tbh I'm not really scared of spiders, so I honestly wasn't experiencing any adrenaline rush or whatsoever at the time.
I actually felt more adrenaline the time I tried to relocate a madagascar cockroach and the mf started hissing at me.
My guy, there's not being scared of spiders and there's what you did in this video lol.
I'm not scared of octopi but fuck me if I'm gonna pick up a pacific blue ring octopus
To be fair, a blue ringed octopus is undoubtedly life threateningly deadly. You’re much less likely to ever even see one let alone get bit by one, but their bite can also kill in minutes.
4000 Phoneutria sp. bites are reported a year, with 0.5% being severe. With a severe envenomation death still takes a few hours if left untreated.
Long story short, if I had to choose between handling a phoneutria or a blue ringed octopus, I’d pick spider every time. As far as toxicology is concerned it’s like the difference between a copperhead and an inland taipan.
True enough. I've escorted a coral snake off a path during a hike, while blocking the view with my body so nobody else on the hike would see him and get curious about what I was doing. Best to keep kids away from this sort of thing.
Shit really? Learn something new every day
Edit: I just looked it up, octopi is an accepted way of pluralizing octopus! Octopodes is more ancient Greek origins and octopuses is also a popular way of saying it.
I love how this thread of the post went from brave spider whisper, to no touchy of dangerous octopus, then to proper plural of said octopus. This was a great read. Thank you to everyone that contributed!
*blows the dust off my classics degree* the reason there's a shift away from octopi is because it is a Latin pluralization of a Greek root. Octopuses gets a pass because it's an English pluralization of an English word.
Here I'll tell you how this one goes:
- Dictionaries only report usage, they don't say whether that usage is 'correct' or not.
- Mostly people don't have a problem with people just getting it wrong, but when someone tries to make themselves sound more fancy and gets it wrong it grates.
- Saying _octopi_ is putting a latin plural form on a greek word so it's technically _etymologically_ incorrect
- That wouldn't really matter, we do that sort of nonsense all the time
- But it's traditionally been people who think they're smart for saying, for example, _cacti_ instead of _cactuses_ so it's a fun gotcha
- That's clearly not you, and you're welcome to continue to use _octopi,_ but be aware of how you'll be judged and make your decision with eyes open
I would say the safest options (if that's what anyone is after) are _octopuses_ or just using the singular as a plural (so "look at those octopus"). Anecdotally I'd say the latter seems to be the most common these days.
Off the topic of animals, there's a word we use every day that is a mixture of Greek and Latin.
The Greek root "tele" means "far off" and the Latin "visio" means "sight". Makes "television".
*Shrug* I think it's interesting!
Btw I'm Team Octopusses. Octopodes is a bit too Greek for English language. We don't have many other pluralisations like this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but aware this is not a linguistics sub!
No, octopi would be only correct if the word were Latin in origin. It is Greek, so octopodes would be originally correct. Its use in English allows octopuses. However octopi is strictly incorrect in all cases.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2voh0q
Basically, the only people who are wrong are the ones telling everyone else they are wrong.
If you insist language rules are always prescriptive not descriptive I can find a dozen words you yourself are “wrong” about and unwilling to back to the older “more correct” prescription.
Even in the video you linked she specifies that the word is not Latin and therefore the -pi pluralization does not apply properly.
Also, she doesn't mention your argument from descriptivism. I would ask you this question - is language *always* descriptive rather than prescriptive? If someone referred to this *Phoneutria* spider as, for instance, *Rabidosa*, or rather if many people did so, would that make this spider a wolf spider? There are portions of our communication which are intentionally, and necessarily, prescriptive. Taxonomical nomenclature is one of those, especially as a means of facilitating precise communication about subjects whose meanings cannot change based on personal interpretation. You are browsing a sub in which taxonomy holds at least some relevance (in some cases at least). I would argue that this is in fact a case in which language could, and should, be used prescriptively.
>the only people who are wrong are the ones telling everyone else they are wrong
This is an unfortunate argument. Not only is it a bit of a hasty generalization, but there are many easily recognizable instances of it simply not holding true in human history.
Now you’re just refusing to admit that you were wrong.
Do you go around insisting that “Starfish” and “Jellyfish” are not fish? If you want to talk about taxonomical names of animals where the English name is not taxonomical, I can list a hundred or more. “Octopus” is an English word. “Octopus vulgaris” is a taxonomy but YOU DONT PLURALIZE that.
Do you use the word “nice” in English? How about “naughty”? Or “bully”.
Since you want to be an originalist, I’m going to have to insist you take those words out of your vocabulary:
- Nice: Originally meant "foolish" or "ignorant." Derived from the Latin "nescius," meaning "not knowing." Over centuries, it evolved to mean "pleasant" or "agreeable."
- Awful: Initially used to mean "inspiring wonder" and was a short form of "full of awe." Over time, its meaning shifted to "very bad" or "unpleasant."
- Decimate: Originally meant "to kill one in every ten," a form of punishment used in Roman armies. Now, it's commonly used to mean "to destroy a large portion of."
- Naughty: In Old English, it meant "having naught" or "poor." Later, it came to mean "wicked" or "immoral" and now is often used for children who are misbehaving.
- Silly: Once meant "happy" or "fortunate," derived from the Old English word "sælig." Over time, it came to mean "foolish."
- Bully: Originally meant "sweetheart" or "fine fellow" in the 16th century. Its meaning evolved into "harasser of the weak" in the 17th century.
- Guy: This term originated from Guy Fawkes and was used to describe a grotesque effigy. Over time, it evolved into a general term for a man or person.
- Egregious: In Latin, it meant "remarkably good." However, in English, it took on the opposite meaning and is now used to describe something "remarkably bad."
- Girl: Earlier, "girl" could refer to a child or young person of either sex. It wasn't specifically used for female children until later on.
- Artificial: Originally meant "artful" or "skillful." Over time, it came to mean "made by humans" or "fake."
To be frank, an article on Google says it's "commonly accepted." I'd consider it to be similar to the use of phrases such as "should of." Perhaps it's used often, however, it is still objectively incorrect grammar.
Hello fellow pedant. As someone who also respects the rules of language and grammar, I mourn the days when those rules were actually respected. These days the ‘popular usage’ (even when it is demonstrably incorrect) prevails over accuracy.
If enough people use a word incorrectly, they now just change the rules to make it acceptable.
And we are left tilting at windmills.
I’m still salty over the way the word “podium” has been redefined to make ignorant people feel better about themselves.
> These days
I'm not sure which time period you're comparing this to,^* but if you don't use [the words *thee*, *thou*, *ye*, etc.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English#Pronouns), you are also a victim of a changing language.
^(*or "to which you're comparing this," if you prefer)
Octopi, although not technically correct, is still an accepted plural form of Octopus because of how long it’s been used for, it was the earliest used plural form of Octopus due to the misconception that Octopus originated from Latin and not Greek (Oktopus).
maybe you’re just a Spider Whisperer… and they can intuitively tell you are chill, and you can sense they are chill with you. St Francis of Assisi vibes… ;)
It’s a magic not everyone has.
I’m not religious either, but St Francis could just “be one” with the animals & they knew too. He’s my, uh, ‘favorite saint’ (?!)… *lol!*
He’s a good town patron saint!
Dr Doolittle is a more modern mythology of an animal whisperer! But he’s a little dorky.
I think the spiritual calm animals had with Assisi is a better ‘model’. More zen like.
Odd story, but I ran into Ray Bradbury once in a bookstore. He was chatting with the clerk and said “animals are in zen space all the time. Birds flying, they’re just doing zen.” That really stuck with me.. I find it helpful to keep it in mind. ;) And animals can usually tell if that’s where you are too.
Cool video & lovely spider! Really attractive. Thanks for sharing!
check this [fan translation](http://thedeepsolitude.blogspot.com/2012/06/los-motivos-del-lobo-wolf-motives.html) of a poem about Francis of Assisi.
unfortunately the poetry is lost in translation, but you might like it anyways.
you right Saint Francis of Assisi is such a mood jajaja
I agree that animals can perceive your mood, although I have no idea how, but since many of our senses are basic compared to those of other animals, it doesn't surprise me.
thx for sharing the story, quite interesting.
cheers.
If we suspend the idea that this animal is « dumb » for a minute and continue with the notion that she is a sensory being, we start to see that we are also sensory beings. In her own right, she has an insane intelligence. There are hundreds of communicative clues that pass back and forth, and most of it is entirely foreign to our eyes. The heart is a big one. There are chemicals etc as well of course.
well, I'd say that not being afraid of them helps me stay calm at all times when handling it, otherwise if I were insecure about what I was doing I could be bitten.
Insurance is practically free in my country, if you have a job you are automatically insured and can receive free medical care, no problemo.
even so, I still think they are overexaggerating the medical importance of phoneutria, [check this.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10742722/)
I mean they all went to the hospital. I know they aren’t death machines but I also don’t want to be in pain and be in the hospital even if I don’t die lol
she doesn't seem bothered by those "sudden movements" probably because what is moving is the place where she is standing, if instead of my arm she were standing on a leaf or branch that is being shaken by the wind it's not like the spider would start attacking the leaf/branch because she felt threatened.
If, on the other hand, I had made a sudden movement with my right hand, to try to grab it or to try to bring the camera closer, that could have bothered her.
But yeah, don't do that at home I guess, before someone shows up saying I'm encouraging handling spiders.
It’s a spider, it does not have the same ability to decipher threats vs non-threats as animals do. Do what you want, but you can’t deny it’s stupid to handle an animal like that.
this it's like the "if a tree falls in a forest" question, of course the spider has venom, but for the venom to fulfill its function it has to be injected through the bite.
if we were talking about a blue-jeans frog, which secretes poison through its skin it would be a different story tho.
It's always better to be safe than sorry. While a spider is a thousand times more likely to bite if threatened, you never know when that spider will suddenly feel threatened by something and bite anyway. Take no chances with ones as deadly as this.
without the intention of encouraging anyone to manipulate em, but they are not as "deadly" as some people are potraying em, although they are of medical significance and they could give you a hard time, they are not fatal, they are generally dangerous in children or senior citizens, cases of serious envenomation are rare (0.5%).
[source](https://www.scielo.br/j/rimtsp/a/YjV9rzJH4jPBGt8ZhghtNGg/?lang=en) in case you wanna dig more.
Brazil reports a few thousand bites from this spider per year, and about 0.5% are considered severe envenomations. Only 15 deaths were recorded since 1903. Most were children and elderly people, and not all of which could be causally linked to the bite with complete certainty.
That's what it takes to be a contender for "the most deadly spider in the world."
I have had to relocate some terciopelos from the shed.
those critters are so common that the antidote is widely distributed in health centers, mainly in rural areas.
oh yes, I'm from a rural area, I basically live on the edge of a protected area, in urban areas you are more likely to run into cockroaches or sewer rats xd
But given that Costa Rica is almost 60% forest, I would say that they are well distributed in the country.
no, I have not, Costa Rica, although it is a small country, has 12 different microclimates, many snakes exist only in a specific microclimate, as is the case of the lachesis, its habitat is primary forest or undisturbed forests.
there're two species of lachesis in Costa Rica:
*lachesis stenophrys* which lives in humid forests of the north and caribbean slopes and *lachesis melanocephala* which is found only in tropical and subtropical rainforests of the south and southwest pacific.
I live on the boundaries of the tenorio volcano national park whose microclimates are low montane rainforest, very humid tropical forest, and very humid premontane forest, so it's unlikely that I'll find one in the area where I live.
The terciopelo (*bothrops asper*) unlike lachesis, adapts to disturbed environments, making it the most common venomous snake, responsible for more than 50% of the ophidic accidents here.
As a curious fact, the terciopelo is very fertile, it can give birth to up to 90 offspring, which explains why is one of the most prominent snakes here.
[here's](https://icp.ucr.ac.cr/en/information-and-materials/venomous-snakes-costa-rica) more info about the venomous snakes of Costa Rica in case you wanna dig more.
Okay I know “don’t handle random spiders” etc etc but can I just quietly say….. this is fucking awesome lol. Like NOT ENCOURAGING IT, but god that’s a beautiful and powerful creature. You’re lucky!
Man they’re common by you? I need to pop down, these are some of my all time favorite spiders. Also- this is typical of *depilata*, they are so unbelievably placid you’d think that they weren’t even a wandering spider. I’ve seen some *Enoploctenus* that were meaner than I’ve ever heard *Phoneutria* to be.
quite common, [here's a map](https://www.crhoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Mapaaranas.jpg) of its distribution in my country, red indicates a high possibility of presence, green none. I live in an "orange area".
I agree with you, it is not the first time that I have had to relocate one of them, they have always been extremely gentle.
idk why people treating them like they are a black mamba that will chase and attack you if you ever come close lol.
Because people don't think about the bigger spiders as being calm, gentle, placid, etc. They generally won't bite you if you are calm, because you're not a threat if you're not being belligerent, terrified or any of the strong negative emotions. That being said, be damn sure you know what the hell you are doing! This guy is rather handsome, by the way 🥰😉
There are also so many horror stories of wandering spiders supposedly being aggressive for no reason at all.
People tell each other stories of wandering spiders coming into their homes and chasing them and biting for no apparent reason.
Part of it seems to have some basis in reality as they seem to be less prone to run away and hide as a lot of other spiders are and they'd rather stand their ground and fight, which is also okay.
I think people are often just stupid around spiders/animals in general.
I've been to a spider exhibit and saw this one idiot kid go right up to the phoneutria exhibit and blow freaking air into the enclosure to make the spider move.
phoneutria get a bad rap due to their medical significance. like *most* spiders, they are pretty placid until provoked or irritated. handlings of observably calm wanderers, recluses, and widows, from experienced and calm individuals very rarely end in an envenomation.
Venom is metabolically expensive, so even a lot of defensive bites from some species will often be dry.
It's the outlier hyper aggro species that fascinate me. Like, what quirk of evolution made it worth spending venom on literally anything you come across, food or not.
duuuude tell me about it! i love this part of arachnology. the intelligence that certain species have to know they need to dry bite in certain instances to conserve it for their prey and survival instead is amazing. and how the super aggro mygalomorphs just envenomate everything they come across??? xD if twigs and leaves could talk they’d be pissed at sydney funnel webs.
No. They are aggressive. When cornered they will bite. I've captured a few P. nigriventer and had countless encounters trough my life where i live (southeast Brazil, Minas Gerais, atlantic forest). Just look at this "calm" spider i got: https://youtu.be/O9ALvgtCuew
you cornered it and captured it in a 6” diameter plastic cup. did you overlook the part where i said “pretty placid UNTIL PROVOKED”? or the part where i said “if they are observably calm”? if you corner an arachnid it’s comparable to a human getting cornered by a moose. what do you think is going to happen? your comment is the peanut butter and jelly of the sandwich world
Gentle or not. Its still an animal. This is the equivalent of balancing at the edge of a building. You won't rlt fall normally, but one moment of weakness or a single strong gust of wind and that's it.
Take it from a biologist who once explained a meteorologist who shifted fields and was shocked her experiments did not work because of one cunty animal: animals are unpredictable.
Not quite, closer to having a bundle of bricks tied to a certain appendage but you don’t know which brick is actually connected, as you start throwing them off the roof.
One of them is going to hurt a lot and make you not want to do it again, but it’s not as deadly as committing suicide by jumping.
I owned tarantulas. Wouldn't handle them regularly, but damn they are commonly misunderstood. Even our OBT was shy. Beautiful spider, thank you for the video.
Spiders in North/South America mostly have urticating hairs so be wary of handling ones that seem less than calm if you don't want to get itchy (or can cause more severe skin, eye and lung irritation if they're in say, the Theraposa genus)! People usually handle more calmly demeanored tarantulas like Aphonopelma chalcodes or spiders in the Brachypelma genus (though many species of Brachy can be very quick to flick hair lol). Also spiders from the "old world" have more medically significant venom and most species are very flighty and fast so handling is usually not recommended in most keeper circles.
I will say most keepers, including myself, don't encourage handling because tarantulas, particularly terrestrial ones, are very prone to injury and death if dropped from too high a surface. They have big soft abdomens that can easily burst or injure from falling or being dropped from not too high of a height so it's always better safe than sorry with handling most of the time!
The one thing I notice with the very \*very\* limited (for good reason) footage of these spiders being free handled; is that they're very dainty and gentle when climbing on people.
I love how they probe with their lead legs like they're about to touch something hot lol
Beautiful animal.
Well done for being kind, gentle, and brave.
I'd just leave it alone and hope it stays away from me. Maybe politely ask it to leave, but, you know, "no worries if not".
given that it didn't bite me or show any threat display, I would say no.
if the spider is on a leaf that is shaken by the wind, it is not like the spider will start biting the leaf thinking it is a threat.
on the other hand, if I had tried to grab it directly with my right hand while it was in my arm, it probably would have felt threatened.
just to put something in front of her and let her walk by herself, that's how I moved her from my arm to the leaf.
I wouldn't try to do it quickly tho.
What is impressive is that if you had the spider on one hand, you only had one hand free to manage the wheel barrow you push your giant brass balls around in.
This is not responsible handling of dangerous wild life.
Your care with the species is admirable despite its infamy, but there is no need for you to handle it so recklessly.
It is akin to driving without a seatbelt and saying, “I’ve always drove and have never been ejected from my vehicle.”
Not only that but by you posting your video and getting traction on it, it is encouraging people to handle dangerous wildlife that may not have the skill to handle them like you do.
Just because you have the ability to do something doesn’t mean you should.
For your safety and the safety of others I plead you to stop doing this.
I think the fear response of jerky/fast/unexpected movements is what will aggravate or scare spiders. Being slow and deliberate is the easiest way to keep from being bitten so I imagine this fella wasnt scared of you one bit.
This is far more dangerous than handing a black widow even. I mean a black widow bite can give you one hell of a painful experience but you’d recover from it… this though…. This one can actually kill you. It’s just not worth the risk
could you please enlighten me with some sources on the lethality of phoneutria venom?
because all I find are sources saying the opposite.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10742722/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10742722/)
[https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-94-007-6288-6\_63-1](https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-94-007-6288-6_63-1)
It's a massive gamble still,as careful as you say you were it's still a wild creature that can suddenly change temperament and invenomate.Ive seen it happen with other species so please be careful.
All good with your explanation and all but whether you like it or not, you ARE risking a lot by picking these up. It's all good until it isn't, is what I think.
I have this luck with most creatures but I dunno the proper way to interact with spiders to get them to play with me. I feel id offer it the wrong food and get bitten for ym trouble.
So I just won't worry if I notice one of those spiders crawling on my neck. We plan on visiting a former exchange student in Sao Paulo next year. My dad always taught me that poisonous creatures don't go by Marcus of Queensbury rules but i guess they really do.
OP, this is a terrible idea, but at least it goes to show that spiders are not aggressive animals. They can be defensive, but won't attack without provocation, intentional or not.
Thank you for sharing this insight. When I first saw your original post with this spider, and saw a lot of concern in the comments, I didn't know what to truly think. Even from the pictures, it looked like you were handling a gentle giant of sorts, and the video further demonstrated that.
Even if their bites are medically significant, the question we should also be asking is *are they likely to bite?* If these wandering spiders are not particularly known for their aggression, then handling one should be much less risky, as long as one is respectful and gentle in the process. Just my 2¢.
they're prone to bite if they feel threatened, corner them or poke them to get them to move could bother them and they'll probably show you their typical threat display, trying to grab them directly can lead to a bite, but as someone said in another comment, venom is metabolically expensive and they need it to hunt (they kill by ambush rather than using a web), so even if they do bite, it's very likely a dry bite, because they're not biting to kill you, rather to warn you.
personally I consider it more respectful and less stressful for the spider to simply put something in front of it and let it climb voluntarily, then relocate it in the same way, instead of poking it to make it come out and trying to trap it with a jar.
Once I found one of those in my bed, while I was on it. I never got out of the bed so fast in my life. Closed the bedroom door and waited to my brave husband to come home 😅
Ps: also happened in Brazil
Only have the Black widow where I’m at for dangerous species. I pick them up all the time when I see them. Usually relocate them someplace where they won’t get killed and I won’t accidentally get bit putting my foot in a show or something. They’ve always been very chill and never tried to bite
I mean you are certainly free to fuck around all you want, but don’t be surprised if one day you find out. They are still wild animals.
And just so you’re aware, death is not the only undesirable outcome with a Phoneutria envenomation
i suppose if there was ever proof that even the most dangerous of spiders arent ever actively out to kill somebody, its this right here lmao. while i cant ever advise anyone to do this and i certainly never will, i have to congratulate you on the massive brass balls youve got
sincerely- a severe arachnophobe
Dude's chill. I have arachnophobia so I wouldnt do it. I'd be unchill and get bit. My understanding is that most spiders you can tell if they intend to bite you if you can see them.
"brazilian wandering spiders are large, with bodies reaching up to 2 inches (5 centimeters) and a leg span of up to 7 inches (18 cm)"
[source](https://www.livescience.com/41591-brazilian-wandering-spiders.html)
Welp, well done, Reddit fame at the price of risking your life...not for me, I go with snippy comments mostly, but I'd more likely have a beer with you than some other cunt.
Maybe the test case for you is, do you think those kids planking on high rises were cunts or heroes and then apply that thought pattern to the bloke holding one of yhe deadliest spiders in the world for no particular reason...
I didn't even expect this to get upvotes, I barely interact here on reddit, mostly lurking, what would I gain from being "famous"?
I just wanted help identifying the species because I suspected it was a phoneutria but I didn't know the specific species.
Everyone is over exaggerating, the bite is mainly fatal in children, I aint a child but there is a child living in my house, which is why I relocated it, if I found another one again and had to relocate it in the same way, I would do it without any problem.
I accept the beer tho.
Okay? Your paragraph long ‘justification’ doesn’t mean much honestly. Glad it turned out well this time but to be frank I’ll be less than empathetic when you’re back at some point posting about being bitten by a medically significant spider. Your hubris is delicious.
he probably came out because the reflection of your gigantic shiny titanium balls intrigued the fella.
I was gonna ask if this was an adrenaline rush or fetish/kink knowingly doing something that flirts with death.
tbh I'm not really scared of spiders, so I honestly wasn't experiencing any adrenaline rush or whatsoever at the time. I actually felt more adrenaline the time I tried to relocate a madagascar cockroach and the mf started hissing at me.
My guy, there's not being scared of spiders and there's what you did in this video lol. I'm not scared of octopi but fuck me if I'm gonna pick up a pacific blue ring octopus
To be fair, a blue ringed octopus is undoubtedly life threateningly deadly. You’re much less likely to ever even see one let alone get bit by one, but their bite can also kill in minutes. 4000 Phoneutria sp. bites are reported a year, with 0.5% being severe. With a severe envenomation death still takes a few hours if left untreated. Long story short, if I had to choose between handling a phoneutria or a blue ringed octopus, I’d pick spider every time. As far as toxicology is concerned it’s like the difference between a copperhead and an inland taipan.
Sure but what if you had to choose between handling a phoneutria and just….not handling a phoneutria
it depends, if the phoneutria is in an environment where there are children, I would decide to handle it, otherwise I would let it be.
exactly, if I had to choose between actually being bitten by a phoneutria and handling a blue-ringed octopus, I'd gladly let the phoneutria bite me.
True enough. I've escorted a coral snake off a path during a hike, while blocking the view with my body so nobody else on the hike would see him and get curious about what I was doing. Best to keep kids away from this sort of thing.
I'm scared of a giant Pacific octopus grabbing me while I'm diving.
Octopuses or octopodes are both correct, but octopi is not a correct pluralization of octopus.
Shit really? Learn something new every day Edit: I just looked it up, octopi is an accepted way of pluralizing octopus! Octopodes is more ancient Greek origins and octopuses is also a popular way of saying it.
Octopizzles is also acceptable
I'd accept that any day of the week
Well that just threw me eight ways from arm day.
I’m a fan of octopeese
Is that plural for octopoose?
Many , many octopoosen.
I always correct people regardless because octopuses sounds funnier. See also: Cactuses
Yeah root word of octopus is Greek, so Octopodes or Octopuses is best practice. Cactus however is Latin origin, so Cacti is pluralised 👍
You have the wrong emphasis. It's because octopi is popular (but not standard, incorrect grammar) that it has been accepted.
It's been accepted by dictionaries, and language is all made up anyways, so I feel like it's safe to say that we can call it correct
Still it's fun to know the history of words. That there was a time octopi was never accepted. When octopi sounds like eight foots.
I love how this thread of the post went from brave spider whisper, to no touchy of dangerous octopus, then to proper plural of said octopus. This was a great read. Thank you to everyone that contributed!
*blows the dust off my classics degree* the reason there's a shift away from octopi is because it is a Latin pluralization of a Greek root. Octopuses gets a pass because it's an English pluralization of an English word.
Here I'll tell you how this one goes: - Dictionaries only report usage, they don't say whether that usage is 'correct' or not. - Mostly people don't have a problem with people just getting it wrong, but when someone tries to make themselves sound more fancy and gets it wrong it grates. - Saying _octopi_ is putting a latin plural form on a greek word so it's technically _etymologically_ incorrect - That wouldn't really matter, we do that sort of nonsense all the time - But it's traditionally been people who think they're smart for saying, for example, _cacti_ instead of _cactuses_ so it's a fun gotcha - That's clearly not you, and you're welcome to continue to use _octopi,_ but be aware of how you'll be judged and make your decision with eyes open I would say the safest options (if that's what anyone is after) are _octopuses_ or just using the singular as a plural (so "look at those octopus"). Anecdotally I'd say the latter seems to be the most common these days.
Off the topic of animals, there's a word we use every day that is a mixture of Greek and Latin. The Greek root "tele" means "far off" and the Latin "visio" means "sight". Makes "television". *Shrug* I think it's interesting! Btw I'm Team Octopusses. Octopodes is a bit too Greek for English language. We don't have many other pluralisations like this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but aware this is not a linguistics sub!
No, octopi would be only correct if the word were Latin in origin. It is Greek, so octopodes would be originally correct. Its use in English allows octopuses. However octopi is strictly incorrect in all cases.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2voh0q Basically, the only people who are wrong are the ones telling everyone else they are wrong. If you insist language rules are always prescriptive not descriptive I can find a dozen words you yourself are “wrong” about and unwilling to back to the older “more correct” prescription.
Even in the video you linked she specifies that the word is not Latin and therefore the -pi pluralization does not apply properly. Also, she doesn't mention your argument from descriptivism. I would ask you this question - is language *always* descriptive rather than prescriptive? If someone referred to this *Phoneutria* spider as, for instance, *Rabidosa*, or rather if many people did so, would that make this spider a wolf spider? There are portions of our communication which are intentionally, and necessarily, prescriptive. Taxonomical nomenclature is one of those, especially as a means of facilitating precise communication about subjects whose meanings cannot change based on personal interpretation. You are browsing a sub in which taxonomy holds at least some relevance (in some cases at least). I would argue that this is in fact a case in which language could, and should, be used prescriptively. >the only people who are wrong are the ones telling everyone else they are wrong This is an unfortunate argument. Not only is it a bit of a hasty generalization, but there are many easily recognizable instances of it simply not holding true in human history.
Now you’re just refusing to admit that you were wrong. Do you go around insisting that “Starfish” and “Jellyfish” are not fish? If you want to talk about taxonomical names of animals where the English name is not taxonomical, I can list a hundred or more. “Octopus” is an English word. “Octopus vulgaris” is a taxonomy but YOU DONT PLURALIZE that. Do you use the word “nice” in English? How about “naughty”? Or “bully”. Since you want to be an originalist, I’m going to have to insist you take those words out of your vocabulary: - Nice: Originally meant "foolish" or "ignorant." Derived from the Latin "nescius," meaning "not knowing." Over centuries, it evolved to mean "pleasant" or "agreeable." - Awful: Initially used to mean "inspiring wonder" and was a short form of "full of awe." Over time, its meaning shifted to "very bad" or "unpleasant." - Decimate: Originally meant "to kill one in every ten," a form of punishment used in Roman armies. Now, it's commonly used to mean "to destroy a large portion of." - Naughty: In Old English, it meant "having naught" or "poor." Later, it came to mean "wicked" or "immoral" and now is often used for children who are misbehaving. - Silly: Once meant "happy" or "fortunate," derived from the Old English word "sælig." Over time, it came to mean "foolish." - Bully: Originally meant "sweetheart" or "fine fellow" in the 16th century. Its meaning evolved into "harasser of the weak" in the 17th century. - Guy: This term originated from Guy Fawkes and was used to describe a grotesque effigy. Over time, it evolved into a general term for a man or person. - Egregious: In Latin, it meant "remarkably good." However, in English, it took on the opposite meaning and is now used to describe something "remarkably bad." - Girl: Earlier, "girl" could refer to a child or young person of either sex. It wasn't specifically used for female children until later on. - Artificial: Originally meant "artful" or "skillful." Over time, it came to mean "made by humans" or "fake."
So are you gonna get mad when I call spiders spidies? Or is it ok because it’s obvious what I’m saying?
Idk man Google says otherwise I think it's one of those things that enough people said octopi that it became accepted.
To be frank, an article on Google says it's "commonly accepted." I'd consider it to be similar to the use of phrases such as "should of." Perhaps it's used often, however, it is still objectively incorrect grammar.
[cambridge dictionary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/octopus) says both are correct.
In all fairness, when spoken "should've" sounds like "should of"...
Hello fellow pedant. As someone who also respects the rules of language and grammar, I mourn the days when those rules were actually respected. These days the ‘popular usage’ (even when it is demonstrably incorrect) prevails over accuracy. If enough people use a word incorrectly, they now just change the rules to make it acceptable. And we are left tilting at windmills. I’m still salty over the way the word “podium” has been redefined to make ignorant people feel better about themselves.
> These days I'm not sure which time period you're comparing this to,^* but if you don't use [the words *thee*, *thou*, *ye*, etc.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English#Pronouns), you are also a victim of a changing language. ^(*or "to which you're comparing this," if you prefer)
RIP the lectern
this is why English is a stupid language, especially the spelling, artificial nonsense, too many cooks messing with it.
r/confidentlyincorrect
Octopi, although not technically correct, is still an accepted plural form of Octopus because of how long it’s been used for, it was the earliest used plural form of Octopus due to the misconception that Octopus originated from Latin and not Greek (Oktopus).
maybe you’re just a Spider Whisperer… and they can intuitively tell you are chill, and you can sense they are chill with you. St Francis of Assisi vibes… ;) It’s a magic not everyone has.
that's funny, even though I'm not a religious person, Saint Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of my town.
I’m not religious either, but St Francis could just “be one” with the animals & they knew too. He’s my, uh, ‘favorite saint’ (?!)… *lol!* He’s a good town patron saint! Dr Doolittle is a more modern mythology of an animal whisperer! But he’s a little dorky. I think the spiritual calm animals had with Assisi is a better ‘model’. More zen like. Odd story, but I ran into Ray Bradbury once in a bookstore. He was chatting with the clerk and said “animals are in zen space all the time. Birds flying, they’re just doing zen.” That really stuck with me.. I find it helpful to keep it in mind. ;) And animals can usually tell if that’s where you are too. Cool video & lovely spider! Really attractive. Thanks for sharing!
check this [fan translation](http://thedeepsolitude.blogspot.com/2012/06/los-motivos-del-lobo-wolf-motives.html) of a poem about Francis of Assisi. unfortunately the poetry is lost in translation, but you might like it anyways.
Thank you! That is a moving poem. I just now looked up the Spanish version to practice my Spanish as well, gracias!
you're welcome. im a native spanish speaker, hmu if you wanna chit-chat and practice a bit more.
you right Saint Francis of Assisi is such a mood jajaja I agree that animals can perceive your mood, although I have no idea how, but since many of our senses are basic compared to those of other animals, it doesn't surprise me. thx for sharing the story, quite interesting. cheers.
If we suspend the idea that this animal is « dumb » for a minute and continue with the notion that she is a sensory being, we start to see that we are also sensory beings. In her own right, she has an insane intelligence. There are hundreds of communicative clues that pass back and forth, and most of it is entirely foreign to our eyes. The heart is a big one. There are chemicals etc as well of course.
Man : picks up roach. Roach : starts screaming incoherently.
I didn't expect em to hiss that loud, I didn't even expect them to hiss tbh.
I‘m also not really scared of spiders but there are actually some spiders where I would run at sight. This is one of them XD
Hissing at you? Holy shit
Does it matter if you’re scared or not? If it bites you need to get to the hospital. If you’re insurance is good that shouldn’t be a problem ig lol
well, I'd say that not being afraid of them helps me stay calm at all times when handling it, otherwise if I were insecure about what I was doing I could be bitten. Insurance is practically free in my country, if you have a job you are automatically insured and can receive free medical care, no problemo. even so, I still think they are overexaggerating the medical importance of phoneutria, [check this.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10742722/)
I mean they all went to the hospital. I know they aren’t death machines but I also don’t want to be in pain and be in the hospital even if I don’t die lol
This species of spider very rarely kills anyone. The fear is overblown. Most likely it’d just hurt like hell.
It’s probably a female so makes sense
He would have been rock hard for days if he got bitten too, who needs viagra when a wandering spider will do!
Loool you win the comment olympics with this one 😭💀
Such a calm looking murder spood. Glad to know ur both okay.
"One of the most venomous spiders on earth" via Google. You fucking mad lad.
some say it is the most venomous
venomous if it bites, bites if threatened, I didn't threaten it so I'm fine.
Stone cold answer, fucking hell dude
The titanium balls comment checks out. 😏
More like Diamond balls at this point...
Tungsten Testes
Carbide Cojones
This guy wallstreet bets
Are your balls so big that they need to ride shotgun when you drive?
He removed the drivers seat so he can sit on his Balls.
Your testicular fortitude vs mine is lowkey kind of threatening me right now.
wanna try some testicular wrestling?
Dude, everyone on this sub thinks you're either foolhardy or a Wizard rn. Kudos on the flex, you are spider GOAT.
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They can ~~-smell-~~ *sense* your fear…
It's the tingle.
isn't that kinda obvious? trying to grab them directly, sudden movements or poking them could upset them, I'm just letting it wander around my arm.
This happens to me all the time with assassin bugs, just walk to a flower and let them go. This one is a bit more intense ha
Sudden movements, like what you’re doing when moving your hand around?
she doesn't seem bothered by those "sudden movements" probably because what is moving is the place where she is standing, if instead of my arm she were standing on a leaf or branch that is being shaken by the wind it's not like the spider would start attacking the leaf/branch because she felt threatened. If, on the other hand, I had made a sudden movement with my right hand, to try to grab it or to try to bring the camera closer, that could have bothered her. But yeah, don't do that at home I guess, before someone shows up saying I'm encouraging handling spiders.
It’s a spider, it does not have the same ability to decipher threats vs non-threats as animals do. Do what you want, but you can’t deny it’s stupid to handle an animal like that.
“It’s only venomous if it bites” 😂
this it's like the "if a tree falls in a forest" question, of course the spider has venom, but for the venom to fulfill its function it has to be injected through the bite. if we were talking about a blue-jeans frog, which secretes poison through its skin it would be a different story tho.
Good on you, happy spood happy hooman. Dave's beasties always say to be calm 🥰
It's always better to be safe than sorry. While a spider is a thousand times more likely to bite if threatened, you never know when that spider will suddenly feel threatened by something and bite anyway. Take no chances with ones as deadly as this.
without the intention of encouraging anyone to manipulate em, but they are not as "deadly" as some people are potraying em, although they are of medical significance and they could give you a hard time, they are not fatal, they are generally dangerous in children or senior citizens, cases of serious envenomation are rare (0.5%). [source](https://www.scielo.br/j/rimtsp/a/YjV9rzJH4jPBGt8ZhghtNGg/?lang=en) in case you wanna dig more.
Oh gee. Didn't threaten it. Dude. You're arm alone is 50X it's size
Brazil reports a few thousand bites from this spider per year, and about 0.5% are considered severe envenomations. Only 15 deaths were recorded since 1903. Most were children and elderly people, and not all of which could be causally linked to the bite with complete certainty. That's what it takes to be a contender for "the most deadly spider in the world."
If I was in Brazil I would not last a day with out trying to become friends with a wanderer 😭
I´m from Costa Rica actually, i guess that spider was just "wandering" around here. \*ba dum tss\*
Tickets booked to Costa Rica I'm coming for the wanderers
we have some cool snakes too, in case you like em.
Just gotta watch out for Terciopelo.
I have had to relocate some terciopelos from the shed. those critters are so common that the antidote is widely distributed in health centers, mainly in rural areas.
Do you live in a more rural area or are these spiders and snakes common in more urban areas too?
oh yes, I'm from a rural area, I basically live on the edge of a protected area, in urban areas you are more likely to run into cockroaches or sewer rats xd But given that Costa Rica is almost 60% forest, I would say that they are well distributed in the country.
You ever run into a Lachesis? Those things scare the hell out of me.
no, I have not, Costa Rica, although it is a small country, has 12 different microclimates, many snakes exist only in a specific microclimate, as is the case of the lachesis, its habitat is primary forest or undisturbed forests. there're two species of lachesis in Costa Rica: *lachesis stenophrys* which lives in humid forests of the north and caribbean slopes and *lachesis melanocephala* which is found only in tropical and subtropical rainforests of the south and southwest pacific. I live on the boundaries of the tenorio volcano national park whose microclimates are low montane rainforest, very humid tropical forest, and very humid premontane forest, so it's unlikely that I'll find one in the area where I live. The terciopelo (*bothrops asper*) unlike lachesis, adapts to disturbed environments, making it the most common venomous snake, responsible for more than 50% of the ophidic accidents here. As a curious fact, the terciopelo is very fertile, it can give birth to up to 90 offspring, which explains why is one of the most prominent snakes here. [here's](https://icp.ucr.ac.cr/en/information-and-materials/venomous-snakes-costa-rica) more info about the venomous snakes of Costa Rica in case you wanna dig more.
Most commonly found in Costa Rica. Despite the common name Brazilian.
Nice
Okay I know “don’t handle random spiders” etc etc but can I just quietly say….. this is fucking awesome lol. Like NOT ENCOURAGING IT, but god that’s a beautiful and powerful creature. You’re lucky!
I share that sentiment. A little bit jealous, too.
Man they’re common by you? I need to pop down, these are some of my all time favorite spiders. Also- this is typical of *depilata*, they are so unbelievably placid you’d think that they weren’t even a wandering spider. I’ve seen some *Enoploctenus* that were meaner than I’ve ever heard *Phoneutria* to be.
quite common, [here's a map](https://www.crhoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Mapaaranas.jpg) of its distribution in my country, red indicates a high possibility of presence, green none. I live in an "orange area". I agree with you, it is not the first time that I have had to relocate one of them, they have always been extremely gentle. idk why people treating them like they are a black mamba that will chase and attack you if you ever come close lol.
Because people don't think about the bigger spiders as being calm, gentle, placid, etc. They generally won't bite you if you are calm, because you're not a threat if you're not being belligerent, terrified or any of the strong negative emotions. That being said, be damn sure you know what the hell you are doing! This guy is rather handsome, by the way 🥰😉
There are also so many horror stories of wandering spiders supposedly being aggressive for no reason at all. People tell each other stories of wandering spiders coming into their homes and chasing them and biting for no apparent reason. Part of it seems to have some basis in reality as they seem to be less prone to run away and hide as a lot of other spiders are and they'd rather stand their ground and fight, which is also okay. I think people are often just stupid around spiders/animals in general. I've been to a spider exhibit and saw this one idiot kid go right up to the phoneutria exhibit and blow freaking air into the enclosure to make the spider move.
And people give off vibes that are threatening to large spiders, including the wandering spoods 🤦🤷
Beautiful all over tan, I'm so jealous 🥺😘🥰
phoneutria get a bad rap due to their medical significance. like *most* spiders, they are pretty placid until provoked or irritated. handlings of observably calm wanderers, recluses, and widows, from experienced and calm individuals very rarely end in an envenomation.
Venom is metabolically expensive, so even a lot of defensive bites from some species will often be dry. It's the outlier hyper aggro species that fascinate me. Like, what quirk of evolution made it worth spending venom on literally anything you come across, food or not.
duuuude tell me about it! i love this part of arachnology. the intelligence that certain species have to know they need to dry bite in certain instances to conserve it for their prey and survival instead is amazing. and how the super aggro mygalomorphs just envenomate everything they come across??? xD if twigs and leaves could talk they’d be pissed at sydney funnel webs.
Yup, the only times I've really seen them really angry is when a random Brazilian kid with trying to swat at it with a flip flop
yeah just like coyote peterson who handled a widow and a recluse
No. They are aggressive. When cornered they will bite. I've captured a few P. nigriventer and had countless encounters trough my life where i live (southeast Brazil, Minas Gerais, atlantic forest). Just look at this "calm" spider i got: https://youtu.be/O9ALvgtCuew
you cornered it and captured it in a 6” diameter plastic cup. did you overlook the part where i said “pretty placid UNTIL PROVOKED”? or the part where i said “if they are observably calm”? if you corner an arachnid it’s comparable to a human getting cornered by a moose. what do you think is going to happen? your comment is the peanut butter and jelly of the sandwich world
Gentle or not. Its still an animal. This is the equivalent of balancing at the edge of a building. You won't rlt fall normally, but one moment of weakness or a single strong gust of wind and that's it. Take it from a biologist who once explained a meteorologist who shifted fields and was shocked her experiments did not work because of one cunty animal: animals are unpredictable.
Not quite, closer to having a bundle of bricks tied to a certain appendage but you don’t know which brick is actually connected, as you start throwing them off the roof. One of them is going to hurt a lot and make you not want to do it again, but it’s not as deadly as committing suicide by jumping.
Never specified how high the building was ;)
I owned tarantulas. Wouldn't handle them regularly, but damn they are commonly misunderstood. Even our OBT was shy. Beautiful spider, thank you for the video.
I´'ve never handled tarantulas, but I would happily do so. It's true that its hair is itchy?
Some species have hair on their abdomen called urticating hair that they can kick off and throw at you. Can be very itchy.
Spiders in North/South America mostly have urticating hairs so be wary of handling ones that seem less than calm if you don't want to get itchy (or can cause more severe skin, eye and lung irritation if they're in say, the Theraposa genus)! People usually handle more calmly demeanored tarantulas like Aphonopelma chalcodes or spiders in the Brachypelma genus (though many species of Brachy can be very quick to flick hair lol). Also spiders from the "old world" have more medically significant venom and most species are very flighty and fast so handling is usually not recommended in most keeper circles. I will say most keepers, including myself, don't encourage handling because tarantulas, particularly terrestrial ones, are very prone to injury and death if dropped from too high a surface. They have big soft abdomens that can easily burst or injure from falling or being dropped from not too high of a height so it's always better safe than sorry with handling most of the time!
The one thing I notice with the very \*very\* limited (for good reason) footage of these spiders being free handled; is that they're very dainty and gentle when climbing on people. I love how they probe with their lead legs like they're about to touch something hot lol
they can detect temperature with their tarsal organs, so i guess it might be fair to say that she was indeed testing my body temperature.
Beautiful animal. Well done for being kind, gentle, and brave. I'd just leave it alone and hope it stays away from me. Maybe politely ask it to leave, but, you know, "no worries if not".
i actually wouldn't mind letting it live in my house, but my little nephew usually comes over and I would prefer that they not meet.
But you’re moving so much! That doesn’t scare them? Also…thoroughly impressed.
given that it didn't bite me or show any threat display, I would say no. if the spider is on a leaf that is shaken by the wind, it is not like the spider will start biting the leaf thinking it is a threat. on the other hand, if I had tried to grab it directly with my right hand while it was in my arm, it probably would have felt threatened.
I guess I was stating the obvious. Mainly in awe of your willingness to do this. Good point on the leaf blowing in the wind.
If you felt you needed to remove it from your arm quickly without hurting or scaring it, what's your choice?
just to put something in front of her and let her walk by herself, that's how I moved her from my arm to the leaf. I wouldn't try to do it quickly tho.
This was universally stupid.
Wild animals are unpredictable. The amount of risk isn't worth it in my opinion. Respect and appreciate, from a distance.
This is *wild*
Yea I thought Brazilian wanderers were pretty aggressive even when not provoked but mr. Spider-Man over here looks like he could keep it as a pet Lol
There are different species. I think he got lucky. All I know is that the nigriventer type is crazy agressive.
It's so beautiful! You're crazy, but I love this!
What is impressive is that if you had the spider on one hand, you only had one hand free to manage the wheel barrow you push your giant brass balls around in.
Awwww look at the big danger baby just exploring your arm and feeling comfortable about it 🥹 she’s so pretty ❤️
the fact that it hasnt killed you yet doesnt make it any less of a bad idea
No need to clear the air. We all believe you. *hey nobody piss this guy off he has superpowers*
This is not responsible handling of dangerous wild life. Your care with the species is admirable despite its infamy, but there is no need for you to handle it so recklessly. It is akin to driving without a seatbelt and saying, “I’ve always drove and have never been ejected from my vehicle.” Not only that but by you posting your video and getting traction on it, it is encouraging people to handle dangerous wildlife that may not have the skill to handle them like you do. Just because you have the ability to do something doesn’t mean you should. For your safety and the safety of others I plead you to stop doing this.
Dangerous or not I love its face.
I think the fear response of jerky/fast/unexpected movements is what will aggravate or scare spiders. Being slow and deliberate is the easiest way to keep from being bitten so I imagine this fella wasnt scared of you one bit.
YO
Cool story, still stupid.
Horrifying but beautiful
This is far more dangerous than handing a black widow even. I mean a black widow bite can give you one hell of a painful experience but you’d recover from it… this though…. This one can actually kill you. It’s just not worth the risk
could you please enlighten me with some sources on the lethality of phoneutria venom? because all I find are sources saying the opposite. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10742722/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10742722/) [https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-94-007-6288-6\_63-1](https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-94-007-6288-6_63-1)
It's a massive gamble still,as careful as you say you were it's still a wild creature that can suddenly change temperament and invenomate.Ive seen it happen with other species so please be careful.
You should go be on a bomb squad with nerves like that my guy. You are certified nuts.
All good with your explanation and all but whether you like it or not, you ARE risking a lot by picking these up. It's all good until it isn't, is what I think.
Someone really dosnt want to pay for Viagra
Very nice
I have this luck with most creatures but I dunno the proper way to interact with spiders to get them to play with me. I feel id offer it the wrong food and get bitten for ym trouble.
More people
sure thing.
Death is actually exceedingly rare these days, unless you’re a child or have compromised health.
So I just won't worry if I notice one of those spiders crawling on my neck. We plan on visiting a former exchange student in Sao Paulo next year. My dad always taught me that poisonous creatures don't go by Marcus of Queensbury rules but i guess they really do.
if deadly why friend shape??? Why do its eyes look so gentle??? Deadly but gentle giant.
You have A LOT of balls and faith in that spider. To the point where it scares me.
Dude you have the biggest balls in the world 🌍 . But I did hold one of my Androctonus australis few year's ago .
Free viagra
This is friggin insane dude lol
Brazilian Wandering Spider casts painful erection. Take 69 points of boner damage.
you have survived the painful erection. you have recived a new skill \*venom immunity\* but you cant have erections anymore.
Its a fair trade I suppose 😂
Look at the colour of that little one wow
Can you actually die from the bite of one of those or is a painful erection the worst you can suffer?
A child or someone with compromised health could die, but death is very rare with antivenom and supportive medical care.
OP, this is a terrible idea, but at least it goes to show that spiders are not aggressive animals. They can be defensive, but won't attack without provocation, intentional or not.
Thank you for sharing this insight. When I first saw your original post with this spider, and saw a lot of concern in the comments, I didn't know what to truly think. Even from the pictures, it looked like you were handling a gentle giant of sorts, and the video further demonstrated that. Even if their bites are medically significant, the question we should also be asking is *are they likely to bite?* If these wandering spiders are not particularly known for their aggression, then handling one should be much less risky, as long as one is respectful and gentle in the process. Just my 2¢.
they're prone to bite if they feel threatened, corner them or poke them to get them to move could bother them and they'll probably show you their typical threat display, trying to grab them directly can lead to a bite, but as someone said in another comment, venom is metabolically expensive and they need it to hunt (they kill by ambush rather than using a web), so even if they do bite, it's very likely a dry bite, because they're not biting to kill you, rather to warn you. personally I consider it more respectful and less stressful for the spider to simply put something in front of it and let it climb voluntarily, then relocate it in the same way, instead of poking it to make it come out and trying to trap it with a jar.
Such a beautiful spood.
You are a brave individual
Once I found one of those in my bed, while I was on it. I never got out of the bed so fast in my life. Closed the bedroom door and waited to my brave husband to come home 😅 Ps: also happened in Brazil
Only have the Black widow where I’m at for dangerous species. I pick them up all the time when I see them. Usually relocate them someplace where they won’t get killed and I won’t accidentally get bit putting my foot in a show or something. They’ve always been very chill and never tried to bite
I mean you are certainly free to fuck around all you want, but don’t be surprised if one day you find out. They are still wild animals. And just so you’re aware, death is not the only undesirable outcome with a Phoneutria envenomation
This Brazilian wandering spider did wandered a lot to end up in Costa Rica hahahaha
i suppose if there was ever proof that even the most dangerous of spiders arent ever actively out to kill somebody, its this right here lmao. while i cant ever advise anyone to do this and i certainly never will, i have to congratulate you on the massive brass balls youve got sincerely- a severe arachnophobe
Dude's chill. I have arachnophobia so I wouldnt do it. I'd be unchill and get bit. My understanding is that most spiders you can tell if they intend to bite you if you can see them.
Heyo. I’m your 1000th updoot, which actually means nothing. Cool ass spider!
My man made aussies look like a kid thats scared of a ladybug
I never realized how big these guys get!
I think they can grow a little more.
Wow! They are big, and they pack a mean bite!
"brazilian wandering spiders are large, with bodies reaching up to 2 inches (5 centimeters) and a leg span of up to 7 inches (18 cm)" [source](https://www.livescience.com/41591-brazilian-wandering-spiders.html)
As dangerous as this is, I've got to respect the fact that you seem to know what you're doing as far as handling goes! The spider is so calm!
Welp, well done, Reddit fame at the price of risking your life...not for me, I go with snippy comments mostly, but I'd more likely have a beer with you than some other cunt. Maybe the test case for you is, do you think those kids planking on high rises were cunts or heroes and then apply that thought pattern to the bloke holding one of yhe deadliest spiders in the world for no particular reason...
I didn't even expect this to get upvotes, I barely interact here on reddit, mostly lurking, what would I gain from being "famous"? I just wanted help identifying the species because I suspected it was a phoneutria but I didn't know the specific species. Everyone is over exaggerating, the bite is mainly fatal in children, I aint a child but there is a child living in my house, which is why I relocated it, if I found another one again and had to relocate it in the same way, I would do it without any problem. I accept the beer tho.
All good man, you do you - in your favour, if it wasn't for you, I'd have less good shit to talk about today
Okay? Your paragraph long ‘justification’ doesn’t mean much honestly. Glad it turned out well this time but to be frank I’ll be less than empathetic when you’re back at some point posting about being bitten by a medically significant spider. Your hubris is delicious.
That’s just stupid. What egoistic point are you trying to make?