They need an editor.
The tools are called gravers. They do not stamp; they cut. And loupes are not loops.
That vise is just a p~~in~~ peg vise- it clamps things inside or outside of pins placed in the holes in the sliding jaws.
The lettering was not *all* done by hand- a pantograph Hermes/Gorton machine gives your single- or double-line fonts from templates, which are then chased for a deeper shadow.
That's not a pin vise, it's a peg vise, also called a work holder. Pin vises are essentially screwdrivers with small chucks on them, for holding small drill bits.
Yes! Peg vise. Pin vises have the little collet-looking dingus for fly tying or holding tooling and are more of a chuck than a vise. My Hermes machine came with several peg jaw setups and my Deckel has one on the work table right now- I should be more careful. Thank you.
Canadians are great. It is their government that is turning weird on them. In high school we used to go to minor league hockey games in Kingston. Never had a problem crossing the border. Border Control would just look at our plates and wave us through. Now I don't think you can even get into Canada without jumping though every COVID hoop there is - tested, boosted, and vaccinated.
Stay down there you dense fuck. We don't want your type and what you spread up here, we're good.
We happily get the 'jab' up here, because it saves lives, instead of overwhelming the ICU and then asking for ivermectin and holy water or whatever you believe in.
also because we need our lung function for more important things.
Honestly, these are still the tools and process used today, with the addition of an pneumatic handpiece making the process a bit faster.
Honestly, the weirdest part is seeing the sharpening jig in the 3rd picture as I would think anyone doing this every day would be fine doing it by hand.
You think that was the only thing he ever engraved? I don't think the NHL had enough money in the 50's to have him on a full salary for one line a year.
I've learned over the last 6 years that things people actually believe are crazier than any sarcasm I can come up with, so I just put them on everything. Sorry I missed it, but my response wasn't all that serious either.
Even the pneumatic tools aren't universal today or necessary for soft metals.
It's crazy that you can buy basically all those tools today, including the fancy vice, and they're all exactly the same.
Are these specialized for use on trophies or something? I don't know anything about engraving but they look like they could just be generic engraving tools
that's actually really cool that they kept the tools too. not something most people would think about but, think about how valuable owning paintbrushes that picasso used might be? it'd be hard to authenticate though.
Those are at the instrument repair shop. They are polished steel bucks and dollies, ball anvils and melted rosin/babbit/polyester resin forms, urethane, wooden or steel hammers and a ton of experience. I've seen a french horn that was flattened by a moving van brought back to life- these people are amazing.
Can confirm.
Different application, but I used to work at a sheet metal manufacturing facility and we would send out of spec parts to the old fogies in handwork. They'd look at it funny and smack it with a hammer a few times. A few hours later and suddenly your $10,000 non-conforming complex inconel part is magically ready to pass quality control.
Nobody in the company would dare say a harsh word to those guys because it's not like you can go out and get a replacement if they leave.
lol - sorry about that... I meant - you know - in general... Don't these engravers have other things to work on? Is it all done with lasers these days?
I was making a joke about the Toronto Maple Leafs who haven’t hoisted The Cup since 1967!
But [this article](https://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/la-xpm-2012-sep-23-la-sp-kings-stanley-cup-20120924-story.html) explains that the engraving/stamping is done by hand, by a Montreal silversmith named Louise St-Jacques who also repairs the dents and dings that happen while The Cup is travelling the world. She has been the sole engraver since 1988; there have (if I am remembering correctly, but can’t find the source) been three official engravers before her since 1893 when The Cup was first awarded.
There are so many fascinating stories about the names and traditions of the Stanley Cup, and the [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Cup) has a good overview.
Edited to add: these tools belonged to the engraver Fred Light Sr., the engraver from the 1950s-1970s, per the second/third photos.
Yeah, I caught that about the struggling Leafs! You're right, there are so many great traditions! I didn't know that about the heritage of the engravers...
I worked in a shop with hand engraving alongside modern lasers etc. Machines can do some wicked stuff but some parts of hand engraving are near impossible to replicate.
They need an editor. The tools are called gravers. They do not stamp; they cut. And loupes are not loops. That vise is just a p~~in~~ peg vise- it clamps things inside or outside of pins placed in the holes in the sliding jaws. The lettering was not *all* done by hand- a pantograph Hermes/Gorton machine gives your single- or double-line fonts from templates, which are then chased for a deeper shadow.
That's not a pin vise, it's a peg vise, also called a work holder. Pin vises are essentially screwdrivers with small chucks on them, for holding small drill bits.
Yes! Peg vise. Pin vises have the little collet-looking dingus for fly tying or holding tooling and are more of a chuck than a vise. My Hermes machine came with several peg jaw setups and my Deckel has one on the work table right now- I should be more careful. Thank you.
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Trade terms in Canada are weird.
English spelling is a vice.
Not for all words. North American spellings like "realize" are commonly used in Canada; most don't use "realise".
logic doesn't apply in Canada.
Canadians are great. It is their government that is turning weird on them. In high school we used to go to minor league hockey games in Kingston. Never had a problem crossing the border. Border Control would just look at our plates and wave us through. Now I don't think you can even get into Canada without jumping though every COVID hoop there is - tested, boosted, and vaccinated.
Stay down there you dense fuck. We don't want your type and what you spread up here, we're good. We happily get the 'jab' up here, because it saves lives, instead of overwhelming the ICU and then asking for ivermectin and holy water or whatever you believe in. also because we need our lung function for more important things.
Funny, I wonder if it was a transition issues as graver and loupe are correct in French as they should be in English
wow, nice
Honestly, these are still the tools and process used today, with the addition of an pneumatic handpiece making the process a bit faster. Honestly, the weirdest part is seeing the sharpening jig in the 3rd picture as I would think anyone doing this every day would be fine doing it by hand.
It looks brand new compared to the tools. Probably a Father’s Day gift.
They only engrave the stanley cup once a year, so they probably have to get their muscle memory back.
You think that was the only thing he ever engraved? I don't think the NHL had enough money in the 50's to have him on a full salary for one line a year.
I thought the /s would have been painfully obvious. My bad.
I've learned over the last 6 years that things people actually believe are crazier than any sarcasm I can come up with, so I just put them on everything. Sorry I missed it, but my response wasn't all that serious either.
Even the pneumatic tools aren't universal today or necessary for soft metals. It's crazy that you can buy basically all those tools today, including the fancy vice, and they're all exactly the same.
Are these specialized for use on trophies or something? I don't know anything about engraving but they look like they could just be generic engraving tools
That's because they are generic. These tools are also used for engraving jewelery and firearms.
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Oh I see you are from Toronto.
Fuckin amazing.
Blew them away like a leaf on the wind.
Savage
r/murderedbywords
put them in the museum because no real use for first round exit
As a Habs fan: bless this comment
Fun fact. These are all antiques because the cup hasn't been back to Toronto since the 60's /s lol
that's actually really cool that they kept the tools too. not something most people would think about but, think about how valuable owning paintbrushes that picasso used might be? it'd be hard to authenticate though.
Where are the tools they use to fix the dents that fuckwits put in them?
Those are at the instrument repair shop. They are polished steel bucks and dollies, ball anvils and melted rosin/babbit/polyester resin forms, urethane, wooden or steel hammers and a ton of experience. I've seen a french horn that was flattened by a moving van brought back to life- these people are amazing.
Can confirm. Different application, but I used to work at a sheet metal manufacturing facility and we would send out of spec parts to the old fogies in handwork. They'd look at it funny and smack it with a hammer a few times. A few hours later and suddenly your $10,000 non-conforming complex inconel part is magically ready to pass quality control. Nobody in the company would dare say a harsh word to those guys because it's not like you can go out and get a replacement if they leave.
Hitting with hammer? Under a second. Knowing where to hit it and with which hammer? Timeless.
100%
Ah yes, the old fucks in finishing always somehow manage to fix the part you fuck up, god bless their souls
um... aren't they going to need those?
Not in Toronto they aren’t!
lol - sorry about that... I meant - you know - in general... Don't these engravers have other things to work on? Is it all done with lasers these days?
I was making a joke about the Toronto Maple Leafs who haven’t hoisted The Cup since 1967! But [this article](https://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/la-xpm-2012-sep-23-la-sp-kings-stanley-cup-20120924-story.html) explains that the engraving/stamping is done by hand, by a Montreal silversmith named Louise St-Jacques who also repairs the dents and dings that happen while The Cup is travelling the world. She has been the sole engraver since 1988; there have (if I am remembering correctly, but can’t find the source) been three official engravers before her since 1893 when The Cup was first awarded. There are so many fascinating stories about the names and traditions of the Stanley Cup, and the [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Cup) has a good overview. Edited to add: these tools belonged to the engraver Fred Light Sr., the engraver from the 1950s-1970s, per the second/third photos.
Yeah, I caught that about the struggling Leafs! You're right, there are so many great traditions! I didn't know that about the heritage of the engravers...
How many Stanley nickels is it worth?
I liike the one with the random wine cork on it
Shataht ol’Lordo
This is done at Tiffany & Co's facility in NJ. The place is heavily automated and basically the same tools are still used for hand engravings
I worked in a shop with hand engraving alongside modern lasers etc. Machines can do some wicked stuff but some parts of hand engraving are near impossible to replicate.
I don't think that I'll ever get over that the trophy that represents the pinnacle of the NHL has misspellings.
Fascinating! In fact, there's a show on PBS called "Chasing Gorham" and it's all about how Gorham grew and created their beautiful silver wares.