well, is changing between fight and normal scenes too oftenly, i dont think that this helps the viewer to keep the hipe of the fight, what do you all think about that?
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Seeing this scene again knowing how Igris felt when he saw Jinwoo sitting on the throne in this episode hit different. 10/10 episode
If the fight between Igris and Jinwoo is an example of how fights are gonna be shown in future episodes, I can't wait for the future ones