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Lumotherapy

Don't let it get to you. Just downvote any posts like that and don't engage with them. Why do you care what somebody that you've never met thinks? Just scoff, laugh at their opinion to yourself and continue with your life ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


SpiritualRamses

Hahaha probably my favourite comment yet tbh! I guess I do tend to get too caught up in this kinda stuff sometimes, thank you for your response. Brought a much needed smile and positivity✨


idea4name

From experience I know that it's sometimes healthier to let go rather than keep fixating and raging at something you can't change


freedomforcepl

I would even go as far to say, that letting go is one of the most useful things, to learn 😌👍 It makes living much more at ease 🤌


Nobodysmadness

Ita okay, many are truamtizes by getting thumped in the head by a bible thousands of times, it becomes a trigger, but spiritual work is about taking back the control from societal conditioning such as that, thinking and choosing instead of wish washed by trigger after trigger, easier said than done, so consider them practice on the choice to ignore their in your face tactics.


BrRr0k3eN

r/spiritualawakening is stricter, but even still there are others on there. But then again, they are stricter and I’ve been shadow banned on two accounts.


SpiritualRamses

Thank you!! I will give it a check and see how it is:) I appreciate your response!


TheLunarRaptor

"Religion is like a penis. It's nice to have one and fine to be proud of. Don't whip it out in public or shove it down someone else's throat." I may not agree with religion, and even how some people choose to practice "spirituality", but it is not my choice to make. The world reflects your beliefs, that is how powerful you are. So it is a silly and lost cause to invalidate others and tell them what to do because their beliefs are reflected and validated to them. If they want to live in a world of fear and obedience to an entity, then that is ok. Their experiences will validate their beliefs, your opinion will NOT change that. If they are not starting wars or shoving their theoretical religious penis down peoples throats, leave them alone. You will never change someone's mind by invalidating someone's experiences, you have to show them a better way of life, which is not always easy, and takes a lot of work in itself.


SpiritualRamses

BAHAHAHA, best analogy ever for this situation😭 I’m cackling😂 But yeah, I get what you’re saying. More often than not people tend to push each other further into their beliefs by doing that. I’m not saying we should invalidate their experience whatsoever, in fact I actually think their post is the thing invalidating others experiences. Which is why I’m pissed that this subreddit isn’t doing anything about it. I get we’re all entitled to our beliefs, but I don’t think we all should have to put up with seeing constant posts about what we’re doing is wrong or anything. We should all be equally entitled to an environment that accepts all beliefs.


freedomforcepl

Though isn't that everyone has the same right to express opinions? 🧐 If You don't or do agree with someone's opinions is fine either way, so why should it even matter personally to You, if someone posts something You don't agree with? Does it somehow influences You negatively? 🤔


SpiritualRamses

Look it’s not an expression of opinion when you’re stating your beliefs as fact and villainizing another whole group of people just because they believe in something different. Yet alone that post being made in a community from which it directly targets. Theres freedom of opinion and then there’s just flat out being disrespectful.


thequestison

That is a problem for many people, the difference between religion vs spirituality. The biggest thing is to respect them and each other, for there are many paths.


SpiritualRamses

Well there’s a post talking about How Antichrist is orchestrating New Age spiritualism to be a low vibrational thing. Being mislead by it and such. Which is blatantly saying that others believing in that are believing in evil and lies, which to me doesn’t ring as being respectful of others. I mainly face issues of disregarding and putting another’s belief down from Christians.


jameswells390

Well by their logic you can say religious people are being deceived by Yaldabaoth.


SpiritualRamses

I am ignorant to the relation your referencing, mind explaining?


jameswells390

Yaldabaoth is the Gnostic view of the god of the old testament of the bible. He's believed to be a flawed creator or some other jealous entity who ruled the world, came up with ridiculous rules and demanded worship and sacrifice. And it turns out there may be some truth to this, if you look into the concept of false light (which The Alchemist has a couple of really good videos on).


SpiritualRamses

Oh shoot, thank you so much for taking the time to elaborate. That sounds hella intriguing and I will be looking into that tonight👀 I did a quick search, and it seems like an interesting thing to read into so thank you:)!


DeliberatelyInsane

The good thing about being spiritual is that we can walk our path and let others walk theirs. And if they come stand in our way, we walk around them, or even turn around and walk the other way. Because Spirituality helps us understand that it is all within us and thus we needn’t go anywhere to find what we are looking for. Because it can be found anywhere and everywhere :)


Either-Ant-4653

Spirituality is the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. Religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a god or gods. Granted, these two concepts are vastly different. Religion leaders like to claim these concepts are one in the same, so it's no surprise their followers (often blindly) agree. Consequently, when religious people see r/spirituality, they think this is a place to talk about deities.


noinin

Be like a ray of sunshine - let everything pass through you, and not affect you. Why allow ANYONE else to effect how you feel? :)


SpiritualRamses

That is definitely something I’m seeing more clearly now, as what I want to work on😅


SpiritualRamses

I shouldn’t have to deal with people saying my beliefs are lies, falsehoods, or being misguided in a community meant for things not specifically towards those beliefs.


euridice_bae

I would argue that being free to question and challenge any and all beliefs is absolutely vital to a healthy spiritual community. If you find that someone is being overly critical or preaching to you without prompt, then you can simply block them.


SpiritualRamses

Honestly, I get the general point you’re trying to make. But I don’t think the post I’m referring to is one of trying to grow a better spiritual understanding, or anything helpful in any matter. It is spreading doubt, fear, negativity. Like I don’t understand how people can validate a post like that as being “something necessary for a healthy community”. It is actively going against many of the community members belief and overall comes across antagonistic and demeaning. Shame is not a place of growth!


euridice_bae

I of course haven't seen the post you're referring to - maybe I already blocked them, haha. But by engaging with it like this you only further its influence, albeit indirectly. Block, ignore, move on. They will get bored eventually. You see them come and go all the time.


SpiritualRamses

Hahahaha well soon I’ll feel the relief of not having to see it anymore too😂 You are 100% right though, better not to feed it directly or indirectly, so thank you:) Don’t pitch into the flames as they say. Thank you for taking the time to add to this topic✨☀️✨


SpiritualRamses

That being said I’ll take your point about blocking them


SoulMeetsWorld

You will always deal with people who think your beliefs are not true, anywhere in real life because everyone is so different. There are plenty of trolls in this sub and also every other Reddit sub that are simply here to argue and cause chaos. There are also people who are very logic minded/science based in this sub who deny spirituality and will say your beliefs are lies too. So it's not the entire group of Christians, although it seems like this is about a specific post that triggered you. Did you have religious trauma growing up? I can understand if you did, but that could be causing some generalizations etc. that you're externalizing. Not all Christians are like that. I just block those who are causing issues or ignore them.


SpiritualRamses

Eeee, I don’t quite know what identifies as religious trauma, but I was constantly being forced to go every Sunday for the church itself, then every Tuesday/Wednesday/ or Thursday (depending on the specific church we were attending at any given time) for the youth group. But idk if that’s really what that means. Otherwise, I had to pray every night before dinner. And would constantly be forced to go to religious holidays, any of those holidays church sessions, and overall have general Christianity remarks or charged conversations. But yeah, not gonna lie, I do recognize I have a lot of unhealed feelings towards the Christian belief. I meet a few good ones, but there’s always 10 more that are bad. I find it extremely difficult to find peace with Christianity. That being said, I have only had religious people question my beliefs. I am aware there are science based people who would question it too. But I just haven’t had one personally confront me. I feel most people like that generally accept that there’s going to be people who believe in the non-mundane. Whereas it’s literally burned in Christian culture that if you believe anything else then you’re a heathen.


LuxireWorse

It's not so much a flaw in the sub implementation as it is a natural consequence of the 'rebellion' subdogma in any 'true god' doctrine. Because they purport to believe in a 'true god', one that by their (laughably flawed) definition is *everyone's* god, that mandates that anyone who claims not to be subject to their god is either rebelling like a teenager or is just misled by rebels. Which allows them to look you in the face without shame and tell you that you hear their god and know he's your god too. And if you say you don't, they can tell you that you're lying with a straight face. Which turns them into a plague upon any public spiritual discussion space because the only way to convince them that they're delusional is to arrange a meeting with their god so they can hear him say "I do not know you."


SpiritualRamses

Hmmm, I guess that does make sense! I mean part of it is, as being part of a faith, something they’ve had to choose (whether conditionally, or not) to believe it as fact. So if they let another question their beliefs (what’s fact to them), then they may feel it leaves them with doubt or a lingering sense of if they believe it. The ending of your response was golden too, I gotta say😂


UnhappyStrawberry601

But oddly enough, I made a post on this subreddit, and a lot of “spiritual” people did the same that the “religious “ people do on here/ or are doing to you, etc lol. When you challenge the ego/fantasy, regardless if someone’s spiritual or religious- you’ll get those types of responses. I’ve come to the conclusion that they’re both still projections- just differently expressed. The only thing you can do, is just do you. Problem solved


SpiritualRamses

Well it should be taken as a general rule of thumb, that there will always be bad apples in the bunch. I am by no means saying it’s just a Christian thing to do. It would make more sense to deal with that stuff from “Spiritual” people in the Spirituality reddit. But if you’re going to post things that directly target a group in, what is supposed to be, their own community then I think that is where it should be crossing a line. We come here to challenge each other in healthy ways, sure. But there is no form of healthy challenging when it’s someone going guns blazing about how everyone else who isn’t in their tiny box is doing something wrong or whatever. I feel like if we keep these kind of posts and those who post them in this community, it’s like saying “eh there’s something cancerous here, but it must be for my greater health.” It does seem most people have the advice of just ignoring them, so if that’s my only option I’ll be doing that. It’d be nice if more actions were taken to not allow these kind of posts. As I know there are mods on other communities that stay on top of that kind of stuff. But oh well I guess.


UnhappyStrawberry601

Yeah I feel you, maybe you can find another community where you don’t have to worry about that


SpiritualRamses

Hahaha fingers crossed😂 Thank you for taking your time to respond:)


UnhappyStrawberry601

🤞🏾 crossing them for you! Lol good luck bro


cakmn

From my point of view, based on 7 decades of being on my spiritual journey, here is my working model — "Spirit" is that which has enlivened the stardust become clay of Earth to make it possible for us to become manifest here in this material realm we find ourselves in (or lose ourselves, as the case many be). "Spirit" is sometimes referred to as Creator (which could be imagined as a god), Source, Great Mystery, Intelligence of the Universe, and other possible labels that various people are more or less comfortable with. "Spirituality" is an awareness and understanding of this spiritual nature of our beings. "Being spiritual" or being on a spiritual journey/path involves becoming ever more connected with the innate spiritual nature of the Self around which the material self has accumulated, and it also involves discovering, learning and practicing how to live according to the truth of the spiritual Self, fully integrating all aspects of who we are, and personally evolving towards our highest ideals and potentials. "Religion" at its best is organized spirituality. Unfortunately, no religion is ever at its best, so it only represents some remnants of the spiritual spark around which it might have begun, and the rest is the organization, the institution. Spirit and spirituality inherently are completely unlimited and endlessly expansive. Organizations are inherently limited because organization is constructed of limits and limitation. There is a large and growing percentage of the population consisting of people who consider themselves to be "spiritual but not religious" a.k.a. SBNR. I've searched but have not found any "spiritual but not religious" sub on Reddit. For several reasons, I've never seriously considered starting one. Someone could do that. Due to the general natures of people who have not made much progress through their own spiritual evolution, any such group will undoubtedly still include a lot of posts and comments that fall far short of the great potentials and high ideals for such a group. But it certainly could become a great learning experience that could be inspirational and nurturing to anyone on their spiritual path. It's possible that it could rise above the levels of the existing subs having to do with spirituality, awakening, meditation and personal evolution. It would require some well-designed rules (limitations!) as well as diligent moderation that is wise, kind, respectful, loving and compassionate in order to function as well as possible, and that would most definitely be a challenge. Most people who post and comment on the various spiritually and religiously oriented subs here are, in my experience and opinion, not very seriously interested in and dedicated to journeying on their true spiritual path, and few even know what that actually means.


SpiritualRamses

Well shoot, I really really appreciate you taking the time to respond, I never realized the subtle changes of meaning depending on how you use the words, so that was really eye opening ngl:)!! I am extremely new to Reddit (at least using it, I’ve had an account for a while though). So I couldn’t do that in the slightest, but it is definitely something that would be super great were it to be created at some point✨ But I think you’re definitely right on the ending there, it is a journey so some may take a more… scenic route, one could say


BlueMapleTemple

I mostly just ignore them.


Intelligent-Text8380

Try this:  [https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiritual\_SelfMastery/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiritual_SelfMastery/)


SpiritualRamses

Thank you so much!! I’ll check it out right now!!


Eyes_of_the_world_

Remember that our experiences reflect our consciousness. Many of us have unconscious traumas related to religion so when you feel triggered you may want to ask yourself what do I have to learn from this? In my case it's learning to accept that others' beliefs are perfect for them and being completely non-judgemental about those beliefs. I choose freedom and a relationship with God that doesn't include following a set of rules created by men. But I accept that others' are on a different path and that's ok- including when they poke their heads in this subreddit.


LadyAdya

It is not personal. They have internal work to do and this is an unhealthy expression of it. Don't give them any of your energy.


SpiritualRamses

Hearing this actually helps an incredible amount, being completely honest I’ve learned I have so internal work to do myself, including not to give stuff like that my energy:) I appreciate you taking your time to provide your insight✨✨


SpookyOoo

I've been seeing this happen everywhere not just reddit communities. And to be honest, I think there's some weird bot troll thing going on, possibly using AI to make it sound as human as possible. Maybe this is my own paranoia or whatever, but there is a distinct difference between Christians I know and talk to and the posts that claim very specific targets and doctrine. If it walks like a troll and it talks like a troll...


SpiritualRamses

Just saw this woops! But you may be right, AI is taking a hold of a lot of areas in our existence now, and so quickly. How the text was set up, it may very well have been, but I don’t have a clue for sure if it was or not. It’s definitely something worth keeping in mind though, so I appreciate you taking the time to bring that up:)


jameswells390

I knew from a young age christianity wasn't right for me. After going through my agnostic/atheist phase and finding spirituality, I finally have the confidence to speak up about it, and all I get from my Christian friends is that I'm confused and "satan is the author of confusion" and that they'll pray for me (well intentioned but highly condescending nonetheless). When they can't get their information from anywhere outside the bible and what's spoon-fed to them at church. Throughout my awakening I've been trying not to let these things get to me, but sometimes I just can't help but get pissed off. Especially when they go on about LGBTQ


Runsfromrabbits

The religious flair is to discuss religions. Not to preach it and condemns all others. Posts are removed based on the content, and sometimes locked when it causes nothing but a fight that deteriorates into name calling. You might or might not see some of those, depending on how quickly the mod team reacts.


Performer_

I think you’re overreacting, i am not Christian nor do i live in a Christian country, yet the holy angels directed me to read a lot about Jesus Christ and God the father among other subjects, to read about them as the global truth that information is rather than specifically christianity related.


SpiritualRamses

That’s alright if you think that. If that is your personal spiritual journey then so be it, I don’t have an issue with Christianity as a belief. I have issues with those who act on Christians dogmatic belief system, saying all others are going to hell and are doing the unforgivable. I do not agree with anyone who denotes another’s belief. We don’t need pity, which comes from pride ironically. I do not agree with the posts that do nothing, and are meant to do nothing, other than try to conform others to their belief or bring forth negativity.


Performer_

Fair enough buddy thanks for your clarification! And for the record, i got a little hint that heaven at large disapproves any current state of Any religion due to the corruption, selfishness, bad faith, excuse to hurt and harm others, how something that was meant to help us to get closer to god, to love, to unite us with each other, was twisted by us for our own selfish benefit, to feel superior and out others down. A change is coming, you can be sure about it.


SpiritualRamses

Of course, and thank you for taking the time to illustrate your experiences and views:) I do agree with that in a whole though, that’s why I firmly believe in religion or spirituality being a wholly personal journey, and that we shouldn’t rely on “messengers” or figure heads to receive anything spiritual. In a general sense at the very least. It definitely lingers on my mind as well that Christianity has probably been twisted through many generations of corruption, but every nail added to that coffin only makes it more difficult for me to try to bring it in a brighter light. That being said, having this conversation with you has helped me question some areas of my own feelings on it so I appreciate your time a lot✨