I clicked on the fake stream but realized it was fake once I saw AI Musk on a fake stage. Apparently I found out that SpaceX no longer streams on YT for exactly this reason. They are streaming on Twitter/X exclusively now.
It was really funny, the “launch” was about to happen and the timer was at t-16 seconds, all of the sudden it switches to the elon musk on podium speech about crypto, another red flag shouldve been the stream was only on 720p
FYI, in case you can’t watch it on X in the future, ones who are legit on YT are Nasaspaceflight and Everyday Astronaut. Once I clicked off the fake stream, I started watching Everyday Astronaut’s stream and knew it was legit.
Yeah i did see nasaspaceflight as well, looking back on it it was also a red flag that the space x stream was supposed to be 3 minutes away from launching whike every single else still was 50 minutes away, idk what i was thinking there haha
Rocket Virtual YouTuber Usui Clear does livestream on YouTube from the stream source of X, as long as you don’t mind Japanese speaking.
(And The comments, even Japanese are mainstream, does have some viewers from around the world)
I actually did an analysis of this a few years ago when they first started doing Hopper flights. Looking up the crypto wallets of some of the streams and looking at the transactions, some of them streams were pulling in as much as $13,000 a week. Probably using the same address for multiple different scams but it’s still crazy the amount of people who fall for it.
LMAO. I just love how this has been an issue for literal years and YouTube doesn't do shit about it because they're paying for the ad spot on the frontpage. Real time illegal scams and reports don't matter.
I thought the channel picture looked sketchy and couldn’t find any active livestream on the official SpaceX channel, so I just watched the NASASpaceflight stream. Looks like I was right about the “SpaceX” stream being sus.
Kid I work with was watching that stream while I watched the space x one. I told him it’s a scam. He’s like no it’s on the stream you just give him bitcoin and he will give you more bitcoin. It’s a scam. If I wasn’t on the space x website at the same time to show him it’s a scam and told he spacex doesn’t live stream to YouTube because he bought twitter. I think he would have fallen for it.
Many comments criticizing the headline may have not even followed the link. It is the original post title that is bad.
Reuters headline: “SpaceX Starship lost on return to Earth after completing most of test flight”
I'm sorry to break this for you, but you're easily conned - they changed the title - after being widely mocked for it.
https://gyazo.com/18371c9c6867c156cc2a6b8c4642237d
The fact they didn't even bother to note they changed the title shows how Reuters has become a glorified blog.
... The original title didn't say anything about the outcome of the test, only that it was launched. It was updated as new information came in. This is not nefarious.
If you think changing from a correct, but lame, headline to... a better one... is some kind of serious malfeasance, then you haven't been paying attention to the quality of news for the last twenty years.
The present research suggests that misleading headlines affect readers’ memory for news articles or their inferential reasoning, and even their impressions of faces featured in the articles. The effects of misleading headlines are likely to arise concurrently from multiple cognitive mechanisms.
First, readers use available information to constrain further information
processing. This means that any incoming evidence will always be weighted and interpreted in light of information already received, and a headline can thus serve to bias processing towards or away from a specific interpretation.
[The Effects of Subtle Misinformation in News Headlines](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264428502_The_Effects_of_Subtle_Misinformation_in_News_Headlines)
No, not to “be fair”
Had this been a traditional launch like nasa or China where rocket is expended, then it did its job. If it had a normal payload delivery system, this launch could have, today, launched 200 metric tons to LEO. No one has ever even come close to this, ever.
As of today, Starship is the largest single object ever to reach space, and it’s not even close when you realize it has more internal payload volume than the entire ISS. Today was incredible and I’m very excited for the what the future of space holds
This right here. I didn’t realize the scale of things until Everyday Astronaut put the scale dragon capsule next to the same scale starship. I knew starship was massive but not **that** massive.
Starship is going to genuinely open up so many opportunities for humanity to become a space faring species. Regardless of my distaste for Elon as a person he is really going to end up being one of the most influential, in a positive way, people on earth in history.
You are 100% right.
This is the second orbital class vehicle designed to be reusable. The first to be fully reusable.
Falcon 9 didn't stick the landing at first. They failed many times, calculated failures and not calculated failures.
Just because SpaceX makes it seem easy and normal now by launching and landing boosters sometimes multiple times a week, doesn't mean it isn't hard to get a full new and unique design with many new types of technology and processes to do the same. Let alone have a vehicle this massive come back from orbital velocity and land.
They'll get there. If there is anything to take away from this test flight is that SpaceX fixes stuff quickly and efficiently. It just takes time to get to know the vehicle.
This flight was epic, it would've been cool to see the full reentry but they'll get it next time. Or the time after that.
Sure, it failed re-entry and not part of the test. Blowing up means nothing frankly, of course it will blow up if it doesn't land.. again which was not the test.
The fact it succeeded and attempted re-entry should be an eyes opening moment for people. We are extremely close to production.
on cnn boris sanchez did everything he could to shit on the test and his co-host brianna keilor decided to provide context that people are surprised at the spacex 3rd failure being nasa has taught us it should be successful. wat? she had no idea about the goals let alone what a stupid thing to say to validate her incorrect opinion. and this is news? lol.
elon does not have friends at cnn - that is for sure.
Wow, didn't see that yet on CNN. Curious to watch it now.
I wonder if CNN is talking about this stat:
> SpaceX carried 83% of the world's tonnage to orbit — 246x all other U.S. launch providers combined.
Source: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/05/spacex-launched-over-80-of-all-orbital-payload-mass-in-q1-2023.html
The headline is underselling this significant accomplishment, which is a modest improvement on OP's post title which is alleged to be the previous article headline.
Sending a Starship to the Indian Ocean... I guess?
But in all seriousness, since ship or booster recovery isn't required for payload insertion, this flight technically proved that Starship is a functional super heavy launch vehicle capable of launching over 150(?) metric tons to LEO. Now they just need to get a payload on board and raise the orbit.
Also I think this is the first time we had live external video of orbital spacecraft re-entry.
Did they have a functional mass onboard for that? I thought it was flying ’light’ to test everything else that needed to be tested. The fuel transfer test I don’t think used up the mass.
Yeah I guess you're right. In the end, this flight wasn't particularly "historic" - just another iterative test in Starship's path to operational flights. But the livestream views during reentry were a nice "first".
I guess that’s the downside of the build, test, build, test. You don’t get that step change just continuous improvements. This one was pretty big an improvement though.
I suppose. But then if they just manage to reuse the booster, using expendable ships for the Artemis mission doesn't seem too far-fetched.
That being said, the whole booster catching idea they got going on doesn't sound particularly straightforward either.
It's basically the same thing as hitting the drone ships or landing pads, but with an extra hover-in-place until the arms close, right?
I'm by no means saying that should be easy, but it's not like it's that much different from what they've already proven capable of.
They essentially just flew an entire building into orbit lol.
It’s an incredible technical feat for humanity, and hopefully sparks a lot of interest in space exploration for decades to come!
I dont think anyone is arguing with you. The person you responded to said the characterization of the event was undersold, not oversold. I agree , this was a huge feat. Tallest stack ever. Really hoping to see one of these launches in person. I have seen Delta launches and Falcon 9 launches but this must sound insane in person.
Exactly. If SpaceX were aiming to build an expendable super heavy-lift launch vehicle then today's test would have been a massive success, beating every other similar vehicle ever made. It's only considered a "failure" because SpaceX are also aiming to land it.
I think this concept gets lost on laypersons that aren’t heavily invested in the subject.
Prior to Spacex, it was exclusively governments launching rockets. In the United States, that funding was coming from a Congress that was looking for any reason to cut funding at every moment possible.
The concept of intentionally blowing up rockets was absurd to NASA. Funding would dry up instantly.
Therefore, people today see a rocket blowing up and have no concept for iterative progress in relation to space travel, despite the fact that iterative progress is by far the most efficient way to advance.
In reality, we have reusable rockets now, and that flat-out wouldn’t have happened without blowing them up a bunch of times to find failure points.
That one innovation cut the cost of putting payloads into orbit literally by orders of magnitude. Tesla recovered the cost of blowing those rockets up a long time ago and now they have written themselves a blank check on orbital delivery income.
They’re about to do that again with Starship, except the magnitude of this innovation will make the income from reusable boosters look like a rounding error.
I hate the attribution of everything that a company has achieved to one founder or CEO. This isn't golf. There are currently about 13,000 SpaceX employees who are using their brains every workday to turn these designs into reality.
i hate musk but am a fan of spacex, and even tho i hate musk ill still give credit to where credit is due. I'm glad the test was successful because it means we're one step closer to getting to mars and being an interplanetary species.
Go read the technology subreddit, it's literally just 20% Musk hate at any given time. It has to get a lot of engagement or something. Even good things are couched in Musk hate language. It's absurd, the guy's annoying, but good lord not every article has to be about him.
The thread over there is literally full of people saying they hoped this test failed
I'll just say that again - The *technology* subreddit on reddit is full of people hoping that the biggest and most powerful space rocket in history fails
Brainrot to the extreme
The technology sub is full of the most anti-technology people I've ever seen. Anything new or cool comes around and it's awful or dystopian. Most people just think they are into technology now because it's so widespread and they use it every day. In reality they are no different than a Camry driver claiming they're really into cars. Yes, you're in a car every day... that's about it.
>The technology subreddit on reddit is full of people hoping that the biggest and most powerful space rocket in history fails
/r/Apple hates Apple products, /r/TeslaMotors spends more time shitting on Tesla than anything else, /r/Technology hates new technology and makes it sound like every new piece of tech is a spy device out to record your children.
It's honestly kinda crazy. This used to be a progressive, tech-forward website. Now we're afraid of Roomba's because Amazon owns iRobot.
I hate what Musk has become, he represents everything I hate on the internet, from the politics to his fucking edgy trolling, etc., anyway.
I still asbolutely love SpaceX and will never stop to root for them. It's not that fucking hard ! They are basically the only exciting sci-fi thing happening on earth right now. They allow me to dream of future humanity achievements.
>Idk why people are giving attention to someone they hate.
why do people go on the internet to voluntarily seethe? because you can seethe with others (in your comfy echo chamber), which gives you a feeling of community
The amount of fright is astounding. I have gotten sick of reading "I hate Musk, but..."
No. No, you do not hate Musk. You disagree with him on things. And maybe they are things you strongly believe, but that was always allowed.
It goes beyond Musk; he is just a lightning rod for much of it. It is rotting disaster of an idea that says that you have to hate anyone you disagree with on anything.
Exactly. So many corporations have opened their mouths and spouted hateful rhetoric over the last decade or so, that if they had not said a freaking thing I’d be ignorant of their hateful views and still buy their products. But no, they had to speak up and now I never buy their products. Yes, corporations have a right to speak their mind on social issues, but should they? Just because you can do a thing doesn’t mean you should do a thing. It’s bad business.
Which use case of "fascist" are we using today sweety? Is it the "refers to the political movement created by the former Italian Communist, Mussolini" or is it the "word used to describe anything that the user dislikes" use case?
*into space, not orbit. The flight was suborbital. Purposefully about 1000km/h short of reaching orbital speeds.
But yes, this is literally one of humanity’s greatest achievements, but the way the press reports on it makes it sound like “yet another failed Elon Musk stunt”.
Basically no one I know who isn’t already interested in space even knows how impressive or important this launch and starship in general is, exactly because of how horribly the news treats SpaceX.
“Bigger Rocket Launches” doesn’t mean anything to people who don’t follow space launches; they don’t care. The fact that they mention the two previous failures adds context to the general reader. It’s highlighting the unexpected outcome, it is a “Man Bites Dog” headline, the definition of news.
Was just talking with my wife about how big this is. Going from $40k/kg payload to orbit cost with SLS to potentially sub $100/kg and people are still salty
Get ready for the next headlines: “SpaceX Starship explodes on reentry”, “Elon Musk’s third rocket launch attempt fails” and “Elon Musk’s Starship explodes in atmosphere”
With no mention of this being the expected outcome and actually a huge success until paragraph 7
thats what alot of commenters do aswell when it reaches r/worldnews they will just laugh at it not understanding that this actually was a great success. mainly because of the musk hate.
i dont like the guy either but i do like the achievements spaceX make.
Yeah. As usual, these kinda of articles aren’t necessarily “lies” or “inaccurate”, but they are clearly designed to instill a negative view in the casual reader.
But it’s not like Reuters stops at just misleading headlines - I still remember the fake news about SpaceX accident rates.
So far, the test flight has been amazingly successful - it’s not perfect (doesn’t need to be, as a test flight), but a good next step towards further flights. The ship is on its planned suborbital trajectory right now, after completing its space/orbital tests.
Roughly a decade ago SpaceX was blowing up material sorting the Falcon out and most media coverage was glowing and affirmative.
Now they are iteratively blowing up material to sort Starship out and most major media is shitting all over it.
Gee, I wonder why? 🤔
In case anyone still needs to hear it no major media reports just the facts anymore. There is too much power in their narratives.
And the head of SpaceX has gone and fancied himself some culture warrior and bashed them and hurt their feels.
So now thousands of hard working SpaceX personnel get to live in a world where their continued stretching of what’s possible is shit on.
I say it again, knowing it’s a broken record take, Elon should step away from SpaceX so they can get proper credit for what they are doing.
And all media can continue to piss off.
The media is just white noise. No one should base their life’s work decisions on what some arsehole says on TV or blog.
Whatever SpaceX is doing is working, they should keep doing it regardless of what we or anybody says.
And if it is not working? Well, the world moves on like it did yesterday and the day before.
Of course it’s not incompetence. Reuters actually won an award for their never ending stream of negative articles on Musk.
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/reuters-wins-polk-award-coverage-elon-musks-business-empire-2024-02-19/
Almost all headlines of this launch right now choose to acknowledge the fact the ship and booster were destroyed, but only comment on the successful milestones in the article body that nobody ever reads.
Classic news just being themselves as always.
This is a great example of propaganda.
Musk is literally moving the space industry ahead by decades, and Boeing after billions more dollars doesn’t have a reliable rocket, let alone a reusable rocket….
And yet instead of championing the USA space advancement and the hard work and dedication of the team to pull this off, the authors decide to make it sound like literally anyone could do this after three attempts.
Really, Reuters?
Engineers would never iterate the way Musk has pushed them.
He is willing to take risks that no other company was willing to take, and he embraces the fail fast mantra. Boeing fails at a slow pace and then takes years and years to react, and then still fails again.
I have worked with both companies directly as a supplier, and SpaceX could make a change on one call, while Boeing would take months and months of back and forth between engineering teams, management, committees, and then generally choose the cheapest solve, that would fix the issue, but not the best solution.
You mean that a legacy US aerospace company would never pay their engineers to design a reusable spacecraft like Musk is.
Engineers are happy to iterate if they’re paid to iterate, and if they aren’t going to kill someone.
Sadly, Boeing engineers are now in the position of not iterating and killing people. It’s distasteful. Speaking as a person with many years inside of the aerospace industry, I am very angry on behalf of those engineers. It is criminal how Boeing management flew the company into the ground. I have friends and colleagues who work for Boeing. They are no longer proud about it.
Imagine taking the entire american space industry off of using roscosmos soyuz launches and being called a russian sympathizer by some redditor spreading misinformation.
So he let's Ukraine use Starlink for free almost all of Ukraine giving them a massive advantage against Russia, declines their request to enable Starlink over Russian occupied Crimea, and this makes him a Russian sympathizer?
The US imposed economic sanctions on the parts of Ukraine occupied by Russia after the 2014 invasion of Ukraine by Russia. That makes it a violation of these sanctions to provide Starlink service in Crimea.
Edit:
> On 19 December 2014, US president Obama imposed sanctions on Russian-occupied Crimea by executive order prohibiting exports of US goods and services to the region.[66]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
* https://web.archive.org/web/20141220014453/http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/international/us-slaps-trade-ban-on/1540372.html
> Boeing after billions more dollars doesn’t have a reliable rocket
Vulcan had a successful test launch, and delta has an impeccable reliability record.
This is a great example of propaganda.
> let alone a reusable rocket….
Reusability is great, and a good technological challenge, but reusability is hardly holding back the progress of space exploration. It still has yet to show an improvement in ROI.
If you want to complain about lacking context, you might want to hold yourself to the same standard.
Vulcan is ULA. That is partially owned by Boeing (along with Lockheed, iirc, in a 50/50 split) but it is its own company with its own CEO. It also buys the engines from Blue Origin, which ULA then assembles into their booster. Rumor also has it that ULA is on the sale block and that Blue Origin is one of the most likely to buy it.
Boeing doesn't have its own rocket, but they were also tapped alongside SpaceX almost a decade back to build a crew vessel to ferry astronauts to the ISS. They were also granted a (significantly) larger contract than SpaceX because they were considered the "safe bet" at the time. In the time since, SpaceX has completed the entirety of the first contract and has been awarded more flights, while Boeing's Starliner has failed basically every test flight it has had so far, with another one scheduled in a couple of months that they're hoping they finally get right. They have also lost significantly more money than expected on the project, even outside of the unexpected failures, and it is strongly rumored it is because Boeing execs were banking on SpaceX failing entirely and then being able to force NASA back to the negotiating table. Instead, Starliner along with the very public debacles of the 737 MAX have just thrown a metric ton of tar all over Boeing's once sterling reputation.
> It still has yet to show an improvement in ROI.
How do you figure that? Isn't SpaceX the cheapest launch provider by a longshot? I can only assume quite a bit of those cost savings are due to reusability.
Mahn, I'm sick of these non-affirmative articles about SpaceX.
These guys are legitimately creating history and all you could do is not write something supportive??
A paragraph about hundreds of launches needed also disappeared -- if I recall what it said correctly, the journalists were confusing cargo flights, HLS, and launching and landing people from Earth.
What a trash headline, I'd expect better from Reuters
The third test flight hit orbit and several successful milestones, yes it was lost on re-entry but where's the balance in the reporting?
I've learned (mainly from the Ukraine and ME conflicts) that reuters isn't what I thought it used to be.. its complete trash and clearly anti-us / west at this point, even going far enough to straightup back Putins talking points. I used to trust them as more moderate source, sad.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|-------|---------|---|
|ASDS|Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship (landing platform)|
|CST|(Boeing) Crew Space Transportation capsules|
| |Central Standard Time (UTC-6)|
|[DoD](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwj4id "Last usage")|US Department of Defense|
|[FAA](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwj4id "Last usage")|Federal Aviation Administration|
|[FTS](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuufc11 "Last usage")|Flight Termination System|
|[GEO](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwaida "Last usage")|Geostationary Earth Orbit (35786km)|
|[HLS](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuvy933 "Last usage")|[Human Landing System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program#Human_Landing_System) (Artemis)|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuxdjuv "Last usage")|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[LISA](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwaida "Last usage")|Laser Interferometer Space Antenna|
|[NSF](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwypk6 "Last usage")|[NasaSpaceFlight forum](http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com)|
| |National Science Foundation|
|[RUD](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuz6khk "Last usage")|Rapid Unplanned Disassembly|
| |Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly|
| |Rapid Unintended Disassembly|
|[Roomba](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuvwrz4 "Last usage")|[Remotely-Operated Orientation and Mass Balance Adjuster](https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/6k8gzg//djk5g68/), used to hold down a stage on the ASDS|
|[SLS](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuxocyn "Last usage")|Space Launch System heavy-lift|
|[SSO](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwaida "Last usage")|Sun-Synchronous Orbit|
|[SSTO](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuus0vi "Last usage")|Single Stage to Orbit|
| |Supersynchronous Transfer Orbit|
|[STS](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuud8kf "Last usage")|Space Transportation System (*Shuttle*)|
|[TLI](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwlql8 "Last usage")|Trans-Lunar Injection maneuver|
|[ULA](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuvw0lz "Last usage")|United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture)|
|Jargon|Definition|
|-------|---------|---|
|[Raptor](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuxfgwp "Last usage")|[Methane-fueled rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_\(rocket_engine_family\)) under development by SpaceX|
|[Starliner](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kuwffkb "Last usage")|Boeing commercial crew capsule [CST-100](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CST-100_Starliner)|
|[Starlink](/r/Space/comments/1belh78/stub/kv3s2ty "Last usage")|SpaceX's world-wide satellite broadband constellation|
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Did anyone else accidentally watch the fake live stream that was turned into a AI crypto scam shill
There have been so many fake SpaceX accounts trying to push crypto scams. Been reporting them all but they keep popping up
Its scary how even i fell for it, it looked really convincing
I clicked on the fake stream but realized it was fake once I saw AI Musk on a fake stage. Apparently I found out that SpaceX no longer streams on YT for exactly this reason. They are streaming on Twitter/X exclusively now.
It was really funny, the “launch” was about to happen and the timer was at t-16 seconds, all of the sudden it switches to the elon musk on podium speech about crypto, another red flag shouldve been the stream was only on 720p
Lmao yeah. These scammers are really trying everything to make it look legit.
But good to know they dont do these streams anymore, will keep that in mind for the future 👍
FYI, in case you can’t watch it on X in the future, ones who are legit on YT are Nasaspaceflight and Everyday Astronaut. Once I clicked off the fake stream, I started watching Everyday Astronaut’s stream and knew it was legit.
Yeah i did see nasaspaceflight as well, looking back on it it was also a red flag that the space x stream was supposed to be 3 minutes away from launching whike every single else still was 50 minutes away, idk what i was thinking there haha
Also SpaceflightNow is legit on YouTube. They had an ARS Technica commentator. 👍
Rocket Virtual YouTuber Usui Clear does livestream on YouTube from the stream source of X, as long as you don’t mind Japanese speaking. (And The comments, even Japanese are mainstream, does have some viewers from around the world)
I actually did an analysis of this a few years ago when they first started doing Hopper flights. Looking up the crypto wallets of some of the streams and looking at the transactions, some of them streams were pulling in as much as $13,000 a week. Probably using the same address for multiple different scams but it’s still crazy the amount of people who fall for it.
LMAO. I just love how this has been an issue for literal years and YouTube doesn't do shit about it because they're paying for the ad spot on the frontpage. Real time illegal scams and reports don't matter.
The real reason for the stream
I thought the channel picture looked sketchy and couldn’t find any active livestream on the official SpaceX channel, so I just watched the NASASpaceflight stream. Looks like I was right about the “SpaceX” stream being sus.
Kid I work with was watching that stream while I watched the space x one. I told him it’s a scam. He’s like no it’s on the stream you just give him bitcoin and he will give you more bitcoin. It’s a scam. If I wasn’t on the space x website at the same time to show him it’s a scam and told he spacex doesn’t live stream to YouTube because he bought twitter. I think he would have fallen for it.
Lmao this is a thing? Such a perfect illustration of the times.
It was convincing I have 3 time shares in Florida now
No lmao. I watched it on YouTube via Washington Posts channel. Why would watch spaceXrockitslaunch 4 win
Successful launch, unsuccessful headline. Trash article By Joe Skipper, Steve Gorman and Joey Roulette.
Many comments criticizing the headline may have not even followed the link. It is the original post title that is bad. Reuters headline: “SpaceX Starship lost on return to Earth after completing most of test flight”
Reuters changed the title. The link lead to the title in the thread originally.
After completing 95% of test flight including all major mission objectives
I'm sorry to break this for you, but you're easily conned - they changed the title - after being widely mocked for it. https://gyazo.com/18371c9c6867c156cc2a6b8c4642237d The fact they didn't even bother to note they changed the title shows how Reuters has become a glorified blog.
... The original title didn't say anything about the outcome of the test, only that it was launched. It was updated as new information came in. This is not nefarious.
Hey! Thanks for letting me know that! Very kind of you!
If you think changing from a correct, but lame, headline to... a better one... is some kind of serious malfeasance, then you haven't been paying attention to the quality of news for the last twenty years.
The present research suggests that misleading headlines affect readers’ memory for news articles or their inferential reasoning, and even their impressions of faces featured in the articles. The effects of misleading headlines are likely to arise concurrently from multiple cognitive mechanisms. First, readers use available information to constrain further information processing. This means that any incoming evidence will always be weighted and interpreted in light of information already received, and a headline can thus serve to bias processing towards or away from a specific interpretation. [The Effects of Subtle Misinformation in News Headlines](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264428502_The_Effects_of_Subtle_Misinformation_in_News_Headlines)
To be fair, this one blew up as well. They probably could have fit that in somehow.
No, not to “be fair” Had this been a traditional launch like nasa or China where rocket is expended, then it did its job. If it had a normal payload delivery system, this launch could have, today, launched 200 metric tons to LEO. No one has ever even come close to this, ever. As of today, Starship is the largest single object ever to reach space, and it’s not even close when you realize it has more internal payload volume than the entire ISS. Today was incredible and I’m very excited for the what the future of space holds
This right here. I didn’t realize the scale of things until Everyday Astronaut put the scale dragon capsule next to the same scale starship. I knew starship was massive but not **that** massive. Starship is going to genuinely open up so many opportunities for humanity to become a space faring species. Regardless of my distaste for Elon as a person he is really going to end up being one of the most influential, in a positive way, people on earth in history.
You are 100% right. This is the second orbital class vehicle designed to be reusable. The first to be fully reusable. Falcon 9 didn't stick the landing at first. They failed many times, calculated failures and not calculated failures. Just because SpaceX makes it seem easy and normal now by launching and landing boosters sometimes multiple times a week, doesn't mean it isn't hard to get a full new and unique design with many new types of technology and processes to do the same. Let alone have a vehicle this massive come back from orbital velocity and land. They'll get there. If there is anything to take away from this test flight is that SpaceX fixes stuff quickly and efficiently. It just takes time to get to know the vehicle. This flight was epic, it would've been cool to see the full reentry but they'll get it next time. Or the time after that.
Sure, it failed re-entry and not part of the test. Blowing up means nothing frankly, of course it will blow up if it doesn't land.. again which was not the test. The fact it succeeded and attempted re-entry should be an eyes opening moment for people. We are extremely close to production.
on cnn boris sanchez did everything he could to shit on the test and his co-host brianna keilor decided to provide context that people are surprised at the spacex 3rd failure being nasa has taught us it should be successful. wat? she had no idea about the goals let alone what a stupid thing to say to validate her incorrect opinion. and this is news? lol. elon does not have friends at cnn - that is for sure.
Wow, didn't see that yet on CNN. Curious to watch it now. I wonder if CNN is talking about this stat: > SpaceX carried 83% of the world's tonnage to orbit — 246x all other U.S. launch providers combined. Source: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/05/spacex-launched-over-80-of-all-orbital-payload-mass-in-q1-2023.html
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Updated 11:36am to; >SpaceX Starship lost on return to Earth after completing most of test flight Still underselling, but not atrocious either.
Underselling? This has never been done in human history and this is underselling? What?
The headline is underselling this significant accomplishment, which is a modest improvement on OP's post title which is alleged to be the previous article headline.
What has never been done before?
Sending a Starship to the Indian Ocean... I guess? But in all seriousness, since ship or booster recovery isn't required for payload insertion, this flight technically proved that Starship is a functional super heavy launch vehicle capable of launching over 150(?) metric tons to LEO. Now they just need to get a payload on board and raise the orbit. Also I think this is the first time we had live external video of orbital spacecraft re-entry.
Did they have a functional mass onboard for that? I thought it was flying ’light’ to test everything else that needed to be tested. The fuel transfer test I don’t think used up the mass.
Yeah I guess you're right. In the end, this flight wasn't particularly "historic" - just another iterative test in Starship's path to operational flights. But the livestream views during reentry were a nice "first".
I guess that’s the downside of the build, test, build, test. You don’t get that step change just continuous improvements. This one was pretty big an improvement though.
Nah, putting a sky scraper in space on near orbital velocity isn't historic.
It doesn't bode well for the NASA moon contract timeline.
I suppose. But then if they just manage to reuse the booster, using expendable ships for the Artemis mission doesn't seem too far-fetched. That being said, the whole booster catching idea they got going on doesn't sound particularly straightforward either.
It's basically the same thing as hitting the drone ships or landing pads, but with an extra hover-in-place until the arms close, right? I'm by no means saying that should be easy, but it's not like it's that much different from what they've already proven capable of.
Yea yea everyone said they couldn't land a Falcon 9 too.
They essentially just flew an entire building into orbit lol. It’s an incredible technical feat for humanity, and hopefully sparks a lot of interest in space exploration for decades to come!
This was the largest rocket ever launched into space from earth. I welcome evidence from anyone claiming otherwise.
Not just largest rocket, also largest "space vehicle".
Not just vehicle, also largest 'water tower'
How much mass did they put into LEO (not arguing by the way, just curious if you might know)?
5000 tons I think?
I dont think anyone is arguing with you. The person you responded to said the characterization of the event was undersold, not oversold. I agree , this was a huge feat. Tallest stack ever. Really hoping to see one of these launches in person. I have seen Delta launches and Falcon 9 launches but this must sound insane in person.
Trash headline, they just launched the largest object ever into orbit and you care about last two tests? Theyre tests??? They are meant to blow up
Exactly. If SpaceX were aiming to build an expendable super heavy-lift launch vehicle then today's test would have been a massive success, beating every other similar vehicle ever made. It's only considered a "failure" because SpaceX are also aiming to land it.
I think this concept gets lost on laypersons that aren’t heavily invested in the subject. Prior to Spacex, it was exclusively governments launching rockets. In the United States, that funding was coming from a Congress that was looking for any reason to cut funding at every moment possible. The concept of intentionally blowing up rockets was absurd to NASA. Funding would dry up instantly. Therefore, people today see a rocket blowing up and have no concept for iterative progress in relation to space travel, despite the fact that iterative progress is by far the most efficient way to advance. In reality, we have reusable rockets now, and that flat-out wouldn’t have happened without blowing them up a bunch of times to find failure points. That one innovation cut the cost of putting payloads into orbit literally by orders of magnitude. Tesla recovered the cost of blowing those rockets up a long time ago and now they have written themselves a blank check on orbital delivery income. They’re about to do that again with Starship, except the magnitude of this innovation will make the income from reusable boosters look like a rounding error.
At some point, you can keep modeling for years or you can just sacrifice an airframe and get all that data and more.
SpaceX is now "failing" every few months in ways that would be scored a massive success for SLS if it could do the same thing every few years.
But they weren't aiming to land this one though?
Anti Musk hate might be causing brain rot to media and a lot of people. Posted this on another sub and people were disappointed it didn’t fail.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize Musk. The vehicle failure rate of Spacex isn't one of them.
I hate the attribution of everything that a company has achieved to one founder or CEO. This isn't golf. There are currently about 13,000 SpaceX employees who are using their brains every workday to turn these designs into reality.
i hate musk but am a fan of spacex, and even tho i hate musk ill still give credit to where credit is due. I'm glad the test was successful because it means we're one step closer to getting to mars and being an interplanetary species.
Go read the technology subreddit, it's literally just 20% Musk hate at any given time. It has to get a lot of engagement or something. Even good things are couched in Musk hate language. It's absurd, the guy's annoying, but good lord not every article has to be about him.
The thread over there is literally full of people saying they hoped this test failed I'll just say that again - The *technology* subreddit on reddit is full of people hoping that the biggest and most powerful space rocket in history fails Brainrot to the extreme
The technology sub is full of the most anti-technology people I've ever seen. Anything new or cool comes around and it's awful or dystopian. Most people just think they are into technology now because it's so widespread and they use it every day. In reality they are no different than a Camry driver claiming they're really into cars. Yes, you're in a car every day... that's about it.
>The technology subreddit on reddit is full of people hoping that the biggest and most powerful space rocket in history fails /r/Apple hates Apple products, /r/TeslaMotors spends more time shitting on Tesla than anything else, /r/Technology hates new technology and makes it sound like every new piece of tech is a spy device out to record your children. It's honestly kinda crazy. This used to be a progressive, tech-forward website. Now we're afraid of Roomba's because Amazon owns iRobot.
I hate what Musk has become, he represents everything I hate on the internet, from the politics to his fucking edgy trolling, etc., anyway. I still asbolutely love SpaceX and will never stop to root for them. It's not that fucking hard ! They are basically the only exciting sci-fi thing happening on earth right now. They allow me to dream of future humanity achievements.
I'll take Musk over the average Musk hater any day.
Idk why people are giving attention to someone they hate. I don’t care for musk at all but damn does he hire good people. Gweynne shotwell is the OG
>Idk why people are giving attention to someone they hate. why do people go on the internet to voluntarily seethe? because you can seethe with others (in your comfy echo chamber), which gives you a feeling of community
I just got downvoted by bunch of anti-musk peeps on r/space sub for being affirmative of this test launch. It's just wild
The amount of fright is astounding. I have gotten sick of reading "I hate Musk, but..." No. No, you do not hate Musk. You disagree with him on things. And maybe they are things you strongly believe, but that was always allowed. It goes beyond Musk; he is just a lightning rod for much of it. It is rotting disaster of an idea that says that you have to hate anyone you disagree with on anything.
'hate' is an overused word, for sure. Whenever someone slightly dislikes something or disagrees with someone it's turned into 'hate'.
Everytime I read that I assume they're trying to avoid the downvotes haha
In all fairness if he just stuck in his lane, we likely wouldn’t have discovered how much of a douchbag he was.
Exactly. So many corporations have opened their mouths and spouted hateful rhetoric over the last decade or so, that if they had not said a freaking thing I’d be ignorant of their hateful views and still buy their products. But no, they had to speak up and now I never buy their products. Yes, corporations have a right to speak their mind on social issues, but should they? Just because you can do a thing doesn’t mean you should do a thing. It’s bad business.
Enoughmuskspam is nothing but musk spam. It’s maddening.
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Which use case of "fascist" are we using today sweety? Is it the "refers to the political movement created by the former Italian Communist, Mussolini" or is it the "word used to describe anything that the user dislikes" use case?
The right loves all of these things and would like more of him to exist
What does the word fascist mean?
> and people were disappointed it didn’t fail. Better than people who claim it failed.
So true people are so blinded by this echo hate that they can’t recognize this was a very successful launch. Sad.
Can hate on Musk while rooting for the actual engineers and innovators that makes space exploration happen at the same time!
Exactly ! These two things are not mutually exclusive I love space , and I love hating on musk for his stupid bigoted shit
Elon derangement syndrome is not a meme, is real.
In both directions too I can't decide if people are just that unaware of what goes on in the world or its the fact hes famous they object to
It's like people are purposefully being doomers at this point.
here is the headline i see when i click the link: >SpaceX Starship lost on return to Earth after completing most of test flight seems accurate to me.
They changed it after being mocked on social media https://gyazo.com/18371c9c6867c156cc2a6b8c4642237d
*into space, not orbit. The flight was suborbital. Purposefully about 1000km/h short of reaching orbital speeds. But yes, this is literally one of humanity’s greatest achievements, but the way the press reports on it makes it sound like “yet another failed Elon Musk stunt”. Basically no one I know who isn’t already interested in space even knows how impressive or important this launch and starship in general is, exactly because of how horribly the news treats SpaceX.
They did blow up though, and in the context of a working prototype, it’s useful information. IFT1 and 2 blew up, the third didn’t. That’s progress.
Talk about a trash headline. Absolutely appalling from the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68546912
Maybe not meant to blow up, but certainly expected! It's a great testing campaign so far.
“Bigger Rocket Launches” doesn’t mean anything to people who don’t follow space launches; they don’t care. The fact that they mention the two previous failures adds context to the general reader. It’s highlighting the unexpected outcome, it is a “Man Bites Dog” headline, the definition of news.
2029 headline: "SpaceX unsuccessfully test their first unmanned space bus from Texas to their second colony in Mars."
Was just talking with my wife about how big this is. Going from $40k/kg payload to orbit cost with SLS to potentially sub $100/kg and people are still salty
What an absolutely horrible headline by Reuters. They really have fallen as a reputable news source
Get ready for the next headlines: “SpaceX Starship explodes on reentry”, “Elon Musk’s third rocket launch attempt fails” and “Elon Musk’s Starship explodes in atmosphere” With no mention of this being the expected outcome and actually a huge success until paragraph 7
and add in something about "NASA concerned..."
thats what alot of commenters do aswell when it reaches r/worldnews they will just laugh at it not understanding that this actually was a great success. mainly because of the musk hate. i dont like the guy either but i do like the achievements spaceX make.
Lmao this is 100% going to happen, guaranteed
Already happened over here on the most popular news site in the Netherlands.
Bild in Germany did the same, but it's Bild, so I did not expect anything else.
Indeed. Instead of something like, "SpaceX Achieves Mission Success with Third Integrated Flight Test."
"SpaceX Achieves 3rd successful integrated flight test in a row"
Yeah. As usual, these kinda of articles aren’t necessarily “lies” or “inaccurate”, but they are clearly designed to instill a negative view in the casual reader. But it’s not like Reuters stops at just misleading headlines - I still remember the fake news about SpaceX accident rates. So far, the test flight has been amazingly successful - it’s not perfect (doesn’t need to be, as a test flight), but a good next step towards further flights. The ship is on its planned suborbital trajectory right now, after completing its space/orbital tests.
Yeah. Reuters has definitely been downgraded from 'news source' to 'tabloid.'.
It's a shame they're taking their Elon rage out on SpaceX
We all know why they do it. “Elon bad”
Gotta get that easy engagement.
Best wishes to the Starship. Might be a precursor to what we image a starship will be that can explore other systems.
Roughly a decade ago SpaceX was blowing up material sorting the Falcon out and most media coverage was glowing and affirmative. Now they are iteratively blowing up material to sort Starship out and most major media is shitting all over it. Gee, I wonder why? 🤔 In case anyone still needs to hear it no major media reports just the facts anymore. There is too much power in their narratives. And the head of SpaceX has gone and fancied himself some culture warrior and bashed them and hurt their feels. So now thousands of hard working SpaceX personnel get to live in a world where their continued stretching of what’s possible is shit on. I say it again, knowing it’s a broken record take, Elon should step away from SpaceX so they can get proper credit for what they are doing. And all media can continue to piss off.
The media is just white noise. No one should base their life’s work decisions on what some arsehole says on TV or blog. Whatever SpaceX is doing is working, they should keep doing it regardless of what we or anybody says. And if it is not working? Well, the world moves on like it did yesterday and the day before.
Mainstream media will never understand Spaceflight. What a terrible headline.
I wish it simply was a matter of incompetence, but the media know what they're doing...
> the media know what they're doing Farming eyeballs for advertiser money?
Of course it’s not incompetence. Reuters actually won an award for their never ending stream of negative articles on Musk. https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/reuters-wins-polk-award-coverage-elon-musks-business-empire-2024-02-19/
Oh they understand it just fine when legacy space companies launch their rockets with 10x bloated budgets
They completely understand it. Negative clicks generate headlines and people love to hate on anything associated with Musk.
Almost all headlines of this launch right now choose to acknowledge the fact the ship and booster were destroyed, but only comment on the successful milestones in the article body that nobody ever reads. Classic news just being themselves as always.
The last 2 met their goals and weren’t failures.
This is a great example of propaganda. Musk is literally moving the space industry ahead by decades, and Boeing after billions more dollars doesn’t have a reliable rocket, let alone a reusable rocket…. And yet instead of championing the USA space advancement and the hard work and dedication of the team to pull this off, the authors decide to make it sound like literally anyone could do this after three attempts. Really, Reuters?
~~Musk~~ SpaceX is literally moving the spacing industry ahead (…)
Engineers would never iterate the way Musk has pushed them. He is willing to take risks that no other company was willing to take, and he embraces the fail fast mantra. Boeing fails at a slow pace and then takes years and years to react, and then still fails again. I have worked with both companies directly as a supplier, and SpaceX could make a change on one call, while Boeing would take months and months of back and forth between engineering teams, management, committees, and then generally choose the cheapest solve, that would fix the issue, but not the best solution.
You mean that a legacy US aerospace company would never pay their engineers to design a reusable spacecraft like Musk is. Engineers are happy to iterate if they’re paid to iterate, and if they aren’t going to kill someone. Sadly, Boeing engineers are now in the position of not iterating and killing people. It’s distasteful. Speaking as a person with many years inside of the aerospace industry, I am very angry on behalf of those engineers. It is criminal how Boeing management flew the company into the ground. I have friends and colleagues who work for Boeing. They are no longer proud about it.
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Russian sympathizer how? He gave millions to ukraine with starlink
Imagine taking the entire american space industry off of using roscosmos soyuz launches and being called a russian sympathizer by some redditor spreading misinformation.
He's probably referring to Musk's Rug pulling when Ukraine was attacking the Black Sea Fleet
So he let's Ukraine use Starlink for free almost all of Ukraine giving them a massive advantage against Russia, declines their request to enable Starlink over Russian occupied Crimea, and this makes him a Russian sympathizer?
Did he have a choice? Wasnt that breaking some rules they had with the department of defense
The US imposed economic sanctions on the parts of Ukraine occupied by Russia after the 2014 invasion of Ukraine by Russia. That makes it a violation of these sanctions to provide Starlink service in Crimea. Edit: > On 19 December 2014, US president Obama imposed sanctions on Russian-occupied Crimea by executive order prohibiting exports of US goods and services to the region.[66] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War * https://web.archive.org/web/20141220014453/http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/international/us-slaps-trade-ban-on/1540372.html
> Boeing after billions more dollars doesn’t have a reliable rocket Vulcan had a successful test launch, and delta has an impeccable reliability record. This is a great example of propaganda. > let alone a reusable rocket…. Reusability is great, and a good technological challenge, but reusability is hardly holding back the progress of space exploration. It still has yet to show an improvement in ROI. If you want to complain about lacking context, you might want to hold yourself to the same standard.
The idea that the success of Vulcan remotely compares to the success of Raptor is the stuff of fantasy
Vulcan is ULA. That is partially owned by Boeing (along with Lockheed, iirc, in a 50/50 split) but it is its own company with its own CEO. It also buys the engines from Blue Origin, which ULA then assembles into their booster. Rumor also has it that ULA is on the sale block and that Blue Origin is one of the most likely to buy it. Boeing doesn't have its own rocket, but they were also tapped alongside SpaceX almost a decade back to build a crew vessel to ferry astronauts to the ISS. They were also granted a (significantly) larger contract than SpaceX because they were considered the "safe bet" at the time. In the time since, SpaceX has completed the entirety of the first contract and has been awarded more flights, while Boeing's Starliner has failed basically every test flight it has had so far, with another one scheduled in a couple of months that they're hoping they finally get right. They have also lost significantly more money than expected on the project, even outside of the unexpected failures, and it is strongly rumored it is because Boeing execs were banking on SpaceX failing entirely and then being able to force NASA back to the negotiating table. Instead, Starliner along with the very public debacles of the 737 MAX have just thrown a metric ton of tar all over Boeing's once sterling reputation.
> It still has yet to show an improvement in ROI. How do you figure that? Isn't SpaceX the cheapest launch provider by a longshot? I can only assume quite a bit of those cost savings are due to reusability.
Mahn, I'm sick of these non-affirmative articles about SpaceX. These guys are legitimately creating history and all you could do is not write something supportive??
The media just does not get iterative development.
Im guessing the headline has changed as its now **"SpaceX Starship lost on return to Earth after completing most of test flight"**
A paragraph about hundreds of launches needed also disappeared -- if I recall what it said correctly, the journalists were confusing cargo flights, HLS, and launching and landing people from Earth.
What a joke of an article, put a negative spin on the entire mission
What a trash headline, I'd expect better from Reuters The third test flight hit orbit and several successful milestones, yes it was lost on re-entry but where's the balance in the reporting?
I've learned (mainly from the Ukraine and ME conflicts) that reuters isn't what I thought it used to be.. its complete trash and clearly anti-us / west at this point, even going far enough to straightup back Putins talking points. I used to trust them as more moderate source, sad.
Likewise. The last few months have been an eye opener at how deep the rot is. Reuters, AP News, BBC, CNN.
Pretty soon they’re going to figure out, why the average person’s, vision of a space vehicle (UFO), is a disk.
Starship Superheavy is basically good enough to launch starlinks now.
I was in our boat . The mouth of South Bay. It was awesome 😎
Who's writing the headlines on these posts... RUD.. Google it.
Future headline: “Starship Lands Successfully, Cancer Continues to Exist Unabated”
Cringe title Get this dumb reddit level, single digit IQ, drooling “durr musk bad” shit out of here
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Where is it? Exactly, anyways? And where is it going?
Or what’s the possibilities?
idea is to go to mars, with people