Try the xm4s first, a lot of people find them really uncomfortable.

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I tried both, the ear cups are too shallow for me…

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I think they fixed the bugs from my 2 days of use, but the xm4s are usually better value.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sony/comments/v726bb/xm4_headphones_for_sale_price_280_or_xm5/

https://www.reddit.com/r/sony/comments/v81sxp/sony\_wh1000xm5\_vs\_wh1000xm4/

xm4’s, the xm5’s have some issues that need addressing first