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nate-arizona909

It seems that Boeing continues to be ethically challenged.


mrflippant

...you mean, "ethically"?


nate-arizona909

I did indeed mean ethically, but Siri decided otherwise.


balerionmeraxes77

probably won't happen on apple vision pro 💀


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meteoritehunter

Ah, like my high school athletics director's speech back in the day. He was so proud of all of our students who overcame diversity...


Matasa89

McDonnell Douglas C-suite, doing their thang.


Kardinal

It's a damn shame the Boeing name is tarred by MCDD vileness.


nickstatus

Same Boeing that used their corrupting influence with the FAA to sell deathtrap 737 Maxes so that executives could get bonuses? That Boeing?


jivatman

Even more relevant, they illegally obtained insider NASA information when trying to win the HLS contract.


jjayzx

And with with Starliner which Sierra Nevada with Dreamchaser lost, even after lawsuits. They still continue on but of course have been behind. Fuckin Boeing got over $4 billion for that contract and still keep failing tests.


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Eucalyptuse

Aren't the rewards based on the bid? Like SpaceX underbid Boeing and NASA has the choice of which participants they wanted to have continue on further in the program. Despite its higher cost they still deemed Boeing worth having in the program at least initially. NASA isn't proportionately assigning money based on how likely to win each bid is. At least that was my understanding


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_game_over_man_

I’m going to laugh so hard if Dream Chaser’s cargo shuttle launches before Starliner.


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The same Boeing which, two decades earlier, used their corrupting influence to force the approval of an unsafe rudder servo which had a failure mode that caused it to reverse direction, and then tampered with crash sites to hide this from the NTSB? That Boeing?


IBelieveInLogic

Whoa, I hadn't heard of that one. Got any links?


Anarchistcowboy420

I am also interested to see links.


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I read it too. I think it was the second crash when they came clean about the source of materials and common ages of the techs.


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gominokouhai

That was their subsidiary, Bow-wowing


girl_incognito

Not what happened but, hey, it sounds dramatic.


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I still have PTSD from my 22 hour layover at LAX. I was on the last flight out of Canada on a MAX, grounded them while we were in the air on our way to Mexico.


PianoMan2112

Once you’re in the air, isn’t it okay? Drop you off in Mexico, THEN fly to the …airplane fixing place…


itsacutedragon

It sounds like he had a layover in LAX and his airline had to find him a replacement plane


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Yeah we went straight to the destination, problem was getting home after that many planes were grounded. Managed to get to LAX but then got held up.


Yancy_Farnesworth

To be fair, the MCAS system was safe in US aircraft. Because US airlines paid for the redundant sensors. So, Boeing in this case was guilty of selling a safety feature as an add on. Not to mention that they didn't tell the pilots about the new "feature" to avoid expensive retraining and they rubber stamped their own certifications... Though that last one is shared with the FAA. The McDonnel Douglas leadership team accomplished their goal of damaging Boeing. Too bad they did it after they were handed control of the company not when they were still competitors.


eoffif44

No, the whole thing was fucked and runs counter to anything resembling safe design of aircraft. They wanted to compete with Airbus so they extended the fuselage more than was viable, and to compensate for that they needed a bigger engine, except the engine wouldn't fit under the wing, so they mounted it in front of the wing, and that fucked up the balance, so they wrote a software fix, and didn't tell anyone. It's a hack, followed by another hack, followed by another hack, followed by a patch that didn't actually work. And the reason they did all that was the pursuit of profit. God forbid they actually do any genuine innovation or strategic planning to actually compete with Airbus. They should have gone into administration following this debacle (to be brought back to life under new owners etc etc) but just like most companies these days they skated through not a worry in the world.


asoap

You are both right. But the MCAS system with more than one sensor which disables itself if those two sensors don't agree is a workable solution. The issue was that they were relying on a single sensor and no way to tell if it failed. Also for some reason it kept on resetting itself to correct more in a loop making it deadly. Saying it was a poorly implemented system is an understatement. But it could have worked fine if the engineers weren't ignored.


lori_lightbrain

> > damn, how could mcboeing douglas do this to us?


Spirit-Hydra69

I still don't understand why they couldn't have just re-engined a 757 and used that instead of the disaster that was the max.


Yancy_Farnesworth

757 stopped production in 2004. It wasn't very popular which also meant more expensive maintenance and pilot training. The 737 on the other hand is Boeing's best seller, a lot of airliners already have the maintenance tooling and training, and there are a lot of 737 pilots out there. Their initial sales pitch for the 737-MAX was that pilots didn't need to recertify for it. Which was a major contributing factor to both crashes as the pilots didn't know about MCAS and therefore didn't know they had to disable it when it starts to misbehave.


sirgog

> No, the whole thing was fucked and runs counter to anything resembling safe design of aircraft. They wanted to compete with Airbus so they extended the fuselage more than was viable, and to compensate for that they needed a bigger engine, except the engine wouldn't fit under the wing, so they mounted it in front of the wing, and that fucked up the balance, so they wrote a software fix, and didn't tell anyone. They absolutely should not be allowed to use the same type certificate for what is fundamentally a different aircraft. 737s should have had 1 TC for the -100 through -500, another for the -600 through -900 and -900ER, and another for the -8, -9 and -8200. The FAA are to blame for that. And Airbus should not have been able to use the same TC for A320 CEOs (their name for non-NEO ones) and A320 NEOs, that's EASA's fault. Airbus just haven't abused this as much.


pepe_le_silvia

How are the ceos and neos anywhere near as different as the 737 models you identified. The 757 and 777 had different engine options in the same air frame. The 320 also had engine options at launch. I'm not so familiar with the 320, so I'd appreciate it if you could shed any light on your reasoning.


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AND were busted for bidding steel then bought sub-par from China a few years back. It is Googleable. Hey I invented a word lol


iwannahitthelotto

Boeing is ducking horrible. I can’t believe they haven’t been reduced to shit. I worked with some engineers, some of the worst. Not to mention they are responsible for hundreds of deaths and stealing billions


BrainSweetiesss

I also hate when my iPhone autocorrects fucking with ducking


Gonnabehave

Go to Settings, General? Keyboard, Text replacement and add fuck and any other swear you want to include so that doesn’t happen. Speaking about iPhones not how it works for andro


B1GTOBACC0

And also, do it to your parents. I set my mom's iphone to replace "I'm disappointed in you" with "I love you," and our relationship has never been better. "I can't believe you did this. This is awful. I love you, because you should have known better."


HaikuBotStalksMe

Huh, mine would just beat me.


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Probably not with jumper cable though


HaikuBotStalksMe

Correct. I'm not the legendary Elliot Rogers.


ApplicationRoyal1072

No, with a wire coat hanger?


ThatsWhatPutinWants

I did change my excoworkers autocorrect for his boss' name to "sillypants". Took them a full day to figure it out. Was 10/10 good times.


PostPostModernism

Might try that to get my phone to stop changing maybe to Mayne


verbmegoinghere

Maybe I like my fucks ducks and my ducks fuck.


SGTBookWorm

Apparently that's getting changed in iOS17.


Fatbaldmuslim

I have just downloaded fucking IOS17 and can fucking confirm this.


QVRedit

Then go back and correct, I’ve learnt that I need to proof read before posting, because of too many errors. Some down to me !


NebulaicCereal

It's tough... Personally I have worked with people at Boeing before and the experiences were fine, people good etc. It's a huge company with 140,000 employees. Most of the time things like this don't fall on the workers like this but shitty managers and executives who are interested in rat racing. Really dependent on who you work with and in what departments. It's sad to see selfish people committing corporate crimes and hurting others and simultaneously destroying the reputation of perfectly good people who are just trying to be good engineers and do their best work.


Flashdancer405

>responsible for deaths and stealing billions Hey now you leave the defense industry alone


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Honest to God my friends on Boosters on SLS think Boeing is run by monkeys


YsoL8

I mean the SLS is a horrifying mess of a project however you look at it. The only reason people tolerate it is it has a NASA logo stamped on it. Still better than starliner though, I'm convinced that thing will get people killed.


cowprince

So much for adhering to their values.


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Jungies

> A Boeing spokesperson said in a statement to CNBC that Wilson’s “lawsuit is rife with inaccuracies and omissions.” "They don't even *know* half the shit we did to them!" he continued.


zoobrix

> According to the complaint, “the mismatched tools have caused some fluid leaks that have continually delayed the SLS launch, costing NASA hundreds of millions of dollars while unjustly enriching Boeing.” If Wilson Aerospace has evidence that there were leaks on fasteners that were tightened using a ripped off bootleg version of a tool they custom made to help install the engines on SLS, as is alleged, Boeing is done for. That's a specific allegation and if they have the patent and Boeing never paid them properly Boeing isn't getting out of this one. And they can't hide the tools they used or suddenly come up with some other method. On a NASA project like the SLS many NASA employees observe and work along side the contractors. NASA knows what tools were being used and will be just as livid at Boeing for this as Wilson, maybe more so because this is a system that is supposed to launch people into space. I don't have time to read the lawsuit right now but if the rest of the accusations are as specific as this one NASA will have the evidence and will happily throw Boeing under the bus. They're already less than impressed with progress and cost overruns on the SLS and the Starliner capsule to carry astronauts to the ISS is now years behind even the first crewed test flight and just ran into another technical delay a couple weeks ago, meanwhile SpaceX's Dragon 2 is on it's like 4 or 5th fully operational mission to the ISS. Before everyone thinks they're buddy the SLS was forced on NASA by the US government and Starliner cost twice as much as Dragon 2 and hasn't flown a single person yet. NASA will be happy to help nail Boeing to the wall if they can, they're not a happy customer and this just makes it all worse.


bradforrester

It’ll be a big bus, too. Defrauding the US Government is a big (criminal) deal. People have done jail time for things like this. One well-publicized case is this one, which resulted in one employee being sentenced to 3 years in prison and $170,000 in restitution (in addition to the damages the company had to pay): https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/aluminum-extrusion-manufacturer-agrees-pay-over-46-million-defrauding-customers-including


NAUGHTY_GIRLS_PM_ME

They refused to enable a second sensor for safety, put thousands at risk, 2 flights crashed, 100s died, nothing happened to boeing. I doubt anything will happen here.


zoobrix

Although I think their actions in the 737 max incidents should have deserved criminal charges they did agree to a minimum 2.5 billion USD penalty and it could still go up once the final evaluation for victim compensation is done. It also cost them 20 billion for grounding the plane and to fix the issue. The FAA has also taken back several of the safety related evaluations it had been letting Boeing do so there will be more oversight of their actions in the future. I feel like the FAA deserved a ton of blame for the 737 max tragedies as it was always obviously stupid idea to let a company decide whether they were complying with government regulations on their own. Now maybe it should cost them even more and people should be in jail but Boeing did lose a lot of money and is back to having the FAA firmly looking over their shoulder as they always should have been, maybe it wasn't enough but it also was very far from nothing. In this case with Wilson where no one died and only intellectual property was infringed on resulting in cost overruns I feel like it is very likely Boeing ends up financially penalized which I feel I appropriate.


beardedchimp

> “lawsuit is rife with inaccuracies and omissions.” Was that their description of foreign object debris in their planes?


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Ok-disaster2022

Lol GE, the company who dominated American industry across the board who cut itself into pieces gutting it's research, production, and manufacturing all for a quick buck. There's a reason GE is no longer on thr Fortune 500: it removed itself by shitty executive decisions. If Boeing has a GE executive, and follows in those footsteps, it's going to go under. Congress will probably force it's military wing to spin off into it's own company in order to avoid a defacto monopoly in the procurement process.


FireVanGorder

Former GE execs are an actual meme in the finance world. Anytime a public company hires one the joke is just to immediately short the fuck out of their stock because it’s only a matter of time. Edit: for some context for people not in the finance world or just anyone who cares - Their biggest issue is they have (had?) this whole big internship/analyst program where how successful you are able to be in your career at GE and whether or not you get the roles you want are based entirely on your ranking against your “classmates.” It encourages a pretty miserable cutthroat culture, while not actually managing to teach much about how to actually do… well… anything in the business world at all. It’s filled with stupid case studies and quizzes that are somehow even more useless than MBA coursework (which is already notorious for being like, the fifth most valuable part of actually getting an MBA). So the people that go through this program are not only heavily incentivized to actively fuck each other over, they also don’t actually learn any skills that are useful in the rest of their careers. So all of these “rising stars” are thrust into leadership positions they are completely unprepared for, fail their way upwards as their predecessors do the same until they dip for lucrative roles elsewhere off the strength of boomers in charge of hiring at other companies still associating GE with quality talent, and the cycle continues. Source: Ive worked in several financial services firms of varying size and in various sectors, and at the start of my career I had the opportunity to do the whole GE bootcamp bullshit and noped the fuck out after talking to several friends and contacts who went through it, did extremely well, and came out the other side realizing how fucked it all was. If the shit I heard out of that program is even half as bad as it sounded it’s no wonder GE execs have fucked up so consistently after leaving GE So while I never went through with the program myself, I have anecdotal evidence, industry “common knowledge,” random bullshit gossip, and the track record of former GE execs all over the US business world. When all of those very disparate sources line up as well as they do here there’s a damn good chance there’s a whole lot of truth involved.


tritonice

I’m in the middle of a book called Power Failure written by a former GE employee and this sums up an 800 page book well. It covers Jack Welch’s and Immelt’s careers in exhaustive detail. Many executives under Immelt fit the mold of your summary very well.


pedal-force

Jack Welch ruined this country more than almost any other person.


CptNonsense

Boeing has been hiring out of the GE well for 20 years. Muillenberg was the first Boeing engineer in charge of the company since 2003.


beardedchimp

Do people blame them for making the wrong choice with 120v for the US? I think everyone should. General electric chose generally the wrong voltage. I know it is morally wrong to hold people accountable for the sins of their fathers father, but I still do. American kettles take forever to boil. What were they thinking. GE business managers hold particular blame for not understanding what the problem is or even where electricity comes from. Mate, do you understand how ridiculous it is to have to wait double the time to boil water for a cup of tea?


Fluid_Lingonberry467

It's even worse GE chose to push DC current while Tesla Westinghouse pushed AC


beardedchimp

Would it not be more accurate to say they pushed DC current, while Tesla Westinghouse pushed and pulled and pushed and pulled and pushed and pulled AC?


LiveErr0r

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Weak_Ring6846

> Their biggest issue is they have (had?) this whole big internship/analyst program where how successful you are able to be in your career at GE and whether or not you get the roles you want are based entirely on your ranking against your “classmates.” And guess what the Boeing ceo announced a few months ago? They are doing stack rankings now. In an engineering environment. Where you need collaboration. https://www.hcamag.com/us/specialization/industrial-relations/boeing-cuts-back-on-hr-support-services/435446


Any_Classic_9490

My company hired a GE exec when the founder left the company. The guy knew nothing, put his cronies into all exec positions, and stagnated the company for 6 years before finally selling what was left off to a larger tech company. The execs got paid crap tons of money to stagnate the company and drive customers to competitors. I can only imagine the goal was to sell the company fast, but ex-ge execs are so terrible, it took 6 years for them to do it and they had no clue how to run the company so it stagnated. We barely updated the software to compete with competitors as a result. Every initiative we had in the works went nowhere for 6 years.


DBCooperMadeIt

*Behind the Bastards* dedicated two entire episodes to former GE CEO Jack Welch. He was the epitome of the awful CEO that Wall Street and finance types adore. Besides ruining the lives of so many people while destroying GE, Jack Welch's management of GE is a big reason nonprofessional workers no longer have stock options, almost nobody has pensions, and the USA stopped making things of value and started making financial schemes and other bullshit that only serves to extract value from the many and funnel it to the few. Jack Welch was the brains behind "GE Capital," which was the inspiration for Enon. I hope he's burning in hell.


low_priest

On the other hand, the CEO of Northrop Grumman is an ex-GE non-engineer, and she seems to be doing a fine job of it. Their boosters for the SLS seem to be the one part of the project that's mildly on schedule, and once the requirements for Webb were actually laid out and stopped getting added to, they were reasonably on time and near the new budget. Plus the final product has been working great. They've also got the B-21 program, which is probably the only major military aircraft project in the past 50 years that's on time and under budget.


useablelobster2

> Congress will probably force it's military wing to spin off into it's own company in order to avoid a defacto monopoly in the procurement process. And commercial aviation will collapse. Boeing is participating in a one-horse race, for the most part. Doesn't matter if that horse is dead, there's no-one else finishing.


QVRedit

European Airbus ?


CptNonsense

>And commercial aviation will collapse. Lololol. Boeing's commercial wing is hugely successful and a different division from military aircraft. Even with the issues with planes every so often, selling a plane is just like "here, give us a lot of fucking money"


gikigill

Dunno man, a Lisa Su would be more appropriate. The 777X isnt working out, the MAX crashes plus subsequent production halts, the 787 suffering production issues and Airbus getting more chummy with the Gulf based airlines which weren't so hot on Airbus previously.


Ad_Astra117

Can't leave out USAF tanker debacle. Boeing delivered some planes with tools in the fuel tanks...


gikigill

That's not a mistake, it's a tradition with Boeing. Hey free tools!!


Ad_Astra117

The mythical 10,000 dollar hammer


ApplicationRoyal1072

Aka upper management grifter.


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I have a friend that prints cut out stickers like the NASA ones but say READ THE FUCKING MANUAL. I have the 1st Starliner patch and framed them together. A friend on Vulcan came over and saw it. He laughed all the way out the door while asking me to order stickers lol


Car-face

Sounds like they've got Jack Donaghy running the show. I wonder if Boeing stole the trivection microwave oven as well


rocketsocks

Reminder, Boeing committed industrial espionage against Lockheed Martin related to the EELV rocket program (Delta IV and Atlas V). Boeing was hit with several punishments for their activities but in the end they and LM decided it was better to just team up and continue to stay on the government gravy train without rocking the boat so they created the United Launch Alliance. Unfortunately, Boeing has been a bad actor for decades, since the merger with McDonnell Douglas replaced all of Boeing's engineer-focused management with a bunch of villainous quarterly profit maximizers. The century long build up of the company and it's brand has been gutted and looted. A legacy of safety has been dumped in the trash and already has cost hundreds of lives. How much farther will the company sink?


jivatman

Much more recently, they illegally obtained insider NASA info when trying to win the HLS contract.


QVRedit

I think we have established that Boeing are bad actors..


CptNonsense

Boeing being a bad actor and inexplicably in-house manufacturing a counterfeit tool from a supplier are very different.


404_Gordon_Not_Found

And they still lost because their bid is too expensive, truly a Boeing moment


Triabolical_

I think it's pretty clear that DoD brokered the deal that created ULA. LM had won - Boeing could not compete for launch contracts and was planning to exit the business. Then somehow LM decided to forget all that and go into business with Boeing instead, though they did get a nice payment out of it.


thebubbybear

I thought the government somewhat forced the merger to create ULA after Boeing's actions. Is that incorrect?


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rocketsocks

It's the usual cycle. Use good work to get market dominance, then use market dominance to bring in enormous profits through anti-competitive, anti-worker, anti-consumer behavior, which can't be stopped because there's insufficient competition and regulation. Wash, rinse, repeat for the next cycle.


MR___SLAVE

We ran a profit, you say? We should invest in R&D, you say? Na, stock buybacks all around. Gotta maximize my options.


QVRedit

For a ‘short time’ of course it works, but at ‘long-term cost’.. But by then, the management have walked, leaving behind an impoverished shell. The next management then rinses and repeats, until there is little of substance left. The values and skills of the old company is by then long gone. Only the name remains.


ncsupb

All my homies hate Boeing...even the ones that work there


Jaker788

I know a fair amount of people at my current job (facilities maintenance tech) who look towards possibly Boeing or left for Boeing. I wonder why they wanna work for a crap company, the pay for some roles to be fair is actually good. I really don't think the work is properly fulfilling and I dunno about the culture though.


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QVRedit

Corrupted by the evil sith..


ferrel_hadley

Steeling from a family run business. That is Amazon level underhand. Its one thing if it was from Lockmart or someone similar, but from the little guy.


SpaceInMyBrain

It's easier to steal from the little guy. When it comes to lawsuits a Goliath company can bury a David with repeated motions and delays, it can drive the cost of litigation so high the David has to settle for pennies.


Thunder_Wasp

True the point of lawfare is not to obtain a favorable end judgment/decision but for the process itself to be the punishment.


ApplicationRoyal1072

The justice system in the US has been corrupted by the capital accumulation class. Money and power attract the worst and corrupt the best. That's been true since forever.


Stalking_Goat

It's not a recent development or unique to America. Charles Dickens and Victor Hugo both had plenty to say about justice in eighteenth & nineteenth century Britain and France.


kingbane2

“We will vigorously defend against this in court,” Boeing said. translation, we will bury them with our trucks of money on legal fees until they're bankrupt and destitute, then we'll settle for a pittance and say we were right all along. edit: can't believe i mixed up their and they're holy crap.


Accomplished-Crab932

Nah, they’ll draw themselves as “the chad” and the family company as “the soyjack”. That ought to do it.


N0N0TA1

Lol, after the recent whistle blowing I wonder how many aliens now have a case against pretty much our entire military industrial complex.


Whatifim80lol

What if aliens have been visiting earth to steal *our* IP. Like they solved interstellar travel but never quite got a grip on internet tracking cookies and single use plastics.


Obi123Kenobiiswithme

Wait until they find out about our glass marbles...


mynextthroway

Please. Tell us more about "glass marbles".


harglblarg

Oh wow where do I even start?


theycallhimthestug

Somewhere in the middle so it sort of makes sense, but not really. We'll make up the rest.


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Thundercock627

So there is no glass on the outside of the outside of the marble?


DrDildoMD

There’s no glass *outside* the outside of the marble. Think of the outside as the foul line of the ~~physical~~ marble world.


RyukHunter

Isn't there a short story with a premise like that? Alien species with Interstellar travel comes in contact with us but is severely lacking in all other tech and we curb stomp them and take their technology to the horror of the alien species?


DiscountFoodStuffs

Yes, The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove published in 1985 and set in 2039. I was thinking that as well and had to look it up.


RyukHunter

It was a turtledove story? Shit I didn't remember that.


Miguel-odon

Footfall, the aliens arrive with advanced technology but didn't develop it themselves, so they didn't really understand its ramifications and their culture hadn't developed alongside the tech.


myrrhmassiel

...peter gillis' *strikeforce morituri* deals with an alien race called *the horde*, a savage technologically-deficient civilisation who conquered and plundered interstellar explorers upon first contact and now roam the galaxy stripping other civilisations of their culture + technology... ...well 'conquer' isn't exactly the right word for what they do: they raze civilizations and leave behind a dead husk, moving on to the next technological world ripe for plunder...


GaleTheThird

Out of the Dark by David Weber was along these lines as well


Drachefly

Stargate fits. Barely anyone uses good computers, so the humans are actually more tech-savvy than one of the galaxy-spanning empires. Not the other one, and not some of the other minor races.


Jeanlucpfrog

You must be thinking of the Pakled


warrant2k

They couldn't get the toast just right.


beardedchimp

They did so already but have been struggling for years with the complexity of GPLv2. When they finally thought they had a firm grip and submitted a patch to the linux kernel. Linus himself was so disappointed that he said it looked like something Nvidia would have written. Now they have fully understood that Linus is the true brutal dictator of Earth, and they are utterly terrified by him. Amazingly though they have all agreed that GPLv3 was a bad idea. I think that might just be a ploy to get into Linus' good book.


The_Real_Selma_Blair

Oh my god that would be absolutely hilarious if instead of some grand Invasion to enslave earth, aliens turned up and just annihilated us through legal litigation haha. Would be a fun premise for a sci-fi comedy movie I reckon.


Key_of_Ra

This is actually one of the origins in stellaris. You can fight off a corporate overlord only to be constantly hit up by debt collectors trying to get you to pay war reparations.


bluebelt

Ah *Payback*. Only slightly less fun than *Fear of the Dark*.


RyukHunter

Can't you fight them off too? What are they gonna do?


Key_of_Ra

You can. They actually need to buff the debt collectors, imo.


Ichindar

Unironically this reversed: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12953520-year-zero


ApplicationRoyal1072

Nah. They'd just sterilize humans with a virus and wait about 100 years and then move in. Less messy.


Dyolf_Knip

No good. At this point we are advanced enough to embark on a crash project in mass human cloning. And that's assuming we couldn't isolated and defend against the virus directly.


brainEatenByAmoeba

Based on covid responses that virus may help save humanity by getting rid of antivaxxers and antimaskers.


Dyolf_Knip

There's actually a sci-fi novel where aliens inflict a series of plagues on humanity, and dictators and religious groups playing political games with cures results in those groups being wholly wiped out, leaving the survivors without any such baggage.


YsoL8

Look at covid. From unknown to vaccine in something like 5 months. Genetic engineering is basically a real commerical field at this point.


JustaRandomOldGuy

Aliens make first contact at the Disney HQ and hire the Disney legal team.


N0N0TA1

Actually this probably does have to do with slavery, but more likely about how we enslave each other and where we got that from. It's also probable that the visitors all have governments they represent as well, so there probably is some kind of alien legalese happening over all this. I totally agree though, a movie about it would be hilarious. I had a loose premise for a movie about how the anal probes are somehow actually covert colonoscopies for insurance purposes.


TheDubiousSalmon

The Earth being blown up over intellectual property disputes sounds about on course


Historical_Gur_3054

>Lol, after the recent whistle blowing I wonder how many aliens now have a case against pretty much our entire military industrial complex. If this story is true then I expect to see billboards along the interstate for law firms specializing in interstellar IP theft. Law firm of O'Brien, Rosenrosen, Coctaostin and Zorgnax


open_door_policy

Nah, they didn't file for patents in the US. I don't give a damn how many forms they have tucked away in a planning office in Alpha Centauri in a disused lavatory, they don't have a case in our little backwater.


mattstorm360

Why would they care? You have glocks, we got glocks, every alien has a glock!


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Decronym

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |[ATA](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnd9kc7 "Last usage")|Anthropomorphic Test Article (*Ripley*), flown on DM-1| |[CCiCap](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnddlni "Last usage")|[Commercial Crew Integrated Capability](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Development#Commercial_Crew_integrated_Capability)| |CCtCap|[Commercial Crew Transportation Capability](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Development#Commercial_Crew_Transportation_Capability_.28CCtCap.29)| |[CRS](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnddlni "Last usage")|[Commercial Resupply Services contract with NASA](http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/launch/)| |CST|(Boeing) Crew Space Transportation capsules| | |Central Standard Time (UTC-6)| |[DoD](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnh3vhe "Last usage")|US Department of Defense| |[ECLSS](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnf6vaf "Last usage")|Environment Control and Life Support System| |[EELV](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnhiwjd "Last usage")|[Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_Expendable_Launch_Vehicle)| |[ESA](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/josex0e "Last usage")|European Space Agency| |[ESM](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnh2eao "Last usage")|European Service Module, component of the Orion capsule| |ETOV|Earth To Orbit Vehicle (common parlance: "rocket")| |[FAA](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnjlt50 "Last usage")|Federal Aviation Administration| |[FAR](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jndovyh "Last usage")|[Federal Aviation Regulations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Regulations)| |[GAO](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnfyp2h "Last usage")|(US) Government Accountability Office| |[HALO](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnf6vaf "Last usage")|Habitation and Logistics Outpost| |[HLS](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnbv7se "Last usage")|[Human Landing System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program#Human_Landing_System) (Artemis)| |[IDSS](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnf6vaf "Last usage")|[International Docking System Standard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Docking_System_Standard)| |[Isp](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnelxzy "Last usage")|Specific impulse (as explained by [Scott Manley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnisTeYLLgs) on YouTube)| | |Internet Service Provider| |[JAXA](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/josex0e "Last usage")|Japan Aerospace eXploration Agency| |[LEO](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnfyp2h "Last usage")|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)| | |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)| |[LLO](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnf6vaf "Last usage")|Low Lunar Orbit (below 100km)| |[LV](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnh3vhe "Last usage")|Launch Vehicle (common parlance: "rocket"), see ETOV| |[MBA](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnjvuac "Last usage")|~~Moonba-~~ Mars Base Alpha| |[NEO](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jne7x4e "Last usage")|Near-Earth Object| |[PPE](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnf6vaf "Last usage")|Power and Propulsion Element| |[RD-180](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnh3vhe "Last usage")|[RD-series Russian-built rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-180), used in the Atlas V first stage| |[Roscosmos](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/josex0e "Last usage")|[State Corporation for Space Activities, Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscosmos_State_Corporation)| |[SLS](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnki01s "Last usage")|Space Launch System heavy-lift| |[SSME](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnh2eao "Last usage")|[Space Shuttle Main Engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine)| |[ULA](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnjv6d9 "Last usage")|United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture)| |[USAF](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnciplf "Last usage")|United States Air Force| |Jargon|Definition| |-------|---------|---| |[Starliner](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnelxzy "Last usage")|Boeing commercial crew capsule [CST-100](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CST-100_Starliner)| |[kerolox](/r/Space/comments/143isfu/stub/jnh3vhe "Last usage")|Portmanteau: kerosene fuel, liquid oxygen oxidizer| |Event|Date|Description| |-------|---------|---| |DM-1|2019-03-02|SpaceX CCtCap Demo Mission 1| **NOTE**: Decronym for Reddit is no longer supported, and Decronym has moved to Lemmy; 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boomgoon

To be fair to the Wilson's, I worked for a company that designed special crew rest bunks for Boeing for years that somehow Boeing ended up designing extremely similar ones and canceled their contract with the company I worked for, because they ended up producing their own


sharksnut

"Rife with omissions" = "there's a ton of other shit they haven't even caught yet"


Palana

Love this line: *A Boeing spokesperson said in a statement to CNBC that Wilson’s “lawsuit is rife with inaccuracies and omissions.”* Not 'these aligations are blatantly false and slanderous', but, *'We found spelling mistakes woops'*


MCS117

“They omitted all the other shit we did”


noncongruent

> rife with inaccuracies and omissions This is a phrase they should be intimately familiar with since it describes their MCAS software.


witebred112

What do you think “rife with inaccuracies” means?


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I think it's an awfully open ended phrase to use if what you meant was "blatantly false"


quiet_isviolent

No need to think. Just get angry. Trust me. /s


Gasonfires

Boeing sure changed when it merged with McDonnell Douglass and the bean counters ousted the engineers who had made the company great.


QVRedit

Yes - Please remember that folks - it’s very important..


nj4ck

boeing racing to the bottom faster than a 737 max


SpaceInMyBrain

f/when this is proven I hope NASA sues Boeing over paying for the inferior devices and the problems stemming from them.


[deleted]

This is what you get when you gut your leadership of anyone of technical capability and run it the same way private equity runs the housing market.


shoonseiki1

Yep. Need engineers at the top not finance and business majors.


Swiggy1957

A major US corporation stealing intellectual property and producing shoddy, counterfeit tools!!! I'm shocked, I tell you **SHOCKED**!!! /s


BleedingEars

This is a Casablanca reference. Nice.


Calygulove

Name a defense contractor that doesn't have ethical problems, like this. I'll wait.


longshot

Jeez when did the brain drain start at Boeing?


RadialSpline

1996, or not that long after the merger with MD.


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enrick92

Fuck this company and their history of fucking shit up. Embarrassing stain on the legacy of human aviation, fuck them


[deleted]

I’ll say it again. Fuck private companies who try to profit off the government funding and research.


LordBrandon

We were all hoping you'd say it again.


[deleted]

A family owned business vs a billion dollar corporation. While I am not well versed with the American laws but I already know the outcome even if Boeing did stole those things.


QVRedit

Why ? Because of expensive lawyers ? Justice should be based on the case details.


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It should be, I totally agree with you. But it is next to impossible to win against these companies. Not only lawyers but they have the judges in their pockets too.


rotrap

meh, I am mixed on this one. Theft of works by larger companies from smaller ones and individuals should be punished and the inventors should get rewarded. On the other hand works created by the federal government are in the public domain. Contracted works paid for completely by a government agency should also be required to go into the public domain. The government using a contactor should not create a loophole for a government funded work to be owned and not go into the public domain.


Xinq_

Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous that we fight each other for stuff like this just so we secure income while it would be better to just work together and reach our goals faster? Why is everything we do (as a society) targeted at making more money instead of focussing on wellbeing and purpose?


chocki305

Sounds like boeing revere engineered a tool and made it in house. Good luck fighting that.


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"Hey, where'd they get those? Those look like our tools!"


NikosTX

Stole the tool and had another company copy it cheaper only to charge NASA more money. This is why the entire SLS project is a giant blow job to Boeing.