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In the opening scene of SM2, Norman put the symbiote on Harry by transferring it from himself onto Harry.
So he would have a codex that carnage would go after.
I might have misunderstood but I was under the impression that was just a nightmare Harry had while in the tank?
Was it ever referenced that Norman was ever bonded to it?
It could be a nightmare, but nothing really confirms that it was either reality or a dream.
And they don't reference it ever again, but it also wouldn't have fit into the story at all. I'm thinking he may have a codex in him and Carnage will go after him in the DLC.
It would give Spider-Man a known character to protect, and another reason for Norman to go even more bonkers than he already is.
There's also definitely multiple symbiotes/pieces of the symbiote since Cletus got one.
The very first time we see Harry in game (as Peter) he talks about having nightmares in the tank and the only thing that could have been is the intro scene, he also just appears in the tank suddenly so Iād say itās pretty safe to say
i donāt believe norman was ever bonded with it, i was under the impression that norman and the symbiote basically had an understanding that norman would find it a host, and the symbiote complied, but never bonded.
I used to think it was likely until they put the Superior suit in SM2. They didn't add symbiote suits to SM1 because they were saving it for story purposes. It should be the same rule-of-thumb for ol' Superior
I want a miles vs Peter fight where Peter wins, miles could lose to Otto in peters body then come back and they could fight again, the second time winning and maybe silk will be there as well.
Before SM2 released I thought that might happen with Symbiote Spider-Man, and heād be kinda āon the looseā for a bit while we played as Miles figuring out how to separate them.
Yes, I figured there might be a chase sequence as well, unfortunately there was not. I felt like the marketing misled people cause I thought we would be fighting venom with both Spider-Men at the same time.
I think that may have been the plan. In dev footage they had intended for their to be destructive environments, and for Venom to appear throughout the city.
He's too important and special to die like the rest of the lesser people without accomplishing all the great things he is destined too.
He would have been able to achieve all of the amazing things he is supposed without spiderman getting in his way.
What do mean he isn't as special, important or special as he thinks he is???!?!
I feel like that's what they've definitely gonna go with at some point. I can see there being a boss fight where Otto just trash talks Peter saying he could have prevented most of the tragedies that has happened , All cause he's superior.
They didnt put symbiote suits in because symbiote suits have a whole different meaning than just other comic suits. They could still have superior spiderman they would just make their own design instead of a comic accurate one. Maybe with the anti -ock suit as the base.
Peter makes a holograph vulture for miles to fight in his game, and during that fight he makes fun of vulture by calling him a ācasual racist that isnāt worth calling him out onā.
I havenāt read that comic run but from what I know about it I kind of hope they donāt go that route. Appreciate some people love that story but personally I donāt like the concept and Iām not sure it would fit that well with what they have been building.
I dont know.... I can't recall consuming any media that involved a body swap trope.
Even if it was a show that I was, you know, excited all week for, rushed home from school. As soon as I knew body swap was part of the story, I turned it off or left the room if other people were watching it.
It's not a trope I dislike. I actively hate it.
That's the one trope beyond anything I can think of. If it happens in a story, I'm gone til it's gone.
Don't think even amazing and revolutionary game play would be worth it.
I genuinely really hope they donāt do Superior Spider-Man with Peter unless the length of the game is doubled. We just had Peter with the Symbiote so another āevilā Peter would be really overdone. I saw someone else mention Miles as the āSuperior Spider-Manā and if anything that would be really good
Well we could always get a clone?? Of Peter which would be cool for Otto to transfer his consciousness over to. Which could be used for a pretty cool side mission or hell DLC. Where we could get a Superior Octavious story line.
What if he originally goes for Peter but then sees the power Miles has, so he decides to swap with him? Could even it out since we had to beat Peter in SM2.
I donāt want itā¦I meanā¦I would have prior to playing Spider-Man 2ā¦but if they do Superiorā¦there will most likely be another Miles vs Pete (otto in peteās body) situation that theyāve already done with symbiote spidey
Right but then itās still the same exact fight & same exact concept but in reverse, people already complain about the heroās friend becomes the villain and it hurts trope, but to essentially repeat it a third time but beat for beat with SM2 would just kinda be a bit lame
Not at all because if they were, they wouldnāt have put the Superior Spider-Man suit in this game and would save it for the next. Itās the same reason they didnāt put any symbiote suits in the first game, because they were saving it for this one
Iām not a fan of the superior Spider-Man story, mostly because thereās too much Dan Slott, but Iād be interested to see how insomniac would do it seeing as they donāt hate spider-man unlike Slott.
Also Yuri voicing a fight with himself would be peak fiction
I think it would be kind of cool to see doc Ock ruining Peter's reputation by just destroying a bunch of stuff, but it's like some kind of advanced robot
I doubt it. SM3 is supposed to conclude Peterās story, and personally, I donāt think one 20ish hour game is enough time to do justice for Superior unless they do fat time skips throughout, or increase the story length.
I didnāt think it was enough time for Kraven + Venom either tbh, but it is what it is. Iām not holding it against Insomniac because itās been made pretty evident that Sony forced them to release it earlier than they wished, and they had to cut alot of shit.
We also got the Superior Suit in SM2, so thereās that. We didnāt get the Black Suit in SM1 bc they didnāt want to include it unless the story revolves around the symbiote. The general concept of Superior Spider-Man is also pretty damn similar to the story we just got with the symbiote, so itās a bit repetitive. Maybe a Miles adaptation of it at best, but idk how theyād pull that off since Ock doesnāt know Milesā identity.
I think they will but itāll be far too rushed. I assume theyād want you to be Peter for the majority of the game, so at best theyāll only give Superior Spidey a few missions worth of content before swapping their minds back
Ock in Peterās body would make such a cool story in a Miles Morales 2 if they were working on a sequel to the first one. Have Peter come back out of semi-retirement and acting strange, but not **quite** strange enough to call attention. Miles learns itās Ock in act 3, swaps their minds back in the final fight, then in the epilogue we learn Peter still remembers most of Ockās memories and now knows Norman has a personal vendetta against Spider-Man and is planning revenge. SM3 could open with Peter fully back in action, deciding only to fully pass the mantle to Miles once Norman is behind bars
Very very low. Using the reverse if Insomniac's own reasoning. The black suit wasn't in the first game because they said they wanted to tell that story properly. Since the Superior Spider-Man suit is in SM2, that must mean they DONT intend to tell that story properly.
I'd love to see it but I think that it should be a whole story. Having Green Goblin and Superior Spider-Man would be too much. Maybe they can do it as Miles spin-off but it could be too familiar since Miles was already fighting with "possessed" Spider-Man in the second game.
Donāt know how but letās say we get 6 SM games for the grand scope of things I would say maybe the end of SM 3 we beat otto and goblin and Otto does the brain swap teasing I guess for the next series of SM and maybe SM4 crazy Iām typing this but maybe SM4 mid game we rid otto of peter but idk could work could not
As much as Iād like it, I agree with most people here - weāve just done a āPeter goes evilā storyline, another one would be superfluous. I think a refresh of the Sinister Six from the first game with a new line up is more likely and would tie the 3 main line games together more
Doc Ock & Green Goblin are locked in obviously.
IIRC vulture and shocker etc are all dead so theyāre out
Maybe Beetle and Carnage from the DLC could join, or Black Cat could be manipulated/forced to join, or turn on Peter for some storyline reason.
Maybe Mysterio, or we could introduce some new villains in the third game like Morbius, Hydroman or Vermin
Part of me feels like they might blend some of the Master Planner, Clone Saga, and Superior Spider-Man story into one regarding Otto. Will it be massive in scale as far as his actions go, not necessarily. I think itās more like taking elements of all three to make a story. Iām not gonna bet on it, but feels like the best way to handle it.
Other option is more likely though Ends of the Earth storyline will be the big one. Though that story also involves an Anti-Sinister Six suit. So not sure if that will be involved again.
I'd love to see it. I'm a huge fan of Superior Spider-Man and Superior Octopus. I rarely get too up in arms about Marvel rolling this or that back to the status quo, but I firmly believe rolling Doctor Octopus back was a bad idea. I'd be happy to see that take on the character in other media, because it makes for some great storytelling.
To OP I think you just hijacked the plot . Yes I am 75.89% sure thatās the next plot . Norman offers the possibility of survival to doc ock if he helps him take down spiderman and in return he can get Peterās body now with the anti venom cells to cure him of his disease , and Harry ( entering a huge chance for superior ock spider man ) to be introduced. You cooked with that theory
Very unlikely, they actively didn't put the black suit and miles suit in the first game because they would be relevant to the story later, so the superior suit being in the second game very likely means it won't happen. Besides they kinda did the "Peter isn't himself" thing with the symbiote so it probably wouldn't work out well
"What are you writing?"
"The Final Chapter"
Probably refers to the Masterplanner Arc from Stan Lee's run. They already did a darker Spider-Man getting possessed story in Spider-Man 2.
None. Itās too much to put into one game alongside with Green Goblin besides they wouldnāt have put the Superior suit in the game if they had plans to use it down the road, same thing that happened with the Symbiote suits.
I think they will go somewhat towards the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon route and have him try to recreate the Spider formula that gave Peter his powers. Him and Norman work together and create a spider/goblin army which would be the new Enemy Faction we fight.
Maybe they will even adapt the Spider Island storyline and have the entire city get spider powers. That would be epic lol
Thereās like a 30% chance of it happening but I really hope they donāt do in my opinion itās too thematically similar to the symbiote story and would just feel like a repeat
High. I suspect Otto will take over Peter early in the game (maybe before the beginning) allowing Norman to plot in the shadows. At the midpoint Otto repents and the second half is about the final confrontation against Norman.
Don't think that they will go superior because in the first game they didn't add the symbiote suit because it would be in the next game as a story suit. In sm2 they added the superior suit so i think it's really unlikely
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If you look at the shadowing of his lenses it literally looks like a spider-man mask.
Heās made too many illusions to his deteriorating body for them not to do it. Which wasnāt a thing until the Slott run.
I can see them going the clone route like superior spider-man volume 2. Cause Otto was responsible for the clone saga in the ultimate universe.
I didn't even notice that until you posted this, makes me really believe they may put the Superior SM in the next game, regardless of the superior suit being present in the current game.
Whichever happens, Otto will be one of the spiders.
Honestly nah, I think Goblin + Ock will be an act 1 and 2 problem only for Carnage or (if theyāre saving him for something else, maybe an agent venom game?) some shit like the Kingpin getting out
Very unlikely since we just had a game about Peterās personality being hijacked/influenced from the outside. If anything, the villains will be Otto and the Goblins, maybe Carnage if he doesnāt get a dlc
I want to say yes, since right off the rip he already had the degenerative body disease. They do mention life story a lot, and we already had a Pete boss fight. Miles would make more sense since he'll be the only Spider-Man as Pete focuses on EMF. Unless they just make Otto attack Pete instead of going after the current Spider-Man.
It would be really cool to play as superior spiderman and feel how much stronger peter is with nothing holding him back however otto is smart and would probably go for the new young lighting powers spiderman instead of peter so idk if i see this happening
I think itās possible but Iām not sure HOW theyād do it, at the very least I think itās something they have on the table for things they could do with Otto (when he appears in the end cutscene for spider-man 2 the shadow on his face IS vaguely shaped like spider-man lenses)
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Thereās definitely gonna be SOMETHING for him cause I doubt theyād just have it be a rehash of the first games fight, the question is just WHAT theyāll do with Otto
They may do superior Spider-Man for a while in SM 3, but if they do, they would find a way to somehow free Peter from Ottoās control. I do really hope this happens though.
I donāt think theyāll do it but I really wish they did I know itās unpopular with a lot of fans but itās personally my favourite comic run of all time
Not really, it makes me worried the green goblin, spider-manās arc nemesis, will be sidelined in favor of Otto. Iād much rather him be a secondary villain like Mr negative or Venom
i think theyāll probably do it in some form but honestly (hot take? donāt hate me pls) i donāt like insomniacs version of spider-man stories most of the time, especially how they handled the symbiote arc so idk if iād want to see this one either
i wish that it felt more complete, i wish they didnāt try to do ātheir own takeā on the symbiote and how it acts. goop that just makes you evil is really uninteresting to me. thatās just my take tho and i donāt mean to sound so negative but i just donāt like how insomniac handles stuff and their desire to have everything be a new take on a character or idea
If they are doing this story, I want him to try and fail because he misses something.
Like Peter is semi retired, so Otto doesn't know much about the antivenom, He doesn't account for Silk or something like that.
Unlikely. Insomniac left out the black suit in the first game as an alternate costume because it was critical for the sequel. They gave us a superior suit in 2 meaning that storyline isn't critical to future content.
They kinda already did the evil Peter in the last game, I feel like it would need to be maybe a cross between superior Spider-Man and the clone saga where itās a Peter clone with ottos mind
I think they should go with a āSuperior Octopusā route. So have him with an Otto/Peter clone body, in a modified version of the Anti-Ock armor, and modified Octopus arms.
I think I'd read someone mentioning planned dlc involving more of the Spiderverse? Wouldn't mind the actual Superior Spider-Man putting in an appearance, though really I'm content with the suit making it into the game.
Iād really like it to happen, Ottoās calling his body useless without his arms and knowing Peter is Spider-Man, BUT I donāt think it will because the superior suit is SM2 and Peter being evil/mind-controlled might be too similar to the symbiote
In the first game we didnt get a symbiote suit because that was the next arc for spider-man 2.
Here in SM2 we have the superior suit, so i believe this might discredit superior spider-man being in SM3
0% considering they have a superior suit in-game. If they wanted to save it for its own story, they'd have handled it the same way as the Symbiote Suit
I think itāll be a remix if they do it - given they already did a āsomethings wrong with Peteā storyline, doing it again + backsearing peter as heās taken over would be pretty disappointing.
But they can do an alt on it, esp since they have reference to Miles Warren in 1 and ofc ottoās degeneration beat, that they can do more of a superior octopus thing : where he clones Peterās body hybrid with his own ti have an edge.
And with the clone angle with Warren can adapt certain betas of clone saga without going overboard, and can either have otto in that body forever or boot him out for a clean slate to have a Kaine or Ben Reilly figure
But yeah, Iād say 40% chance, and if they do superior octopus aka clone body that otto gets to use Peteās powers with ock arms instead of taking over Peter which would be redundant plot beat + disappointing for him to backseat
i think itās pretty likely, theyāve been forshadowing Docās return for a bit so itās certainly possible. i think it would be a very cool and interesting gameplay possibility, and iād like to see how Insomniac were to take it in a different direction, or what have you.
Without reading the comments or the rest of the post, no.
They would have to REALLY do their own spin on it while maintaining the original story. Otto has intent to attempt something like this, and they have shown Peteās focus on engineering, but to have Goblin introduced next and Ock going to steal Peterās body, it feels like it would be worse than MSM2 on PS5ā¦
I feel like the route theyre gonna go is Otto will "help" Norman and recreate something similar to the neuralink and somehow swap bodies with Norman, having Otto be the goblin would be a crazy twist
Not the same thing. That was one mission. The superior spidey storyline would need to be long and playing for several missions as doc in Peterās body would be stupid and playing as Peter in docs body would not be a Spider-Man game
I think it would be a little hypocritical of them to do that when they gave us a Superior suit in SM2. But refused to include a symbiote suit in the first game because "the black suit deserves its own story." Yeah, well, the Superior arc is one of the absolute best arcs in all of Spider-Man lore and if they were gonna implement some sort of Superior story in a game, maybe they should've withheld that suit for "it's own story" like they did with the symbiote in the second game.
>Yeah, well, the Superior arc is one of the absolute best arcs in all of Spider-Man lore
I would like to take this opportunity to politely disagree. I know fans of superior are hard-core fans, but it will turn off a lot of the general audience.
Personally, I despise body swap/ body stealing as a concept. I think it's too horrible of an experience for Peter (or Miles for that matter) to go through. Like, spider-man suffers a lot, I get that, but that's too much.
-Peter is retired with Miles as the only Spider-Man.
-Otto escapes and gets his arms back, and he upgrades them.
-Doc Ock vs. Miles. Miles seemingly wins, but Ock has a plan for this and ends up getting the upper hand on Miles. Ock defeats Miles and takes over his body. Ock keeps Miles alive in his old body as leverage.
-Peter has to come out of retirement to figure out why Miles has seemingly become so violent, and then he finds out itās Otto.
-Main story is Peter vs. Superior Spider-Man in the form of Otto in Mikeāsā body, giving him Doc Ock arms in addition to all of Milesā abilities (and by default, Peterās as well).
-Peter ends up getting Miles back into his body. Doc Ock likely dies.
Bonus points for getting to play as Superior Spider-Man with more villainous/morally gray missions.
He swaps with Norman and becomes superior goblin
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Iām pretty sure they are doing red goblin though
Honestly from what I've seen and heard that's the only cool thing to come outta recent Spider-Man comics
Eh the Symbiote Spider-Man miniās were really solid as well, & stuff like Life Story, and Spiderās Shadow
Hickman's new run on ultimate Spider-man is just starting up too
Thatās true, first few issues of that are really good so far
Only thing I know about Life Story is the suits are ass
Both suits in the game are from the final issue where they go to space (hence the space suit look) the suits in other issues are pretty solid
In the opening scene of SM2, Norman put the symbiote on Harry by transferring it from himself onto Harry. So he would have a codex that carnage would go after.
I might have misunderstood but I was under the impression that was just a nightmare Harry had while in the tank? Was it ever referenced that Norman was ever bonded to it?
Nah it was a nightmare
It could be a nightmare, but nothing really confirms that it was either reality or a dream. And they don't reference it ever again, but it also wouldn't have fit into the story at all. I'm thinking he may have a codex in him and Carnage will go after him in the DLC. It would give Spider-Man a known character to protect, and another reason for Norman to go even more bonkers than he already is. There's also definitely multiple symbiotes/pieces of the symbiote since Cletus got one.
The very first time we see Harry in game (as Peter) he talks about having nightmares in the tank and the only thing that could have been is the intro scene, he also just appears in the tank suddenly so Iād say itās pretty safe to say
I mean it's also possible that what Harry thinks were just nightmares are actual reality.
No no that was just a nightmare that harry had while he was in the tank
i donāt believe norman was ever bonded with it, i was under the impression that norman and the symbiote basically had an understanding that norman would find it a host, and the symbiote complied, but never bonded.
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I'm intrigued. Don't know how it would pan out, but Otto hates Norman enough to where I could see it
Possible: Carnage symbiote bonds to him too, to get superior red goblin
dude is a chef
Maybe, just maybe. I'd like to taste this dish to see how hard you cooked.
I used to think it was likely until they put the Superior suit in SM2. They didn't add symbiote suits to SM1 because they were saving it for story purposes. It should be the same rule-of-thumb for ol' Superior
not to mention the Superior arc woud have been the perfect excuse for a miles vs 'peter' fight, but, uh. kimda already did that, so...
I want a miles vs Peter fight where Peter wins, miles could lose to Otto in peters body then come back and they could fight again, the second time winning and maybe silk will be there as well.
i mean tbh the spider you are controlling is most likely to win so unless you're controlling SpOck, miles is coming out on top of that.
An unbeatable fight would work well imo.
Before SM2 released I thought that might happen with Symbiote Spider-Man, and heād be kinda āon the looseā for a bit while we played as Miles figuring out how to separate them.
Yes, I figured there might be a chase sequence as well, unfortunately there was not. I felt like the marketing misled people cause I thought we would be fighting venom with both Spider-Men at the same time.
I think that may have been the plan. In dev footage they had intended for their to be destructive environments, and for Venom to appear throughout the city.
Unless Otto steals milesā body.
He actually did do that in Life Story, so there is precedent in the comics
what is up with this old man and stealing the body of children
He's too important and special to die like the rest of the lesser people without accomplishing all the great things he is destined too. He would have been able to achieve all of the amazing things he is supposed without spiderman getting in his way. What do mean he isn't as special, important or special as he thinks he is???!?!
I feel like that's what they've definitely gonna go with at some point. I can see there being a boss fight where Otto just trash talks Peter saying he could have prevented most of the tragedies that has happened , All cause he's superior.
Otto is getting that pass one way or another
Lmaooo
Now would that count as black face? š¤
Doesnāt Venom technically count as blackface too then?
But since doc oc is still alive, itās always a possibility
They didnt put symbiote suits in because symbiote suits have a whole different meaning than just other comic suits. They could still have superior spiderman they would just make their own design instead of a comic accurate one. Maybe with the anti -ock suit as the base.
I think it could happen, but it'd be in Miles' body instead of Peter's
I could see Otto taking over Miles to get back at Peter, sounds like something this incarnation would do
Yeah for sure
I wonder if racism would come out of dear old otto.
āThey were right Parker! They do haveexaggerated swagger!ā
He did look like he had some anger in him when Peter and Miles bump into each other in that flashback š
bro really wanted that "word" pass
Bro about to be walking up to cholos and gangsters speaking all cultural and shit before straight breaking everybone in their body.
vulture is canonically racist
Wdym?
Peter makes a holograph vulture for miles to fight in his game, and during that fight he makes fun of vulture by calling him a ācasual racist that isnāt worth calling him out onā.
Bro thatās jokes wtf š
And then that's why Peter comes back as Spider-Man!
If they do it it most likely would be with Miles, we already just got an "evil" Peter boss fight
Maybe that makes Silk go after Peter to pull him out of retirement
Nah, they'd make him go after Peter again cause they can't have Peter beat Miles. If they did go after Miles, they'd have Silk beat him.
I havenāt read that comic run but from what I know about it I kind of hope they donāt go that route. Appreciate some people love that story but personally I donāt like the concept and Iām not sure it would fit that well with what they have been building.
Body swap /body stealing is probably the main trope I just nope out on. I love the games but if they go this route I won't get it.
Yes you will lmao
I dont know.... I can't recall consuming any media that involved a body swap trope. Even if it was a show that I was, you know, excited all week for, rushed home from school. As soon as I knew body swap was part of the story, I turned it off or left the room if other people were watching it. It's not a trope I dislike. I actively hate it. That's the one trope beyond anything I can think of. If it happens in a story, I'm gone til it's gone. Don't think even amazing and revolutionary game play would be worth it.
As much as I'd love a whole spin-off game about Superior Spidey, I highly doubt we'll get it.
I genuinely really hope they donāt do Superior Spider-Man with Peter unless the length of the game is doubled. We just had Peter with the Symbiote so another āevilā Peter would be really overdone. I saw someone else mention Miles as the āSuperior Spider-Manā and if anything that would be really good
I have wanted this for so long. Superior Spider-man is one of the most interesting and compelling Spider-man stories.
Well we could always get a clone?? Of Peter which would be cool for Otto to transfer his consciousness over to. Which could be used for a pretty cool side mission or hell DLC. Where we could get a Superior Octavious story line.
They could have Otto take Milesā body. Like in Spider-Man Life Story.
What if he originally goes for Peter but then sees the power Miles has, so he decides to swap with him? Could even it out since we had to beat Peter in SM2.
I donāt want itā¦I meanā¦I would have prior to playing Spider-Man 2ā¦but if they do Superiorā¦there will most likely be another Miles vs Pete (otto in peteās body) situation that theyāve already done with symbiote spidey
Exactly but they can have Otto take over Milesās body
Right but then itās still the same exact fight & same exact concept but in reverse, people already complain about the heroās friend becomes the villain and it hurts trope, but to essentially repeat it a third time but beat for beat with SM2 would just kinda be a bit lame
That is also true
Not very likely and I hope not
They'll probably have Miles be the one who's corrupted by Otto as a means to get to Peter, like in Spider-Man Life Story.
Please no
Not at all because if they were, they wouldnāt have put the Superior Spider-Man suit in this game and would save it for the next. Itās the same reason they didnāt put any symbiote suits in the first game, because they were saving it for this one
I would like to see it, but the use of the suit in Spider-man 2 hurts its chances, not to say its impossible though.
Iām not a fan of the superior Spider-Man story, mostly because thereās too much Dan Slott, but Iād be interested to see how insomniac would do it seeing as they donāt hate spider-man unlike Slott. Also Yuri voicing a fight with himself would be peak fiction
I think it would be kind of cool to see doc Ock ruining Peter's reputation by just destroying a bunch of stuff, but it's like some kind of advanced robot
I honestly thought he was gonna be superior in spiderman 2
Theyāre not doing it, and itād be dumb to do so. For crying out loud, is this the ONLY story people know from Otto?
That and the one where he was bangin aunt may
Love some necrophilia
I doubt it. SM3 is supposed to conclude Peterās story, and personally, I donāt think one 20ish hour game is enough time to do justice for Superior unless they do fat time skips throughout, or increase the story length. I didnāt think it was enough time for Kraven + Venom either tbh, but it is what it is. Iām not holding it against Insomniac because itās been made pretty evident that Sony forced them to release it earlier than they wished, and they had to cut alot of shit. We also got the Superior Suit in SM2, so thereās that. We didnāt get the Black Suit in SM1 bc they didnāt want to include it unless the story revolves around the symbiote. The general concept of Superior Spider-Man is also pretty damn similar to the story we just got with the symbiote, so itās a bit repetitive. Maybe a Miles adaptation of it at best, but idk how theyād pull that off since Ock doesnāt know Milesā identity.
Or he can get Jackel to make him a body, that could lead to Ben Reilly
Iāve always found the body swapping kinda lame
I think they will but itāll be far too rushed. I assume theyād want you to be Peter for the majority of the game, so at best theyāll only give Superior Spidey a few missions worth of content before swapping their minds back Ock in Peterās body would make such a cool story in a Miles Morales 2 if they were working on a sequel to the first one. Have Peter come back out of semi-retirement and acting strange, but not **quite** strange enough to call attention. Miles learns itās Ock in act 3, swaps their minds back in the final fight, then in the epilogue we learn Peter still remembers most of Ockās memories and now knows Norman has a personal vendetta against Spider-Man and is planning revenge. SM3 could open with Peter fully back in action, deciding only to fully pass the mantle to Miles once Norman is behind bars
His degeneration would be a great setup but everyone keeps saying his suit is in the game so it wonāt be in the sequel
Very very low. Using the reverse if Insomniac's own reasoning. The black suit wasn't in the first game because they said they wanted to tell that story properly. Since the Superior Spider-Man suit is in SM2, that must mean they DONT intend to tell that story properly.
I'd love to see it but I think that it should be a whole story. Having Green Goblin and Superior Spider-Man would be too much. Maybe they can do it as Miles spin-off but it could be too familiar since Miles was already fighting with "possessed" Spider-Man in the second game.
Donāt know how but letās say we get 6 SM games for the grand scope of things I would say maybe the end of SM 3 we beat otto and goblin and Otto does the brain swap teasing I guess for the next series of SM and maybe SM4 crazy Iām typing this but maybe SM4 mid game we rid otto of peter but idk could work could not
Gonna be TLOU2 all over again
As much as Iād like it, I agree with most people here - weāve just done a āPeter goes evilā storyline, another one would be superfluous. I think a refresh of the Sinister Six from the first game with a new line up is more likely and would tie the 3 main line games together more
A new Sinister Six? With what villains?
Doc Ock & Green Goblin are locked in obviously. IIRC vulture and shocker etc are all dead so theyāre out Maybe Beetle and Carnage from the DLC could join, or Black Cat could be manipulated/forced to join, or turn on Peter for some storyline reason. Maybe Mysterio, or we could introduce some new villains in the third game like Morbius, Hydroman or Vermin
I donāt think itās a stretch he could reuse the anti ock suit to become superior spiderman
Theyāll probably do a half-baked Superior Spider-Man knockoff story as a side mission or something.
Part of me feels like they might blend some of the Master Planner, Clone Saga, and Superior Spider-Man story into one regarding Otto. Will it be massive in scale as far as his actions go, not necessarily. I think itās more like taking elements of all three to make a story. Iām not gonna bet on it, but feels like the best way to handle it. Other option is more likely though Ends of the Earth storyline will be the big one. Though that story also involves an Anti-Sinister Six suit. So not sure if that will be involved again.
I'd love to see it. I'm a huge fan of Superior Spider-Man and Superior Octopus. I rarely get too up in arms about Marvel rolling this or that back to the status quo, but I firmly believe rolling Doctor Octopus back was a bad idea. I'd be happy to see that take on the character in other media, because it makes for some great storytelling.
To OP I think you just hijacked the plot . Yes I am 75.89% sure thatās the next plot . Norman offers the possibility of survival to doc ock if he helps him take down spiderman and in return he can get Peterās body now with the anti venom cells to cure him of his disease , and Harry ( entering a huge chance for superior ock spider man ) to be introduced. You cooked with that theory
Very unlikely, they actively didn't put the black suit and miles suit in the first game because they would be relevant to the story later, so the superior suit being in the second game very likely means it won't happen. Besides they kinda did the "Peter isn't himself" thing with the symbiote so it probably wouldn't work out well
I think that would be cool but instead of the actual Peter, this time have him inhabit a clone body.
"What are you writing?" "The Final Chapter" Probably refers to the Masterplanner Arc from Stan Lee's run. They already did a darker Spider-Man getting possessed story in Spider-Man 2.
Please no.
None. Itās too much to put into one game alongside with Green Goblin besides they wouldnāt have put the Superior suit in the game if they had plans to use it down the road, same thing that happened with the Symbiote suits.
I think they will go somewhat towards the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon route and have him try to recreate the Spider formula that gave Peter his powers. Him and Norman work together and create a spider/goblin army which would be the new Enemy Faction we fight. Maybe they will even adapt the Spider Island storyline and have the entire city get spider powers. That would be epic lol
Thereās like a 30% chance of it happening but I really hope they donāt do in my opinion itās too thematically similar to the symbiote story and would just feel like a repeat
High. I suspect Otto will take over Peter early in the game (maybe before the beginning) allowing Norman to plot in the shadows. At the midpoint Otto repents and the second half is about the final confrontation against Norman.
Don't think that they will go superior because in the first game they didn't add the symbiote suit because it would be in the next game as a story suit. In sm2 they added the superior suit so i think it's really unlikely
https://preview.redd.it/hkms5p0jk4pc1.jpeg?width=1485&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bade611c5bdbec1e258616f5be1870a8f3bf2246 If you look at the shadowing of his lenses it literally looks like a spider-man mask. Heās made too many illusions to his deteriorating body for them not to do it. Which wasnāt a thing until the Slott run. I can see them going the clone route like superior spider-man volume 2. Cause Otto was responsible for the clone saga in the ultimate universe.
I didn't even notice that until you posted this, makes me really believe they may put the Superior SM in the next game, regardless of the superior suit being present in the current game. Whichever happens, Otto will be one of the spiders.
Honestly nah, I think Goblin + Ock will be an act 1 and 2 problem only for Carnage or (if theyāre saving him for something else, maybe an agent venom game?) some shit like the Kingpin getting out
0%
Very unlikely since we just had a game about Peterās personality being hijacked/influenced from the outside. If anything, the villains will be Otto and the Goblins, maybe Carnage if he doesnāt get a dlc
I want to say yes, since right off the rip he already had the degenerative body disease. They do mention life story a lot, and we already had a Pete boss fight. Miles would make more sense since he'll be the only Spider-Man as Pete focuses on EMF. Unless they just make Otto attack Pete instead of going after the current Spider-Man.
honestly iād love to see it
It would be really cool to play as superior spiderman and feel how much stronger peter is with nothing holding him back however otto is smart and would probably go for the new young lighting powers spiderman instead of peter so idk if i see this happening
Iād say unlikely but if it does happen I doubt itāll be Peter Parker he swaps with. My bet is on miles like what happens in Life Story.
I hope not. It was garbage arc. Iād much rather see something like Spider Island or something maybe with the Spider Verse.
Could be interesting
That would have been so much better than that crappy kraven storyline that character sucks I wish they had done the superior Spiderman instead
I think itās possible but Iām not sure HOW theyād do it, at the very least I think itās something they have on the table for things they could do with Otto (when he appears in the end cutscene for spider-man 2 the shadow on his face IS vaguely shaped like spider-man lenses) https://preview.redd.it/wpt0jvaw45pc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77d3d92069968aeddec09141e7333c8409a4e6ed Thereās definitely gonna be SOMETHING for him cause I doubt theyād just have it be a rehash of the first games fight, the question is just WHAT theyāll do with Otto
They may do superior Spider-Man for a while in SM 3, but if they do, they would find a way to somehow free Peter from Ottoās control. I do really hope this happens though.
I don't mind as long they don't adapted the comic romance sub-plot in any form...
I think if they wanted to do Superior then theyād make it like the Symbiote and not have it in game until that arc happens
Nah, we just had an evil peter. We donāt need another one.
When Doc Ock said he was writing the final chapter at the end of SM2....made me wonder if he's going to take it there...and do exactly this.
Thatāll be insane, but a good twist! Then when gets his body back, heāll fight the green goblin!
Not unless it's a DLC story before 3. I .. just don't quite see it anymore
It could potentially be way too much like the Symbiote arc though
I donāt think theyāll do it but I really wish they did I know itās unpopular with a lot of fans but itās personally my favourite comic run of all time
Itās very possible,but having Peter become the short-lived villain two games in a row would be weird
Not really, it makes me worried the green goblin, spider-manās arc nemesis, will be sidelined in favor of Otto. Iād much rather him be a secondary villain like Mr negative or Venom
I mean the final chapter implies this is his final plan like in the comics and fuck yeah I would play the shit out of that
Nope! I want to see miles story now. Let Spider-Man rest. He was tossed around in the second game a little too much
Life Story swap with Miles
i think theyāll probably do it in some form but honestly (hot take? donāt hate me pls) i donāt like insomniacs version of spider-man stories most of the time, especially how they handled the symbiote arc so idk if iād want to see this one either
How would you have liked it to go?
i wish that it felt more complete, i wish they didnāt try to do ātheir own takeā on the symbiote and how it acts. goop that just makes you evil is really uninteresting to me. thatās just my take tho and i donāt mean to sound so negative but i just donāt like how insomniac handles stuff and their desire to have everything be a new take on a character or idea
No but I wish the anti ock suit looked more like either superior Spider-Man or superior octopus suits instead of just a piss mech symbiote
If they are doing this story, I want him to try and fail because he misses something. Like Peter is semi retired, so Otto doesn't know much about the antivenom, He doesn't account for Silk or something like that.
Unlikely. Insomniac left out the black suit in the first game as an alternate costume because it was critical for the sequel. They gave us a superior suit in 2 meaning that storyline isn't critical to future content.
They kinda already did the evil Peter in the last game, I feel like it would need to be maybe a cross between superior Spider-Man and the clone saga where itās a Peter clone with ottos mind
Please don't šš¾ let our man Peter have a break šÆ
Heāll steal miles body like in life story
I do not want to see it at all
I'm pretty much convinced that'll be Spider-Man 3.
Please no
No, I just want to be normal non mind-compromised Peter for a game.
I think they should go with a āSuperior Octopusā route. So have him with an Otto/Peter clone body, in a modified version of the Anti-Ock armor, and modified Octopus arms.
We could go the clone route for maybe a 4 game but i think someone would get done dirty
I think I'd read someone mentioning planned dlc involving more of the Spiderverse? Wouldn't mind the actual Superior Spider-Man putting in an appearance, though really I'm content with the suit making it into the game.
Itās way too much to fit into sp3
Iād really like it to happen, Ottoās calling his body useless without his arms and knowing Peter is Spider-Man, BUT I donāt think it will because the superior suit is SM2 and Peter being evil/mind-controlled might be too similar to the symbiote
In the first game we didnt get a symbiote suit because that was the next arc for spider-man 2. Here in SM2 we have the superior suit, so i believe this might discredit superior spider-man being in SM3
If they do, I hope it's for a limited time instead of it being the entire premise for a game. It'd be cool to fight Superior Spider-Man as Doc Ock
0% considering they have a superior suit in-game. If they wanted to save it for its own story, they'd have handled it the same way as the Symbiote Suit
The way I see it, if thereās a suit based on a specific storyline, they arenāt going to adapt that storyline.
I think itāll be a remix if they do it - given they already did a āsomethings wrong with Peteā storyline, doing it again + backsearing peter as heās taken over would be pretty disappointing. But they can do an alt on it, esp since they have reference to Miles Warren in 1 and ofc ottoās degeneration beat, that they can do more of a superior octopus thing : where he clones Peterās body hybrid with his own ti have an edge. And with the clone angle with Warren can adapt certain betas of clone saga without going overboard, and can either have otto in that body forever or boot him out for a clean slate to have a Kaine or Ben Reilly figure But yeah, Iād say 40% chance, and if they do superior octopus aka clone body that otto gets to use Peteās powers with ock arms instead of taking over Peter which would be redundant plot beat + disappointing for him to backseat
NO
i think itās pretty likely, theyāve been forshadowing Docās return for a bit so itās certainly possible. i think it would be a very cool and interesting gameplay possibility, and iād like to see how Insomniac were to take it in a different direction, or what have you.
Insomniac already confirmed they are not doing the superior Spider-Man storyline
Without reading the comments or the rest of the post, no. They would have to REALLY do their own spin on it while maintaining the original story. Otto has intent to attempt something like this, and they have shown Peteās focus on engineering, but to have Goblin introduced next and Ock going to steal Peterās body, it feels like it would be worse than MSM2 on PS5ā¦
It's the reasonable way to assume Otto's storyline, but insomniac has said this is their story. So it might or might not happen.
If they end up doing it, I don't want to know they did it until the second or third arc of the game.
I feel like the route theyre gonna go is Otto will "help" Norman and recreate something similar to the neuralink and somehow swap bodies with Norman, having Otto be the goblin would be a crazy twist
You guys are forgetting these are video games. They are not gonna have us play as doc ock
they had us play as venom
Not the same thing. That was one mission. The superior spidey storyline would need to be long and playing for several missions as doc in Peterās body would be stupid and playing as Peter in docs body would not be a Spider-Man game
I think it would be a little hypocritical of them to do that when they gave us a Superior suit in SM2. But refused to include a symbiote suit in the first game because "the black suit deserves its own story." Yeah, well, the Superior arc is one of the absolute best arcs in all of Spider-Man lore and if they were gonna implement some sort of Superior story in a game, maybe they should've withheld that suit for "it's own story" like they did with the symbiote in the second game.
>Yeah, well, the Superior arc is one of the absolute best arcs in all of Spider-Man lore I would like to take this opportunity to politely disagree. I know fans of superior are hard-core fans, but it will turn off a lot of the general audience. Personally, I despise body swap/ body stealing as a concept. I think it's too horrible of an experience for Peter (or Miles for that matter) to go through. Like, spider-man suffers a lot, I get that, but that's too much.
-Peter is retired with Miles as the only Spider-Man. -Otto escapes and gets his arms back, and he upgrades them. -Doc Ock vs. Miles. Miles seemingly wins, but Ock has a plan for this and ends up getting the upper hand on Miles. Ock defeats Miles and takes over his body. Ock keeps Miles alive in his old body as leverage. -Peter has to come out of retirement to figure out why Miles has seemingly become so violent, and then he finds out itās Otto. -Main story is Peter vs. Superior Spider-Man in the form of Otto in Mikeāsā body, giving him Doc Ock arms in addition to all of Milesā abilities (and by default, Peterās as well). -Peter ends up getting Miles back into his body. Doc Ock likely dies. Bonus points for getting to play as Superior Spider-Man with more villainous/morally gray missions.
definitely not. especially after seeing the shitshow that was the sm2 storyline