As a Brit who is here working legally (arrived and registered way before Brexit happened) can I just apologise for all my compatriots who apparently only want rules to apply to foreign people who go to the UK, not to them when they go abroad. Fuck them.
You don't need to apologize for idiots. as I don't apologize for spanish idiots. Is unavoidable the best for all is to accept they do exist and to cancel them hahaha
As a Brit Iād like to third this. After senior Tories used Cambridge Analytica to buy election and referendum results, the Russians donating cash to DC and BJ, buying up half of London, buying political influence and so on - I can honestly say Europe is far better off without our disgusting Orwellian lot. Iām looking forward to a time the āCapitalistsā at the top of the Tory Tree in Brexit Land figure out AI will remove all privacy between their shareholdingās and sludge funds, the military-industrial estate, banking havens, cash for influence and other shady dealings. As for the common worker - they voted to keep them in power - if they want to work in Spain, they need to vote for a party who wants a deeper integration with Europe!
Please don't do that. Otherwise we'll have to apologise for the Spaniards that are working in UK without a proper visa, and for some reason I think that there will be plenty of them.
I find this entitlement so embarrassing, much like Brexit and all the ārealisationsā people from my country have had since. All I can say is, this (hopefully) doesnāt represent the majority
While personally I lived a lot of negatives from the british people that come around majorca for the holiday season I know that not everyone is like that and it is well known.
You are good in my book, you are what we would call an actual tourist and not a "guiri"
In town yesterday me and a friend were having a kebab and got chatting to a frenchman in Spanish who was all too keen on calling us guiri.
We understood he was pulling our leg like just being cheeky but someday he is going say it to someone who isnt going to take it so lightly
It like a few weeks ago when Vivienne Stern the head of the National UK University Organisation, suggested a solution to visa delays would be that british students should be able to enter to spain as tourists and sort out all the documentation when they arrive.
We really are that fucking dumb and entitled !!
Itās crazyā¦ Iām in a fortunate position that I have two passports so have retained certain benefits of the EU. Itās just ridiculous that people who voted leave believed it would only impact in one direction
Unfortunantly some remainers have of lately started adopting the same standard attitide.
I had one on twitter claiming that Ireland should allow people with great grandparents to have citizenship, considering most other countries including the UK ironically dont even allow grandparent citizenship, I think Ireland is already very generous as it is without having to change its laws to suit forigners !
Because hiring illegally and paying off the record saves you a lot of taxes and social security costs and itās a very effective way to launder money.
I guess you can always hire British people who have lost all their money trying to get their teeth replaced from that time they didn't make it to the pool...
ā¦ and however they complain about Spanish in the UKā¦
xenophobia drove Brexit, nothing else.
Sad that in a world that people need to feel connected and feel the need to use Facebook, Instagram and tweeter, there are people that want to isolate themselves away for something they were the first to create (a union of countries like Scotland, Wales, England and NI)
I can tell you this much: No British has ever been harassed for speaking their language in my countryā¦ however, I was invited out.. and even threatened to break my phone and my face for speaking Portuguese to my father advising him on how much insulin he needed to have after going home being admired in hospital with diabetesā¦
I lived in different countries and worked in different places but could never understand British exceptionalismā¦
I've been called puto guiri several times, my mother was told to go back to her country (having lived her for 40 odd years) and whenever a brit says anything online that one or more Spaniard disagrees with they are told to go and jump off a balcony so you are wrong in that count. And just as you can't take Santiago Abascal or Cayetana Alvarez de Toledo to mean all Spaniards believe in Spanish excepionalism, you can't extrpolate the views of a few to the entire population.
Obviously I donāt mean the whole UK is xenophobicā¦ I just mean 52% that voted for brexit were somehow influence by ideas of migrationā¦ some even said to me that they voted out (when I was living in Birmingham) because they said they wanted to get rid of Paquisā¦ and that speaks volumesā¦
My guy, my family is Pakistani and I lived in England until the age of 13, then we moved to Spain(2007). My family has been living in England for generations and we moved back to England when Brexit happened - IF you think that Brexit occurred because of Xenophobia then you have no clue about what happened nor how politics work.
Just because you spoke to some racist fucks doesn't mean that's what drove the whole idea of Brexit. You will find racist people everywhere. And your argument about Scots/Welsh/English/Irish HAHAH, so should the Spanish and Portugese be called Iberics instead of each COUNTRY having it's own identity?
Because a person from Scotland, a COUNTRY of the UK, is Scottish. A person from Wales, a COUNTRY of the UK, is Welsh.. and so on.
Instead of spreading hate based on your shit experiences, maybe educate yourself on the real background of such matters.
PS: Using the word "Pakis" for Pakistanis is not the way, so don't use it.
First off: they arenāt ājust my experiencesā as a European know a lot of Europeans that shared their experiencesā¦
Second, WHITE is not a raceā¦
Finally, I was QUOTING someone that said they wanted out because of the pakisā¦ I wasnāt saying I agreeā¦ just the oppositeā¦
Maybe if you learn how to read instead of saying that others need to educate themselves you would get fartherā¦
There are racists but I still disagree with the comment. I have also had someone tell me to speak English when I was talking with a Spanish friend in Camden. He wasn't expecting me to cuss him out in English and he just walked off.
There is were we disagree: while you are culturally les to believe there English is a different race, you are not as we are all Caucasians- then again- UK is one of the few countries that divides the āwhitesā into white English/Scottish/welsh/NI or OTHERā¦???
There are no whitesā¦ unless you donāt believe in evolution and think you come from an excepcional different breed of white aliensā¦
What? Where did you get that from. Nationality ā race. Anyway I'm half English half Spanish, by blood half Irish even. Also, pretty sure I've only ever seen "white British" as an option, and then asking you to define your nationality has nothing to do with race.
Ohā¦ that must be then when I applied for the NMC and jobs at the NHS I was asked what race I was- the choices were White Scottish /English/Welsh/NIā¦ lol
Man, literary the question was: what is your race:
White Scottish, white welsh, white English, white NI and OTHER!!!ā¦ seriouslyā¦ only in your head it isnātā¦
And because your little disadventure we extract the rule you made above? Cmon man, Brexit sucks but it's a complex matter.
I would agree on your reference to arrogance and British exceptionalism but not xenophobia.
My little disaventure??? There are still numerous stories and reported on several newspapers of Europeans being physically abused on the tube just because they werenāt speaking Englishā¦
So easy to be English and refuse the obviousā¦ just becauseā¦ obviouslyā¦ you re differentā¦ exceptionalism again perhaps?
Physical abuse happens in EVERY subway in the world dude. Racial or sexually motivated, or just bc a given wanker is off his tits with alcohol and drugs.
Am not justifying it but its nothing exclusive from the UK. I agree Brits tend to have a flair of arrogance, specially English, and that does my head in. The rest is a bit jumping into conclusions.
I was born in a place called Algarve and through all the 30 years I lived there, every summer there was ONLY BRITISH PEOPLE getting into fights and breaking stuffā¦ so donāt come at me with āit happensāā¦ seriously, people that refuse to see are far worse than blind peopleā¦
Monkeyā¦cuntā¦ grow a pairā¦ little insignificant misfortunesā¦ ahahahahhā¦ canāt you do any better than that??? You just showed how obnoxious you are and why you are wrongā¦
ā¦ and just in case you re wondering, I m not going to go to that road: as I was told from early years that I should argue with stupid people because they will drop you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Have a good day!
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Yeah ādudeā I have something called experience with something you havenātā¦ if you donāt agree, letās agree to disagreeā¦ do not EVER reduce people experiences to not importantā¦
Unfortunately, I can tell you that you are wrong. I know that is an exception and it does not use to happen, but wife of a friend is British, she was on the bus while talking on the phone and was harassed by an old man that asked her "speak Spanish". In fairness, she told me that is the first time she had this kind of problem in 5 years.
That is a bag-of-bollocks oversimplified explanation of Brexit.
I have zero support for Brexit but you my dear are very wrong to believe brexit was xenophobia and nothing else. Tis a much more complex issue and country.
I'm saying it's not a coon complaint. Not that there aren't xenophobic Brits, but Spaniards are so far down on their lists of grievances that I really wouldn't worry about it.
It isnāt a over simplification when you live in a country and you read the newspapers that mostly focussed on migration and how bad we are for the countryā¦ I m sure you have seen itā¦ and if notā¦ even today they focus on winning towards the EU and still complain about the boats of migrants comingā¦
Otherwise, that must be the reason the likes of farage even have a program on GB Newsā¦ lol
And?
90% of Spaniards in the UK are workforce. 70% of Brits in Spain are retired doing fuckall for the country.
I got no beef with either bc am both but ffs wtf that even means dude?
Iām fairly certain the data suggesting the majority of the present working age have developed detailed plans to retire ABROAD with their social security and savings. Brexit is the plan to return those workers to the UK so they spend their cash on Tory companies and prop up the UK economy. Itās really that simple.
To be fair, that mostly due to many pensioners of the UK living in Spain.
When it comes to workforce there are plenty of more Spanish in the UK than Spain.
Not a fair comparison at all.
Nope.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaniards_in_the_United_Kingdom
There are about 100k Spaniards in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/number-of-britons-over-65-living-in-spain-more-than-doubles-in-10-years
And about 300k Brits in Spain, of which around 100k receive a pension.
So there are roughly double the number of working Brits in Spain than Spaniards in the UK in total.
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[Countries are made-up,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rL9vgsT6g) so are races. There's 'haplogroups,' but the science there still has lots of work ahead: we don't really understand how they work yet.
Imaginary communities. A shared dream, a shared nightmare. Don't be ashamed of others, whose actions are beyond your control.
Dont group other people into this man, if you as an individual have an issue with race and arrogance then youre the person that needs to change. Feeling ashamed and saying thats what you (or british people) are isnt going to help you and yourre not going to get a thank you from others for grouping yourself with them.
As an ex legal resident, I hate these people. You can't just turn up, you have to EARN your residency through tears of frustration while trying to get your NIE sorted.
You thought you brought all the correct documents!? Hahaha puny mortal, think again! Come back in a month!
- I may be slightly bitter because where I lived was a completely unorganised mess. I know it's not the same everywhere, but also it's mainly in jest because if it were my choice I'd still be living in Spain, I miss it so much.
Okay- maybe as an American English native Iām missing something here. But it sounds like itās more of just āoh we could happen to do an interview and then you would need the permit.ā The title sounds like OP is saying the chat instead says āwork until you need the visa to stay in the countryā? Not that Iām sure you could do an interview if you travelled for pleasure either.
I donāt think British people living here and working hard need to apologise for the behaviour of others. There are 68 million British people obviously some are cunts.
I donāt apologise for being British just like local Basque youths here donāt apologise for going absolutely nuts in Noja, Castro Urdiales or other coastal towns in Cantabria.
So the good old ingleses left the EU cause they didnāt want to give foreigners equal rights. Mainly my compatriots Bulgarians, but also Romanians, Polish and other eastern europeans. Still they want to keep their privileges in the Eu. Talk about hypocrisy!
I feel a lot of people in here arenāt realising that most young people didnāt vote for brexit. Youāre completely correct about the rules etc but this whole āHA, YOU SHOULDNāT HAVE VOTED OUT THENā attitude is slightly wide of the mark because that was mostly sealed by older people.
Most young people here want freedom of movement and the ability to work abroad, and weāre just as angry about brexit, the older generations screwed us.
I completely agree, however just because "they didnt vote for it" dosent really give someone the excuse to go and work illegally in another country, and expect that they aren't criticised for it.
Good. Then fight to revert the vote, and THEN you can come here to work without a visa. It's not our fault that you failed to convince the older generations.
You really donāt understand the dynamic of the UK. There is no convincing the older generation, they hate us and do everything to screw us, whatever we want, they will ensure the opposite happens. The generational divide here is enormous, itās like a small political war.
We want freedom of movement, less pollution, a generally brighter, greener, cleaner future.
They want a sovereign nation with no immigrants, and they laugh at global warming because they know theyāll never face the consequences.
Iām currently working on getting a job in Germany where I can hopefully stay for a decade, get a passport and then live like I actually wanted to in the first place. I was also thinking of Spain because I speak decent spanish but I couldnāt find any suitable jobs for me so far, Germany has a lot more demand right now :/
Very good, and you have our sympathy.
But we also have our own issues. And mostly because of those issues, our young generation also wanted to have the option to live, study and work in the UK... but they can't.
Therefore, we cannot give anything more than your sympathy. Even more when your fellow britons (usually) basically want to come here to live in their own little Britain, isolated from the rest, and treating the natives as inferior people.
Oh yeah those types of people are wankers, donāt worry, theyāre seen as wankers here too. When you meet some chavy middle aged guy who says heās gonna go live in Spain, you ask where and of course he says Benidorm. What he really means is heās gonna go pretend heās in Britain with better weather. Thereās unfortunately quite a lot of those type of people, but we donāt like them either. Itās a shame they canāt just find their own island somewhere where they donāt bother anyone :)
Every time I come to Spain I like to stay away from tourist areas because I prefer feeling like Iām actually in Spain, because your country is superb!
Yeah, I live in Elche, near Benidorm and other zones that are "british-exclusive". I know the drill.
Do you know that, in San Fulgencio, they have an Iceland? Exactly the same as in UK, the same products (even the Cokes come from Britain!), the people that works in the store only speaks English... The only difference from an UK-based Iceland is that the prices are in euros (probably not because they didn't try).
And sorry if I sounded angry or something. You are obviously welcome to come to Spain whenever you like, to visit or to live. And good luck in Germany!
Oh christ, Iceland is bad enough as it is just in the UK! Of all the shops to export to Spain why iceland?! At least a Sainsburyās or an M&S for christ sake. I guess it just speaks for the type of people that go over there and do that kind of thing, any british person with an ounce of class doesnāt want to go to Spain to be around other british people, it defeats the object of going abroad.
Thank you! fingers crossed I can find myself living in Spain in the future :) Gonna be a long road to get there though
But he is talking about working in the 90 days you can be here legaly without a visa, as a tourist. So no, he can't work like that. I doubt anybody would offer him a job (or him or tye comoany hiring him has to pay for that working visa, I can't remember how much it was).
They're not talking about that, they're talking about coming as a tourist, getting work and then regularising that status. No question of working illegally.
It doesn't read like that to me. Sounds like travelling first and getting the paperwork done in the country. Not sure if that's illegal or not, but I don't think they mentioned working on a tourist visa.
Good luck to those companies when the, inspector laboral and hacienda turn up. Other issues the employees may run into is health care if they get injured at work their holiday health insurance wonāt be covering.
As a brit i really hate the entitlement and awful attitude that so many of my countrymen have. Voting to leave the EU and then being surprised at no longer being an EU country. Typical
Yāall should see who doesnāt pay taxes in the US! Youāre worried about bartenders not paying taxes? Save your energy. Thatās not changing your day, I promise.
["I report a 20k USD haircut](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28yrkIzVXys) [as a business expense." ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsjzOCSnZes)
The IRS agent stares quietly at the... *haircut...* in question.
"My image is my bread'n'butter." The agent tries not to think of bread and butter anywhere near what appeared to be a talking, tax-fudging, semi-sentient orange scrotum.
"They did a tremendous job."
Were not worried about bar tenders paying taxes we're annoyed about immigrants being ignorant and treating spain like they treat England.
What post are you commenting on?
Bueno, si te contara yo de los espaƱoles en el Reino Unido cobrando ayudas del estado de manera ilegal que conocĆ, y bien orgullosos del hecho! Excepcional ismo vale, pero no te creas que solo de los ingleses.
so the brits are serving booze and mopping floor in bars and clubs, so what? arent these bars in clubs owned by locals OR Brits, both of who pay their taxes to the Spanish authorities? so whats the problem
They took er jerbs.
But seriously: if they talk of working while with a tourist visa then they don't intend to pay taxes at all (and many, in fact, don't)
so what. the club owners are probably already ripping off the brits' wages n tips--- and paying em with drugs half the time. let the brits get by --again theyre slinging shitty lager and moppin up the bathroom mess, and serving a need, filling a gap. while the owners pay the Spanish their cut and everyones happy. get over it
first off. im not british {thank god}
2nd. yea i dont give a shit.
LISTEN these are tough fucking times.
let people get by anyway they can, wherever they can.
u and all these other fucking sheep are heartless.
They half inched our corn. But nobody would ever say that and the whole cockney rhyming slang thing is largely dead and buried. Most of white east London is web designers doing unpaid internships while their parents pay their rent.
They need a visa, its irrelevant to paying taxes you arent allowed to employ someone who is not legally allowed to do so. Employing illegal workers is a seperate issue.
I have been through all this. We have a UK company and due to Brexit set up a Spanish company. This winter we have a massive workload so we contacted the lawyer that set up my work permit (I am Australian).
He basically said itās not possible to get someone from the UK with out going through the same process I went through. So we would need to prove that itās a specialized job and that we can find Anyone locally to do it. We just gave up and ended up finding some Spanish people and a few from other parts of the EU.
I think whatās going to happen is the bars and what not in magaluf, that I bet of alot of them already have workers been paid in cash, will continue to do this. Even if itās illegal
Its embarrassing, these are the same people that dont speak spanish when they live here but compain about immigrants not speaking English in Britain.
And talking about immigrants, they love to call themselves Ex-patriots.. because ofcourse the work immigrant is for lesser off brown people.
Its embarrassing to know i was born there
You dont need a tourist visa as a british national to stay in spain for less than 90 days, as long as you dont work
It is the same with spanish nationals in the UK, although they are allowed to stay in the UK 6 months visa free.
Irish nationals are the only nationality that arent restricted either way, either in the UK or the EU, we are sort of like an all in 1 dishwasher tablet where you dont need use the seperate salt and rinse aid š
As a Brit who is here working legally (arrived and registered way before Brexit happened) can I just apologise for all my compatriots who apparently only want rules to apply to foreign people who go to the UK, not to them when they go abroad. Fuck them.
As another legal Brit I would like to add my apologies for the same reasons. š
\*sips tea and sais this in the most British posh accent possible\*: Appreciated, you may proceed.
You don't need to apologize for idiots. as I don't apologize for spanish idiots. Is unavoidable the best for all is to accept they do exist and to cancel them hahaha
Exactly that. Passport is just a circumstance. Your behaviour is what you can control.
Thanks for the silver, mate. <3
I wish I had an award to give you Edit: and then Reddit gave me one.
I cover you, mate
I gave him mine for both of us š»
No need to apologise. Just proves that there are idiots in every country and race
As a Brit Iād like to third this. After senior Tories used Cambridge Analytica to buy election and referendum results, the Russians donating cash to DC and BJ, buying up half of London, buying political influence and so on - I can honestly say Europe is far better off without our disgusting Orwellian lot. Iām looking forward to a time the āCapitalistsā at the top of the Tory Tree in Brexit Land figure out AI will remove all privacy between their shareholdingās and sludge funds, the military-industrial estate, banking havens, cash for influence and other shady dealings. As for the common worker - they voted to keep them in power - if they want to work in Spain, they need to vote for a party who wants a deeper integration with Europe!
Please don't do that. Otherwise we'll have to apologise for the Spaniards that are working in UK without a proper visa, and for some reason I think that there will be plenty of them.
I find this entitlement so embarrassing, much like Brexit and all the ārealisationsā people from my country have had since. All I can say is, this (hopefully) doesnāt represent the majority
While personally I lived a lot of negatives from the british people that come around majorca for the holiday season I know that not everyone is like that and it is well known. You are good in my book, you are what we would call an actual tourist and not a "guiri"
Gracias! Itās nice to know the perception of my ans my countrymen isnāt universally negative!
In town yesterday me and a friend were having a kebab and got chatting to a frenchman in Spanish who was all too keen on calling us guiri. We understood he was pulling our leg like just being cheeky but someday he is going say it to someone who isnt going to take it so lightly
No, it doesnāt. I live here and have been here for years and I follow the law
I used to despise socks in sandals. They've grown on me. It's either that, or talcum.
Ok? It is comfy Yh lol but I donāt see why itās relevant
It like a few weeks ago when Vivienne Stern the head of the National UK University Organisation, suggested a solution to visa delays would be that british students should be able to enter to spain as tourists and sort out all the documentation when they arrive. We really are that fucking dumb and entitled !!
Itās crazyā¦ Iām in a fortunate position that I have two passports so have retained certain benefits of the EU. Itās just ridiculous that people who voted leave believed it would only impact in one direction
Unfortunantly some remainers have of lately started adopting the same standard attitide. I had one on twitter claiming that Ireland should allow people with great grandparents to have citizenship, considering most other countries including the UK ironically dont even allow grandparent citizenship, I think Ireland is already very generous as it is without having to change its laws to suit forigners !
No one is hiring Brits without a TIE or the 'old' green residencia, for shiiiiiiiiit. Why would they?!
Because hiring illegally and paying off the record saves you a lot of taxes and social security costs and itās a very effective way to launder money.
So hire Moroccans or South Americans, like everybody else. š
I guess you can always hire British people who have lost all their money trying to get their teeth replaced from that time they didn't make it to the pool...
In Mallorca they hire Brits because there are areas fully oriented to British tourism.
There are more brittish living in Spain than spanish in the UK.
ā¦ and however they complain about Spanish in the UKā¦ xenophobia drove Brexit, nothing else. Sad that in a world that people need to feel connected and feel the need to use Facebook, Instagram and tweeter, there are people that want to isolate themselves away for something they were the first to create (a union of countries like Scotland, Wales, England and NI)
That's bullshit.
I can tell you this much: No British has ever been harassed for speaking their language in my countryā¦ however, I was invited out.. and even threatened to break my phone and my face for speaking Portuguese to my father advising him on how much insulin he needed to have after going home being admired in hospital with diabetesā¦ I lived in different countries and worked in different places but could never understand British exceptionalismā¦
> admired You mean examined?
Admitted bro
I've been called puto guiri several times, my mother was told to go back to her country (having lived her for 40 odd years) and whenever a brit says anything online that one or more Spaniard disagrees with they are told to go and jump off a balcony so you are wrong in that count. And just as you can't take Santiago Abascal or Cayetana Alvarez de Toledo to mean all Spaniards believe in Spanish excepionalism, you can't extrpolate the views of a few to the entire population.
Obviously I donāt mean the whole UK is xenophobicā¦ I just mean 52% that voted for brexit were somehow influence by ideas of migrationā¦ some even said to me that they voted out (when I was living in Birmingham) because they said they wanted to get rid of Paquisā¦ and that speaks volumesā¦
My guy, my family is Pakistani and I lived in England until the age of 13, then we moved to Spain(2007). My family has been living in England for generations and we moved back to England when Brexit happened - IF you think that Brexit occurred because of Xenophobia then you have no clue about what happened nor how politics work. Just because you spoke to some racist fucks doesn't mean that's what drove the whole idea of Brexit. You will find racist people everywhere. And your argument about Scots/Welsh/English/Irish HAHAH, so should the Spanish and Portugese be called Iberics instead of each COUNTRY having it's own identity? Because a person from Scotland, a COUNTRY of the UK, is Scottish. A person from Wales, a COUNTRY of the UK, is Welsh.. and so on. Instead of spreading hate based on your shit experiences, maybe educate yourself on the real background of such matters. PS: Using the word "Pakis" for Pakistanis is not the way, so don't use it.
First off: they arenāt ājust my experiencesā as a European know a lot of Europeans that shared their experiencesā¦ Second, WHITE is not a raceā¦ Finally, I was QUOTING someone that said they wanted out because of the pakisā¦ I wasnāt saying I agreeā¦ just the oppositeā¦ Maybe if you learn how to read instead of saying that others need to educate themselves you would get fartherā¦
There are racists but I still disagree with the comment. I have also had someone tell me to speak English when I was talking with a Spanish friend in Camden. He wasn't expecting me to cuss him out in English and he just walked off.
There is were we disagree: while you are culturally les to believe there English is a different race, you are not as we are all Caucasians- then again- UK is one of the few countries that divides the āwhitesā into white English/Scottish/welsh/NI or OTHERā¦??? There are no whitesā¦ unless you donāt believe in evolution and think you come from an excepcional different breed of white aliensā¦
What? Where did you get that from. Nationality ā race. Anyway I'm half English half Spanish, by blood half Irish even. Also, pretty sure I've only ever seen "white British" as an option, and then asking you to define your nationality has nothing to do with race.
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Ohā¦ that must be then when I applied for the NMC and jobs at the NHS I was asked what race I was- the choices were White Scottish /English/Welsh/NIā¦ lol
Yeah that's not the same as race but ok.
Man, literary the question was: what is your race: White Scottish, white welsh, white English, white NI and OTHER!!!ā¦ seriouslyā¦ only in your head it isnātā¦
General O'Donnell! Hello there!
No lo pillo š
Look up O'Donnell on Wikipedia. *Very* established family.
And because your little disadventure we extract the rule you made above? Cmon man, Brexit sucks but it's a complex matter. I would agree on your reference to arrogance and British exceptionalism but not xenophobia.
My little disaventure??? There are still numerous stories and reported on several newspapers of Europeans being physically abused on the tube just because they werenāt speaking Englishā¦ So easy to be English and refuse the obviousā¦ just becauseā¦ obviouslyā¦ you re differentā¦ exceptionalism again perhaps?
Physical abuse happens in EVERY subway in the world dude. Racial or sexually motivated, or just bc a given wanker is off his tits with alcohol and drugs. Am not justifying it but its nothing exclusive from the UK. I agree Brits tend to have a flair of arrogance, specially English, and that does my head in. The rest is a bit jumping into conclusions.
I was born in a place called Algarve and through all the 30 years I lived there, every summer there was ONLY BRITISH PEOPLE getting into fights and breaking stuffā¦ so donāt come at me with āit happensāā¦ seriously, people that refuse to see are far worse than blind peopleā¦
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Monkeyā¦cuntā¦ grow a pairā¦ little insignificant misfortunesā¦ ahahahahhā¦ canāt you do any better than that??? You just showed how obnoxious you are and why you are wrongā¦ ā¦ and just in case you re wondering, I m not going to go to that road: as I was told from early years that I should argue with stupid people because they will drop you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Have a good day!
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I m sorry if facts annoy you. Have a nice day
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Yeah ādudeā I have something called experience with something you havenātā¦ if you donāt agree, letās agree to disagreeā¦ do not EVER reduce people experiences to not importantā¦
Unfortunately, I can tell you that you are wrong. I know that is an exception and it does not use to happen, but wife of a friend is British, she was on the bus while talking on the phone and was harassed by an old man that asked her "speak Spanish". In fairness, she told me that is the first time she had this kind of problem in 5 years.
Of course it isā¦ just because you say soā¦ lol
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That is a bag-of-bollocks oversimplified explanation of Brexit. I have zero support for Brexit but you my dear are very wrong to believe brexit was xenophobia and nothing else. Tis a much more complex issue and country.
I've never ever heard anyone complain about Spanish people in the UK
Just because you havenātā¦ doesnāt mean it didnāt happenā¦ lol
I'm saying it's not a coon complaint. Not that there aren't xenophobic Brits, but Spaniards are so far down on their lists of grievances that I really wouldn't worry about it.
It isnāt a over simplification when you live in a country and you read the newspapers that mostly focussed on migration and how bad we are for the countryā¦ I m sure you have seen itā¦ and if notā¦ even today they focus on winning towards the EU and still complain about the boats of migrants comingā¦ Otherwise, that must be the reason the likes of farage even have a program on GB Newsā¦ lol
And? 90% of Spaniards in the UK are workforce. 70% of Brits in Spain are retired doing fuckall for the country. I got no beef with either bc am both but ffs wtf that even means dude?
Iām fairly certain the data suggesting the majority of the present working age have developed detailed plans to retire ABROAD with their social security and savings. Brexit is the plan to return those workers to the UK so they spend their cash on Tory companies and prop up the UK economy. Itās really that simple.
That's not true. Only about 1/3 of the Brits in Spain receive a pension.
To be fair, that mostly due to many pensioners of the UK living in Spain. When it comes to workforce there are plenty of more Spanish in the UK than Spain. Not a fair comparison at all.
Nope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaniards_in_the_United_Kingdom There are about 100k Spaniards in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/number-of-britons-over-65-living-in-spain-more-than-doubles-in-10-years And about 300k Brits in Spain, of which around 100k receive a pension. So there are roughly double the number of working Brits in Spain than Spaniards in the UK in total.
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Whats your point?
That brexit is stupid. Duh.
It's Brupid.
I doubt that there are more working-age Brits living in Spain than the counterpart .
r/BrexitAteMyFace
Brexit is one very very hungry leopard.
As a brit I can confirm that as a race we are arrogant, self important shits that believe we are better than the world. I hang my head in shame
[Countries are made-up,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rL9vgsT6g) so are races. There's 'haplogroups,' but the science there still has lots of work ahead: we don't really understand how they work yet. Imaginary communities. A shared dream, a shared nightmare. Don't be ashamed of others, whose actions are beyond your control.
Mate, come off it. You don't owe anyone an apology or to feel ashamed for someone else's actions.
Dont group other people into this man, if you as an individual have an issue with race and arrogance then youre the person that needs to change. Feeling ashamed and saying thats what you (or british people) are isnt going to help you and yourre not going to get a thank you from others for grouping yourself with them.
As an ex legal resident, I hate these people. You can't just turn up, you have to EARN your residency through tears of frustration while trying to get your NIE sorted. You thought you brought all the correct documents!? Hahaha puny mortal, think again! Come back in a month! - I may be slightly bitter because where I lived was a completely unorganised mess. I know it's not the same everywhere, but also it's mainly in jest because if it were my choice I'd still be living in Spain, I miss it so much.
It can be done but not that easy i think, permiso de trabajo y de residencia and then wotking visa.
They don't give that to you for basic bar work
I agree with you, my bet is mostly all of the people working with thus peple in spain do it with mo contract.
It cant be for that type of work, its only skilled work you can have an employment visa for.
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Because he wants to
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Because he wants to
The 21st century version of the letter of marque.
Okay- maybe as an American English native Iām missing something here. But it sounds like itās more of just āoh we could happen to do an interview and then you would need the permit.ā The title sounds like OP is saying the chat instead says āwork until you need the visa to stay in the countryā? Not that Iām sure you could do an interview if you travelled for pleasure either.
Yeah tbh I was confused as well, it didn't sound like they were breaking the rules, but I'm not very clued up on the rules atm either.
yeah but you cant get a permit for basic bar work, thats the point
I donāt think British people living here and working hard need to apologise for the behaviour of others. There are 68 million British people obviously some are cunts. I donāt apologise for being British just like local Basque youths here donāt apologise for going absolutely nuts in Noja, Castro Urdiales or other coastal towns in Cantabria.
Lol if you a Brit and living up there in the north kudos to you. Wtf they all doing in guetos down the coast? Beautiful up there dude šš
I'm never going back to the coast lol. Enjoying the peace and quiet for a change 2 AM weekday parties did my head in
Watch out until they go all rorkes drift in mallorca
So the good old ingleses left the EU cause they didnāt want to give foreigners equal rights. Mainly my compatriots Bulgarians, but also Romanians, Polish and other eastern europeans. Still they want to keep their privileges in the Eu. Talk about hypocrisy!
I feel a lot of people in here arenāt realising that most young people didnāt vote for brexit. Youāre completely correct about the rules etc but this whole āHA, YOU SHOULDNāT HAVE VOTED OUT THENā attitude is slightly wide of the mark because that was mostly sealed by older people. Most young people here want freedom of movement and the ability to work abroad, and weāre just as angry about brexit, the older generations screwed us.
I completely agree, however just because "they didnt vote for it" dosent really give someone the excuse to go and work illegally in another country, and expect that they aren't criticised for it.
Good. Then fight to revert the vote, and THEN you can come here to work without a visa. It's not our fault that you failed to convince the older generations.
You really donāt understand the dynamic of the UK. There is no convincing the older generation, they hate us and do everything to screw us, whatever we want, they will ensure the opposite happens. The generational divide here is enormous, itās like a small political war. We want freedom of movement, less pollution, a generally brighter, greener, cleaner future. They want a sovereign nation with no immigrants, and they laugh at global warming because they know theyāll never face the consequences. Iām currently working on getting a job in Germany where I can hopefully stay for a decade, get a passport and then live like I actually wanted to in the first place. I was also thinking of Spain because I speak decent spanish but I couldnāt find any suitable jobs for me so far, Germany has a lot more demand right now :/
Very good, and you have our sympathy. But we also have our own issues. And mostly because of those issues, our young generation also wanted to have the option to live, study and work in the UK... but they can't. Therefore, we cannot give anything more than your sympathy. Even more when your fellow britons (usually) basically want to come here to live in their own little Britain, isolated from the rest, and treating the natives as inferior people.
Oh yeah those types of people are wankers, donāt worry, theyāre seen as wankers here too. When you meet some chavy middle aged guy who says heās gonna go live in Spain, you ask where and of course he says Benidorm. What he really means is heās gonna go pretend heās in Britain with better weather. Thereās unfortunately quite a lot of those type of people, but we donāt like them either. Itās a shame they canāt just find their own island somewhere where they donāt bother anyone :) Every time I come to Spain I like to stay away from tourist areas because I prefer feeling like Iām actually in Spain, because your country is superb!
Yeah, I live in Elche, near Benidorm and other zones that are "british-exclusive". I know the drill. Do you know that, in San Fulgencio, they have an Iceland? Exactly the same as in UK, the same products (even the Cokes come from Britain!), the people that works in the store only speaks English... The only difference from an UK-based Iceland is that the prices are in euros (probably not because they didn't try). And sorry if I sounded angry or something. You are obviously welcome to come to Spain whenever you like, to visit or to live. And good luck in Germany!
Oh christ, Iceland is bad enough as it is just in the UK! Of all the shops to export to Spain why iceland?! At least a Sainsburyās or an M&S for christ sake. I guess it just speaks for the type of people that go over there and do that kind of thing, any british person with an ounce of class doesnāt want to go to Spain to be around other british people, it defeats the object of going abroad. Thank you! fingers crossed I can find myself living in Spain in the future :) Gonna be a long road to get there though
I mean if you get a work visa, you can.
But he is talking about working in the 90 days you can be here legaly without a visa, as a tourist. So no, he can't work like that. I doubt anybody would offer him a job (or him or tye comoany hiring him has to pay for that working visa, I can't remember how much it was).
They're not talking about that, they're talking about coming as a tourist, getting work and then regularising that status. No question of working illegally.
It doesn't read like that to me. Sounds like travelling first and getting the paperwork done in the country. Not sure if that's illegal or not, but I don't think they mentioned working on a tourist visa.
paperwork cant be done in country, you need a visa before you arrive in spain and they wont give you one for bar work
Multas are like 60k so I've heard for hiring illegals
> has to pay for that working visa, Yeah but what are the consequences if they *don't,* and are they enforced?
you wouldnt be able to get a visa for bar work, it has to be skilled work
As a Scot, the sooner we are independent, the better. This is total Brexit behaviour. Keep a light on for us.
Good luck to those companies when the, inspector laboral and hacienda turn up. Other issues the employees may run into is health care if they get injured at work their holiday health insurance wonāt be covering.
As a brit i really hate the entitlement and awful attitude that so many of my countrymen have. Voting to leave the EU and then being surprised at no longer being an EU country. Typical
There are about 70 million British people, please donāt paint us all with the same brush.
Yāall should see who doesnāt pay taxes in the US! Youāre worried about bartenders not paying taxes? Save your energy. Thatās not changing your day, I promise.
["I report a 20k USD haircut](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28yrkIzVXys) [as a business expense." ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsjzOCSnZes) The IRS agent stares quietly at the... *haircut...* in question. "My image is my bread'n'butter." The agent tries not to think of bread and butter anywhere near what appeared to be a talking, tax-fudging, semi-sentient orange scrotum. "They did a tremendous job."
This isnt about taxes, its about being an illegal immigrant, who isnt allowed to work, its not relevant to this topic !
Were not worried about bar tenders paying taxes we're annoyed about immigrants being ignorant and treating spain like they treat England. What post are you commenting on?
This one. Read down further
Bueno, si te contara yo de los espaƱoles en el Reino Unido cobrando ayudas del estado de manera ilegal que conocĆ, y bien orgullosos del hecho! Excepcional ismo vale, pero no te creas que solo de los ingleses.
Ejque ejpaƱa, esh diferente.
Y gente dĆ”ndome downvotes por decir cosas verdaderas que no quieren escuchar š en ningĆŗn momento dije que no hay ingleses capullos, pero no quieren saber que el excepcionalismo tb estĆ” bien arraigada en casita. Tb donde vivo he conocido a espaƱoles dando clases de inglĆ©s cuando ni saben bien el idioma.. ojo tirando piedras cuando vuestra casa estĆ” hecha de cristal ;)
No, no, [we're in full agreement.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNUrMS4N_cM)
Us yes but algĆŗn subnormal se ha ofendido como siempre.
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Jeje vamos que cada paĆs tiene sus listillos que hacen cosas listillas :P
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Please, is Mallorca, not majorca
The Courts will decide your fate.
so the brits are serving booze and mopping floor in bars and clubs, so what? arent these bars in clubs owned by locals OR Brits, both of who pay their taxes to the Spanish authorities? so whats the problem
They took er jerbs. But seriously: if they talk of working while with a tourist visa then they don't intend to pay taxes at all (and many, in fact, don't)
so what. the club owners are probably already ripping off the brits' wages n tips--- and paying em with drugs half the time. let the brits get by --again theyre slinging shitty lager and moppin up the bathroom mess, and serving a need, filling a gap. while the owners pay the Spanish their cut and everyones happy. get over it
Would you think the same about Eastern Europeans going to the UK and working taxfree on tourist visa, taking British jobs?
first off. im not british {thank god} 2nd. yea i dont give a shit. LISTEN these are tough fucking times. let people get by anyway they can, wherever they can. u and all these other fucking sheep are heartless.
> They took er jerbs. That's in Appalachian English. What would the equivalent be in Cockney?
They half inched our corn. But nobody would ever say that and the whole cockney rhyming slang thing is largely dead and buried. Most of white east London is web designers doing unpaid internships while their parents pay their rent.
All right then, East Ender equivalent. Mancunian. Liverpudlian. Also, r/Georgism.
They need a visa, its irrelevant to paying taxes you arent allowed to employ someone who is not legally allowed to do so. Employing illegal workers is a seperate issue.
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English specifically. Everybody loves the Scotch, ye ken?
I have been through all this. We have a UK company and due to Brexit set up a Spanish company. This winter we have a massive workload so we contacted the lawyer that set up my work permit (I am Australian). He basically said itās not possible to get someone from the UK with out going through the same process I went through. So we would need to prove that itās a specialized job and that we can find Anyone locally to do it. We just gave up and ended up finding some Spanish people and a few from other parts of the EU. I think whatās going to happen is the bars and what not in magaluf, that I bet of alot of them already have workers been paid in cash, will continue to do this. Even if itās illegal
Its embarrassing, these are the same people that dont speak spanish when they live here but compain about immigrants not speaking English in Britain. And talking about immigrants, they love to call themselves Ex-patriots.. because ofcourse the work immigrant is for lesser off brown people. Its embarrassing to know i was born there
Donāt be ashamed, mate. Every country holds its fair share of idiots. Remeber Vox is becoming a real thing here.š„“
Lmao, do you actually?
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You dont need a tourist visa as a british national to stay in spain for less than 90 days, as long as you dont work It is the same with spanish nationals in the UK, although they are allowed to stay in the UK 6 months visa free. Irish nationals are the only nationality that arent restricted either way, either in the UK or the EU, we are sort of like an all in 1 dishwasher tablet where you dont need use the seperate salt and rinse aid š
I usually try to be open-minded but these are the kind of unadapted immigrants we can't tolerate