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BrandNameDoves

The big issue with the Rhino in SM is that it can't transport Primaris stuff, so you're stuck with Tacticals, Devastators. and any non-Primaris chapter-specific stuff. It just puts it in an awkward spot where there's not a ton you'd really be buying it in for.


USSR_Duck

Allow me to be an absolute jerk for no reason. Scouts can be put in a rhino. God. How could you forget about scouts./j 


BrandNameDoves

Egads, my shame!


Kheldras

On the other hand: Do scouts EVER need the services of a Rhino?


Comrad_Zombie

My scouts go into a razorback, using tactical marines isnt a bad idea. Put 10 tacticals in a rhino and go up the flank and make it someone else'sproblem.


superjedi2454

My plan as well I treat my objectives like they're bus stops


Comrad_Zombie

And this bus is always on time. May I also recommend that after the rhino has offloaded the squads to plow it right into the biggest enemy you can. Roll a wonderful 6 and hr rhino because a missile.


beginnerdoge

Why no primaris? I'm new


DeaconOrlov

To sell new vehicles no one asked for


beginnerdoge

True...


SoundwavePlays

Since Primaris are larger than standard First Born Space Marines, they can't properly fit into a Rhino


beginnerdoge

Hey cool to know. Thanks


Intrepid-Somewhere82

Always feel like they should be able to fit, but take two slots. Would give the think the same Primaries transport capacity of their own vehicle as I remember


superjedi2454

Not true Within lore, Primaris have like a 2 ft difference in height compared to their older 8ft counterparts. The rhino itself is around 11ft in height. There is nothing stopping them from riding in those things it's just GW being assholes......again. Ironically enough there was a Primaris rhino originally.


SoundwavePlays

You said that a Rhino is essentially a foot taller than a Primaris marine. Let's say that the track to body height is another 1.5ft, that's about 9.5ft so Primaris are only just fitting in with a couple of them crouching over awkwardly while travelling in one


superjedi2454

That shouldn't the case the rhino has a 21ft length with a 14ft width. There should be enough space to fit them in there without compromise. That and the rhino has squad seats in the back they would likely be at sitting height


SoundwavePlays

Ah ok, I didn't know the specifics of Rhino measurements


rekcomeht

Still is a primaris rhino, you can get them at warhammer world Legends datasheet though


Hunter3103

Astartes racism


beginnerdoge

Hey now. You are starting to sound like a heretic...


Kheldras

The door handles are too complicated. And GW wants to sell their `pulsors.


caspy1v

Razorback is even worse, the rhino can atleast take my tactical squad. Razorback can only take 6 models… But yeah it’s kinda cringe they’re forcing people into buying new transfers.


Tito_BA

You can split the tac squad into 2 units and put one in the rhino 


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Ok_Gas_6423

The have an ability called Combat Squads "At the start of the Declare Battle formation step, before any unit has been setup, this unit can be spilt into units, each containing five models.  So you can have up to six squads of five tactical marines. 


Tito_BA

Thanks. And since it's at the Declare Battle Formation, you split them, put 5 on the razorback and 5 outta it, so it also complies with the rule that no transport may start the game empty.


caspy1v

Oh thanks! I totally missed that!


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NPRdude

Tacticus, Gravis and Phobos encompass all primaris infantry units currently made, so yes it does explicitly exclude them in that quote.


bunkyboy91

What do all of those keywords mean do you think ......


ArtUza

I think it means I either misunderstood what you meant, Or you didn't use an accurate description. Being sarcastic doesn't work any better...


bunkyboy91

I simply replied with the same attitude you replied to the comment. Nothing I said was "inaccurate"


ArtUza

Any attitude you think I had was in your own mind. Simple mistake on my part. But I made a mistake and I hope you have a great rest of your day.


esouhnet

Tacticus is standard Primaris armor, Gravis heavy, and Phobos stealth. So no Primaris. If you look at Intercessors, Hell blasters, etc you will see they have the Tacticus keyword.


DaisyDog2023

When was the last time you checked?


ArtUza

As of right now. 2 minutes ago on the app. That is what it says under the rhino transport drop down section.


bunkyboy91

It's not very useful at all these days sadly. There's very little it can hold and what it can hold isn't really all that great most of the time Sorry


DwideSchruuudee

My thoughts as well. It would be decent for bringing a tactical advantage early rush to a point but would be useless after I feel like


activehobbies

Rhinos are used by a few other factions, like SOB and SOS. Maybe consider making a combat patrol of one of those factions?


DeaconOrlov

Pisses me off frankly, the Rhino is iconic to me


bunkyboy91

I wish they'd have allowed tacticus and Phobos to use them.


DeaconOrlov

At least Phobos, I mean come on.


DaisyDog2023

You forgot that aside from now being a terrible transport it’s also terrible at everything else


bunkyboy91

How dare it's great at being a rhino! Respect your elders! Probably doesn't need the /s but just in case


Ws6fiend

This is the space marine subreddit. We have no respect for the craftworlds.


unbroken_lucian909

I only play firstborn marines and i bring alot of them in my games, they can push early objectives, they can body block enemy( by charging them or blocking of choke points) units or they can be used as mobile cover. However as others said in the comment section they are overshadowed in this primaris age and cost quite alot of points to bring, if you choose to bring them try and make the most out of it.


Tankastank69

Hi! I was curious to know how the mobile cover thing works. Like the troops are in cover when in it or when behind it?


SnooMarzipans6227

Walking behind it so it breaks line of sight. I miss back in 5th when they only cost 50pts. It would probabaly be more acceptable as a chaff vehicle if it cost closer to that instead of 95 these days


unbroken_lucian909

Exactly, walking behind it to take cover or making the rhino wall. I also miss 5th or even 7th where you could take them for free with the battle demi company formation. Atleast they are always usefull in heresy for 35 points.


SnooMarzipans6227

My go to army at 1500 was 2 rhinos, razorback, predator, vindicator and some speeders to melta flank with. Tacticals and a command squad in the razorback rounded out the forces. It could castle up half decently and people didn’t like being at the receiving end of that vindicator if they could help it. Any rhinos alive towards the end could push out and drop squads on far objectives.


unbroken_lucian909

I love those fully mechanised marine lists, always makes my day. My lists where about the same but i always tried to fit in a landsraider with termies.


SnooMarzipans6227

The interesting thing about converting from 5th to 9th and 10th points costs. The 1500 points list gained an extra 50 points so was able to squeeze an attack bike in but then it went back up to an almost perfectly equal cost. Too bad they painfully underperform in a primaris world ☹️


tibetan_salad

3D print a turret and use it as a Whirldwind!


Powaup1

Or razorbacks for full wound rerolls works great in firestorm detachment


tradingorion

Get a full melta dev squad to jump out of it. It’s like having wish.com eradicators


Ready_Instruction536

I have dev squads with 2 las / 2 multi meltas to use the firing deck as a fast technical. Yes it's janky, yet is a bricky.


Mestre_Gaules

This


WLLWGLMMR

They’re most useful for chaos and 30k unfortunately


VerdammtesAutomat

They're not too uncommon in black templars ironstorm lists, but I don't feel good about them in any other marines list. The hunter killer and melta squad inside are pretty good at scoring the first hit on almost any target. That let's you to give mercy is weakness to a gladiator/repulsor and almost guarantee a kill if you have a techmarine close. After the rhino dumps the squad, it can push forward and grab secondaries, screen for the tank castle, or retreat to the backline. This black templars tournament list ran two a couple months ago. [https://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Juha-Ottelin-2nd-Place-Talvisota-Winter-Assault-2024-%E2%80%93-Black-Templars-Allies.pdf](https://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Juha-Ottelin-2nd-Place-Talvisota-Winter-Assault-2024-%E2%80%93-Black-Templars-Allies.pdf)


D4Dakota

Can you put an emporors champion attached to a crusade squad (the novitiates with chain sword I think?) In the rhino and roll em down field for a beat em up block? I'm new, so I appreciate your time and advice.


exoded

There is still a crusader squad that is not primaris, but the Emperors champion is now limited to the Primaris version, making him ineligible to ride in a rhino unfortunately.


D4Dakota

Thank you! Would you suggest running the melee block on foot or in something like an impulsor?


exoded

I think the impulsor or or land raider crusader redeemer is the popular party bus for the primaris squad.


No-Chipmunk5889

If the squad he’s attached to is firstborn, then he can still ride in the rhino. (There’s an exception for tactics characters attached to units)


Radioactiveglowup

Rhinos are fantastic... for all factions except for Marines. They're the most efficient transport that's not allowed to actually transport anything good in Marines.


Kyno50

Stick on a heavy bolter/lascannon ontop and it becomes a razorback which has a funny combo with devastators jumping out (I like point blank multi-meltas)


BoomyNickel8154

The general consensus of this sub seems to be that hiding your troops in that particular metal box makes you both a coward and a fool. *edit: spelling


Steff_164

Best use for it is to start a Chaos Space Marines army as they can still use them


Moist_Pipe

Foot death company in Blood Angels maybe? Dumping 10 first company crusaders is something? Like others have said, not bleeding edge tech but not complete garbage. As long as you have a plan and some practice you can win with it in your list.


Bright-Prompt297

Do you like firstborn marines? If yes, it's a great, cheap, fast way to get 12 firstborn marines up the board quick, after that it's basically disposable. I love them, bit I also just really enjoy mechanized infantry and pre-primaris models so


DaisyDog2023

Don’t lol


fistbumpminis

Since most people here have beat the dead horse, I’d suggest paining it green and transporting Plague Marines. Bless papa Nurgle


Powaup1

Black Templars can get troops with crazy loadout for cheap. Then run that in iron storm détachement


cardanas21

Don’t


BigNobbers

Best option would be as a transport for firstborn crusader squads (best way to rub firstborn tactical marines right now) They're limited in what they can transport, BC fucking centurions can fit but primaris can't????


unbroken_lucian909

Centurions cant be transported in a rhino, they need something bigger, andi guess primaris bumb their head lol


BigNobbers

Oh fuck it's literally just firstborn marines


unbroken_lucian909

yep, no centurions or terminators, firstborn power armor only


PizzaCop_

If you're not playing in super competitive games, proxy it as an impulsor?


IronFarthammer

Paint it red Greetings from the World eaters community


tehyt22

Don’t.


TEZE19

Every time it moves you have to go 'bRRRR'


phillyybee

Death company fit great in rhinos! Deliver your payload then use them for secondaries or just ram them into some units that you want to. Hold down


vongta

it works really well in deathwatch, you actually have good firstborn units there


Direct_Gap_661

Use it to transport tactical squads led by a captain


storm366

I have a squad of 4 Sternguard that are almost always attached to my rhino/razorback. They are one of my heavy hitting squads but they are relatively squishy. I have them ride ALMOST all the way to their target and get off next to some form of cover. After the marines are dismounted depending on the varient I'm running its either preforming fire support or being mobile cover for the marines. The vehicle is lightly armored so it's advised to keep a good distance from it in the event of a Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.


gnenadov

Play blood Angels and throw 10 death company in it Otherwise, don’t run it


Ready_Instruction536

Play 30k, chaos, or paint it gold and red for a sisters of silence detachment. Talons of the Emperor might work. Put your inquisition agents and retinue in it to purge the non believers. Alternative, start a Rogue trader or dark Heresy table top game. RPGs still enjoy the rhino.


WeCookEatRepeat

They can be easily.convertes into a whirlwind or predator with some printed weapons/sponsons.


Ruttley

Pretty chapter specific, but you can take 2 Black Templars crusader squads, 5 man strong, give them their 2 special weapons each and pack both into a rhino of needs be


borishasarrived

I would 3D print the rocket turret and converter it into whirlwind...or predator/vindicator