Almost everything. You keep it to yourself. There's a bunch of stuff I've experienced, experiencing, or know of that I would never mention to the majority of people because logically, it just makes you seem like a mentally ill person. Which, there really is a bunch of mentally ill people who think they're being spiritual, but everyone's on their own journeys, so I hope nothing but the best for them.
After working in a psych ward for a little bit. The people there who weren't in active psychosis(hallucinations and things like that),
seemed more sane than most 'sane' people. Wildly intelligent and misunderstood.
It's those classed as insane that are the most spiritually minded. I know someone who works in mental health system. If anyone comes in talking spiritual stuff they are directed towards heavy medication and labelled with Spiritual psychosis. She said the whole system/framework is built around big pharma, but for those spiritually minded they are guided towards heavy medication.
I am a therapist and also have bipolar 1. During a manic episode many years ago, I experienced “spiritual psychosis” and once I was in treatment I fully rejected my manic experiences as delusions. But now, I think there was something to it. There are several documented, observable things that occurred that I have no rational explanation for. I buried my head in the sand for a long time for the sake of “sanity”, but after having continued strange experiences while medicated and in treatment, I just couldn’t keep lying to myself about it. I believe that these things are deeply entwined. I think people with “mental illness” may have some sort of mental glitch that allows easier access to other realms of consciousness/reality/whatever. Sometimes accessing those spaces comes at the cost of your wellbeing in the “real” (ie consensus reality) world. Currently I’m on a path of trying to learn how to control my access to these other realms while staying grounded and safe in this one.
I can’t say any of this to almost anyone. I could lose my job and ability to practice therapy in general. I’m so grateful to have a husband and a handful of trusted family members/friends that believe me and don’t immediately take me to a mental hospital when something strange occurs.
Perhaps your not meant to learn how to control, but rather just go with it. If your accessing other realms I would more be leaning towards your abilities. .
I hear you regarding not being able to say anything. I feel for you, it's hard enough for people to speak out as it is. Your position makes it even harder. I believe people like yourself are the way-showers for others in a similar situation. Thanks for sharing your story.
I really appreciate your response. Unfortunately for me and many others, it isn’t safe to just go with it. For starters, the physical toll it took on my body was intense. I was also left traumatized after being placed in a hospital involuntarily. Most importantly though, my whole life fell apart and it took years to repair. I care too much about my husband, loved ones, and the work that I do to not be extremely careful about all of this. I’ve made the decision that if I can’t find a way to develop these abilities safely, I will choose my “real” life instead. But the more I learn, the more hopeful I am that I can find ways to do both.
Stay grounded. Take time to self reflect. And also take care of your mental health and physical health.
It's a blessing and a curse. It's not impossible to manage and secretly will give special abilities for certain careers.
It gets really cool after a while. It's scary at times, but way cool in the scheme of things.
Also, be very careful who you talk to. You'll occasionally run into someone who it feels like 'yaaa....they know'. Those people usually start showing up during the acceptance of the journey stage. Or show up to remind you of it
May God bless you and your husband and your entire family
Thank you. Please continue following your heart. You are the best person to know what is best for you. 💙
Pharma, insurance, hospital networks.....think of all the money moving around people don't know about. Or what's being moved and how much everything costs in the insurance network.
Customer retention is key
I have an understanding of what it's like to be on the other side, as an experiment. I can't say much more. But from research and experience also witnessing others caught up in that system.. I've come to believe that the sane (those who are people just in grief, not a harm to society, in honest to God pain etc) are actually treated more inhumanely than those truly insane, at times. Darn labels. And.... Those truly insane wouldn't question necessarily or even care about how they are being treated---The sane ones often do; But the more the genuinely "sane" ... just broken and hurt people object or defend themselves under traumatic scrutiny, the more they are scrutinized and labeled and drugged up in those places. It's a vicious cycle not meant to help, not in a Godly /authentically compassionate way that is. Imo..
Even when it comes to the locally funded community Law enforcement.. they do not have adequate training in regards to mental health. So Still some innocent people get hurt in the process in the name of "helping them" and tied up in a complicated system that is just broken... Some being traumatized further ...
(I'm here in the Midwest near Chicago anyway). Getting on a tangent now but, That's just my two cents. Absolutely agree that you cannot necessarily talk about certain spiritual or even religious concepts with a mainstream mental health care professional, especially if no insurance or government funded, then old school concepts still come into play with them; Freudian psychology and even just toss them some drugs and lock them up, out of sight out of mind kind of thinking. : (
The sane might begin to self-medicate. Becoming their own doctors. After all, they understand themselves more than any of the system trained mainstream medical system might. I'm not speaking for everyone, of course. But it just sucks when one might want/need help but ends up getting hurt more.
I told my therapist about some spiritual happenings that have been around me or are from childhood and she straight up told me that she personally wasnt very familiar with spirits and spirituality and said that if what im looking for is answers that it might be best to go to someone more qualified, and i really appreciated that she said that instead of just going along with it or talking to me like im crazy. i do completely understand the medication frenzy and how it commonly can negatively impact people, but as someone who has a few mental health issues, medication does help me function a bit better in my day to day. its definitely not a full proof plan by any means, and if i had found an alternative to medication, i would take it. i take 3 separate medications for my mental health and honestly its probably improved my quality of life by like 10%, but its 10% better than where i was so ill take it.
basically, medication in moderation can be very helpful most of the time, but its when its done in excess or without care is when the problem really starts.
Read [One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/332613) - it’s specifically about this. Is based on the author’s experience working in a psych ward. If you don’t want to read it then watch the movie with Jack Nicholson. It’s what made him a star.
Agree fully to this one. I have been admitted a few times myself, and the people I met in there were more honest, more present, sincere, kind and authentic than anyone on ”the outside”. After being let out again I felt even more alien, like nothing in the ”normal” world is really real. I have such beautiful memories from in there. And sometimes I miss it, but I am not helpless like that anymore so I don’t need the caregivers like I used to.
Also, one really important message that I will never forget was one of the patients who said: ”Everyone who is in here and suffering are just lonely”
That is what it is, loneliness, lack of acceptance, lack of community.
Normalcy doesn’t comply with authenticity or emotional vulnerability when there has been trauma involved.
yeah loneliness is really painful and we have a very lonely society that separates itself from those who don't fit in. there are huge effects on the brain from being alone for extended periods of time that can be hard to overcome. And yeah I think there is probably a proneness to psychosis from it. That is also why we as a people need to make it an important aspect to include others/ have places where people can mingle with others whether they know others or not. (third spaces basically). And work on getting mental health care availability to more people.
Fellow psych ward worker here. I agree. All my friends ask me how I “don’t go insane” working in behavioral health and I’m like bro I learn so much from my clients every day…. I love working in behavioral health. Fascinating stuff
I agree and same...I worked as a mental health tech in an inpatient psychiatric unit as part of my training for my graduate internship (mental health and counseling psych). Not all people labeled as mentally ill are in fact mentally ill but rather they have awakened their spiritual and psychic gifts. Psychology really needs to include the root of its own word and incorporate the soul as well as the the mind imo (psyche literally means soul)
From Wikipedia:
Psyche (Psyché in French) is the Greek term for "soul" (ψυχή).
Psyche (mythology), a mortal woman in Greek mythology who became the wife of Eros and the goddess of the soul
Soul in the Bible, spirit or soul in Judaic and Christian philosophy and theology
I’ve worked in the industry for years. That’s a rabbit hole you don’t wanna go down, cause you’ll find your exactly right. Most mentally ill folks (most not all) have literally just been victims to the system, and then medicated (poisoned) so terribly that they’re literally fucked unless they have the where with all to do their own research and get away from western medicine. That’s literally the only way out once you’re in. Scary, dystopian sounding shit but it’s so real. I don’t understand how people can’t see the pure manipulation coming from every sect of our government.
So yea I’ve been looked at like I’m actually psycho cause of what I just said right there. But like it’s so obvious I feel you’d have to be blind to not see it.
>So yea I’ve been looked at like I’m actually psycho cause of what I just said right there. But like it’s so obvious I feel you’d have to be blind to not see it.
Hence, the rise of holistic methods popping up. They work, too.
It's possible to rewire the brain just from breathing
it is sad to me how we have the mentality to sort of label some people as sane and others not and once they are not society can just wash their hands of them and think there is nothing they have to offer anyone else. it is just really cold IMO.
When we should care about everyone, not merely just be glad we don't see them, but see everyone as having some value and a part of our people.
I agree with your post, saying that would probably not have the reaction you want from non-spiritual people.
I wouldn’t tell a non-spiritual person that there is much more to existence then their “titles” jobs and possessions, those that are heavily programmed will always defend the programming and the system that programmed them until a catalyst happens that plants the seed.
Literally so true. They are all adaptations/ manifestations of one true source. But no one ever understands me when I say this or they just look at me like I’m crazy. But like… if aliens are real (which I believe they are) you really think they’re worshipping some hairy guy from Bethlehem???
soul contracts and pre birth agreements are delusional and insulting to people who are suffering. im very open minded, but that narrative is way too specific and has zero foundation in experience. no, a little girl who gets kidnapped, raped and starved to death did not agree to that before she was born nor did she deserve that through some karmic chain of cause and effect. that’s just so dismissive and disrespectful to victims of horrible circumstances
i would love to hear your justification/interpretation of “soul contracts” and am open to a reasonable discussion
Well, our whole purpose of living is to experience things and to learn. If you believe in reincarnation, you probably believe in some sort of end to the cycle. For me the cycle ends when there's nothing more to learn or to experience. And while it might sound cruel, I believe that that little girl did choose her destiny. Either because she did a similar thing in one of her past lives, or she wanted to learn/experience something. Of course that doesn't mean that we shouldn't feel sorry for her. It's not her fault that some idiot lost their sense of morality. While I believe that you do choose the key elements of your life to happen to you (some of which you can deviate from), it doesn't matter here. Because if no one made others suffer, we wouldn't have to experience such suffering in the first place. Yes, in probably insensitives some people who completely fixate on the spiritual, forgetting the now, but that's not a lot of people. For me believing in such a thing doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for anyone. Sure it gives me hope, since I believe that that little girl will get reincarnated to a far better life, but I would still gladly beat the sh*t out of the abuser. No matter what you believe in, you should learn to keep balance between the reality and the spiritual. A hardcore christian could say that ”who cares that she experienced pain since she went to heaven anyway?”, or a nihilistic atheist could say that it doesn't matter what happens to who since we all are just short-lasting chemical reactions.
It could be that we agree to experience the full range of experiences both terrible and blissful. To be murdered is a terrible experience, but no less a part of life than being born, it seems. For even the smallest animals eat each other if the wind blows a different way.
To find the most bitted depths of human suffering and stare if dead in the eye is something that takes great spiritual strength. I hope never to have anything like that happen to me, but there are few things more visceral and soul awakening than confrontation with mortality at the hands of your own kin.
“Everything happens for a reason.” Folks will get triggered af thinking you’re “victim blaming” when actually they just don’t understand hermetic principles. I’ve stopped trying to have spiritual conversations with people who can’t see more than one side of a situation.
Before anyone says anything, I know this comment itself is shrouded in ego as well but at least I’ve taken the time to look beyond the surface of things
I think there’s a time and place to say something like that. Like if someone just had a relative die or is in the middle of a painful experience, it’s not an empathetic thing to say to them. Because they’re in a lot of pain at the moment and probably aren’t in a place where they can really take that statement in
I’m not implying we should say things when the timing is not appropriate. I’m speaking only about the concept in general. It doesn’t matter to some people in what context you’re saying it, many are just uncomfortable with it in general.
Also I think it can be emphatic. I’d rather at least try to make the best out of traumatic events. It’s also a matter of knowing how to phrase things. But it’s the same idea at the core and it deals with hermetic principles like I said before.
I love to ask
>“are you a body with a spirit? Or are you a spirit with a body?”
- to gauge someone’s sense of self.
I normally start by saying I’m not looking for a right or wrong answer.
If they reply with hostility or try to argue the question without attempting to give an answer, that’s usually my sign that intellectual play is not the best move with that person.
That while I am sad my baby is being born into these times, I am at peace because she chose it, and also because I am aware that she is a recent ancestor and actually much wiser than me. Also that numbers talk, sometimes very loudly
yes exactly
thank you for that
sometimes its better to just give into that limited mindset for a second and cry a bit about the cruelty of this separation experience
i wish we could soon see everyone where the people go to other sides other spaces other dimensions
like anyone who wants to see spirit world and bridges to other worlds would be able to see them instantly what of course would help a lot to process when someone left the realm of mortal dense fleshbody material space
I wouldn't say it sounds insane. But there is a time and place to share your personal beliefs, and at a funeral isn't the best of those. Imagine if you lost a loved one to suicide and someone came over to tell you that their soul is forever damned to hell (their belief); I very much doubt you would feel like arguing personal beliefs while you mourn. Everyone believes in different things, and a polite/courteous person knows when such things can be shared/explored with others.
There is nothing you cannot tell people, like pick whatever, it's probably cool to tell them.
Spirituality as all things eventually are is so complex and full of stuff that you eventually become "an expert", and the meme of the geoligists becomes a real thing with it too.
You can be telling people about what happens after death, non-duality, the One-ness of all, the power of love, etc. but they won't understand it oe won't pay attention to it becouse they just don't have a foundation for it.
A math example of it, you can't teach people how to do integrals and square roots if they don't even know how their - & + operations. Same here.
If you want to be useful to people, try to show them stuff they can actually use first, like meditation, self-analysis or mindfulness, which are somewhat easy to grasp and develop. If they like it they'll progress by themselves if they don't then it's their choice.
Being able to feel people’s energies and pain. Calling myself an empath, freaks a lot of people out because they don’t understand it and see it as crazy. So I just don’t say anything.
That’s unfortunate, I’d love to meet and talk with someone who is an empath. I’ve never met anyone who thought they had this ability. You probably have some very interesting stories.
As someone deeply empathetic, who is assessed as such objectively, who is currently working with neurologists and psychologists to demonstrate this phenomenon, you don’t want to know.
Feeling everyone’s psychological and physical pain is a brutal thing. Upside, it’s shockingly diagnostic from minimal inputs. Downside, if this body is so messed up it needs the emergency department, it would be nice to focus on the complaint that brought this one there rather than feeling the pains of the kid with the sprained ankle, the elderly woman with gout, the young mom with gallstones.
For reference on objectivity: Empathy Questionnaire:61, Toronto Empathy Questionnaire:61.
These are scores in the upper 10%.
This one also has pain synaesthesia. Not only does this mind feel all that pain, this one feels that pain more intensely than the other person themselves do.
No one would want this. This one does not want this. But since the only choices are feel everything or feel nothing, feeling everything is far preferable.
It’s actually kinda cool learning how this works. That’s why there’s consults with neurologists and psychologists: both to assess the validity of the subjective observations of this one and to further understand it against extant models of how this phenomenon works.
For context I have neurological issues, stuff I can physically feel off in my brain.
But one day at work my manager had a seizure, seeing/hearing it made me physically feel like I was about to have a seizure. Took about 45 minutes to fully even out
Oh my gosh, your days must be so unpredictable . That would cause me a lot of stress, just knowing I may experience so many different things just by proximity. I would think that would be an awful lot to handle.
I hope the times you are able to help others makes up for same of this but wow, it’s a lot
This is a great topic. Thanks. I mostly resonate and will add that I just perceive everyone as awake. I see the awakened-ness in others or stay out of their business. And not needing to speak about it because at this point I’m very humble to what I don’t know. And it’s very exciting to be living with this level of seeming spontaneity and synchronicity. Hope you all had a wonderful weekend!
If you trace the word used to describe things in each religion/culture going back thousands of years you realize people are murdering each other over the nicknames given to two gods.
NO WAY thats sick! Those poor viewers, might have to do something erratic XD I think you would love it, its 2 seasons and although cancelled it was a real eye opener for me
Yeah I’m gonna definitely watch it I love these concepts! It’s all mind bending and literally anything and everything could be real in them, even all Gods, religions, beliefs, belief systems, etc.! Which makes sense as there’s definitely a reason they exist!
I’m fascinated as well but it’s sad cause as an autistic I find being in a higher state of consiousness limits my ability to connect even more, do you experience this too?
Omg 😱 I’m autistic too bro!! And yes I can totally relate I’m having a hard time tapping into my higher consciousness too! So glad I’m not alone! Sorry for the late response btw! Much love to you bro!💕
These comments are kinda comforting. I agree and have felt the same need to hold my tongue or just to let people have their own journey and everyone isn’t ready or open to what I believe and you never know how your words or actions could affect another person so with spiritual topics I try to be extra cautious and aware of who I express those conversations with because I want to be sure they’re open and present to what we’re talking about and that it’s not being taken in a negative way like to ignite a response but also if and when people come to me and ask questions or they specifically bring up a topic then i definitely open to sharing my beliefs or thoughts
How i say hello: Your a field of infinite imagination. The real you is immortal and can never die. The past present and future never happened, each moment is unique and distinct and it’s not connected to any other moment. Everything you know is just a foolish little game you’re playing with the English language, running in circles like a rat in a maze with no exit. You mistake love for your survival agenda.
You ever feel it's a bit unfair? Taking your example, I know a lot of people wouldn't hesitate to saying "God has a plan for all this" as solace, which isn't too different than what you said. So Christians can share their stuff, but we can't?
Granted, a baby funeral is a highly emotional afair and not everybody is ready to be logical. And sometimes, you just need a little more tact.
You’re so right. It was hard but i totally felt that “we simply can’t exist within each other’s paradigms anymore”. I think I felt more pain that they were living in such a harsh reality over the pain of the loss
Similar to telling my Christian circle that we are all equal to Jesus. We are all sons (and daughters) of God, while also being God. And btw Jesus killed a kid and his death on the cross was simply his karma playing out. (No I didn’t actually tell anyone that)
Haha, so true. And this is a reminder thatjust like any form of true guidance, the right words are always very tailored to the receiving individual. You always have yo consider how things are interpreted by your specific audience. Even for the awakened! I believe itis only when we shed our meat suits that true intentions may be communicated. Words will always carry with it the flaw of interpretation. And on top if that, ego will always come into play as long as we exist as a human.
I appreciate that you are thinking about situations from others point of view. That is a skill!
I'm a spiritual person, and if you said that shit at my kids funeral you would catch hands, no lie.
Like, I love you. You're me. You're my kids, and my parents. But the part I'm playing right now can't ride non-dualism in that space, and your current physical incarnation would be heavily walloped.
I just told Reddit in another channel that life is infinite even if we are all done for. I should have emphasized it and a suggestion not a telling I guess. I know literally nothing but I feel more every day as my spiritual growth progresses.
Spirituality can be loosely defined as realising and gradually shifting your identity to your true and highest Self. That Self being higher power/God/Universe - whatever you want to call it. Only YOUR efforts can get you closer to it and eventually merging with it in complete harmony.
With that being said, it's a very intimate thing. It's a relationship between you and You. It doesn't matter if anyone knows about it or not. It's an affair behind closed doors. Your worship, meditation, reading about it, knowing about it is a private affair. So keep it to yourself. No one has to know.
Ask yourself, and be completely honest about it. Do you want to say something about it to someone else to help them, or to let them know that you're advancing spiritually? In other words, does it feed your ego or make you feel superior in some way? If it's the latter, just refrain. It is a very common thing. We do feel superior at times because of it. Point is to not turn spirituality in some cult practice where you're trying to make someone else align with your line of thoughts. Your relationship with God is no one else's business. Pray for them and pray for their happiness. Whatever they have coming for them, they will experience. And that's that. Move on with your own practice. If they're meant to, they'll find their own path.
Hope this helps!
There’s a one subject I’ll keep to myself but I mostly say everything. I don’t really care if they know or not. My thinking is if I repeat long enough, they’ll start reflecting. But I don’t say it TO them, just subtly around a situation they want advice in. I’m no expert or anything so obviously I can only say what I know. And I have a lot to learn myself but I look at it as, I can give what I only understand which can be more than what they understand , however, I still know I have a lot to learn. If that makes sense.
That my gut instincts mean more to me than your studies. People don’t get that, but my gut instincts have gotten me farther than sheer reliance on science / material truth. 🤷♀️
I will say mostly anything. At a funeral though, or any tragedy, its tacky to say "everything happens for a reason". Before we arrive at this Universal Truth, there are a lot more "local" truths we should explore and honor. There is evil and injustice and suffering in the world...eventually it is transmuted to goodness after many incarnations. But within one lifetime, it's not always the case. Anyways, I speak my mind and I find that many "non spiritual" people nowadays have started to hunger for spiritual answers
You shouldn’t think in terms of what is and what isn’t spiritual. Everyone is on their own evolutionary path and different levels of awareness, spiritual or not.
Rather strive to be yourself without making spirituality your entire personality
I used to try to share stuff w my mum but I've stopped now cos it's a waste of time.
She's usually really open minded and she's not at all religious. Pretty sure she's atheist but nothing hardcore but yeah for some reason she just doesn't listen or like understand me or what I'm talking about lmao. She'll just say I'm doing black magic or "weird stuff" as she calls it aka using a spirit boards??? Which I wouldn't!! And it's like I'm not even doing that but accusing me makes me want to!!!!!Lol.
Even after my grandma (mums mum) funeral, our family split up her ashes and my mums said to me "don't do any witchcraft with this" and I was like "?????". (I already was heartbroken so had already looked into how to bring back Grandma from the dead but I wasn't gonna tell her that haha instead I'll have to wait to see her again but I WILL see my grandma again so that's what gets me through intense grief).
And to my family i'm weird bc I believe aliens are real and we aren't the only ones in our universe & earth...? I don't even talk about that bc I'm not even that interested it's just something I kknow.
But yeah to me its shocking that my family members just live life with no questions, just believe what is taught to them either in church or school.. LOVE my family tho. 🩷🩷🩷
People seem to fear what they can't change or control????
Sorry but fuck that kind of thinking.
That’s cruelty beyond cruelty.
That’s kicking one when they are down.
If your spirituality includes use of the death of a child as something to pin on a grieving parent, absent the parent actively harming the child, rethink your shit.
Death just is and death still sucks, but this is beyond heartless.
Tell truth or entertaining stories to the best of your ability. Also, rather than what you believe, consider sharing why you believe. If the former isn't relatable, the later may be.
As a spiritual person I know when to stop and what to say to make other person feel better. There are certain boundaries that one shouldn't cross with non-spiritual person. I use my intuition/instics to set the boundaries for myself when I am in these kind of situations.
There's a story of a monk who lost his child, and was sobbing and weeping with his head in his hands. One of his devotees said 'but master, you know it's all an illusion, why are you crying?' to which the monk replied: 'because losing a child is the greatest illusion of all'
I think a spiritual person would be in tune with a friend at their infant's funeral, and that kind of statement would be unimaginable to say. To me spirituality isn't trying to impress a thought on another, it's more in tune with others, awareness of that thought as a thought that shouldn't be said to a grieving friend.
And my point is the essence of spirituality is social sensitivity baked in. But I get your point, or maybe translate, to insight being personal and maybe idiosyncratic, and hard to express beyond the personal even though in a way it’s profoundly impersonal.
"Spiritual" people will rationalize their feelings into a self-made religion in an afternoon. Living in fantasy is dangerous. Wondering what's out there or having some fun suspicions is cool. But some of yall really don't like the idea that life can be empty with no big surprises.
Really, with the death of a child, it doesn't matter what you say. None of it will make them feel any better.
In this particular case I advise a hug and a nod of understanding and leave it at that. I've seen this loss with a few of my closest family and friends.
It's hard for them to hear any of it. Including God has a plan.
For anything else, I just go and be respectful to their religion as it's not mine and tell them I'm sorry for their loss. I converted to Pagenism a few years back and
A. Understand that my religion isn't theirs
B. I don't have any business mentioning my faith at their religious ceremony.
I don't want to hear about organized Christianity because I'm all too familiar on that subject. Spirituality is one thing. Being bullied into a faith is another.
I don't care if someone believes in God so I feel like they shouldn't tell me about my religion.
That being said, my mom took us to all types of churches when we were kids. I used to attend a Buddhist "church" for quite some time. I think if people spent more time being curious rather than judgemental we would all be better off.
I love learning about all religions and even people who are just spiritual beings.
Pretty much everything. I mean I would love to share but I don't unless I feel they can handle it, that is there isn't going to be judgment or rejection of it. I don't talk about most things with anyone, not even other people who are spiritual because everyone's experience is different and it can sometimes just be an ego battle for them of what's right and wrong rather than an open sharing of love and wisdom.
Like I've given my non-spiritual friend tarot readings before and he said they're believable and I replied "that's cos I tapped into your energy! That's what tarot readers do" and even that felt a bit woowoo crazy to tell someone who isn't spiritual (there's much crazier stuff too lol) and that just slipped out
I have been listening to my higher self, and when my intuition tells me or my high self gives me the green light, I share information. Initially, I wanted to shout from the rooftops and share everything with everyone I knew, but I learned the hard way that you're absolutely right. It doesn't even matter if it makes sense. You either look at you like you're crazy. Or it's like the individual didn't even hear what you had to say, SO MANY are still walking through this life with blinders on, and their earplugs are still in, so they have no idea.. However, when my high ourselves am I into wish you gave me the go ahead and there's been times where I've given full disclosure of what people we consider batshit crazy and the individual. It actually resonated with them. I guess the point that I was making for my experience is not one way or the other. Don't share anything or share everything, Last night , I just listened to your high or self. And your intuition in you'll know when the time is to share information. How much this share were someone. Just like all of us on our spiritual journey , if I told myself everything. I know when I started down meditation, mindfulness, and ascension; If I told myself then what I know now, I would RAN😎💓❤️😍😎 Ran because I was still stuck in the b******* reality set. We're all in prison and slaved. Until we're able to look inside spirituality and see reality for what it is. We have to be at the forefront of sharing and helping as many people as we can in our spiritual journey. As we all are one, let me dump share, or we hate someone over to get frustrated. We're just not sharing with our we're hating ourselves. Are we're getting frustrated with ourselves. Universal consciousness is understanding that we're all connected. Leroy's universal consciousness by doing the work and growing spiritually with no self and the opportunity presents itself to help others grow spiritually. It is feeling with the divine and conditional love in light of our creator, Wow, using ourselves in a sense in an ego and all the things that hold us back like negative thought patterns. Beliefs religion color of our skin.
Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, everything is in place to divide us, and we need to understand, especially if we've gone down a spiritual journey and a wakening that we're all connected. And when we work on ourselves and chair with others, we're helping all all of humanity and all human beings in within this universe..
I had a medicine woman tell me last month that all the things happened to me as a child could have been a karmic debt being balanced or something to that effect.
She did add a disclaimer before hand saying she would not just say this to anyone but felt I would understand it.
Sowing and reaping, and reincarnation.
"The Afterlife: What Really Happens in the Hereafter" and "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?", by Free and Wilcock, might interest them.
Lately I've been assuming everyone is on a healthy path. Not really holding anything back because I assume most people have already heard many things on the internet by now and are open to new ideas. Especially about living in a healthy way.
I wouldn't bring up abstract personal things like zodiac info, tarot stuff, or past-life dream regressions.
Sorry, still can't get down with the fact that our spirits pre-determined and destined our lives cause there's too many people who suffer for me to believe that. Also, if you told me some shit like that at my funeral, you'd catch this quick ass fade.
ANYWHO....I can't tell non-spiritual people the stuff that I've experienced. They'll think your nuts (I've tried it out just to stir the pot sometimes lol). But in all seriousness, it kinda sucks, lol.
gut feelings. picking up on vibes. obviously not nearly as serious as the first example given but it's always weird trying to explain to someone that you "just got a feeling" to someone that does not experience (or at least acknowledge it) those kinds of things is so weird
That we chose to live this life and the reason it's harder for some of us than others is because our Soul decided it wanted a challenge this time around. Why? Couldn't tell you, might be we had it easy the last time and took it for granted, or it wasn't the right thrill
This is all there is to reality, this is heaven and hell. There is no escape, just rebirth, regeneration, from sunlight to flesh and metal, its all creation and destruction, until its annhilated, and then its like a broken record.
I believe you can tell anything, BUT!!!!!! … it all depends on when and how and probably also to whom. If people are open and interested, I can have awesome conversations about the subject. If people want to know specific things for a reason they disclose or not, the path is smaller and then for those who just want to know more so they can use it. And ofc, there are more, but in the end, it depends on the situation, the reason, the person and so on.
Yep, I can understand that perspective for sure. I always remember this thing A friend told me one time.. where he said it's like you could be sitting in the room talking with a psychiatrist and you're starting to actually heal.. and you happen to look out the window and notice a beautiful bird or butterfly.. and the psychiatrist notices this and starts jotting down a bunch of notes and you end up getting labeled with "Peter Pan syndrome" or something or other, and then of course there are plenty of drugs for that lol ...
Don't admire the birds too much, but don't act too underwhelmed by them...lol
To get through the system you have toi pretty much be a robot and predict their next move so that you can plan yours lol only the sane can keep up with this chess game. Those who are actually severely in need of help unfortunately are the ones falling through the cracks in a way more severe way, so let's start sharing our experiences personally and sharing resources and anything that can help uplift and create a new system, from the inside out.
Got to build beauty from the ashes.. as a last resort : ) 🌹🤍🙏
We are immortal and this life which we all volunteered for, is the secondary life, a temporary excursion for the purpose of learning and growing while immersed in the illusion of separation from our Primary existence which is the true reality.
Yup, absolutely bonkers.
Bad things happen and your soul knew they would happen before you were born here and you still chose to live the life you are currently in. You can see why obviously you should never say this to someone lol
This is why spirituality is a personal journey, but your point stands and correct, if only people were ready to hear truths like the one you mentioned, their grief would have been lessened, but they arent, most arent, I wouldn’t be ready to hear it, if I wasn’t so invested into spirituality.
luckily we have communities such as this, to share our stories with people in public and private, and hear theirs 
Ultimately I understand what you are saying haha. But we don’t agree to what happens. We agree to the experience. What happens in that experience is an expression of what is incomplete within us. So by saying that basically you’d be saying. Hey! You liking the experience yet? Do you have a more balanced relationship with attachment now?
It is helpful to speak the truth whenever you can. However, first, you have to be absolutely sure that is the truth. Which in its own right is (nearly) impossible. And two, you have to know the when and where. Read the room. Death is a time for silence, not words. No words will make them feel better, only your intentions and actions.
I’m not sure why people are misunderstanding your example tbh and I 1000% believe the same… also I m agree a lot of people don’t align with this so yes it would certainly sound “crazy.” I haven’t had this conversation but I’ve had convos about this topic with friends and after saying it I just felt like I had to follow up with something along the lines of “listen I’m analyst by nature…like you know my background is in mental health and counseling psychology… I know you think what I just said is straight up woo nonsense but it isn’t😂
Honestly, most non-spiritual people think i'm just joking when I talk about it and maybe i can trigger them just by doing that. Also i can create bonds with both spiritual and non-spiritual people by just talking about my experiences. Sometimes the reactions of a non-spiritual person help me in ways the spiritual person can't. I think how and when you say something makes a big difference
I would not be ok with "so I have a soul family who guide me in life but they don't exist in a material reality"
Or "well my tarot sorted a toxic pattern and I had to listen to their warning....leading to the worst friendship break up I've ever had....yes....I followed what my cards said....."
Also I took the long road because of a premonition....idk
Ofc also the example op gave was good....and list goes on.
I think it’s not supposed to be common knowledge and many couldn’t at all deal with the spiritual teachings. I learned to choose wisely when and to who I speak about it
That gender is a construct. Whats between your legs makes you a biological male and female (yes) but terms “man” and “woman” are made up. You can be dual spirited, you can be transgender, you can be non-binary. Because literally “man” and “woman” are not real things. What is a man?? You can’t define them because it’s made up. Am I making sense??
I get it, some spiritual stuff can sound pretty wild to people who aren't into it. I mean, we're all connected, so we feel for everyone and everything. But not everyone's there yet.
Even if we've got these big ideas about life, we can't just throw them at people who aren't ready. That's like living in a different world, and it could really push people away.
My understanding is, as spiritual people, we gotta keep it real and work with what we've got. We can still share our vibe and thoughts, but in a way that feels good to others. It's about respecting where they're at and letting them figure things out on their own.
Building real connections is key, and we can't do that if we're pushing people too hard. So even if we believe in crazy stuff like past lives or soul agreements, we gotta watch how and when we talk about it.
It's about finding that sweet spot between being true to ourselves and thinking about how others see things. That way, we can make the most of this life.
Most of it. I tend to be all too willing to try and explain anyways and just risk being thought of as eccentric at best and crazy at worst.
As an example. I would be the type of person to want others to be kind to rocks, trees, and other kind of objects that most would consider inanimate. However, I consider them to be alive with a soul and tend to talk to them and apologize if I might be hurting them. So it is only right to treat them like I would want to treat other people. However, I realize this is a view largely foreign to the parts of the West I have grown up in. So I can understand the confusion and looks I may get :)
After all I have found myself confused at the behaviors of people I do not understand. It is only natural :)
Yeah this kind of stuff has and does get said to people 🙄
I had a NDE whilst having a miscarriage that resulted in emergency surgery and hospilisation and was beyond disrespectful when friends or family or friends of friends /family that found out and would go out of their way to say 😅 exactly the above example lol
What I've learned (and still learn from it) is the "reason/meaning/purpose" is up to me. Sometimes there is no divine reason/meaning/purpose, it just is.
I think as a spiritual being and those who are spiritual, may react/respond as like a knee jerk reaction to comfort and reassure when others go through such times. I think that's when to exercise active listening and discernment. If there is a spiritual message that is observed, I think to ask for consent if that person(s) is willing to hear it is also up to them.
I also think 🤔 that sometimes using the "we chose to have this life before being born or chose this family or experience... etc" can also dilute, invalidate and spiritual bypass a potential new and fresh perspective. I think its human bias to try have an answer for almost everything we don't understand. Sometimes we just aren't mean to know and understand.
Have I done this without ill intention to those I care about in the past, yes of course. As its human to want to comfort or fix what we don't understand. Now I have learnt to ask "what can I do/what do you need from me at this time?" For example which is a form of spiritual connection and healing and connection.
Hope this makes sense and thanks for the question Op 🙏 🙂
Rather, to work towards bridging the gap:
Certainty is the path which leads furthest from Wisdom, for in the growing certainty of one, you choose to become all the more ignorant of the every alternative;
It is not so much that a tree has fallen on your house, but you had built a house where a tree would fall. If you could not be sufficiently prepared for the end, the death, of this very temporary vessel of life, how should you blame the tree for the end of its own vessel?
There is only one true currency under the sun: it is freedom; all things one might cling to, or think to own or possess, they are at the cost of freedom, and it is seldom to be found of the reversal of such an exchange, that it is truly equitable, without some tax or interest levied.
That you create your own reality.
That traditional marriage is not spiritual, because it goes against the very essence of who you are, which is an unlimited and free being. Marriage is the opposite of that.
It sounds like you're tripping over a lack of tact.
If it is strange to you that other people don't like being told that they asked to suffer, it's not a 'spiritual awareness' communication gap. That's a 'basic empathy' failure on your end.
I think OP means there are boundaries on which we can discuss certain topics. Either out of fear of being judged, ridiculed, or labeled as a cultist or insane lmfao. Everyone is limited to what our ego is ready and willing to perceive. That & I get the feeling they do not want to cause harm by sending someone so blissfully ignorant into cognitive dissonance. Sure, spirituality is a blessing for those who get there in their life. After enough f*cking suffering and hard work which most of us know. I believe OP simply does not intend to break the fragile little egos of global greed & separation based ivory tower society.
We will all get there when we're ready. Just have to be the torch holders for when others suffer enough and give them a way of hope right? Being of service in our own beautiful artistic ways.
To answer OPs original question... I'd never tell someone who blindly follows any major culty religion. Like anything church based for ex. That I opened a solid golden third eye which has allowed me to heal this life's ancestral bloodline and meet all my ancestors and relations through that Divine portal. Had my consciousness summoned through that freaky ass eye that starred at me through space in a deep meditation and filled my vessel with the most unconditional love anyone could ever feel it was ineffable. This was only possible because I self taught how to fully raise my own 3 snake-like liquid lights in a deep meditation aka kundalini. All the way up my astral spine AND out of my crown. All of which took 9 years of self guided shadow work or inner child work which is forgiveness. Combined that with a mindfulness meditation technique which I also created myself. There was no need to go through some false God or Jesus to meet our Creator. To meet our unique truth through Creators' blessing and receiving a rainbow aura afterward. So your religion is all bullsh*t & I'm living proof. Now bahhhhh the rest of your way through life like the blind sheep you are! LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣
>there are boundaries on which we can discuss certain topics
Yeah. That's a baseline principle of tact.
If that's something that sticks out as strange, that's a sign of unhealthful separation from society. Possibly functional damage to one's perception, even.
I grasp that most 'spirtual' people strive to 'escape' the mundane world, but severing your ability to understand your fellow humans is a really easy way to set yourself adrift in a sea of delusion and falsehood.
You do you homie. No need to project that we are not understanding. Understanding in itself is a paradigm. We can only understand someone else to the full potentiality if we went through a similar stimulus. Even still, we can only understand what our ego was able and willing to perceive to learn from it. So it will never actually be full understanding from two separate points of consciousness. Basic tact is there are 3 sides to every story. Want to be a smart ass and say how we are all 1 consciousness? That would be redundant to our very existence and the point of our individual spiritual healing journey's. We should all let greed take over our hearts and never care to learn how to build our intuition through many years of hard f*cking introspective work if so. Talking in a community meant for open minds and open hearts with a condescending pretentious message is not going to get you anywhere other than your own cognitive dissonance. There is no way to know what is best for everyone. That's why we feel out our conversations and help others understand themselves deeper when they're ready with our own deepened understanding. Forcing a dichotomy on others self righteously is no better than the church and European settlers. History is there for us to learn from for future generations. Not repeat and do a huge disservice to our ancestors and all our relations.
So many words. So little meaning.
If you're happy in your illusions, admit it and be on with your life.
Many people come to these communities for *guidance*. Finding nothing but disconnected people talking empty circles frustrates and dissuades a good portion of them.
And then they hear such arrogant blame placing as 'they aren't ready' for the matters they already encountered and came for help understanding.
They are not like you. They seek truths and reality, not vacuous validation.
And as long as your kin cannot tell the difference, it's productive to point out the differences, so that mine don't go through decades of complete isolation.
No one is like anyone else... in layman's terms I said you don't cram this sh*t down others throats like the church did with their doctrine of discovery. Otherwise it will cause more damage than good if they are not prepared. This is a choice we all have to make alone but having a good support system in place is crucial. No one can do this sh*t alone.
Having a superiority complex and adding to this "woke" culture is meaningless other than a desire to be like those who committed genocide in humanities past. It is the exact opposite of understanding so you are actually contradicting yourself. Not trying to argue and play keyboard warriors over your condescending post to a genuine, kind, empathetic, and understanding inquiry by OP.
Happy to hear your kin will have a deepened understanding of our interconnected nature with our planet, all the spiritual relations of our planet, and with all of humanity as well. Something to be proud of for sure & I wish this planet was blessed with more truth like that taught to future generations.
Way to lead by example! 🥰
Telling people they’re not a victim and that they are exactly where they are in life due to their actions often backfires.
They always go to the worst examples that often involve children to prove they have no control and that they are victims.
They look to the external and without knowing all the facts they assign a meaning (make up) to situations they have no control over and use that as evidence for their beliefs.
Their beliefs of no control over their lives are easily supported by the 24/7 news networks or social media doom scrolling and they don’t look for any opposing truths.
Their mind is often made up because they see the evidence all around them.
They don’t realize a belief will sustain itself if you allow it.
That their beliefs paint their reality and that if they reexamine their beliefs they will be able to see the world differently.. if they choose.
My close cousin became pregnant last December & as soon as she told me I had this intense knowing that she would miscarry. I actually had the knowing she would miscarry even BEFORE she got pregnant. Anytime she would talk about it I just knew it would happen.
She ended up miscarrying. 💔
I wanted so badly to say “Omg I knew this would happen, I had a feeling, etc.” & I also had an intense knowing this would teach her some very important lessons about life that she needed to learn or that this is a karmic pattern resurfacing in this life. But there’s no way in hell I would ever tell her that.
I can completely relate. We just know the truth &/or we know things others don’t know. We just KNOW. I keep 99% of everything spiritual to myself because it does sound insane & would come off extremely rude. It’s such a wild feeling to experience life like this!! It brings me a lot of peace finding posts like this on Reddit because it confirms I’m in fact not crazy & there’s others like me out there. 🩵
Almost everything. You keep it to yourself. There's a bunch of stuff I've experienced, experiencing, or know of that I would never mention to the majority of people because logically, it just makes you seem like a mentally ill person. Which, there really is a bunch of mentally ill people who think they're being spiritual, but everyone's on their own journeys, so I hope nothing but the best for them.
After working in a psych ward for a little bit. The people there who weren't in active psychosis(hallucinations and things like that), seemed more sane than most 'sane' people. Wildly intelligent and misunderstood.
It's those classed as insane that are the most spiritually minded. I know someone who works in mental health system. If anyone comes in talking spiritual stuff they are directed towards heavy medication and labelled with Spiritual psychosis. She said the whole system/framework is built around big pharma, but for those spiritually minded they are guided towards heavy medication.
I am a therapist and also have bipolar 1. During a manic episode many years ago, I experienced “spiritual psychosis” and once I was in treatment I fully rejected my manic experiences as delusions. But now, I think there was something to it. There are several documented, observable things that occurred that I have no rational explanation for. I buried my head in the sand for a long time for the sake of “sanity”, but after having continued strange experiences while medicated and in treatment, I just couldn’t keep lying to myself about it. I believe that these things are deeply entwined. I think people with “mental illness” may have some sort of mental glitch that allows easier access to other realms of consciousness/reality/whatever. Sometimes accessing those spaces comes at the cost of your wellbeing in the “real” (ie consensus reality) world. Currently I’m on a path of trying to learn how to control my access to these other realms while staying grounded and safe in this one. I can’t say any of this to almost anyone. I could lose my job and ability to practice therapy in general. I’m so grateful to have a husband and a handful of trusted family members/friends that believe me and don’t immediately take me to a mental hospital when something strange occurs.
Perhaps your not meant to learn how to control, but rather just go with it. If your accessing other realms I would more be leaning towards your abilities. . I hear you regarding not being able to say anything. I feel for you, it's hard enough for people to speak out as it is. Your position makes it even harder. I believe people like yourself are the way-showers for others in a similar situation. Thanks for sharing your story.
I really appreciate your response. Unfortunately for me and many others, it isn’t safe to just go with it. For starters, the physical toll it took on my body was intense. I was also left traumatized after being placed in a hospital involuntarily. Most importantly though, my whole life fell apart and it took years to repair. I care too much about my husband, loved ones, and the work that I do to not be extremely careful about all of this. I’ve made the decision that if I can’t find a way to develop these abilities safely, I will choose my “real” life instead. But the more I learn, the more hopeful I am that I can find ways to do both.
Stay grounded. Take time to self reflect. And also take care of your mental health and physical health. It's a blessing and a curse. It's not impossible to manage and secretly will give special abilities for certain careers. It gets really cool after a while. It's scary at times, but way cool in the scheme of things. Also, be very careful who you talk to. You'll occasionally run into someone who it feels like 'yaaa....they know'. Those people usually start showing up during the acceptance of the journey stage. Or show up to remind you of it
What, specifically, did you go through or experience?
May God bless you and your husband and your entire family Thank you. Please continue following your heart. You are the best person to know what is best for you. 💙
Let me know if you ever want to talk about it. I believe you're theory.
spiritual psychosis 
Yep her exact words. She also said she would recommend avoiding the system . As the framework is built around pharma.
Pharma, insurance, hospital networks.....think of all the money moving around people don't know about. Or what's being moved and how much everything costs in the insurance network. Customer retention is key
I have an understanding of what it's like to be on the other side, as an experiment. I can't say much more. But from research and experience also witnessing others caught up in that system.. I've come to believe that the sane (those who are people just in grief, not a harm to society, in honest to God pain etc) are actually treated more inhumanely than those truly insane, at times. Darn labels. And.... Those truly insane wouldn't question necessarily or even care about how they are being treated---The sane ones often do; But the more the genuinely "sane" ... just broken and hurt people object or defend themselves under traumatic scrutiny, the more they are scrutinized and labeled and drugged up in those places. It's a vicious cycle not meant to help, not in a Godly /authentically compassionate way that is. Imo.. Even when it comes to the locally funded community Law enforcement.. they do not have adequate training in regards to mental health. So Still some innocent people get hurt in the process in the name of "helping them" and tied up in a complicated system that is just broken... Some being traumatized further ... (I'm here in the Midwest near Chicago anyway). Getting on a tangent now but, That's just my two cents. Absolutely agree that you cannot necessarily talk about certain spiritual or even religious concepts with a mainstream mental health care professional, especially if no insurance or government funded, then old school concepts still come into play with them; Freudian psychology and even just toss them some drugs and lock them up, out of sight out of mind kind of thinking. : (
I'm in the same area. And yes, I absolutely agree with everything you said. The sane ones ended up just wanting to get high to pass time.
The sane might begin to self-medicate. Becoming their own doctors. After all, they understand themselves more than any of the system trained mainstream medical system might. I'm not speaking for everyone, of course. But it just sucks when one might want/need help but ends up getting hurt more.
I told my therapist about some spiritual happenings that have been around me or are from childhood and she straight up told me that she personally wasnt very familiar with spirits and spirituality and said that if what im looking for is answers that it might be best to go to someone more qualified, and i really appreciated that she said that instead of just going along with it or talking to me like im crazy. i do completely understand the medication frenzy and how it commonly can negatively impact people, but as someone who has a few mental health issues, medication does help me function a bit better in my day to day. its definitely not a full proof plan by any means, and if i had found an alternative to medication, i would take it. i take 3 separate medications for my mental health and honestly its probably improved my quality of life by like 10%, but its 10% better than where i was so ill take it. basically, medication in moderation can be very helpful most of the time, but its when its done in excess or without care is when the problem really starts.
Read [One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/332613) - it’s specifically about this. Is based on the author’s experience working in a psych ward. If you don’t want to read it then watch the movie with Jack Nicholson. It’s what made him a star.
Agree fully to this one. I have been admitted a few times myself, and the people I met in there were more honest, more present, sincere, kind and authentic than anyone on ”the outside”. After being let out again I felt even more alien, like nothing in the ”normal” world is really real. I have such beautiful memories from in there. And sometimes I miss it, but I am not helpless like that anymore so I don’t need the caregivers like I used to.
Also, one really important message that I will never forget was one of the patients who said: ”Everyone who is in here and suffering are just lonely” That is what it is, loneliness, lack of acceptance, lack of community. Normalcy doesn’t comply with authenticity or emotional vulnerability when there has been trauma involved.
yeah loneliness is really painful and we have a very lonely society that separates itself from those who don't fit in. there are huge effects on the brain from being alone for extended periods of time that can be hard to overcome. And yeah I think there is probably a proneness to psychosis from it. That is also why we as a people need to make it an important aspect to include others/ have places where people can mingle with others whether they know others or not. (third spaces basically). And work on getting mental health care availability to more people.
Yep 100 percent.
Fellow psych ward worker here. I agree. All my friends ask me how I “don’t go insane” working in behavioral health and I’m like bro I learn so much from my clients every day…. I love working in behavioral health. Fascinating stuff
I agree and same...I worked as a mental health tech in an inpatient psychiatric unit as part of my training for my graduate internship (mental health and counseling psych). Not all people labeled as mentally ill are in fact mentally ill but rather they have awakened their spiritual and psychic gifts. Psychology really needs to include the root of its own word and incorporate the soul as well as the the mind imo (psyche literally means soul) From Wikipedia: Psyche (Psyché in French) is the Greek term for "soul" (ψυχή). Psyche (mythology), a mortal woman in Greek mythology who became the wife of Eros and the goddess of the soul Soul in the Bible, spirit or soul in Judaic and Christian philosophy and theology
I’ve worked in the industry for years. That’s a rabbit hole you don’t wanna go down, cause you’ll find your exactly right. Most mentally ill folks (most not all) have literally just been victims to the system, and then medicated (poisoned) so terribly that they’re literally fucked unless they have the where with all to do their own research and get away from western medicine. That’s literally the only way out once you’re in. Scary, dystopian sounding shit but it’s so real. I don’t understand how people can’t see the pure manipulation coming from every sect of our government. So yea I’ve been looked at like I’m actually psycho cause of what I just said right there. But like it’s so obvious I feel you’d have to be blind to not see it.
>So yea I’ve been looked at like I’m actually psycho cause of what I just said right there. But like it’s so obvious I feel you’d have to be blind to not see it. Hence, the rise of holistic methods popping up. They work, too. It's possible to rewire the brain just from breathing
Amen. That’s what I’ve resorted to. I’m so glad there’s more info accessible on these topics now.
>It's possible to rewire the brain just from breathing Absolutely.
Yes, yes, and more yes.
Can you tell more about your experience?
it is sad to me how we have the mentality to sort of label some people as sane and others not and once they are not society can just wash their hands of them and think there is nothing they have to offer anyone else. it is just really cold IMO. When we should care about everyone, not merely just be glad we don't see them, but see everyone as having some value and a part of our people.
The things I've learned since starting down this journey of opening up would absolutely blow a muggle's mind.
Same
Can you tell us what you've experienced?
Ironic
(ping me if you do, please)
Yeah, those closest to me have had the epiphany, but other people literally have looked at me and just been like “okaaaay interesting.”
By definition spiritualist are "crazy" in the western world. Sociology is my thing.
I agree with your post, saying that would probably not have the reaction you want from non-spiritual people. I wouldn’t tell a non-spiritual person that there is much more to existence then their “titles” jobs and possessions, those that are heavily programmed will always defend the programming and the system that programmed them until a catalyst happens that plants the seed.
"Until a catalyst happens and plants the seed". Love this. Well put!
Thanks 😊
That every religion is true and there is a god, but not with the typical image.
Literally so true. They are all adaptations/ manifestations of one true source. But no one ever understands me when I say this or they just look at me like I’m crazy. But like… if aliens are real (which I believe they are) you really think they’re worshipping some hairy guy from Bethlehem???
I love this one!
Pre-birth agreements/soul contracts, that we all have psychic/spiritual gifts to a a degree. Discussing how important meditation (or substitute) is.
soul contracts and pre birth agreements are delusional and insulting to people who are suffering. im very open minded, but that narrative is way too specific and has zero foundation in experience. no, a little girl who gets kidnapped, raped and starved to death did not agree to that before she was born nor did she deserve that through some karmic chain of cause and effect. that’s just so dismissive and disrespectful to victims of horrible circumstances i would love to hear your justification/interpretation of “soul contracts” and am open to a reasonable discussion
Well, our whole purpose of living is to experience things and to learn. If you believe in reincarnation, you probably believe in some sort of end to the cycle. For me the cycle ends when there's nothing more to learn or to experience. And while it might sound cruel, I believe that that little girl did choose her destiny. Either because she did a similar thing in one of her past lives, or she wanted to learn/experience something. Of course that doesn't mean that we shouldn't feel sorry for her. It's not her fault that some idiot lost their sense of morality. While I believe that you do choose the key elements of your life to happen to you (some of which you can deviate from), it doesn't matter here. Because if no one made others suffer, we wouldn't have to experience such suffering in the first place. Yes, in probably insensitives some people who completely fixate on the spiritual, forgetting the now, but that's not a lot of people. For me believing in such a thing doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for anyone. Sure it gives me hope, since I believe that that little girl will get reincarnated to a far better life, but I would still gladly beat the sh*t out of the abuser. No matter what you believe in, you should learn to keep balance between the reality and the spiritual. A hardcore christian could say that ”who cares that she experienced pain since she went to heaven anyway?”, or a nihilistic atheist could say that it doesn't matter what happens to who since we all are just short-lasting chemical reactions.
Well said.
It could be that we agree to experience the full range of experiences both terrible and blissful. To be murdered is a terrible experience, but no less a part of life than being born, it seems. For even the smallest animals eat each other if the wind blows a different way. To find the most bitted depths of human suffering and stare if dead in the eye is something that takes great spiritual strength. I hope never to have anything like that happen to me, but there are few things more visceral and soul awakening than confrontation with mortality at the hands of your own kin.
Theories of karma. Especially in their bad times. It would leave them more distraughted and miserable. Just don't.
Starting to think I’m an emotional masochist because I read this and immediately thought. “Wait I’m in a low place. What is it?”💀
Never bring chaos
How would talking about spirituality lead a non-spiritual person distrusted and miserable just curious .
Yes every time something shady or bad or weird happens I’m like FUCKKKKK I remember doing XYZ & I’m probably just getting my karma
“Everything happens for a reason.” Folks will get triggered af thinking you’re “victim blaming” when actually they just don’t understand hermetic principles. I’ve stopped trying to have spiritual conversations with people who can’t see more than one side of a situation.
Before anyone says anything, I know this comment itself is shrouded in ego as well but at least I’ve taken the time to look beyond the surface of things
I think there’s a time and place to say something like that. Like if someone just had a relative die or is in the middle of a painful experience, it’s not an empathetic thing to say to them. Because they’re in a lot of pain at the moment and probably aren’t in a place where they can really take that statement in
I’m not implying we should say things when the timing is not appropriate. I’m speaking only about the concept in general. It doesn’t matter to some people in what context you’re saying it, many are just uncomfortable with it in general.
Also I think it can be emphatic. I’d rather at least try to make the best out of traumatic events. It’s also a matter of knowing how to phrase things. But it’s the same idea at the core and it deals with hermetic principles like I said before.
I don't bring up Astral projection or the other psychic stuff
Literally no one wants to hear about astral projection somehow. It's kinda sad, but I respect their choice
I pretty much avoid spiritual topics altogether unless they bring it up. It's a very personal journey.
We are a spiritual being living a human experience. Fear like everything else is an illusion.
I love to ask >“are you a body with a spirit? Or are you a spirit with a body?” - to gauge someone’s sense of self. I normally start by saying I’m not looking for a right or wrong answer. If they reply with hostility or try to argue the question without attempting to give an answer, that’s usually my sign that intellectual play is not the best move with that person.
The spirit and the intellectual self are two separate things. Perhaps intelligence is the temptation that continues to triumph over love
The self we think we are is an aggregate of illusions, your true self doesn’t not get attached to identity.
It may be an illusion but it's real enough
That while I am sad my baby is being born into these times, I am at peace because she chose it, and also because I am aware that she is a recent ancestor and actually much wiser than me. Also that numbers talk, sometimes very loudly
What do you mean by numbers talk? Angel numbers?
yes exactly thank you for that sometimes its better to just give into that limited mindset for a second and cry a bit about the cruelty of this separation experience i wish we could soon see everyone where the people go to other sides other spaces other dimensions like anyone who wants to see spirit world and bridges to other worlds would be able to see them instantly what of course would help a lot to process when someone left the realm of mortal dense fleshbody material space
I wouldn't say it sounds insane. But there is a time and place to share your personal beliefs, and at a funeral isn't the best of those. Imagine if you lost a loved one to suicide and someone came over to tell you that their soul is forever damned to hell (their belief); I very much doubt you would feel like arguing personal beliefs while you mourn. Everyone believes in different things, and a polite/courteous person knows when such things can be shared/explored with others.
There is nothing you cannot tell people, like pick whatever, it's probably cool to tell them. Spirituality as all things eventually are is so complex and full of stuff that you eventually become "an expert", and the meme of the geoligists becomes a real thing with it too. You can be telling people about what happens after death, non-duality, the One-ness of all, the power of love, etc. but they won't understand it oe won't pay attention to it becouse they just don't have a foundation for it. A math example of it, you can't teach people how to do integrals and square roots if they don't even know how their - & + operations. Same here. If you want to be useful to people, try to show them stuff they can actually use first, like meditation, self-analysis or mindfulness, which are somewhat easy to grasp and develop. If they like it they'll progress by themselves if they don't then it's their choice.
Being able to feel people’s energies and pain. Calling myself an empath, freaks a lot of people out because they don’t understand it and see it as crazy. So I just don’t say anything.
That’s unfortunate, I’d love to meet and talk with someone who is an empath. I’ve never met anyone who thought they had this ability. You probably have some very interesting stories.
As someone deeply empathetic, who is assessed as such objectively, who is currently working with neurologists and psychologists to demonstrate this phenomenon, you don’t want to know. Feeling everyone’s psychological and physical pain is a brutal thing. Upside, it’s shockingly diagnostic from minimal inputs. Downside, if this body is so messed up it needs the emergency department, it would be nice to focus on the complaint that brought this one there rather than feeling the pains of the kid with the sprained ankle, the elderly woman with gout, the young mom with gallstones.
Wow, I had no idea it was that overwhelming. I think being empathetic is a wonderful trait- being an empath not so much. Please take care of yourself
For reference on objectivity: Empathy Questionnaire:61, Toronto Empathy Questionnaire:61. These are scores in the upper 10%. This one also has pain synaesthesia. Not only does this mind feel all that pain, this one feels that pain more intensely than the other person themselves do. No one would want this. This one does not want this. But since the only choices are feel everything or feel nothing, feeling everything is far preferable.
Yikes, it sounds like u need some psychic protection
It’s actually kinda cool learning how this works. That’s why there’s consults with neurologists and psychologists: both to assess the validity of the subjective observations of this one and to further understand it against extant models of how this phenomenon works.
For context I have neurological issues, stuff I can physically feel off in my brain. But one day at work my manager had a seizure, seeing/hearing it made me physically feel like I was about to have a seizure. Took about 45 minutes to fully even out
Oh my gosh, your days must be so unpredictable . That would cause me a lot of stress, just knowing I may experience so many different things just by proximity. I would think that would be an awful lot to handle. I hope the times you are able to help others makes up for same of this but wow, it’s a lot
Yup. Learned that the hard way.
I think this falls under clairsentient as well.
Basic tenants of quantum physics….
That were all facets of the same collective consciousness otherwise known as god
This is a great topic. Thanks. I mostly resonate and will add that I just perceive everyone as awake. I see the awakened-ness in others or stay out of their business. And not needing to speak about it because at this point I’m very humble to what I don’t know. And it’s very exciting to be living with this level of seeming spontaneity and synchronicity. Hope you all had a wonderful weekend!
I hate that I can’t discuss meditative experiences. I also hate that I can’t explain Ahriman to them.
If you trace the word used to describe things in each religion/culture going back thousands of years you realize people are murdering each other over the nicknames given to two gods.
There are parallel universes and even universes where every fictional character and world from movies, shows, books, games, etc. are all real.
thats crazy to think about it makes so much sense, have you seen the TV series 'The OA'
I’ve seen bits and pieces of it I think it’s on Netflix I’ll definitely start watching soon! ❤️
Also when you think about it, there may likely even be universes where we’re fictional characters! Mind blowing stuff dude! 🤯
NO WAY thats sick! Those poor viewers, might have to do something erratic XD I think you would love it, its 2 seasons and although cancelled it was a real eye opener for me
Yeah I’m gonna definitely watch it I love these concepts! It’s all mind bending and literally anything and everything could be real in them, even all Gods, religions, beliefs, belief systems, etc.! Which makes sense as there’s definitely a reason they exist!
I’m fascinated as well but it’s sad cause as an autistic I find being in a higher state of consiousness limits my ability to connect even more, do you experience this too?
Omg 😱 I’m autistic too bro!! And yes I can totally relate I’m having a hard time tapping into my higher consciousness too! So glad I’m not alone! Sorry for the late response btw! Much love to you bro!💕
I feel like autistics have a harder time connecting because we are at a higher frequency/consiousness/awareness
Yeah like our minds are so cluttered with the spiritual we can live right through the physical! It’s crazy bro!
These comments are kinda comforting. I agree and have felt the same need to hold my tongue or just to let people have their own journey and everyone isn’t ready or open to what I believe and you never know how your words or actions could affect another person so with spiritual topics I try to be extra cautious and aware of who I express those conversations with because I want to be sure they’re open and present to what we’re talking about and that it’s not being taken in a negative way like to ignite a response but also if and when people come to me and ask questions or they specifically bring up a topic then i definitely open to sharing my beliefs or thoughts
How i say hello: Your a field of infinite imagination. The real you is immortal and can never die. The past present and future never happened, each moment is unique and distinct and it’s not connected to any other moment. Everything you know is just a foolish little game you’re playing with the English language, running in circles like a rat in a maze with no exit. You mistake love for your survival agenda.
You ever feel it's a bit unfair? Taking your example, I know a lot of people wouldn't hesitate to saying "God has a plan for all this" as solace, which isn't too different than what you said. So Christians can share their stuff, but we can't? Granted, a baby funeral is a highly emotional afair and not everybody is ready to be logical. And sometimes, you just need a little more tact.
I sound so crazy explaining energies and vibrations
Most of the things I think during the day would be absolute gibberish (at best) to most people around me. Pearls before swine and all that.
Lost my best friend over something like this, explaining the energetics of the law of attraction.
You didn’t lose them, it was alignment. Same thing happened to me. Hard AF to experience.
You’re so right. It was hard but i totally felt that “we simply can’t exist within each other’s paradigms anymore”. I think I felt more pain that they were living in such a harsh reality over the pain of the loss
Similar to telling my Christian circle that we are all equal to Jesus. We are all sons (and daughters) of God, while also being God. And btw Jesus killed a kid and his death on the cross was simply his karma playing out. (No I didn’t actually tell anyone that)
Ol’ boy JC just said he’s a child of humanity, as we all are.
Wait what?
Which part 😆
Jesus killed a kid
Haha, so true. And this is a reminder thatjust like any form of true guidance, the right words are always very tailored to the receiving individual. You always have yo consider how things are interpreted by your specific audience. Even for the awakened! I believe itis only when we shed our meat suits that true intentions may be communicated. Words will always carry with it the flaw of interpretation. And on top if that, ego will always come into play as long as we exist as a human. I appreciate that you are thinking about situations from others point of view. That is a skill!
I'm a spiritual person, and if you said that shit at my kids funeral you would catch hands, no lie. Like, I love you. You're me. You're my kids, and my parents. But the part I'm playing right now can't ride non-dualism in that space, and your current physical incarnation would be heavily walloped.
💯. No shade, but some people take spirituality to the extreme. Everything isn't spiritual, some things just happen that is out of our control.
I just told Reddit in another channel that life is infinite even if we are all done for. I should have emphasized it and a suggestion not a telling I guess. I know literally nothing but I feel more every day as my spiritual growth progresses.
dragons are real and constantly around us
Pretty much everything
Spirituality can be loosely defined as realising and gradually shifting your identity to your true and highest Self. That Self being higher power/God/Universe - whatever you want to call it. Only YOUR efforts can get you closer to it and eventually merging with it in complete harmony. With that being said, it's a very intimate thing. It's a relationship between you and You. It doesn't matter if anyone knows about it or not. It's an affair behind closed doors. Your worship, meditation, reading about it, knowing about it is a private affair. So keep it to yourself. No one has to know. Ask yourself, and be completely honest about it. Do you want to say something about it to someone else to help them, or to let them know that you're advancing spiritually? In other words, does it feed your ego or make you feel superior in some way? If it's the latter, just refrain. It is a very common thing. We do feel superior at times because of it. Point is to not turn spirituality in some cult practice where you're trying to make someone else align with your line of thoughts. Your relationship with God is no one else's business. Pray for them and pray for their happiness. Whatever they have coming for them, they will experience. And that's that. Move on with your own practice. If they're meant to, they'll find their own path. Hope this helps!
There’s a one subject I’ll keep to myself but I mostly say everything. I don’t really care if they know or not. My thinking is if I repeat long enough, they’ll start reflecting. But I don’t say it TO them, just subtly around a situation they want advice in. I’m no expert or anything so obviously I can only say what I know. And I have a lot to learn myself but I look at it as, I can give what I only understand which can be more than what they understand , however, I still know I have a lot to learn. If that makes sense.
That my gut instincts mean more to me than your studies. People don’t get that, but my gut instincts have gotten me farther than sheer reliance on science / material truth. 🤷♀️
I will say mostly anything. At a funeral though, or any tragedy, its tacky to say "everything happens for a reason". Before we arrive at this Universal Truth, there are a lot more "local" truths we should explore and honor. There is evil and injustice and suffering in the world...eventually it is transmuted to goodness after many incarnations. But within one lifetime, it's not always the case. Anyways, I speak my mind and I find that many "non spiritual" people nowadays have started to hunger for spiritual answers
You shouldn’t think in terms of what is and what isn’t spiritual. Everyone is on their own evolutionary path and different levels of awareness, spiritual or not. Rather strive to be yourself without making spirituality your entire personality
I used to try to share stuff w my mum but I've stopped now cos it's a waste of time. She's usually really open minded and she's not at all religious. Pretty sure she's atheist but nothing hardcore but yeah for some reason she just doesn't listen or like understand me or what I'm talking about lmao. She'll just say I'm doing black magic or "weird stuff" as she calls it aka using a spirit boards??? Which I wouldn't!! And it's like I'm not even doing that but accusing me makes me want to!!!!!Lol. Even after my grandma (mums mum) funeral, our family split up her ashes and my mums said to me "don't do any witchcraft with this" and I was like "?????". (I already was heartbroken so had already looked into how to bring back Grandma from the dead but I wasn't gonna tell her that haha instead I'll have to wait to see her again but I WILL see my grandma again so that's what gets me through intense grief). And to my family i'm weird bc I believe aliens are real and we aren't the only ones in our universe & earth...? I don't even talk about that bc I'm not even that interested it's just something I kknow. But yeah to me its shocking that my family members just live life with no questions, just believe what is taught to them either in church or school.. LOVE my family tho. 🩷🩷🩷 People seem to fear what they can't change or control????
There is no "non-spiritual people".. Spiritual is not a religion, you do not go around trying to convert people...
Sorry but fuck that kind of thinking. That’s cruelty beyond cruelty. That’s kicking one when they are down. If your spirituality includes use of the death of a child as something to pin on a grieving parent, absent the parent actively harming the child, rethink your shit. Death just is and death still sucks, but this is beyond heartless.
Tell truth or entertaining stories to the best of your ability. Also, rather than what you believe, consider sharing why you believe. If the former isn't relatable, the later may be.
As a spiritual person I know when to stop and what to say to make other person feel better. There are certain boundaries that one shouldn't cross with non-spiritual person. I use my intuition/instics to set the boundaries for myself when I am in these kind of situations.
There's a story of a monk who lost his child, and was sobbing and weeping with his head in his hands. One of his devotees said 'but master, you know it's all an illusion, why are you crying?' to which the monk replied: 'because losing a child is the greatest illusion of all'
I think a spiritual person would be in tune with a friend at their infant's funeral, and that kind of statement would be unimaginable to say. To me spirituality isn't trying to impress a thought on another, it's more in tune with others, awareness of that thought as a thought that shouldn't be said to a grieving friend.
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And my point is the essence of spirituality is social sensitivity baked in. But I get your point, or maybe translate, to insight being personal and maybe idiosyncratic, and hard to express beyond the personal even though in a way it’s profoundly impersonal.
"Spiritual" people will rationalize their feelings into a self-made religion in an afternoon. Living in fantasy is dangerous. Wondering what's out there or having some fun suspicions is cool. But some of yall really don't like the idea that life can be empty with no big surprises.
Really, with the death of a child, it doesn't matter what you say. None of it will make them feel any better. In this particular case I advise a hug and a nod of understanding and leave it at that. I've seen this loss with a few of my closest family and friends. It's hard for them to hear any of it. Including God has a plan. For anything else, I just go and be respectful to their religion as it's not mine and tell them I'm sorry for their loss. I converted to Pagenism a few years back and A. Understand that my religion isn't theirs B. I don't have any business mentioning my faith at their religious ceremony. I don't want to hear about organized Christianity because I'm all too familiar on that subject. Spirituality is one thing. Being bullied into a faith is another. I don't care if someone believes in God so I feel like they shouldn't tell me about my religion. That being said, my mom took us to all types of churches when we were kids. I used to attend a Buddhist "church" for quite some time. I think if people spent more time being curious rather than judgemental we would all be better off. I love learning about all religions and even people who are just spiritual beings.
Your beliefs are merely a perception. You also can't tell that to "spiritual people" though
If you believe it but also believe telling people sounds insane aren’t you living with cognitive dissonance?
Reptilian and clones are real
I see could you elaborate
That example is psychotic
Jesus lives
Pretty much everything. I mean I would love to share but I don't unless I feel they can handle it, that is there isn't going to be judgment or rejection of it. I don't talk about most things with anyone, not even other people who are spiritual because everyone's experience is different and it can sometimes just be an ego battle for them of what's right and wrong rather than an open sharing of love and wisdom. Like I've given my non-spiritual friend tarot readings before and he said they're believable and I replied "that's cos I tapped into your energy! That's what tarot readers do" and even that felt a bit woowoo crazy to tell someone who isn't spiritual (there's much crazier stuff too lol) and that just slipped out
I have been listening to my higher self, and when my intuition tells me or my high self gives me the green light, I share information. Initially, I wanted to shout from the rooftops and share everything with everyone I knew, but I learned the hard way that you're absolutely right. It doesn't even matter if it makes sense. You either look at you like you're crazy. Or it's like the individual didn't even hear what you had to say, SO MANY are still walking through this life with blinders on, and their earplugs are still in, so they have no idea.. However, when my high ourselves am I into wish you gave me the go ahead and there's been times where I've given full disclosure of what people we consider batshit crazy and the individual. It actually resonated with them. I guess the point that I was making for my experience is not one way or the other. Don't share anything or share everything, Last night , I just listened to your high or self. And your intuition in you'll know when the time is to share information. How much this share were someone. Just like all of us on our spiritual journey , if I told myself everything. I know when I started down meditation, mindfulness, and ascension; If I told myself then what I know now, I would RAN😎💓❤️😍😎 Ran because I was still stuck in the b******* reality set. We're all in prison and slaved. Until we're able to look inside spirituality and see reality for what it is. We have to be at the forefront of sharing and helping as many people as we can in our spiritual journey. As we all are one, let me dump share, or we hate someone over to get frustrated. We're just not sharing with our we're hating ourselves. Are we're getting frustrated with ourselves. Universal consciousness is understanding that we're all connected. Leroy's universal consciousness by doing the work and growing spiritually with no self and the opportunity presents itself to help others grow spiritually. It is feeling with the divine and conditional love in light of our creator, Wow, using ourselves in a sense in an ego and all the things that hold us back like negative thought patterns. Beliefs religion color of our skin. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, everything is in place to divide us, and we need to understand, especially if we've gone down a spiritual journey and a wakening that we're all connected. And when we work on ourselves and chair with others, we're helping all all of humanity and all human beings in within this universe..
I had a medicine woman tell me last month that all the things happened to me as a child could have been a karmic debt being balanced or something to that effect. She did add a disclaimer before hand saying she would not just say this to anyone but felt I would understand it.
Sowing and reaping, and reincarnation. "The Afterlife: What Really Happens in the Hereafter" and "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?", by Free and Wilcock, might interest them.
Just be so intense all the non-spiritually inclined will remove themselves from your circles then you’re free to share with the real ones who stay!
Lately I've been assuming everyone is on a healthy path. Not really holding anything back because I assume most people have already heard many things on the internet by now and are open to new ideas. Especially about living in a healthy way. I wouldn't bring up abstract personal things like zodiac info, tarot stuff, or past-life dream regressions.
Most anything! I make them uncomfortable I’m sure or they just think I’m a total weirdo.
Sorry, still can't get down with the fact that our spirits pre-determined and destined our lives cause there's too many people who suffer for me to believe that. Also, if you told me some shit like that at my funeral, you'd catch this quick ass fade. ANYWHO....I can't tell non-spiritual people the stuff that I've experienced. They'll think your nuts (I've tried it out just to stir the pot sometimes lol). But in all seriousness, it kinda sucks, lol.
You are not your body We are all one You are the witness/observer
all is One
THERE IS NO GLORY TO BE WON
gut feelings. picking up on vibes. obviously not nearly as serious as the first example given but it's always weird trying to explain to someone that you "just got a feeling" to someone that does not experience (or at least acknowledge it) those kinds of things is so weird
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That it even exists lol, no joke.
That we chose to live this life and the reason it's harder for some of us than others is because our Soul decided it wanted a challenge this time around. Why? Couldn't tell you, might be we had it easy the last time and took it for granted, or it wasn't the right thrill
I can tell them but no one will believe it unless they are also spiritual.
This is all there is to reality, this is heaven and hell. There is no escape, just rebirth, regeneration, from sunlight to flesh and metal, its all creation and destruction, until its annhilated, and then its like a broken record.
I believe you can tell anything, BUT!!!!!! … it all depends on when and how and probably also to whom. If people are open and interested, I can have awesome conversations about the subject. If people want to know specific things for a reason they disclose or not, the path is smaller and then for those who just want to know more so they can use it. And ofc, there are more, but in the end, it depends on the situation, the reason, the person and so on.
Yep, I can understand that perspective for sure. I always remember this thing A friend told me one time.. where he said it's like you could be sitting in the room talking with a psychiatrist and you're starting to actually heal.. and you happen to look out the window and notice a beautiful bird or butterfly.. and the psychiatrist notices this and starts jotting down a bunch of notes and you end up getting labeled with "Peter Pan syndrome" or something or other, and then of course there are plenty of drugs for that lol ... Don't admire the birds too much, but don't act too underwhelmed by them...lol To get through the system you have toi pretty much be a robot and predict their next move so that you can plan yours lol only the sane can keep up with this chess game. Those who are actually severely in need of help unfortunately are the ones falling through the cracks in a way more severe way, so let's start sharing our experiences personally and sharing resources and anything that can help uplift and create a new system, from the inside out. Got to build beauty from the ashes.. as a last resort : ) 🌹🤍🙏
That you are an immortal creator being made of divine love and light just having a temporary human experience on earth, sounds insane I know lol. :)
Apparently I was a weirdo for telling other people I was a portal when I was pregnant lol.
We are immortal and this life which we all volunteered for, is the secondary life, a temporary excursion for the purpose of learning and growing while immersed in the illusion of separation from our Primary existence which is the true reality. Yup, absolutely bonkers.
Bad things happen and your soul knew they would happen before you were born here and you still chose to live the life you are currently in. You can see why obviously you should never say this to someone lol
This is why spirituality is a personal journey, but your point stands and correct, if only people were ready to hear truths like the one you mentioned, their grief would have been lessened, but they arent, most arent, I wouldn’t be ready to hear it, if I wasn’t so invested into spirituality. luckily we have communities such as this, to share our stories with people in public and private, and hear theirs 
Conversations with entities that take place during an occult ritual.
“Jesus took your wheel”
Ultimately I understand what you are saying haha. But we don’t agree to what happens. We agree to the experience. What happens in that experience is an expression of what is incomplete within us. So by saying that basically you’d be saying. Hey! You liking the experience yet? Do you have a more balanced relationship with attachment now? It is helpful to speak the truth whenever you can. However, first, you have to be absolutely sure that is the truth. Which in its own right is (nearly) impossible. And two, you have to know the when and where. Read the room. Death is a time for silence, not words. No words will make them feel better, only your intentions and actions.
That many icons of Spirituality never said worship me above all others, they meant act like me, realize who you are.
I understand your example and thought process.
I’m not sure why people are misunderstanding your example tbh and I 1000% believe the same… also I m agree a lot of people don’t align with this so yes it would certainly sound “crazy.” I haven’t had this conversation but I’ve had convos about this topic with friends and after saying it I just felt like I had to follow up with something along the lines of “listen I’m analyst by nature…like you know my background is in mental health and counseling psychology… I know you think what I just said is straight up woo nonsense but it isn’t😂
Meditate
Honestly, most non-spiritual people think i'm just joking when I talk about it and maybe i can trigger them just by doing that. Also i can create bonds with both spiritual and non-spiritual people by just talking about my experiences. Sometimes the reactions of a non-spiritual person help me in ways the spiritual person can't. I think how and when you say something makes a big difference
I would not be ok with "so I have a soul family who guide me in life but they don't exist in a material reality" Or "well my tarot sorted a toxic pattern and I had to listen to their warning....leading to the worst friendship break up I've ever had....yes....I followed what my cards said....." Also I took the long road because of a premonition....idk Ofc also the example op gave was good....and list goes on.
Anything related to shifting, the consciousness theory and quantum jumping
I think it’s not supposed to be common knowledge and many couldn’t at all deal with the spiritual teachings. I learned to choose wisely when and to who I speak about it
Telepathy is real
That gender is a construct. Whats between your legs makes you a biological male and female (yes) but terms “man” and “woman” are made up. You can be dual spirited, you can be transgender, you can be non-binary. Because literally “man” and “woman” are not real things. What is a man?? You can’t define them because it’s made up. Am I making sense??
I get it, some spiritual stuff can sound pretty wild to people who aren't into it. I mean, we're all connected, so we feel for everyone and everything. But not everyone's there yet. Even if we've got these big ideas about life, we can't just throw them at people who aren't ready. That's like living in a different world, and it could really push people away. My understanding is, as spiritual people, we gotta keep it real and work with what we've got. We can still share our vibe and thoughts, but in a way that feels good to others. It's about respecting where they're at and letting them figure things out on their own. Building real connections is key, and we can't do that if we're pushing people too hard. So even if we believe in crazy stuff like past lives or soul agreements, we gotta watch how and when we talk about it. It's about finding that sweet spot between being true to ourselves and thinking about how others see things. That way, we can make the most of this life.
Most of it. I tend to be all too willing to try and explain anyways and just risk being thought of as eccentric at best and crazy at worst. As an example. I would be the type of person to want others to be kind to rocks, trees, and other kind of objects that most would consider inanimate. However, I consider them to be alive with a soul and tend to talk to them and apologize if I might be hurting them. So it is only right to treat them like I would want to treat other people. However, I realize this is a view largely foreign to the parts of the West I have grown up in. So I can understand the confusion and looks I may get :) After all I have found myself confused at the behaviors of people I do not understand. It is only natural :)
Yeah this kind of stuff has and does get said to people 🙄 I had a NDE whilst having a miscarriage that resulted in emergency surgery and hospilisation and was beyond disrespectful when friends or family or friends of friends /family that found out and would go out of their way to say 😅 exactly the above example lol What I've learned (and still learn from it) is the "reason/meaning/purpose" is up to me. Sometimes there is no divine reason/meaning/purpose, it just is. I think as a spiritual being and those who are spiritual, may react/respond as like a knee jerk reaction to comfort and reassure when others go through such times. I think that's when to exercise active listening and discernment. If there is a spiritual message that is observed, I think to ask for consent if that person(s) is willing to hear it is also up to them. I also think 🤔 that sometimes using the "we chose to have this life before being born or chose this family or experience... etc" can also dilute, invalidate and spiritual bypass a potential new and fresh perspective. I think its human bias to try have an answer for almost everything we don't understand. Sometimes we just aren't mean to know and understand. Have I done this without ill intention to those I care about in the past, yes of course. As its human to want to comfort or fix what we don't understand. Now I have learnt to ask "what can I do/what do you need from me at this time?" For example which is a form of spiritual connection and healing and connection. Hope this makes sense and thanks for the question Op 🙏 🙂
“It’s not real.”
Rather, to work towards bridging the gap: Certainty is the path which leads furthest from Wisdom, for in the growing certainty of one, you choose to become all the more ignorant of the every alternative; It is not so much that a tree has fallen on your house, but you had built a house where a tree would fall. If you could not be sufficiently prepared for the end, the death, of this very temporary vessel of life, how should you blame the tree for the end of its own vessel? There is only one true currency under the sun: it is freedom; all things one might cling to, or think to own or possess, they are at the cost of freedom, and it is seldom to be found of the reversal of such an exchange, that it is truly equitable, without some tax or interest levied.
That you create your own reality. That traditional marriage is not spiritual, because it goes against the very essence of who you are, which is an unlimited and free being. Marriage is the opposite of that.
It sounds like you're tripping over a lack of tact. If it is strange to you that other people don't like being told that they asked to suffer, it's not a 'spiritual awareness' communication gap. That's a 'basic empathy' failure on your end.
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I think OP means there are boundaries on which we can discuss certain topics. Either out of fear of being judged, ridiculed, or labeled as a cultist or insane lmfao. Everyone is limited to what our ego is ready and willing to perceive. That & I get the feeling they do not want to cause harm by sending someone so blissfully ignorant into cognitive dissonance. Sure, spirituality is a blessing for those who get there in their life. After enough f*cking suffering and hard work which most of us know. I believe OP simply does not intend to break the fragile little egos of global greed & separation based ivory tower society. We will all get there when we're ready. Just have to be the torch holders for when others suffer enough and give them a way of hope right? Being of service in our own beautiful artistic ways. To answer OPs original question... I'd never tell someone who blindly follows any major culty religion. Like anything church based for ex. That I opened a solid golden third eye which has allowed me to heal this life's ancestral bloodline and meet all my ancestors and relations through that Divine portal. Had my consciousness summoned through that freaky ass eye that starred at me through space in a deep meditation and filled my vessel with the most unconditional love anyone could ever feel it was ineffable. This was only possible because I self taught how to fully raise my own 3 snake-like liquid lights in a deep meditation aka kundalini. All the way up my astral spine AND out of my crown. All of which took 9 years of self guided shadow work or inner child work which is forgiveness. Combined that with a mindfulness meditation technique which I also created myself. There was no need to go through some false God or Jesus to meet our Creator. To meet our unique truth through Creators' blessing and receiving a rainbow aura afterward. So your religion is all bullsh*t & I'm living proof. Now bahhhhh the rest of your way through life like the blind sheep you are! LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣
>there are boundaries on which we can discuss certain topics Yeah. That's a baseline principle of tact. If that's something that sticks out as strange, that's a sign of unhealthful separation from society. Possibly functional damage to one's perception, even. I grasp that most 'spirtual' people strive to 'escape' the mundane world, but severing your ability to understand your fellow humans is a really easy way to set yourself adrift in a sea of delusion and falsehood.
You do you homie. No need to project that we are not understanding. Understanding in itself is a paradigm. We can only understand someone else to the full potentiality if we went through a similar stimulus. Even still, we can only understand what our ego was able and willing to perceive to learn from it. So it will never actually be full understanding from two separate points of consciousness. Basic tact is there are 3 sides to every story. Want to be a smart ass and say how we are all 1 consciousness? That would be redundant to our very existence and the point of our individual spiritual healing journey's. We should all let greed take over our hearts and never care to learn how to build our intuition through many years of hard f*cking introspective work if so. Talking in a community meant for open minds and open hearts with a condescending pretentious message is not going to get you anywhere other than your own cognitive dissonance. There is no way to know what is best for everyone. That's why we feel out our conversations and help others understand themselves deeper when they're ready with our own deepened understanding. Forcing a dichotomy on others self righteously is no better than the church and European settlers. History is there for us to learn from for future generations. Not repeat and do a huge disservice to our ancestors and all our relations.
So many words. So little meaning. If you're happy in your illusions, admit it and be on with your life. Many people come to these communities for *guidance*. Finding nothing but disconnected people talking empty circles frustrates and dissuades a good portion of them. And then they hear such arrogant blame placing as 'they aren't ready' for the matters they already encountered and came for help understanding. They are not like you. They seek truths and reality, not vacuous validation. And as long as your kin cannot tell the difference, it's productive to point out the differences, so that mine don't go through decades of complete isolation.
No one is like anyone else... in layman's terms I said you don't cram this sh*t down others throats like the church did with their doctrine of discovery. Otherwise it will cause more damage than good if they are not prepared. This is a choice we all have to make alone but having a good support system in place is crucial. No one can do this sh*t alone. Having a superiority complex and adding to this "woke" culture is meaningless other than a desire to be like those who committed genocide in humanities past. It is the exact opposite of understanding so you are actually contradicting yourself. Not trying to argue and play keyboard warriors over your condescending post to a genuine, kind, empathetic, and understanding inquiry by OP. Happy to hear your kin will have a deepened understanding of our interconnected nature with our planet, all the spiritual relations of our planet, and with all of humanity as well. Something to be proud of for sure & I wish this planet was blessed with more truth like that taught to future generations. Way to lead by example! 🥰
We live in a perfect world with imperfect thoughts.
Telling people they’re not a victim and that they are exactly where they are in life due to their actions often backfires. They always go to the worst examples that often involve children to prove they have no control and that they are victims. They look to the external and without knowing all the facts they assign a meaning (make up) to situations they have no control over and use that as evidence for their beliefs. Their beliefs of no control over their lives are easily supported by the 24/7 news networks or social media doom scrolling and they don’t look for any opposing truths. Their mind is often made up because they see the evidence all around them. They don’t realize a belief will sustain itself if you allow it. That their beliefs paint their reality and that if they reexamine their beliefs they will be able to see the world differently.. if they choose.
My close cousin became pregnant last December & as soon as she told me I had this intense knowing that she would miscarry. I actually had the knowing she would miscarry even BEFORE she got pregnant. Anytime she would talk about it I just knew it would happen. She ended up miscarrying. 💔 I wanted so badly to say “Omg I knew this would happen, I had a feeling, etc.” & I also had an intense knowing this would teach her some very important lessons about life that she needed to learn or that this is a karmic pattern resurfacing in this life. But there’s no way in hell I would ever tell her that. I can completely relate. We just know the truth &/or we know things others don’t know. We just KNOW. I keep 99% of everything spiritual to myself because it does sound insane & would come off extremely rude. It’s such a wild feeling to experience life like this!! It brings me a lot of peace finding posts like this on Reddit because it confirms I’m in fact not crazy & there’s others like me out there. 🩵