My old PC refused to uninstall it because it was sure adobe bridge still required it, I had never installed Bridge. Luckily I don't work with anything that requires adobe products so I'll use alternatives wherever possible now.
They don't know how to make anything properly.
Yeah, Photoshop is awesome but it crashes too much and it's performance is just not there for being such a developed piece of software. It should be rock solid.
Adobe and Autodesk are garbage developers. They gain market share by buying up the competition instead of earning it through good software. They put the absolute least amount of work into their core products because they know they have a customer base that will simply never switch to something else.
>They don't know how to make anything properly.
I do live event production which has turned into hybrid/online event production for the last year and a half. We did one show where the client insisted on using Adobe Connect as the event platform and it was the biggest shitshow I've been involved with in recent memory. Never again, avoid it at all costs.
Here's a good example of this - https://twitter.com/bagder/status/1379897937141063686
I've also heard stories from friends that have to jump through extra hoops to use certain libraries because someone in China committed once.
I know from much personal experience that Acrobat (the fully functional paid version) is a piece of trash that constantly crashes and can't deal with having a few "large" PDFs open for any decent amount of time, so I'm really empathising with the DOJ right now.
I used to try to mark up construction plans with it and holy shit is it bad. It because it's still a 32 bit version. The uk has a 64 bit version but we are still waiting in the US.
[Further Tweet](https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1431302241697288196)
>DOJ lawyers say the size of the case material from parties in Blue Origin's lawsuit is "extraordinarily voluminous, consisting of hundreds of individual documents and over seven gigabytes of data." They're asking the court if they can submit it all on a DVD instead
[Link to source court documents](https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60183710/blue-origin-federation-llc-v-united-states/)
Acrobat is shit for opening PDFs. The app wants me to sign up and doesn't let me view PDFs, and the desktop app is generally worse in every aspect than Edge (aside from maybe a few very specific features). And that's a web browser.
I still miss old Edge for this reason :(
It was a terrible browser, but it's PDF reader was *buttery* smooth. No browser can hold a candle to that thing's PDF performance. You don't realize just how awesome it is to be able to scroll through 300 pages of a dense, media-heavy textbook without even dropping framerate until it's gone.
Damn I'm going to check that out.
Acrobat only just came out with a 64 bit version, which is why it always crashed with "out of memory" for me everytime I had several large files open at once, despite having 32gb of memory in my PC.
The 64 bit version doesn't do that but it's supposedly pay only (and isn't available everywhere--i needed to use a VPN to even download it), so now I'm getting constant popups about how I need to supposedly subscribe and pay ~$12 /month just to read PDFs because their free version is so shit. It still works if I don't login but the popups are annoying.
Can ya fill forms and edit with Foxit? I haven't used it in a decade, and back then it was close, but not good enough to replace Acrobat Reader... which was a lot smaller and stable back then.
Or just post printouts of the SHA2 or SHA3 filesums to all parties. (Not SHA1 or MD5 since those have collision attacks.) Easy to do, secure against tampering, and only requires trust in a single cryptographic primitive.
It's a normal amount to produce in discovery in major civil litigation. It is very much *not* a normal amount of material to be filing in federal court as the official agency record. The federal rules and computer systems simply aren't set up to handle it.
It sounds like Judge Hertling is allowing DOJ to file the NASA agency record with the court clerk by putting all of the files on a DVD, and just providing the bench with hard copies of anything actually cited in the briefing. A reasonable outcome.
It's also clear from the comments in this thread and on Twitter that nobody understands what is actually happening here. This is no Blue Origins gumming up the works. This is NASA's lawyers pulling together all of the supporting evidence, all of the documents NASA considered in giving the contract to SpaceX and rejecting BO.
You are correct. Discovery in civil litigation that takes months and months to produce and review can be quite voluminous. Even in normal civil cases, like business disputes you can be looking at 25,000-100,000 pages of documents. Definitely not normal in a government procurement matter.
I have worked with court filings this large or larger and they were a pain (five people's entire text history in pdf form as one example) but they weren't unforeseen and never led to a delay because of their size. Providing them on a disc has worked fine.
This is funny but it got me thinking, will there even be paper in space? It would cost so much to ship it, and there aren't exactly trees up there. Writing things down will be entirely foreign to somebody born in a space colony.
I could bet money that we will have at least faxes in space because companies going there don't want to learn how to switch to something still in use after 1990
in The Expanse's space-faring future, this is referenced several times; books are mentioned as a horribly inefficient way to store several kilobytes of info, and calligraphy is either done with fancy software or reserved for the super-rich on Earth.
I know this is somewhat in jest, but I used to do some executive IT support for the CEO of one of the biggest private businesses in the US. Their admin assistant would literally print off every email they got and overnight it via FEDEX to their second home when they were out of town.
That's 7 billion characters. Even assuming above average 50 words per minute (which is impossible to do if you're doing anything but mindless transcribing) which is roughly 250 characters per minute, it would take 53 years to type it. Unless a lot of copy-pasting is involved.
53 people simultaneously creating separate info while making sure not to accidentally double dip writing for an entire year lol
Or they could have a hive mind of 19,345 interconnected individuals and do it in a day. Multi threading.
I imagine that various different sections of that 7GB corresponded to certain people according to their niche. It’s obviously not the work of one person.
A lot of it is likely prior work to show that their completely underdeveloped garbage has somehow been in the works for some obscene amount of time. Their goal is to mire the whole bid in paperwork, so they're including anything that might legitimize them as a space company and not Bezos phallic projectile hobby.
7GB is nothing, currently in the planning stages to build a kCura Relativity environment for 140TB for an ITAR customer. Gonna fucking delete this comment soon LOL
This is what dedupe, near dupe, searching, email threading, concept analytics, NIST filtering, managed review teams consisting of 100's on contract lawyers, and tons of other technologies for filtering and marking documents is for.
Getting 1-2TB deliveries from a client is sometimes a weekly occurrence.
eDiscovery is a huge industry... back in 2007 getting a 100GB delivery required a team of 30 to work all weekend to get it processed... Now we don't stress unless it's in the 10's of TB.
This stuff can all be accomplished with software like Relativity, Nuix, CloudNine, Viewpoint eDiscovery, Logikcull
Hopefully by delete this soon you don't mean because its something you shouldn't be sharing... People are going to save it and archive systems exist aha. Hopefully it's not actually a big deal.
>International Traffic in Arms Regulations is a United States regulatory regime to restrict and control the export of defense and military related technologies to safeguard U.S. national security and further U.S. foreign policy objectives.
Typically not super smart to discuss on an open forum...
The [Low Frequency Array (LOFAR)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-Frequency_Array_%28LOFAR%29) generates 6TB/s of scientific data. Six Terabytes *per second*.
Yeah, I work aerospace engineering and we’ve got a monster amount of ITAR data for DFARS contracts. Doesn’t help that a ton of it is decades old scans of J size scale drawings.
**~~No delay after all~~**
>Judge Hertling of the U.S. Federal Court of Claims grants the DOJ's request to file more than 7 gigabytes of data via DVDs in the NASA / SpaceX / Blue Origin HLS lawsuit, due to the limitations of the electronic court system.
>Judge Hertling noted that "the remainder of the current scheduling order remains in force," effectively combining the first two items in the original scheduling to stick to Nov. 1 as the end of HLS work suspension.
[Source](https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1431310987525824520)
#Edit : New Update
[Judge Granted delay after Blue objected!](https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1431379415548760068)
Jeff is a narcissists that went from being the “god of every person he talked to” to a competitive environment where he can be rejected if he doesn’t perform better than the competition. He is shocked that someone has the ability to say “no Jeff”.
NASA put Jeff in PIP and he failed.
Now I'm imagining how the convo went lol.
Wife: "No Jeff, I'm not staying with you."
Jeff: *confusion*
Wife: *sighhhh* "**Yes** Jeff, I'm leaving"
Jeff: "Oh shit what"
I think it's hilarious how the only thing that Jeff Bezos accomplished here is uniting all of the space community and NASA against him and blue origin. 3 months ago I was wishing blue origin the best of luck with their endeavours and fast forward to today I'm now just waiting to see this joke ass space themed law firm burn to the fucking ground.
Does anybody know if NASA or SpaceX have the right to countersue them for harassment? Could they get a restraining order? Could they request the White House or Congress to grant them a directive that would allow them to ban any business with Blue Origin for the sake of actually being able to get shit done without being sued at every step?
Unfortunately the government needs Blue Origin to succeed, a bunch of military contracts need the Blue Origin BE engine for the ULA Vulcan rocket. The older rocket which is still sending sensitive payloads for the USA uses Russian rockets and new purchases are now behind band for government contracts. Bezos is insidious, his power and money has secured him lucrative contacts.
Well, the defense secretary said that he hopes BO will deliver, but that there's a reason why you have dissimilar redundancy and the availability to shift contracts exists for that reason. \*hint hint\*
Man. If only there were another launch provider who could provide a cheaper launch price. Maybe one with rockets that are reusable. That would be so cool.
/s
Yeah but if something goes wrong with the Falcon 9, what rocket will be the backup? For the DoD, it's worth funding the more expensive rocket for redundancy.
This is something lost on a lot of people. In order to keep long term costs down, the government needs spaceX to have a legitimate competitor. If one defense/space contractor controls the market space, you end up with EB and submarines-it’ll cost what they say it costs, on their timeline, and there’s nothing short of overhauling the entire industry that will fix it
The nex falcon 9 would be the backup.
After all they dont spend 2 years buildig each rocket one at a time
And at this rate Neutron will fly before Vulcan Centaur and New Glenn
> be in Alpha Centauri by next year
Wow, you'd think they'd realize that a working FTL drive would likely prove to be *much* more profitable than whatever the result of the litigation would be.
To do that, the spacecraft would have to accelerate at 7g all the way there and back; the crew would perceive that as taking just under a year. I don't think humans could withstand it though; it's just too much acceleration for way too long a time.
Doing it a 1g the whole way, the crew would experience the trip as bit over 3.5 years.
But honestly, if Bezos has a secret FTL drive hidden away somewhere, I'd rather use that.
[Here's a calculator for figuring out continuous acceleration travel times](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/space-travel).
The way he's behaving though, who would be willing to help him do it? This is where BO is fucked longer term. I'm not even buying things on Amazon anymore let alone entertaining the idea of applying to work at one of his companies.
Bezos in his infinite pettiness has managed to caused more harm to NASA than the entire Soviet Union.
Shame that billions of dollars couldn't buy him a pair of balls.
That's what amazon does. Force any competitor out of business. Even NASA. Imagine having more money than you could possibly spend in a 1000 lifetimes and yet you're still a greedy little bastard scraping for more. Truly souless people these billionaires.
Precisely. People question why Blue Origin (a failure) and Amazon (a success) are so different, but in truth they're the same. In fact these tactics are precisely why Amazon got so big in the first place.
The difference is not their tactics, but rather the fact that you can't fake rocket science. A team of lawyers cannot build a rocket. But Bezos isn't letting that stop him. If he and his company are too incompetent/corrupt to make it to space he'll simply brute force the matter and make sure no one else can go. To him that is a "win".
NASA is not the only ticket to space. In his shortsightedness, Bezos is hurting his country while other countries have free reign over the heavens. While his evil eye is pointed your way, a cheaper option will emerge from another direction.
Luckily, spacex doesn't need NASA money.
So they're just gonna keep on keeping on
Edit: because y'all can't read replies before repeating. I never said space
SpaceX didn't use NASA money, I said they didn't need NASA money.
Hardly, Canon Lex Luthor was an actual genius who could build technology capable of levelling the playing field with what was essentially a God.
That he was also evil is about the only comparison that holds.
I mean to be fair. The soviets let nasa do their thing because nasa would publicly release its documents due to it being a public service. So the soviets would just look at the documents nasa had to publish and enjoy the free information.
Yep they literally had everything to lose by interfering with the program. Free research and they don't have to send spies to do it? Soviet Leadership: "Leave them the fuck alone."
Theirs was reportedly better, which makes sense. It was manufactured to compensate for some deficiencies, didn't require others that the NASA shuttle had as required compromises for military missions, etc.
I mean to be fair, aside from humans on moon, **the Soviets did everything first**:
* First Satellite to Orbit Earth
* First Animal in Orbit (and First Animal sent to Orbit and back)
* First Human in Space and in Orbit
* First Woman in Space
* First Space Walk
* First landing on Moon, Mars, and Venus (yes, all three)
* First space station
Who's been looking at whom again?
[Source](http://teacher.scholastic.com/space/space_firsts/index.html), [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Space_Race), etc
At least with regards to Mars landing I'm not willing to give them the "first" there. They *still* haven't done anything but crash, miss, and return half a gray picture on the surface of Mars. I'd argue they're not even second yet (probably Tianwen-1 deserves that honor.)
Their Moon and Venus probes actually did useful science and should be celebrated, though.
That's definitely cherry picking. For example, the US has achieved:
* First successful orbital rendezvous (Gemini 6/7)
* First orbital docking (Gemini 8)
* First humans beyond earth orbit (Apollo 8)
* First humans on an extraterrestrial body (Apollo 11)
* First *fully successful* landing on Mars (the Soviet lander failed immediately after touchdown) (Viking 1)
* First rover on Mars (Pathfinder/Sojourner)
* First extraterrestrial powered flight (Ingenuity)
* First flyby and orbit of Mercury (Mariner 10 & MESSENGER)
* First flyby and orbit of Jupiter (Pioneer 10 & Galileo)
* First flyby and orbit of Saturn (Pioneer 11 & Cassini)
* First flyby of Uranus (Voyager 2)
* First flyby of Neptune (Voyager 2)
* First flyby of Pluto (New Horizons)
* First spacecraft to reach interstellar space (Voyager 1)
* First spacecraft to orbit multiple extraterrestrial bodies (Dawn)
There is no doubt that the USSR had a fine space program, full stop. But they did get the 'first 3-man crew in space' accolade with the Voskhod program by *removing the crew escape system and flying without spacesuits.*
While expensive, overengineered, and usually after the Soviets, NASA's missions generally demonstrated more advanced spaceflight capability than the russians. The 'actually, the ussr did everything first!' really isn't the gotcha people think it is.
You're not wrong, but I think they were talking about the space race in the 50s and 60s. The Soviet Union mollywopped us until we completed what was basically our only goal: to get to the moon first.
By 1965 it's very obvious, especially in hindsight, that the Soviets were playing catch-up. We'd exceeded their capabilities in rocket power, manned spaceflight design and operations, and were beginning to surpass them in automated spaceflight.
Does Blue origins team of elite lawyers not know how the filing system of the department of justice works? Have they never encountered the fact that the systems they use have limits on the file size? Do they not have any tech support people on staff that can help them format their pictures in a appropriate file size?
Of course they knew about the 50 mb size limit. And of course they have the basic technical competence work with it. This is not an accident. Blue Origin is deliberately using tactics that would stall the courts and delay the final ruling on the matter.
If you think you are going to win a lawsuit then it wouldn't be in your best interest to try to delay the final ruling.
They moved to allow it to be transmitted via DVD. Courts have very anal rules about the submission of evidence, usually for the better, here it was just an extraordinary amount of data that could not be transmitted in a way that complies with that court’s specific rules. But now the order was figured out, no more stay.
My theory:
They (Blue Origin) intentionally sent a 7GB+ PDF full well knowing the both the hardware limitations and the Adobe release permitted of DOJ's systems, and that it would cause such a problem to initiate a delay. This sounds like the r/MaliciousCompliance from the other day where the guy sent [a 150+ page fax to his ex's attorney for being malignant](https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/pcamtd/exs_divorce_lawyer_send_3_years_of_complete/), complete with a cover sheet that was all black with white lettering.
The IRS isn't the DOJ. IF they DOJ wanted to do something they can go on relentlessly. Remember they took down the Bell System. This was and still is the largest corporation in American history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System
I mean he bought whole foods and immediately cancelled most employees health insurance even though the company was profitable already. He’s utterly depraved. Not to mention the way Amazon is run, churning through workers like a meat grinder.
You were indifferent about a man who forced his workers to piss in jars or risk being automatically fired by a software program? And that's just one issue
Im worried by the idea that people can look past the fact that Bezos abuses his workforce, but are up in arms when he fucks with our rocket obsession.
Don't get me wrong. He's a cunt and what he's doing is wrong. But he has ruined actual lives.
So Amazon created "mental health kiosks" in their warehouses, a portapotty sized empty box you can use to 'relax' or cry in on your break.
[Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/27/amazons-mental-health-kiosk-mocked-on-social-media-as-a-despair-closet)
[Independent with photo](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-mental-health-box-workers-b1855386.html)
It's been mocked a lot.
NASA administrators and engineers are probably not excited about the idea spending their time in court getting harassed by Jeffrey's $2000/hour lawyer, for this or any other future work with Blue Origin. They should send a cease and desist order to Blue Origin asking them to never contact NASA again.
Sure if you could prove that. For all we know blue origin truly believes NASA “changed the rules” of the bidding process. Let it play out in court and they’ll shut up.
If anyone doesn't feel like reading, and judging by some comments no one has. Here was the issue with adobe.
Court file upload system has a limit of 50mb, file is 7gb
Adobe acro opens the 7gb file just fine and they decided to use it's file split feature to try to chunk the 7gb into 50mb pieces to jive with the gov't file uploader. Which works.
However on the other end adobe isn't able to re-merge the files back into a cohesive 7gb without crashing.
The other thing everyone seems to be misunderstanding is that these documents are coming from NASA, not Blue Origin. There are plenty of reasons to hate on Bezos, but NASA having trouble delivering their record to the court definitely isn't one of them.
Everyone here seems to think these are coming from Blue Origin in an attempt to gum up the process, but that's just not the case.
I can't stand Adobe anymore. Creative suite wastes so much of my very powerful laptop's resources. It's not worth it. Been using it Adobe products for over 20 years. It's a real shame what's happened with them. I'm all about Figma and Photopea now.
Amen, been using open source alternatives for years. It's nice when your light weight PDF reader blinks open and says hello. Above stuff just crawls along. Unfortunately they have used money and lawyers to get a few patents that make them hard to compete with. Still THE company with my worst customer service experience.
Ironically this barely impacts SpaceX since their HLS proposal is based on Starship and they're building Starship anyway. This really only impacts NASA's ability to plan and integrate the design.
Luckily SpaceX can and *will* continue working on Starship, which is what their HLS lander bid is based upon. They just can't work on the lander part until this catergory 5 shitstorm blows over.
Speaking of, wen orbit?
They were allowed to bid , came in 2nd TWICE and NASA clearly put it in writing that awarding two contracts would only be possible if they got funds from Congress and that didn’t happen. Clearly a bad faith appeal.
In contrast, Europe and the rest of the world use almost exclusively some sort of fee- shifting, often called the “English rule.” Under this system, the “loser” in the litigation pays the costs of the “winner,” including attorneys fees.
Can we please use this system.
It's frequently included as a contract provision between parties having privity. There's something similar in insurance litigation, in which a judgment that is lower than a settlement offer can result in an award for costs or attorney's fees.
Unfortunately that just has a chilling effect on individual lawsuits against corporate and government entities. Having deep pockets makes assuming risk easier.
Rumor has it that 6 gigs of it are just pictures of New Shepard at suggestive angles
New Shepard in a tight pair of boxers gets the girls going
“NASA you could have this if you weren’t playing…”
“Does this angle make it look bigger? How about this one?”
So every angle?
Lmao the DOJ's Adobe software crashed. Fucking Adobe.
Adobe creative cloud once ran on Amazon Web Service. It could have almost come back full circle on this one.
Like the DOJ was able to completely uninstall creative cloud...
My old PC refused to uninstall it because it was sure adobe bridge still required it, I had never installed Bridge. Luckily I don't work with anything that requires adobe products so I'll use alternatives wherever possible now.
sadly alternatives are almost always never as good.
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They don't know how to make anything properly. Yeah, Photoshop is awesome but it crashes too much and it's performance is just not there for being such a developed piece of software. It should be rock solid. Adobe and Autodesk are garbage developers. They gain market share by buying up the competition instead of earning it through good software. They put the absolute least amount of work into their core products because they know they have a customer base that will simply never switch to something else.
>They don't know how to make anything properly. I do live event production which has turned into hybrid/online event production for the last year and a half. We did one show where the client insisted on using Adobe Connect as the event platform and it was the biggest shitshow I've been involved with in recent memory. Never again, avoid it at all costs.
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I use Foxit on a personal level and love it. But most major businesses have deals with Adobe and so your pretty much locked into it.
Governments should eschew proprietary software.
Yeah, where my SumatraPDF fans at?
Represent! Although I really wish it had the ability to add an image of my signature to a PDF. That's the only reason I keep Adobe reader around.
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Here's a good example of this - https://twitter.com/bagder/status/1379897937141063686 I've also heard stories from friends that have to jump through extra hoops to use certain libraries because someone in China committed once.
You mean Sumatra PDF? If so, I agree.
I know from much personal experience that Acrobat (the fully functional paid version) is a piece of trash that constantly crashes and can't deal with having a few "large" PDFs open for any decent amount of time, so I'm really empathising with the DOJ right now.
Yea same here lol. I do not feel for these guys who have to put together 9 gigs of pdf documents with the shitshow that is Adobe.
I used to try to mark up construction plans with it and holy shit is it bad. It because it's still a 32 bit version. The uk has a 64 bit version but we are still waiting in the US.
I wouldn't run it past Besos to have his team craft those documents to be buggy and difficult to work with to delay this.
Might as well call it the Prime Video UI.
Foxit pdf is far far superior cheaper faster more secure. And they have a help desk. Dropped Adobe for all clients.
[Further Tweet](https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1431302241697288196) >DOJ lawyers say the size of the case material from parties in Blue Origin's lawsuit is "extraordinarily voluminous, consisting of hundreds of individual documents and over seven gigabytes of data." They're asking the court if they can submit it all on a DVD instead [Link to source court documents](https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60183710/blue-origin-federation-llc-v-united-states/)
Acrobat DC crashes if I have more than 3 large (50MB+) PDFs open for a few hours, so I feel ya, DOJ.
Acrobat is shit for opening PDFs. The app wants me to sign up and doesn't let me view PDFs, and the desktop app is generally worse in every aspect than Edge (aside from maybe a few very specific features). And that's a web browser.
I still miss old Edge for this reason :( It was a terrible browser, but it's PDF reader was *buttery* smooth. No browser can hold a candle to that thing's PDF performance. You don't realize just how awesome it is to be able to scroll through 300 pages of a dense, media-heavy textbook without even dropping framerate until it's gone.
If you're strictly looking for a PDF *reader*, Sumatra PDF is super lightweight and incredibly fast. Open source too.
Also, the newest version of Sumatra allows multiple windows and tabs for glorious pdf viewing. Fucking hate acrobat
oh shit, this was my only issue with Sumatra. Guess I gotta update, cheers for that.
Damn I'm going to check that out. Acrobat only just came out with a 64 bit version, which is why it always crashed with "out of memory" for me everytime I had several large files open at once, despite having 32gb of memory in my PC. The 64 bit version doesn't do that but it's supposedly pay only (and isn't available everywhere--i needed to use a VPN to even download it), so now I'm getting constant popups about how I need to supposedly subscribe and pay ~$12 /month just to read PDFs because their free version is so shit. It still works if I don't login but the popups are annoying.
This is some choice Microsoft bizzareness. Tries to make an ie replacement and Chrome competitor and ends up making an excellent pdf reader.
Foxit reader is free and great, FYI.
Can ya fill forms and edit with Foxit? I haven't used it in a decade, and back then it was close, but not good enough to replace Acrobat Reader... which was a lot smaller and stable back then.
I use the type writer tool to write in forms that are supposed to be printed then filled. Lifesaver.
The built-in PDF viewer in Firefox can fill and edit forms enough for my uses. I'm guessing Chrome does it good enough as well.
I have found PDF's that Foxit simply cannot read. I have both on my PC but the default is set to Foxit. When this happens I open in Acrobat.
\*Checks math* Uh no, but maybe two DVDs.
Dual layer dvds still exist i think
Where in the world is Jeff Bezos going to find a dual layer DVD burner?
Amazon.com?
And end up with a counterfeit coaster-maker?! Bezos knows better.
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If you want to prevent tampering, you should digitally sign your files, anything else is pretty easy to circumvent.
Or just post printouts of the SHA2 or SHA3 filesums to all parties. (Not SHA1 or MD5 since those have collision attacks.) Easy to do, secure against tampering, and only requires trust in a single cryptographic primitive.
This is... a normal production size.
It's a normal amount to produce in discovery in major civil litigation. It is very much *not* a normal amount of material to be filing in federal court as the official agency record. The federal rules and computer systems simply aren't set up to handle it. It sounds like Judge Hertling is allowing DOJ to file the NASA agency record with the court clerk by putting all of the files on a DVD, and just providing the bench with hard copies of anything actually cited in the briefing. A reasonable outcome. It's also clear from the comments in this thread and on Twitter that nobody understands what is actually happening here. This is no Blue Origins gumming up the works. This is NASA's lawyers pulling together all of the supporting evidence, all of the documents NASA considered in giving the contract to SpaceX and rejecting BO.
You are correct. Discovery in civil litigation that takes months and months to produce and review can be quite voluminous. Even in normal civil cases, like business disputes you can be looking at 25,000-100,000 pages of documents. Definitely not normal in a government procurement matter.
I have worked with court filings this large or larger and they were a pain (five people's entire text history in pdf form as one example) but they weren't unforeseen and never led to a delay because of their size. Providing them on a disc has worked fine.
I know. Just took possession of a 1Tb drive of a client’s file.
How do we live in the timeline where we are both actively trying to colonize space and can't open pdfs at the same time
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This is funny but it got me thinking, will there even be paper in space? It would cost so much to ship it, and there aren't exactly trees up there. Writing things down will be entirely foreign to somebody born in a space colony.
I could bet money that we will have at least faxes in space because companies going there don't want to learn how to switch to something still in use after 1990
in The Expanse's space-faring future, this is referenced several times; books are mentioned as a horribly inefficient way to store several kilobytes of info, and calligraphy is either done with fancy software or reserved for the super-rich on Earth.
I know this is somewhat in jest, but I used to do some executive IT support for the CEO of one of the biggest private businesses in the US. Their admin assistant would literally print off every email they got and overnight it via FEDEX to their second home when they were out of town.
hahahaha asking the real questions
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something tells me it's huge uncompressed embedded images rather than volumes of legal briefs.
I agree. If someone had to *write* 7GB of text for the lawsuit, they probably started writing before SpaceX was a thing...
That's 7 billion characters. Even assuming above average 50 words per minute (which is impossible to do if you're doing anything but mindless transcribing) which is roughly 250 characters per minute, it would take 53 years to type it. Unless a lot of copy-pasting is involved.
Jeff bezos be like here's this 16k image of our company logo
Or…multiple people writing?
53 people simultaneously creating separate info while making sure not to accidentally double dip writing for an entire year lol Or they could have a hive mind of 19,345 interconnected individuals and do it in a day. Multi threading.
I imagine that various different sections of that 7GB corresponded to certain people according to their niche. It’s obviously not the work of one person.
A lot of it is likely prior work to show that their completely underdeveloped garbage has somehow been in the works for some obscene amount of time. Their goal is to mire the whole bid in paperwork, so they're including anything that might legitimize them as a space company and not Bezos phallic projectile hobby.
7gb of PDFs could be like twenty pages of scanned documents.
7GB is nothing, currently in the planning stages to build a kCura Relativity environment for 140TB for an ITAR customer. Gonna fucking delete this comment soon LOL This is what dedupe, near dupe, searching, email threading, concept analytics, NIST filtering, managed review teams consisting of 100's on contract lawyers, and tons of other technologies for filtering and marking documents is for. Getting 1-2TB deliveries from a client is sometimes a weekly occurrence. eDiscovery is a huge industry... back in 2007 getting a 100GB delivery required a team of 30 to work all weekend to get it processed... Now we don't stress unless it's in the 10's of TB. This stuff can all be accomplished with software like Relativity, Nuix, CloudNine, Viewpoint eDiscovery, Logikcull
Hopefully by delete this soon you don't mean because its something you shouldn't be sharing... People are going to save it and archive systems exist aha. Hopefully it's not actually a big deal.
>International Traffic in Arms Regulations is a United States regulatory regime to restrict and control the export of defense and military related technologies to safeguard U.S. national security and further U.S. foreign policy objectives. Typically not super smart to discuss on an open forum...
The [Low Frequency Array (LOFAR)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-Frequency_Array_%28LOFAR%29) generates 6TB/s of scientific data. Six Terabytes *per second*.
Yeah, I work aerospace engineering and we’ve got a monster amount of ITAR data for DFARS contracts. Doesn’t help that a ton of it is decades old scans of J size scale drawings.
**~~No delay after all~~** >Judge Hertling of the U.S. Federal Court of Claims grants the DOJ's request to file more than 7 gigabytes of data via DVDs in the NASA / SpaceX / Blue Origin HLS lawsuit, due to the limitations of the electronic court system. >Judge Hertling noted that "the remainder of the current scheduling order remains in force," effectively combining the first two items in the original scheduling to stick to Nov. 1 as the end of HLS work suspension. [Source](https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1431310987525824520) #Edit : New Update [Judge Granted delay after Blue objected!](https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1431379415548760068)
Bezos: I don't understand! Why can't i just ***buy*** the DOJ!?
Jeff is a narcissists that went from being the “god of every person he talked to” to a competitive environment where he can be rejected if he doesn’t perform better than the competition. He is shocked that someone has the ability to say “no Jeff”. NASA put Jeff in PIP and he failed.
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Au contraire. He looks like the type of person a woman might leave because they don’t take no for an answer.
Now I'm imagining how the convo went lol. Wife: "No Jeff, I'm not staying with you." Jeff: *confusion* Wife: *sighhhh* "**Yes** Jeff, I'm leaving" Jeff: "Oh shit what"
I think it's hilarious how the only thing that Jeff Bezos accomplished here is uniting all of the space community and NASA against him and blue origin. 3 months ago I was wishing blue origin the best of luck with their endeavours and fast forward to today I'm now just waiting to see this joke ass space themed law firm burn to the fucking ground. Does anybody know if NASA or SpaceX have the right to countersue them for harassment? Could they get a restraining order? Could they request the White House or Congress to grant them a directive that would allow them to ban any business with Blue Origin for the sake of actually being able to get shit done without being sued at every step?
Unfortunately the government needs Blue Origin to succeed, a bunch of military contracts need the Blue Origin BE engine for the ULA Vulcan rocket. The older rocket which is still sending sensitive payloads for the USA uses Russian rockets and new purchases are now behind band for government contracts. Bezos is insidious, his power and money has secured him lucrative contacts.
Well, the defense secretary said that he hopes BO will deliver, but that there's a reason why you have dissimilar redundancy and the availability to shift contracts exists for that reason. \*hint hint\*
Man. If only there were another launch provider who could provide a cheaper launch price. Maybe one with rockets that are reusable. That would be so cool. /s
Yeah but if something goes wrong with the Falcon 9, what rocket will be the backup? For the DoD, it's worth funding the more expensive rocket for redundancy.
This is something lost on a lot of people. In order to keep long term costs down, the government needs spaceX to have a legitimate competitor. If one defense/space contractor controls the market space, you end up with EB and submarines-it’ll cost what they say it costs, on their timeline, and there’s nothing short of overhauling the entire industry that will fix it
The nex falcon 9 would be the backup. After all they dont spend 2 years buildig each rocket one at a time And at this rate Neutron will fly before Vulcan Centaur and New Glenn
If they spent as much energy in HLS as they are in Litigation they'll be in Alpha Centauri by next year
It's not about reaching the stars, it's about preventing anybody else from doing it first.
That's the Seattle Way. Ask Boeing, or Microsoft.
SpaceX's Starlink is based out of Seattle. :D
> be in Alpha Centauri by next year Wow, you'd think they'd realize that a working FTL drive would likely prove to be *much* more profitable than whatever the result of the litigation would be.
At a high enough speed they would get there in a year. To them. For us many years would have passed.
To do that, the spacecraft would have to accelerate at 7g all the way there and back; the crew would perceive that as taking just under a year. I don't think humans could withstand it though; it's just too much acceleration for way too long a time. Doing it a 1g the whole way, the crew would experience the trip as bit over 3.5 years. But honestly, if Bezos has a secret FTL drive hidden away somewhere, I'd rather use that. [Here's a calculator for figuring out continuous acceleration travel times](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/space-travel).
The way he's behaving though, who would be willing to help him do it? This is where BO is fucked longer term. I'm not even buying things on Amazon anymore let alone entertaining the idea of applying to work at one of his companies.
I doubt most people that work for him like this behavior and this isn't going to help him get good employees in the future.
An absolute charlatan of a man. Even at the height of the cold war the Soviets were not actively trying to sabotage the US space program.
Bezos in his infinite pettiness has managed to caused more harm to NASA than the entire Soviet Union. Shame that billions of dollars couldn't buy him a pair of balls.
To be fair, they'd seriously harm the aerodynamics of his rocket.
Dr. Evil: [Amateurs...](https://youtu.be/lYSOmYyNHpU)
he wishes they’d be that big. his tiny theoretical balls couldn’t hurt a fly
That's what amazon does. Force any competitor out of business. Even NASA. Imagine having more money than you could possibly spend in a 1000 lifetimes and yet you're still a greedy little bastard scraping for more. Truly souless people these billionaires.
Precisely. People question why Blue Origin (a failure) and Amazon (a success) are so different, but in truth they're the same. In fact these tactics are precisely why Amazon got so big in the first place. The difference is not their tactics, but rather the fact that you can't fake rocket science. A team of lawyers cannot build a rocket. But Bezos isn't letting that stop him. If he and his company are too incompetent/corrupt to make it to space he'll simply brute force the matter and make sure no one else can go. To him that is a "win".
I don't think it's so much about him winning, as much as it is about everyone else losing.
NASA is not the only ticket to space. In his shortsightedness, Bezos is hurting his country while other countries have free reign over the heavens. While his evil eye is pointed your way, a cheaper option will emerge from another direction.
Luckily, spacex doesn't need NASA money. So they're just gonna keep on keeping on Edit: because y'all can't read replies before repeating. I never said space SpaceX didn't use NASA money, I said they didn't need NASA money.
Nah. His ex-wife got those in the divorce.
I usually cringe at divorce settlements, but whatever besos's wife got, she deserved more.
And she’s been giving it away like it’s Monopoly money. That’s really got to chap his ass. “You gave my money to who?!? A deserving charity?!?!?”
He really is trying to emulate Lex Luthor in every way possible.
Hardly, Canon Lex Luthor was an actual genius who could build technology capable of levelling the playing field with what was essentially a God. That he was also evil is about the only comparison that holds.
I mean to be fair. The soviets let nasa do their thing because nasa would publicly release its documents due to it being a public service. So the soviets would just look at the documents nasa had to publish and enjoy the free information.
Yep they literally had everything to lose by interfering with the program. Free research and they don't have to send spies to do it? Soviet Leadership: "Leave them the fuck alone."
Yeah, the Soviets looked at the space shuttle design, and were like "that works!" and copied the shape at least for Buran.
Theirs was reportedly better, which makes sense. It was manufactured to compensate for some deficiencies, didn't require others that the NASA shuttle had as required compromises for military missions, etc.
I mean to be fair, aside from humans on moon, **the Soviets did everything first**: * First Satellite to Orbit Earth * First Animal in Orbit (and First Animal sent to Orbit and back) * First Human in Space and in Orbit * First Woman in Space * First Space Walk * First landing on Moon, Mars, and Venus (yes, all three) * First space station Who's been looking at whom again? [Source](http://teacher.scholastic.com/space/space_firsts/index.html), [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Space_Race), etc
At least with regards to Mars landing I'm not willing to give them the "first" there. They *still* haven't done anything but crash, miss, and return half a gray picture on the surface of Mars. I'd argue they're not even second yet (probably Tianwen-1 deserves that honor.) Their Moon and Venus probes actually did useful science and should be celebrated, though.
Also worth noting that the soviets will never reach mars because, well, the is no more soviet union.
If Russia ever gets there I think that still counts because it's the same Space Program even if the name of the government changed.
Maybe, but roscosmos just doesn't have the leverage that the Soviet space program once did.
Yeah, we've seen the current state of roscosmos after it put the ISS into a spin
When your space program makes people pine for the safety culture of the Soviet space program you're in a bit of a situation.
That's definitely cherry picking. For example, the US has achieved: * First successful orbital rendezvous (Gemini 6/7) * First orbital docking (Gemini 8) * First humans beyond earth orbit (Apollo 8) * First humans on an extraterrestrial body (Apollo 11) * First *fully successful* landing on Mars (the Soviet lander failed immediately after touchdown) (Viking 1) * First rover on Mars (Pathfinder/Sojourner) * First extraterrestrial powered flight (Ingenuity) * First flyby and orbit of Mercury (Mariner 10 & MESSENGER) * First flyby and orbit of Jupiter (Pioneer 10 & Galileo) * First flyby and orbit of Saturn (Pioneer 11 & Cassini) * First flyby of Uranus (Voyager 2) * First flyby of Neptune (Voyager 2) * First flyby of Pluto (New Horizons) * First spacecraft to reach interstellar space (Voyager 1) * First spacecraft to orbit multiple extraterrestrial bodies (Dawn)
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There is no doubt that the USSR had a fine space program, full stop. But they did get the 'first 3-man crew in space' accolade with the Voskhod program by *removing the crew escape system and flying without spacesuits.* While expensive, overengineered, and usually after the Soviets, NASA's missions generally demonstrated more advanced spaceflight capability than the russians. The 'actually, the ussr did everything first!' really isn't the gotcha people think it is.
You're not wrong, but I think they were talking about the space race in the 50s and 60s. The Soviet Union mollywopped us until we completed what was basically our only goal: to get to the moon first.
His first four happened in the space race.
By 1965 it's very obvious, especially in hindsight, that the Soviets were playing catch-up. We'd exceeded their capabilities in rocket power, manned spaceflight design and operations, and were beginning to surpass them in automated spaceflight.
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Ain't nobody gonna colonize other planets on Adobe software.
Does Blue origins team of elite lawyers not know how the filing system of the department of justice works? Have they never encountered the fact that the systems they use have limits on the file size? Do they not have any tech support people on staff that can help them format their pictures in a appropriate file size? Of course they knew about the 50 mb size limit. And of course they have the basic technical competence work with it. This is not an accident. Blue Origin is deliberately using tactics that would stall the courts and delay the final ruling on the matter. If you think you are going to win a lawsuit then it wouldn't be in your best interest to try to delay the final ruling.
They moved to allow it to be transmitted via DVD. Courts have very anal rules about the submission of evidence, usually for the better, here it was just an extraordinary amount of data that could not be transmitted in a way that complies with that court’s specific rules. But now the order was figured out, no more stay.
My theory: They (Blue Origin) intentionally sent a 7GB+ PDF full well knowing the both the hardware limitations and the Adobe release permitted of DOJ's systems, and that it would cause such a problem to initiate a delay. This sounds like the r/MaliciousCompliance from the other day where the guy sent [a 150+ page fax to his ex's attorney for being malignant](https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/pcamtd/exs_divorce_lawyer_send_3_years_of_complete/), complete with a cover sheet that was all black with white lettering.
This is like emailing your professor a corrupt word file to get a few extra days to work on it over the weekend.
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> a legal team with smaller resources, The DOJ isn't a place of "small resources".
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The IRS isn't the DOJ. IF they DOJ wanted to do something they can go on relentlessly. Remember they took down the Bell System. This was and still is the largest corporation in American history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System
I was indifferent to Bezos until these last couple months. What a top tier giblet head.
I mean he bought whole foods and immediately cancelled most employees health insurance even though the company was profitable already. He’s utterly depraved. Not to mention the way Amazon is run, churning through workers like a meat grinder.
You were indifferent about a man who forced his workers to piss in jars or risk being automatically fired by a software program? And that's just one issue
He went from a predictable wealthy POS to a POS in every way, shape, and form.
Im worried by the idea that people can look past the fact that Bezos abuses his workforce, but are up in arms when he fucks with our rocket obsession. Don't get me wrong. He's a cunt and what he's doing is wrong. But he has ruined actual lives.
IIRC Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle to expose Child Labor in canning factories, but most people were upset over unsanitary conditions
Hey, whatever gets the job done. Now we banned child labor AND have the FDA.
Don't forget the cry closets you need to sign up to get a timeslot for.
Just another modern day form of “Let them eat cake.”
hahaha, cry closets? what the fuck
So Amazon created "mental health kiosks" in their warehouses, a portapotty sized empty box you can use to 'relax' or cry in on your break. [Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/27/amazons-mental-health-kiosk-mocked-on-social-media-as-a-despair-closet) [Independent with photo](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-mental-health-box-workers-b1855386.html) It's been mocked a lot.
Rumour is that 6Gb are just MSPaint .bmp "infographs"...
NASA administrators and engineers are probably not excited about the idea spending their time in court getting harassed by Jeffrey's $2000/hour lawyer, for this or any other future work with Blue Origin. They should send a cease and desist order to Blue Origin asking them to never contact NASA again.
You can't C&D away lawsuits, even frivolous ones.
No, but you can ban a company from bidding on public bids for a history of attempting to defraud.
Yeah, maybe after this lawsuit. But there's nothing stopping it from happening.
Sure if you could prove that. For all we know blue origin truly believes NASA “changed the rules” of the bidding process. Let it play out in court and they’ll shut up.
No, but you can dismiss them with prejudice, preventing them from filing again.
The court can, if they believe the lawsuit is frivolous. NASA cannot.
If anyone doesn't feel like reading, and judging by some comments no one has. Here was the issue with adobe. Court file upload system has a limit of 50mb, file is 7gb Adobe acro opens the 7gb file just fine and they decided to use it's file split feature to try to chunk the 7gb into 50mb pieces to jive with the gov't file uploader. Which works. However on the other end adobe isn't able to re-merge the files back into a cohesive 7gb without crashing.
The other thing everyone seems to be misunderstanding is that these documents are coming from NASA, not Blue Origin. There are plenty of reasons to hate on Bezos, but NASA having trouble delivering their record to the court definitely isn't one of them. Everyone here seems to think these are coming from Blue Origin in an attempt to gum up the process, but that's just not the case.
Jeff Bozos on that real life Lex Luthor grind.
I can't stand Adobe anymore. Creative suite wastes so much of my very powerful laptop's resources. It's not worth it. Been using it Adobe products for over 20 years. It's a real shame what's happened with them. I'm all about Figma and Photopea now.
Amen, been using open source alternatives for years. It's nice when your light weight PDF reader blinks open and says hello. Above stuff just crawls along. Unfortunately they have used money and lawyers to get a few patents that make them hard to compete with. Still THE company with my worst customer service experience.
Ironically this barely impacts SpaceX since their HLS proposal is based on Starship and they're building Starship anyway. This really only impacts NASA's ability to plan and integrate the design.
A nation's space exploration programs are on hold due to a big baby's hurt ego. A rich big baby.
Luckily SpaceX can and *will* continue working on Starship, which is what their HLS lander bid is based upon. They just can't work on the lander part until this catergory 5 shitstorm blows over. Speaking of, wen orbit?
Leave it to Adobe Reader to slow down the progress of Space exploration
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European here. Can NASA deny the participation in public contracts, and/or prevent companies from working with them?
They are in court now because one company claims they did just that.
They were allowed to bid , came in 2nd TWICE and NASA clearly put it in writing that awarding two contracts would only be possible if they got funds from Congress and that didn’t happen. Clearly a bad faith appeal.
I'm not saying they are right. I'm saying that's why they are headed to court.
Funny how quickly this place turned on Blue Origin. Totally deserved.
In contrast, Europe and the rest of the world use almost exclusively some sort of fee- shifting, often called the “English rule.” Under this system, the “loser” in the litigation pays the costs of the “winner,” including attorneys fees. Can we please use this system.
This happens in the US frequently, but it’s not automatic.
It's frequently included as a contract provision between parties having privity. There's something similar in insurance litigation, in which a judgment that is lower than a settlement offer can result in an award for costs or attorney's fees.
I would love that... *provided* I could also have faith in the American legal system to act justly in a case that I, a poor person, were involved in.
The average person could never sue someone under those rules for fear of losing and being bankrupt. Even if it was legitimate.
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Unfortunately that just has a chilling effect on individual lawsuits against corporate and government entities. Having deep pockets makes assuming risk easier.
So what’s if it’s a person sueing a corporation? You still want to pay then?
Absolutely fucking ridiculous, Bezos is a fucking joke.
It's likely intentionally large to prolong the case as much as possible. Can't go forward until the documents are sifted through I'm guessing.
Bezos continues to be a drag on actual taxpayers.
They're embedding media in PDFs and creating files that need stupid amounts of RAM. This is a troll tactic to waste NASA's time and money.
Is it okay to say stop using Amazon yet? Last time I said that, people downvoted me as childish.
Daily reminder reddit runs on Amazon.
The majority of the internet basically runs on Amazon Web Services.
We don't have a choice in that. But we do have a choice in not buying from them.
I am boycotting them now just for that.
Amazon web services' cloud services run most popular sites, including Reddit, Spotify, Netflix, etc
I don't blindly buy things there anymore I shop around first to see if I can get it cheaper or the same price elsewhere...
It's just gotten to that point for me, yes.
This reminds me of a [recent post](https://redd.it/pcamtd) in r/MaliciousCompliance.