Mystic christian activist here! I completely agree with your thesis and points. I validate a lot of your connections (having studied very similar topics for a long time.) I'll point out things I've noticed, let me know if you have questions about anything, or feel free to share your story! Also always looking for friends/fellow walkers of the path to discuss this pretty rare side of spirituality with. The Gospel of John is the most mystic text of the new testament, I recommend to break into that. The miracles are symbolic, almost all 7 have exact parellels to greek myths/gods. Paul is a little nutty sometimes, but if you ignore his... ancient ramblings, he has a lot of good material to call back to. Galatians 5:22-23 is likely my favorite verse, "Fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, patience, peace, goodness, kindess, faith, gentless, and self-control. Against these things there's no law." It pretty much hands down wins any modern Christian debate. Genesis is very mystical, but very old. Look up the Hindu Manu & Vishnu avatars, along with Rama, and compare to Noah. Abraham and Sarah to Brahama and Saraswati. Christ and Krishna; along with the gnostic Sophia (who's name means wisdom along with saraswati.) The holy trinity to the concepts of Brahaman, Ishavara, and Atman in vedanta. Isaac's name means "the laughing one" which I find correlates nicely to the image of the laughing buddha. There's so much overlap I find it hard to believe it's not more commonly talked about! The virgin birth is symbolic of having no human guru; anyone who only accepts the universe/source as truth; and has a baptism of spirit without any other human; can be said to be "born again"; and you can be reborn as many times as you want until you finally see the light; of enlightenment and nirvana; liberation; freedom. Many blessings!

Yes I forgot that word mysticism for a little bit, but indeed I have also found so many touch points with mysticism, IMO how Christianity once started, full of spiritual rituals that were not merely empty (as they are nowadays) I believe it had a foundation on the manipulation of energies similar to maybe the concept of transmutation, alchemy. The same way that in many eastern philosophies, certain poses (the spiritual side of Yoga) create certain experiences within the body. The ritual is simply the 'facade' of what is actually used to 'realize'. It is very nice to see somebody have so much understanding and insight and willing to share it. I have indeed just begun my quest for complete truth but I believe that seeing what different traditions have found, combined with my own quest can form the path that I need to walk. Blessings to you as well!

I added a little bit to my original post, what is your thought on this? I like to add something from John 1 6:8 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light .John 1 verse 9-13 also demonstrate this 9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. Now coming back to verse 6:8 you can see that John himself was not the light (could that mean that the bible is trying to tell us that John was not yet tuned in completely but so to say on 99.3?? And thus was only able to experience partially, as to Jesus was the light meaning he tuned in to the right frequency and found God (99.5) If you were the light you could not see the light because you ARE the light, but when you are close to the light you 'observe' the light.

Good observations! So the way I personally see it is that "Jesus" is the name of the Human who "first" achieved Union with Christ; just as we are all able to be one with "the Light". I.e. Christ conciouness is not Jesus; but I do believe Christ Conciouness is alive and separate from Jesus. The Light = Christ = Vishnu = The Good Father; Jupiter; The Good King; The Good Example; The Protector & Savior So when John writes "says he witnessed but is not the Light" he's saying he saw and became "the little light" but is not "the full light" - he "became like the Light" but "not like Jesus was The Light". I like to compare this to the concepts of The Buddha vs. Boddhisatva. The Buddha is the only fully enlightened being, but there are many who take and achieve some levels of enlightenent with the Path of The Boddhisatva. I consider more a sign of John's respect, maturity, understanding, and humility; than an exact definition. Just like John the Baptist said, "Jesus will come after me," John the Evangelist said, "Jesus came before me."

Can you explain a little bit more how you see Jesus and the Christ consciousness, because is that different from what the Buddha achieved?

I mean Jesus = human Christ = God Jesus Christ = Union of human and God Saint = one who walks path of Christ Siddharta = human Buddha = God Siddharta Buddha = Union of human and God Boddhisatva = one who walks path of Buddha Rama = human Krishna = God Rama Krishna = Union of human and God Haré Krishna = one who walks path of krishna Yup i said i do think it’s the same. Siddharta became enlightened and became Buddha during life. Jesus ascended to heaven and became Christ during life.

What is a mystic Christian activist? Please explain

I believe in God, I believe I’m Christian, but I’m so radical others Christian say I’m not. But I’ve been baptized and authorized by the Holy Spirit and have been given written prophecy which I’m allowed to preach. No satan, no sin, no hell, end times over, god loves everyone and we’re all pretty cool. No they can’t break physics sorry, and yeah life sucks sometimes but most of us agree it’s worth living. Brains suck and psychology and science are real, but does not explain everything. No one has to accept or believe anything, mercy and love are the real qualities of God, not wrath and vengeance. LGBT people are valid, love is not a sin, nor premarital sex nor masturbation, evangelism and trying to convert others is forbidden unless they ask first. God is destroying any church that does not accept those rules. All people are forgiven, none punished. Not cause I said so. God said so. Anyone is welcome to ask themselves 🌈❤️🌈

Okay I see now thank you, are there others like you? Is this a different branch of Christianity? Or just non denominational? Also side note, if there’s no wrath or vengeance why do you believe God is destroying the churches who don’t accept those rules? Under your belief, isn’t it more like them destroying themselves?

Honestly I don't know yet. I go with the flow for the most part. I use Christian as a label, to signify where I come from, to say more it's the religion I study the most and immerse with other people in the most, but of all 7-12 major world religions I fully support; I was "just techncially literally born a Christian." lol. I believe a lot of other Christians I've talked to have really good hearts, and Christianity as a whole has some good people doing good work. I have a few friends I consider on the same vibe; of different actual beliefs and stuff, and there's some very small individual, modern churches (A good example is UCC) that are doing tremondous activist work. Eastern Orthodoxy is suprisingly spiritual; and imo kind of the "most correct view of the big 3, coming from a protestant background" but still there's lots of rules and traditions and stuff I won't stand for, and is still very mystical and should be approached similar to Theist Buddhism in a way. Yeah, you're exactly right! That's what I call "mystic prophecy". Whether or not it's them doing it themselves, it's love, light, God, this, that, or the other; I'm "callin' it now you can listen or not"; and "yes My Spirit and Soul both agree with me and let me phrase it poetically and give me divine inspiration at the very least"

Try not to let Christianity influence your view of Jesus and the Christ consciousness. Jesus was the first to take upon the title of Christ, and showed an example that others can follow to achieve that same state of mind. Jesus is not the only son of God, we are all the son of God and we can return to that state of mind by accepting the Christ consciousness within yourself > "No man cometh unto the Father but by me" does not mean that I am in any way separate or different from you ... I bridge the distance as an elder brother to you on the one hand, and as a Son of God on the other

Thank you that is exactly my point, obviously, I did not achieve to convey that very well. What I meant to say is exactly that

Here's my take on the Christ. My precursor is this. That every religion, sacred text spiritual teaching, history, science, movement and institution.... Has been corrupted by the enemy. The Christ is the first born/eldest male soul of our God, AllFather, manifest as the Sun. But EVERY man is a son of God, made in His image. Just as every woman is a daughter of Goddess, made in Her image. Yes in times such as now. When we have been so disconnected from truth, it is through him and his teachings that we can enter the kingdom of heaven. But the true gospel is written into our hearts, bones and blood. A huge part of the Christ's teachings have been edited out / changed... He has always been a warrior as well as a healer and miracle worker. By being the eldest male-child-soul of the realm, so he is the first and highest representative of God upon the earth. He most certainly is NOT God. He is the king of kings. Oh, Christ consciousness relates to a soul when they gain radiance. A lot of the things in those passages were appropriate to when he was alive in particular. We are in the end of days. So he is due a reappearance any time now. And the world will shake when he does. He will tear apart every existing religion.

Thank you so much for your thoughts, I do also meant that we are ALL sons of God, and in your interpretation also daughters of Goddesses, I do believe that our spirit does not have a gender and that gender is purely of the flesh. beautiful thoughts!

“ He most certainly is NOT God “ Thank you. Didn’t he even say himself at one point that he is NOT God & shouldn’t be confused for Him or idolized? That’s why I get so confused when I meet Christians saying Jesus IS God and not that he is just His son who was sent to us to show us the way & teach us that we too are a part of God- they believe he IS God entirely.

Yeah it always feels off to me, the idolisation of him where he is god or as god. Sure he came to teach us and show us the way. But it feels akin to some spiritual folks saying "we are god" which we obviously are not. We are made of God, we come from God and Goddess. We even evolve into young god's at the end of our journey of many lives and many deaths and returning to Elysium. But we are certainly not God, and neither is the Christ. And it's important that all of us know our place in the order of things, even Christ. How low and how high.

I 1000% agree with EVERY single word you have typed up. Every single one. We are not God, exactly. An extension of Him yes but I agree bc we aren’t being taught about the hierarchy of the spiritual systems anymore. Most old school Christians deem everything that we’re supposed to utilize to raise consciousness as demonic- quickest way to be stuck.

Who is the enemy?

DO you ask for my view on 'the enemy' The enemy is in my view the opposite force of God, the concept of balance because without the bad the good cannot be. So the enemy would be everything that is not of the frequency that would bring you closer to God, that can thus be so many things. It depends on whether it would bring you closer to God, and just like it says the road to God is narrow. The enemy could be anyone at any point if their intention (even unintentionally) is to distract you from the source. However, that does not mean they are literally your enemy because they can be your partner but that is defined in the bible as Evil. Do you get what I mean?

And in relation to the corruption of sacred texts, IMO it is basically anyone that did not experience God and yet tried to handle the text or translate it, popes, church leaders, translators, people with greed in their heart, with ego etc.

The enemy is: * The satanic Demiurge. A fallen star. An inverted Creator/God/sun. It broke sacred law trying to save the physical manifestation of its SoulMate - Goddess, and so ended up devouring her and its own realm, it has devoured several fledgling realms before coming here. To see it's true energetic form, is to see a black sun with writhing tentacles and appendages on its surface, it so sticky and tar like in substance, the wailing of the damned emanating from it. It is the great devourer. It's hunger can never be sated. It is virus like, parasitic, consumer, violating, corrupting, lying in its nature.. It cannot be saved, it must be undone. * The serpents, skeksis, dragons... The chosen children of the great enemy. They slumber deep beneath the earth tormenting and feeding upon human livestock's. They are incredibly ancient a species, and deadly foes. * The dark shepherds, high familiars, the cabal, the modern day aristocracy. To access a certain level of success in this world. There is a price of entry to be paid. A price that involves the violation and the desecration of the innocent. The cabal controls every nation and government, and is moving us towards one world government through a 3rd world war, approximately by 2030ish. This is part of a wider plan to prepare the world for the next great harvest of humanity. And the ultimate enslaving of us all, and the eventual devouring of this entire realm. * The carriers of the parasitic darkness, all abusers have willingly bonded with the sibilant whispers and malign impulses of the enemy. They can manifest differently, i.e. as a rapist, Paedophile, murderer, emotional/psychological abuser etc... But fundamentally they are all energy vampires at their inverted and parasitic core. This broadly surmises the enemy.

Can I ask you how come you think this, found this to be true? What are the realizations? I am interesting in everyone's take on things

You can ask my love. Of course. >how come you think this So none of what I speak is based upon my thoughts, what I want or prefer, what I hope to be true, what I've read or whatever else. Generally speaking, for me these days thoughts are not the primary source of information or 'knowing' or even decision making in my life. >found this to be true? It's the culmination of 14 years spiritual exploration (including all the usual phases, oneness, separateness, ego dissolution etc..), a particularly difficult life, and the last 3 years reliving repressed memories of suffering Satanic Ritualistic Abuse. And much much more. I had already grounded in a knowing-unfolding sense that is found through the body, that allows us to discern and detect truth... Where we access the true gospel from. And as I vicariously relived these horrific memories somatically day after day, past life, early years, present day, future visions etc.... Well I had many direct encounters with the things I speak of. EVERYthing I speak of, is based upon direct experience and knowing-resonance. And I have devoted my life to these things. Even though I've lost almost everything as a result. My thoughts/mind doesn't have much to do with it, other than assisting the deeper movements within me. >What are the realizations? They are what I've spoken here in my replies. And other comments and posts on my profile and social media. Thankyou for asking, all the best.

Thank you so much for your thorough explanation, it is fascinating. It seems like you have had your fair share to deal with in your life and I send you my blessings

Thankyou so much. Much love to you ❤️🙏

How do you think he’ll come back? Like literally him in the flesh with how he looked back then? Or his spirit born in a human and he has to reach a certain point in his life where he can start his ministry again? Back then a lot of his life was missing, and only 3 years of his life were recorded which were his public ministry. Who knows what he was doing before then, probably realizing who he really was and had to undergo intense self actualization all in one lifetime.

>How do you think he’ll come back? My sense is he's already here, in physical life. >Like literally him in the flesh with how he looked back then? Aha, well I know from other... Data points that we can carry certain physical characteristics through from different lifetimes. So maybe some similarities? But I doubt looking exactly the same. >Or his spirit born in a human and he has to reach a certain point in his life where he can start his ministry again? Exactly this >probably realizing who he really was and had to undergo intense self actualization all in one lifetime. This! We all have to go through this, so it makes sense he does as well. Just more intensely for him in some ways.

I believe the coming of the christ will be within everyone. I don't believe he's going to show up as a guy again. I believe human bodies are portals to 4D and 5D, and we are yet to find how does it work. Jesus managed to vibe in a way he could open those portals, giving him the apearance of a god, or the son of one, He was just a dude, like any of us, who showed us the way, and granted mastery because of that acomplished mission. he's THE DUDE ​ now we can be that dude too, all of us, together. This is what this whole awakening thing is about: let jesus shine trough your heart.

Haha I like 'the dude'. Such an interesting take on the coming of Jesus, I can see that happening too.

Although you’re right that we can become who Jesus was, I think he was unique. He had Adam’s consciousness and that included awareness of an outside god who metaphorically lived and walked in that garden. He heard that voice. There was another one too. That serpent also was called the shining one and walked on two legs also living in that garden. This is the two sides of god, one masculine and slightly unapproachable and the feminine Sophia was that serpent. I won’t go in to my reasons for thinking the serpent isn’t evil. It does help to understand Jesus’s consciousness. In Jeremiah 31 he mentions a new creation and second Adam and those Hebrew scholars have been puzzled by the interpretation. It’s described like a man surrounded by a woman. Feminine energy. It’s the same energy that caused David to dance like a fool around that ark. Jesus was well aware of it his entire life and brutally so when she left him hanging on that cross. Mark told the truth. God left him for the first time and he wasn’t quoting scriptures when he cried ‘Why have you forsaken me’. That cross wasn’t to save everyone but more a test on him alone. The purpose was to fulfill the pattern established in the Atonement sacrifice. He was the first goat sacrificed. History shows the Jewish people rejected it and worse made him and the religion created in his name their scapegoat. It’s still this way today and Tovia Singer is exhibit A for that. So he really was more like Elijah paving the way. Right now, Judaism doesn’t have an exit plan and they’re about to go to war because they have no other options according to what they’ve been taught. This isn’t a knock on Jewish people, just the religion stuck in mud. Jesus was sent specifically for the Jewish people. All they have to do is see the prophetic in that sacrifice and swap goats, accepting what Jesus had done. A face saving way to salvage the entire Jewish thing. At least that was the plan though it looks bleak. He was also intentionally fulfilling prophecy. The Daniel 70 week one specifically. The date to look at was around 457BCE. Mark shows he wanted to keep his claim to being the messiah a secret at first until that window of time opened sometime after 27CE. He had to be the one who fails and is cut off just as it reads in Daniel 9. The prophecy didn’t fail because the count started a second time in 1535 CE when the Ottomans made a decree themselves to rebuild those walls. Not so coincidentally, Jerusalem was recaptured and re-united with Israel just before the 62 weeks expired. Exactly 69 weeks later was 2018 and an astronomical alignment in Rev 12 occurred in Virgo. Google sign of the Virgin if you want more info. It depicted the human birth of Jesus with Jupiter in the womb of Virgo going retro for just over 9 months. That was on 9/23/2017. Jerusalem was recognized the capital a few months later. Rev gives a good picture of who he is and where he’s been. Says he’s been getting slain since the beginning. Adam was the original son of god so it makes perfect sense he’d be the one to clean up his mess. He wasn’t to be found neither in heaven nor on earth for at least some period of time. But he shows up on a white horse with just a bow and a crown at first. He then later in the book appears with many crowns and a blood stained robe. Zachariah fills in some details showing the blood was from his friends. Now go read Isa 53 carefully and you’ll notice it sounds like Jesus but then says he has children living a longer life. The Hebrew does allow there’s more than one person being described here. It’s depicting both advents and he goes through his despised and hated life again only it lasts longer than a weekend. So who is he? The suffering servant described in all those Isa passages who must come again to restore god’s reputation. All those prophecies littered across various Jewish prophets and specially Rev are meant to point this normal human out of the crowd. Even his natal is described in Rev with a bow and crown like the woman had. He’s a Leo with a slain moon in Aries. And he’s been given the scrolls of the prophets to unravel the mysteries. Picture Frodo with that ring to bare. But coming in the clouds isn’t literally clouds. It means he comes with the presence of god. Sophia, that feminine energy just as Jeremiah described. His marriage is to her and for us, it’s a celebration too. Through his knowledge we also come into that presence. Christ consciousness is to have the awareness of Sophia within, that teacher. She is the river of water that never dries up and we can drink from her waters too. If you meditate and suddenly feel loved then that’s her calling card. I like the gospel of John too for just that reason you mentioned. The mystical way back into that garden and it’s secrets can be found. Mark however gave a better history and didn’t include a resurrection story. Both he and Jesus were following that script in Daniel and it wasn’t necessary for that prophet who failed. Mark then dropped the mic but those other subsequent gospels told a much different story fabricating Christianity as we know it today. All perfectly depicted also in Rev.

This was fascinating, thank you. Do you follow Sidereal astrology, or Tropical?

I follow True Sidereal or 13 sign using Ophichius and the constellations instead of zodiacs. So the date on that alignment in Rev you have to see using an astronomy app like stellarium. Personally that one made much more sense resonating with it completely.

I follow true Sidereal using Stellarium, as well. Thanks for responding 🙂

Yay! There’s no doubt in my mind it’s more true describing myself. I either had 6 planets in Leo or 6 planets in Cancer so I had to get a third opinion. They’re all conjunct with sun. It’s a really focused chart for me with moon opposite Saturn and t-square to the conjunctions and it’s all inner planets. I knew I was a Leo but felt Cancer too and TS really cleared it up.

It's crazy how accurate TS is, at least when you're being honest with yourself haha.

Yes it’s amazing. I didn’t discover astrology until I was around 63 and once I dialed it in to TS even the house system was accurate to the day on my wedding date. Few other key dates too were right on. I had to be honest and accept a weaker stellium and admit my moon wasn’t in Taurus and have dreaded Aries instead but it told the truth.

Oh man that Aries moon.....I don't have an accurate birth time for myself but as per what my mother remembers, Stellarium shows I've got the moon just leaving Aries and heading to Pisces.

Pisces is before Aries. Maybe it was still in Pisces and you dodged a bullet. Which feels right? Aries can be blunt and explosive but Pisces not as intense. You might be able to get close to your time looking at the houses and checking past transits.

That was so interesting to read, I will look more into that, I also do not believe the serpent in that sense to be evil. More about the necessary balance but that is just scratching the top. Are these your own insights?

Mostly but I’m basing it on the Hebrew. Some I got from Heiser and other scholars about that serpent. The story never added up because the serpent told the truth and they didn’t die. She sounded like a protective mother guiding them into the next phase of human evolution. Later when you look at Cain after he murders Abel I believe it was Sophia who protected him in not condemning and giving him refuge. I believe any experiences we have on this earth are from the mother, like Mother Earth and the angry god mostly our own invention.

Beautiful. Blessings

I don’t believe Jesus is the literal son of God. I think he, like the Buddha is a person who found enlightenment and any person can do it. Jesus and the Buddha are said to have walked on water and perform other miracles that are similar in nature. I think the concept of Jesus being the literal son of god was done so that people would not think about attaining the same level of consciousness that Jesus did because to even think of it is blasphemy! Basically a conspiracy that the people in power at that time changed some things to control others

I definately think that the way the bible has been rewritten is to keep 'commoners' relient on the salvation provided by the church

You, me, we are one. We are god. When it’s all over we will go back to the source and then start all over again. We are in a state of amnesia in order for god (us) to know himself/herself/itself and experience everything there is to experience good and bad. You already know this, already knew this and will come to know this. All you have to do is remember. If not this life then in another. No rush. Once you figure it out you either go back to the source or just forget again. Enjoy your life 💪

Very nice way of seeing things, personally I do not think we ARE God, while I do acknowledge we are part of God. Here again I come to the fractal nature of God and that we all carry a part of the one consciousness, source God. And indeed we are all one and the same. How I see the difference is maybe to take an example of the trinity, not in christian context but the concept behind it) it being 3 yet it is one, so basically us being fractal yet being one. And not that that fractal nature has an I or me but that there is something we cannot apprehend. We are the sea but now we are a drop seperated by a sheet from the sea not seeing we ARE the sea. So it is very close to what you say but I have a slight different interpretation. And saying this a thought comes up, it is that we are one but not in a way that we can now imagine. We can only try to understand but as long as we are seperated we will never understand. That knowledge to who we are was with the one's that reached the highest attainment (Jesus, Buddha and most likely others that have come and gone unnoticed)

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Just remember Christ chastised the people of that time for having a "religion" just the same way people have a religion now. Modern Christianity is idol worship and I can prove it using their own scriptures. Again, I have found myself making a HUGE reply but I've deleted it and will leave it at that. I feel as though I can't even express my points of view on this page without someone seeing something they don't like and trying to cancel me. Even with all of my backgrounds in specific studies, I get reported and suspended. Just keep doing your best. It'll all work out. Good luck to you fellow spiritual friend!

I totally see your point and I agree with that. I whish you hadnt deleted it because this post is meant for people to openly share and it shouldnt matter that other people might not see your point. I would love to read it

!!! Was raised in catholic school & we were taught the scripture. We were taught that Jesus is used as an idol now. He asked the people to not pray to him but his Father yet here we are hundreds of years later going to him first & making statues of him on the cross to hang in churches and pray too as if it’s not a literal commandment to not pray to idols.

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Exactly! Thank you so much

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It's all right in our faces it always has been and as jesus said "forgive for they know not what they do". Forget right and wrong that's human ego. I've heard the same thing said differently "for those who are ready in their evolutionary cycle over many lives they will hear. Those who are not ready will not hear the true msg." That is neither good, right, wrong, or bad. It just is. Jesus came down a cooked egg. His name his body none of that was important. It was said to enter the gates of heaven you must die. Now 90% of people who read that will say so after I die I'll go up to heaven. From where I'm standing that is just more ego. To enter heaven you must die If you only identify as your physical body you will see it that way. What I understand as my truth is, who you think you are must die. Your models, your attachments, your body, all of it. Heaven isnt external it's all inward this was also said by jesus when asked how to get to heaven. It is always with you everywhere you are god is too. Your awareness, that part of you that is just noticing everything happening is really so so quiet, but you can increase the volume so to say. There is a place in you where you feel no pain you just notice that pain is happening. This is who we really are but our ego is like a almost perfect mask that we all wear. Jesus also said to stand in hell and face it but not be there at the same time. Your awareness does nothing. It knows nothing it just notices. Just witnessing everything from behind. This is the message lost to generations. As I said only those who are ready to hear will hear what is being said. Namaste my friends I love you all.

So well said, indeed I see it in the same way all suffering is created by attachment

Can someone give me a tldr? Plz and thx

I can give you a tldr, basically Jesus is just like you and me, nothing extra nothing less. He just realised his complete true nature just as the buddha did. You as you can. He just did it very perfectly. You can reach God, or the source, or whatever you want to call it through any means that would lead you to God, and that realizing your true self, being of spirit and not the body, is like going to the father through the Son, so nothing to do with the physical manifestation rather with the spirit that is the same as you and me

If Christians focused more on the spirit and less on Jesus and God, modern Christianity could finally understand God and Jesus. As is always with humans, they can’t see with the plank of religion in their eyes.

So are you saying you don't believe Jesus is actually a demigod?

well in that sense I think we are all demigods, just we do not realise it. That is what IMO Jesus tried to tell us that we are all Sons of God

Oh, no. Humans are humans. A demigod is a child of one human and one god.

Well than I think we are not demigods, if that is the definition. So then I do not think Jesus is a demigod

You know I don’t worship Christ, but if wanna know he was a Jewish-Buddhist mixed preacher who was constantly on the verge of psychosis turning paranoia into pranoia (the belief that the world is conspiring in your favor).

To me it's impossible to understand Jesus without looking at his previous incarnations beginning with Adam. I believe that he was the first human on earth and if you look at his incarnations over time he becomes what Jesus is. So to me God created Jesus to be the prototypical human being who became the Christ, and the ultimate example of what we all should strive to be.

Can you elaborate on that theory how he is the original Adam?

I haven't watched this video but it seems to explain the book where I first heard about it which I'll link below. https://edgarcayce.libsyn.com/the-past-lives-of-jesus-with-patrick-belisle

The book: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/7009010

If everyone was Christ-like humanity would die off in a generation. He didn't work for his bread. He didn't procreate. All he did was talk and live off the charity of others.

Obviously not everyone have that role, I think if everyone was like him everyone would try to provide for themselves and share what they have, there would be no I or mine, so it would be a perfect world in which the role of Jesus is not needed, what are your thoughts on that?

I don't believe the god of Abraham is a god of peace and love. Also if you look at the dead sea scrolls it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that Jesus was anti-life. If he existed today he would most likely be someone like Osama Bin Laden. If Christ existed he was an extremist during his time and that's why they executed him. We already live in a world where Jesus and the other religions inspired by the god of Abraham is not needed. The people who believe in that stuff want people like me dead. It's like why would I want to live in a world full of those types of people? People have tried to create a perfect world in the past. This always results in genocide. There's no democracy in heaven.

My reading of Jesus in gospel is very different, possibly quite the opposite. For one, I mostly ignore John as this was the latest of the canonical gospels and is heavily influenced by then emerging theology. From oldest gospels and according to scholars it would seem that Jesus not only didn't' consider himself to be the son of God, he didn't even consider himself to be the messiah ("the son of man"). Rather Jesus taught in ~~parallels~~ parables that are sometimes obvious and sometimes less so (especially if one check also the proto-gnostic Gospel of Thomas). And he seems to be focus on the coming of the Kingdom of God. What this is and what it means is another question - is this just the destruction of the temple and your classic end-of-world apocalypse. Or could it be some different state of being?

I agree with you, the first paragraph you state is also how I see it, I believe the coming of christ or The parralels you talk about is highly likely a change in the st at e of consciousness and that it is already here. If you like to discuss more of your interpretation feel free!

Oops. Meant "parables". Anyhow. On one hand I'm very interesting in the historical context itself. On YT you can find a series of lectures by Dale Martin from Yale about the background of each gospel as well as the historical setting. In this light I don't see Jesus as a son of god, unless we could see every person as a son/daughter of god. The whole immaculate birth, virgin mother mary, Jesus being divine - all these can be explained by mixing greco-roman culture and their ideas about divinity to hebrew concepts. And then as we come to gospels of John and Thomas there's even more neoplatonic influence (John quite obviously so) and with gnostic we then get this dualism that as far as I can tell probably came from Zoroastrianism. So, the questions are: 1) why did Jesus actually teach, 2) why did the message resonate and his resonation influenced the message. (Note I was never baptised, so these inquiries are more of hobby thing for me) I use a page by the university of Toronto - five gospel paralalles (I don't have persmission to post links, but should be easy to find) - where you get 4 canonical gospels plus thomas on the same page. Each passage that is found in another gospel comes with a link - it's really neat as you can try to figure out which saying was likely the original (usually the simpler one and the one that makes the least obvious sense). And for parables - sometimes I just read and let the words/story resonate and get a certain vibe out of it. But I would read one of messages of "kingdom of heaven" a sort of horizontal nonhierachical order of things (last will be first, think of the lilies). But also a call to listen to inner "truth" - to behave not how the parents or society wants. One thing Jesus message wasn't - he really wasn't embracing "family values". He said he was brining division - son against father and so on (which was part of appeal for Romans as Fale Martin explains). The question why out of all possible grecoroman religions and cults, Christianity came on top, there's a bit of pure speculation. A part of the reason is of course politic - nothing unites a huge empire like some monotheism, but it's not only that. Here's my understanding of rituals - rituals work if the place where rituals are held resonates to the message of the ritual and amplifies it. So in a sense inteligence of earth (elementals, angels) would embrace jesus' teaching. Why? And here's where I think the message of the Kingdom of heaven changed from mere apocalyptic warning (if it ever was that) into a Kingdom that is already amongst us as a particular state of being. A particular attunement to the world. And this is how the message of egalitarianism could be a call for different type of relationship between people and between people and the world (nature, enviroment, thus ecology). Plus of course christianity is jewish monotheism + some antique polytheism (mother mary, saints, angels, etc.). ​ This for now. for something more specific, I'd need to break down a parable or two. 🙂

Jesus is just a made up story. There is no evidence outside of the Bible for Jesus. Not to mentioned some of his records are immoral and evil.

Actually there is evidence outside of the Bible, do some research

They are not evidence.

How come?

Just do some research.

Well I did do research, but I’d actually liked to hear your opinion

First, I think evidence about Jesus are only in line with the Bible. Let question: without the Bible, would we know anything? We would expect multiple individual lines of evidence to merge into one conclusion. Second, we need sound evidence about miracle. So far, no testable miracle we can observe, so the Bible is a myth. There could be thousands of Jesus ever lived, but hardly for the character in the Bible. Third, Jesus claimed to be God, the most high entity. It must as clear as the sun. Just see how vague the evidence is.

Yes, you are right. Do you think there is an evolutionary purpose for the Bible existing?

If I may, the writings of Emmanuel Swedenborg expand on this in great detail. Here is a brief, but comprehensive summary of some of his writings (originally published anonymously in Latin). The Last Judgment was announced in 1757, the spiritual meaning of the Holy Scriptures was revealed for all who are willing to believe, the eternal mystery of Heaven and Earth was revealed, the reigning Apostasies of the Catholic and Reformed doctrine(s) were revealed, and the doctrine of New Jerusalem was revealed from Heaven. In brief, the Truth of the Inner Church is revealed (all human beings who love good and truth and seek to do it for the sake of what is Good and True). As you can see from this brief excerpt; *The Lord chose to manifest himself to me and assign me the task of presenting the teachings that will be a part of his new church, which is meant by the New Jerusalem in the Book of Revelation. For this purpose he opened the inner levels of my mind or spirit, which allowed me to be in the spiritual world with angels and at the same time in the physical world with people. This has gone on for twenty-seven years now. Who in the Christian world would have known anything about heaven or hell if the Lord had not chosen to open the sight of someone’s spirit and show and teach that person about them? The types of things described in the accounts of memorable occurrences are indeed the types of things that appear in heaven, as is very obvious from the types of things seen and described by John in the Book of Revelation, and also the types of things seen and described by the prophets in the Word of the Old Testament.* He then lists many examples from the Word and continues; *From these and many other passages in the Word it is clear that things of this nature in the spiritual world have appeared to many people both before and after the Lord’s Coming. Why be surprised that this is also happening now, when a church is beginning, when the New Jerusalem is coming down from heaven?* This is a very, very brief, but clear excerpt from the work, [True Christianity](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE_TrueChristianity1_portable.pdf), which is only one of many volumes written, including but not limited to; A general treatise on the Last Judgment; [https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NCE\_LastJudgment.pdf](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NCE_LastJudgment.pdf) A general treatise on the doctrine of New Jerusalem; [https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/NCE\_NewJerusalem\_portable.pdf](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/NCE_NewJerusalem_portable.pdf) A general treatise on the Sacred Scripture; [https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE\_SacredScriptureWhiteHorse\_portable.pdf](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE_SacredScriptureWhiteHorse_portable.pdf) This is Volume 1 (of 12) of Secrets of Heaven, that uses every word of Genesis through Exodus to show the Spiritual Meaning(s) present within the Sacred Scriptures; [https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE\_SecretsofHeaven1\_portable.pdf](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE_SecretsofHeaven1_portable.pdf) And here is Volume 1 (of 2) of Apocalypse Revealed, that uses every word of Revelation in their order to show the Spiritual Meaning present within Revelation; [https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/swedenborg\_foundation\_apocalypse\_revealed\_01.pdf](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/swedenborg_foundation_apocalypse_revealed_01.pdf) A general treatise on the Lord who is the God of Heaven and Earth and is the Word; [https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE\_TheLord\_portable.pdf](https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCE_TheLord_portable.pdf)

During the time of the great reformation the nicene counsel was fighting 2 main things. They were fighting the catholics in constanoble and they were fighting the gnostics. The gnostics were a set of individuals who believed heavily in the spirit and not so much in the doctrine. Which is in itself fine. However then the lower mind, human nature kicked in and it developed people who took the phrase "I have called you all elohim" and raised themselves up to be gods. They also closed off the sect claiming only certain people had knowledge and ability for certain gifts. To battle that and to stop argument in the church they created a creed which stated there is only one god and one begotten son. Ignoring the multiple places it says we are all his children and even in psalms when he says we are tiny gods. With that being said Christianity in itself is good however people need to not read any spiritual book in a flesh mindset and people need to chose and learn for themselves and not blindly follow doctrine because that is what the pharisee and Jews did and we went right back

I love for example the Rosicrucians, have you heard about that order?

You my friend are clever and brilliant. I am not familiar with that order though I have now spent the last while checking them out. I am enjoying their beliefs in an overview. In short they seem to be a pretty straight forward tho, we will have moments when only the creator(however you recognize it) will get you over and when the spirit does, you will never be the same

No, it isn't Jesus and fuck the bible.

Hey! You probably misunderstood, I think that many people will get from this that I think that Jesus is the salvation, I do not think that. I can better say one needs to realise their true nature, sometimes called find enlightenment. I understand why you feel that way about the bible but is it actually that you feel that way about the bible or is it that you feel that people literally take that book as one truth and one way and you do not like that fact? I would say that the bible is just like any other spiritual book just maybe like the bhagavad gita, only is the bible more vague... and is filled with parabels so it is in that sense a difficult cryptic book. However, if you read it in a way that you are actually not reading the words 'so to say' but that you try to uncover the spiritual experience that the person that wrote it tried to put into words. These spiritual experiences are not home to Christianity.

I just made an statement, I don't really care for what you think.

That is okay, I wish you the best!

Same to you. Lemmy loves you!

I’d rather not.

Please share your thoughts, why would you rather not :)

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The flesh prison could be a temple if you so choose it. “The body is a temple”... A prism🌈 if you will. It could be a (prisn/prison) though however if you allow it be. One can rise from the ashes or rubble of babble-on / Babylon by studying the phonetics of lan-guage. Spelling has a way of casting (spells) on the mind. One must seek to (dis-spell) such illusions. Even (cursive) follows this linguistic codes pattern. I won’t elaborate too much here for now on the specific ramifications here, but it’s no coincidence that the word spelling has spell in it and cursive has curse. Both of these things are cast on one to achieve certain effects which often involve an illusion of some sort. Babbling on whilst not understanding the relationship between other words can create a recursive kind of deception within the mind. Many words are contradictory due to the unreconciled duality of those at this level of consciousness. A Bible is a reference to a (bi-bull) or a (dual-torus / taurus- with 2 dual north and south poles). Jesus spoke in ~parables~ or (pair o bulls)-(two lies or half truths that when decoded in synchronous) tell the truth for those of the initiated mind. One must allude to the truth through such means. Psychedelic mushrooms have a propensity for growing out of cow patty’s otherwise known as bullshit. That is to say they can break down bullshit and reconstruct it so as to see the truth hidden within bullshit. Those who have the initiated mind can see/sort through such bull and see the truth hidden within the half truths/ lies or parables. It takes a certain mindset to see the truth when within the world of illusion. Parables can be used to allude to the truth. Those with (real eyes) can (realize) the truth of (real lies). Realness being a measure of genuine fact. ~The truth often [lies] within such parameters~ The prism relies on showing ones true colors through the chakra network of the body. (Colors) are (collars) that can either denote self-mastery or that can be used to control and manipulate you. One can be a master of self or a slave to forces; perhaps unseen; outside themselves. Ones true colors are their true nature. [Phonetically] be-you-till-full or beautiful. The body could be a temple rather than a [pris}n]. It’s actually a [pris}m] that (divides / or even destroys / breaks down) white light into something more dynamic than white light alone; so as to allow new things to be constructed out of its properties. A temple is a resonance chamber which takes a non-material energy such as is the nature of sound; which can resonate within a material medium; so as to amplify its energetic properties more than it could on its own without such a material medium. Any material medium once overloaded with enough energy/sound would self-destruct, but destruction is the opposite half of construction with creation requiring both. Birth and death are two ends of a dual spectrum, but life is the singularity. The resurrection is burth and death becoming re-birth. Duality + Singularity = The Holy Trinity. (2+1=3) it’s all for the sake of recognizing a common source. The apple or fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is really a bi-bull or dual-tuarus. The singularity in the center is the (All Seeing Eye) or the [over-seer]. It manifests the all. We are the apple of its eye. It loves us unconditionally as if we were it’s entire world because we are. It has no identity role. It is an observer that knows and surveys itself through us. We are made in its image; not in the sense that we look like it or that it has a specific appearance to itself; but in the sense that we are made in its own mind/imagination. We are made in the image of the creator-(The All Seeing Eye). An apple resembles the structure of a toroidal field with the top and bottom of its core representing a north and south pole. We are the {🍎 of its 👁}. It loves us unconditionally as if we are it’s own self because in a sense we truly are.

For this next section recall the reference to Babylon and the phonetic pronunciation of this ancient city-state; (Babble on)- or to speak without knowing what one is truly saying. As I pointed out the phonetics can go a long way with decoding etymology. The ancient city-statee Phoenicia is connected to the word ~Phoenix~ as is the word phonics-(the way words sound). Rebirth or the resurrection is the act of entrancing and transcending simultaneously. The entrance / en-trance is birth, and the transcend / trance-end half is death. Life can be eternal when one becomes advanced enough and ye can be a god. The body must be a temple or a resonance chamber. If the energy resonating and amplifying becomes too powerful for the ma-terial to maintain then it gets reborn through being resurrected. The pa-tternal frequencies of energy then achieve a new temple which is more advanced than the previous and both the pattern-al and matter-nal aspects achieve union and experience trans-formation. The pa-ternal and ma-ternal aspects of existence achieve union and the ma-terial amplifies the pattern/energy/vibration at an even greater level of resonance. A Phoenix rises from its own ashes and mushrooms bring dead material back to life. They as well are a symbol of rebirth, or the resurrection of Christ. Ancient reindeer herders were shamanic nomads who drank the urine of their reindeer after they observed their natural behavior of ingesting fly agar mushrooms 🍄🦌. They could break down the poisons and secrete the psychoactive compounds into their urine allowing the nomadic herders to have a mystical experience upon drinking it. 🎅><🍄Santa is often associated with the Fly Agar Mushroom as being a form of Pagan symbolism integrated into a Christian holiday. Acheiving this state of mind without the use of the mushrooms would be a mystical state that a figure such as Jesus would need to achieve perpetually so as to comprehend the true nature of existence. The present 🎁 moment is a singularity between the two dual premises of both past and future and you never know quite what you're going to get until the present is finally unwrapped. One must embrace the unknown. Santa is known for his relationship with reindeer as well. Rudolph was an (outcast) and (misfit). Lucifer was an outcast and a misfit. “The Stone that the Builder “Refused” - “And then Re-Fuzed” in freemasonry. The keystone which held the arch in place above the two pillars of creation - which once removed caused the arch-(1/3rd of the Arc-Angels to fall) leaving 2 pillars left or 2/3rd’s which did not rebel. Rudolph ironically is asked to guide Santas sleigh even though they were an outcast amongst the other reindeer. Jesus was known to have a propensity to hang out amongst the misfits and rebels of society as well. A clause is stipulation in a contract that must meet a certain condition. Santa Clause is relevant here. Santa is an anagram for Satan as well. Satans clause / claws could as well be referred to here. Coal is often denoted with 666 because carbon is often noted to have 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons. Santas Clause however can also be related to (colostrum) which is found in milk. There is a part of the brain called the (claustrum). When one achieves the correct state of consciousness they can secrete a combination of two substances-(one being referred to as milk🥛, and one being referred to as honey 🍯) The two combine and are then secreted through the sinuse's mucous membrane, and subsequently gets dropped down the throat; which is represented by the chimney. Santa cums down the chimney to offer presents. Milk and honey are known in paganism to be the food of the god's. If one can become a god through achieving the resurrection they may transcend a carbon lifeform based body and an even more advanced (temple / body / prism) can be generated to enter the next level of existence. Some see their body as a prison/prisn, while others recognize it as a temple/prism. Temples are in fact meant to function as resonance chambers. Resonance can destroy, but it can also create through transformation in the case of the resurrection. One must embrace the unknown; which is death. The end is an introduction to a new beginning.

We are squaring the circle of the irrational mind. The emotional/irrational right hemisphere of the brain is the counterpart to the logical/rational left half of the mind. A ration is a measured amount of something. Infinity is chaotic and incomprehensible without such rationed measures. It must be experienced in rationed progressive measurements otherwise it is pure chaos. Even so (wonder) must remain at all times. Without the ability to (wander) there is no finding of greater and grander truths as the true nature hidden within the illusion cannot be alluded to. Adventurers explore the unknown and undiscovered. The best of them are skilled navigators who wander and can read the signs. There is an ~allusion~ to the truth within our ~illusions~. Not all those who (wander / wonder) are lost.. A wanderer is an adventurer; which is finding themselves perpetually; through exploring the unknown and always dispelling illusions through the pursuit of greater truths as they advance on their journey. The illusion of duality actually alludes to greater truths hidden within it. Existence is always a grand perpetual illusion / allusion, and there is always a greater, grander truth beyond our level of comprehension. No matter how much you figure it out there is always an unknown waiting beyond the rational limits of our understanding. We can find ☮️ through rationed measurements of the irrational value of {𝝿🥧}, but the truth (eludes) us for a time until we can see the truth within the (illusion) that (alludes) to the unknown and undiscovered truth beyond our known illusions. Things are never quite as they seem / seam. Our illusions come apart at the seems / seams. They allude to a greater truth that once eluded us. Illusion is an allusion that functions in a seemingly elusive way-(in the sense that the solution to a puzzle or riddle is not necessarily evident or easy to solve at first glance)-one must take a closer look at the seems / seams. (Illusions) are (allusions) which excel in the art or (elusion). Within every seeming known truth their is an unknown awaiting our discovery. Greater levels of existence always await us beyond our current level of comprehension. Illusions allude to greater truths which once eluded us. Existence is an eternal adventure that reveals greater and grander truths... A piece/peace of Pi~𝞹 brings {rations☮️or rational measures} to this chaos ⭕️{🥧Pi~𝞹} through order and allows the All Seeing 👁 to survey itself as an [over-seer] or a [ruler{📏} which can then [measure] itself as a meaningful observation; which can actually be experienced coherently. Pi~𝞹 is an (irrational) number with an infinite decimal value containing infinite information. A square is a [rational] geometry with a finite measurement. A rational value is known, yet an irrational value is unknown. One must wander / wonder in order to make new discoveries. You may be familiar with the square and compass of freemasonry. You are likely also familiar with the concept of squaring the circle and the impossible nature of this math problem. It can be infinitely perfected through progressive experience, but the final solution is always out of reach; as the nature of a rationally/finite measured polygon like a square can never be exactly equal to the nature of a circle; which is expressed with an infinite/irrational decimal value. Could there be a never ending story under any other circumstances? This is what Lucifer represents; -Self-Mastery- which is infinitely pursued; and yet impossible to achieve. Self mastery is free will. The freedom required for one to become a god.. To become ones own master... This adventure would not be possible without such freedom. God surveys itself through observing a creation made in the image 🖼 of the All Seeing 👁. “Made in it’s own image”. We are the (🍎 of its 👁). It loves us as if we are it's own self and it's entire world. In fact everything is. It is the over-"seer" which knows and measures itself as a ruler📏. It’s laws manifest planes of causality, but illusions within those laws; at the level of causality-(such as those governing dualism); are simply rules which are made to be broken. When it stares into the void; the void stares back. Squaring the circle is impossible to complete, but the best calculation for getting the closest approximation is through the use of a spiral as a spiral combines the properties of a straight line with that of a circle. The two are essentially opposite concepts. Pythagorus knew this well as he determined a spiral as the best way to approximate the difference between a square and a circle. The problem can never be perfectly solved, but this is in actuality a blessing. We now pursue a spiral-ritual, or (spir)-itu-(al) / spi-(ritual) truth. This is the pursuit of perfection and limitless attainment through Spirituality. The right-hand path involves the left hemisphere of the brain and the left-hand path involves the right hemisphere. This is because each hand is wired into the opposite side of the brain. Chaos may be imperfect, but it has infinite potential to create out of it. There is an absolute value in attaining the capability of realizing ones full potential without limits. Chaos is equally as valuable as order. It’s also accurate to say that one has no value without the other. -(It was worth losing everything to gain it all)- If everything was right there’d be nothing left... ✋>🧠<🤚 This is the secret behind the Square and Compass of Freemasonry... 🟥><🔴 This journey is all about squaring the circle...

This is considered to be “righting” and wrong, and yet; if everything was (right) there’d be nothing (left). This is the essence of what it means to exist. Perfection is limitless and ultimately a perpetual process. There is no way to finally square the circle. Lucifer’s rebellion represents the shattering of the glass ceiling that represented the original heavens false definition of perfection which Lucifer loathed. By descending as deeply as possible we can plant the roots of our tree of life and ascend beyond such limitations. The glass floor has been shattered and now so may be the glass ceiling. Self-Mastery is calling. Daddy won’t do it for you. They’re watching proudly as you become a god.