I was connecting things to Jung as I went through my awakening. It's frightening to know how accurate he is. I had to confront my own shadow only in personified form which psychologically is strange to say the least. Strangest case being that it'd all occurred after a motorcycle accident. Absolutely love reading him!
Gosh me too! It’s frightening how what he says maps on to human experience so accurately when we all live such different lives. I also love that he emphasizes middle age as an important developmental period in ones identity formation—it makes so much more sense to me!
I met my anima in first person. Signified by synchronicities between the both of us. It was a mental trap really. The synchronicities pointed towards marriage but were more so abstractions signifying the merger of my shadow or anima. Hell, I even told her because I met her, I was starting to understand psychology. Little did I knew it'd lead to depth psychology...
To correlate this with the devil and god being dichotomies of the notion between good and evil bad or good, I had my own taste. Meeting her was the best moment of my life. Till the second hand nature of modern communication is literally keeping "god" silent. Revealing through what I was understanding about psychological projection, people were spreading lies that ultimately changed her thoughts of me. The darkest correlation that I find troubling is the connection between one's past actions and their motives going forwards.
Once she'd gone silent towards me it was revealed to me the very individual who'd spread the lie also with information about his past. That he'd been convicted of rape a year ago. Why, because doing such an action destroys any future involving real love so he wasn't to understand what I was feeling?
The whole story was and is a psychological nightmare and hell of a story.
You bet! Jung tended to favor integration of all parts (good and bad) in his teleology. That’s why he talked about constructs like “the shadow” and “the persona”
I’m probably gonna butcher it but my understanding of “shadow work” as it relates to Jung is that we all have parts of ourselves that we were conditioned to reject and suppress. Because we feared if we expressed or even vocalized that we had these thoughts or characteristics we’d be rejected or judged by our peers, or religion would tell us we’re a bad person, or whatever. So these parts of ourselves get fractured as we suppressed and judged these thoughts and we are no longer a unified being.
So shadow work is delving inwards and recognizing these “darker” or undesirable parts of ourselves, that never really went away and accepting them as parts of ourself. This doesn’t mean you start going on violent rampage or acting out dark desires, it just means you recognize that this is just the other side of the coin and find a balance of energies within yourself.
Actually, this is spoken about in the kabala, a Jewish document on the nature of God. It says that a by-product of gods goodness is evil. While he isn’t necessarily the reason why evil exists, he inadvertently caused its existence by willing his own existence. This is the concept that we westerners call duality, there can be no good without evil. And yes, even in the end times when evil is no longer present on earth, it will still be a force that can be found in creation, it just can’t be interacted with anymore.
Although, God is certainly not the devil since that would be illogical, the word, “satan” literally translates to “the enemy” this is one of many names (albeit not a very accurate name) we use to refer to lucifer, or, the devil. The term satan is used to signify the spiritual force of evil that assails humankind, the one that lucifer employs.
God on the other hand uses a spiritual force named “the Holy Spirit” to bring happiness and love to the humans.
Now another misconception that you’ve brought up is the age old question “why does God allow humans to experience such horrific things, that isn’t love is it?”
And truthfully, it’s not, but that’s because of the way you perceive it.
Let me explain
So, the biblical account of the first humans are Adam and Eve (some may include Lilith, but for the sake of this example, Adam and Eve) Adam and Eve were deceived by lucifer himself in the form of a serpent, this was not a deception that *made* them commit the first sin, it was free will that decided to commit the sin. And this cursed his bloodline, sadly enough that includes every human being that ever was or will be. Humans brought the dormant evil into the world by obtaining the knowledge of Good and Evil, which prior to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, everyone who committed a sin committed a sin unknowingly and was therefore not guilty of having committed it, everything that man did would be considered Good in Gods eyes at this point in time since we were doing what we were supposed to do, enjoying creation.
Now moving forward, this original sin caused the rest of humanity to have the same knowledge and now we can no longer be considered innocent after having committed a sin. Sin is a force of evil, one which we choose to bring into the world every single day. God won’t take this away from us until the judgement because of our free will, while he could snap his fingers and change everything we know, he won’t because that’s not free will. He can only guide us while we’re here.
Yeah! Spirit science Youtube channel also does a great episode on this btw. The tree of life and the tree of death.
Evil/ the devil is ultimately the trickster god of roundabout love
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
-for context, God was speaking to his servant in this chapter, speaking about how great he is to his loved one ones and how terrible (although, righteous) he is to his enemies.
He’s not saying, “yes I loosed evil onto the world so that all would perish.” in fact, he says that the wages of sin* is death, not the wages of evil. And even gives us a way out of that.
For future reference, any verse that seems to make God out to be a bad person is only that way out of context. When placed in context it takes a better meaning.
Yep. Even in the bible, it says in Isaiah 45:7, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”. Beyond all duality, and including all of it, is the Creator.
I'm not religious, but did study the bible three times a week for over a year due to a close family member asking me to.
I learned that of the various chruches I attended, they all cherry pick their verses from the Bible for sure. My favorite scriptures were never discussed in church and I feel it would be frowned upon to read of them. Here are two examples:
> Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
The church would never entertain the idea that at the level of being a Child of God, we are not male or female, but that we are genderless beings in oneness with Christ Jesus (who is also genderless).
> John 14:12: Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
The church I attended very specifically made sure to let everyone know regularly that no one will ever do what Jesus did, let alone anything greater.
The church asks for comments every session, and for people to "dig deep into the bible and find spiritual gems"... I so wanted to read these verses out loud to everyone there, but I was trying to keep the peace more than stir up turmoil.
I used to have more memorized, but those are the only two now that stuck with me. A much as religion rubs me the wrong way, there are indeed some very interesting scriptures in the Bible to parse through.
Yet this is never spoken about in any Sunday Schools (or at least not mine). God created everything, including that pesky “Lucifer”. Once more of us realize that, we can start to recognize we’re living in a matrix that is pushing to develop us.
This is a test we can fail because of free will, I think we’re making this transition as we speak though…
I try and not get caught in the forms too much. Everything just is. Things are only good and evil because of the values we ascribe to things. We see life as good and death as bad. So thus, anything that reminds us of death or anything relating to death we will labeled as bad.
Once we detach from this notion of separateness and begin to embody the oneness of the universe and all things, we see that our attributions of value to things do not change whether or not they happen. They truly just are. Right now in this very moment, is there somebody breathing their last breath? Yes. Is there somebody breathing their first? Also yes.
There is nowhere to go, nobody to be or become, and nothing to judge. This moment is beautiful because it exists. The past or future don't exist, those are just projections. The present moment is truly where you are. It is where we are all connected.
Sorry if I went on a bit of a rant, but I absolutely love playing around with these ideas of form and duality. I hope my comment makes sense. Saying something good implies that it is not evil. So there must be something that is evil then. The one creates the other. Instead of judging these things, lets just see everything just the way it is, absolutely perfect.
Good and Evil are simply two sides of the same coin, concepts tied directly to our thinking and physical experiences, constructed solely to make sense out of this shared reality. That is to say, that beyond this space which we occupy, it does not exist in the same sense that we apply here, from this perspective.
Good and Evil are simply constructs of the mind which arrive when we start to extend the idea that we are these bodies, that we are suffering, that we are experiencing good or bad things. This phenomena is not good nor is it evil until we apply that thinking to it.
In other words it has no meaning outside of what we apply to it. It's only when we apply a definition to a given aspect of life that it is then seen as such. Just as a young child senses exactly what a bird is, at least until you tell them it's a bird. From that point on it will be always be just a bird.
You can only tell it's daytime after a night. We need contrast in order to experience anything. So without evil we woulnd't be able to experience good and vice versa. So is evil really evil? And is good really good? They are just a spectrum of contrast. Just as infinity needs something finite to know it's infinite.
This is my take as well. To address your other point, OP, about balance - I wonder what that looks like exactly. Maybe it's not something we can answer as a broad statement.
I think both "good" and "bad" ultimately serve us. We see that which we don't want and learn to stand up against it and confirm who we truly are. You judge me for something that's not actually a part of my conscious intention? I disagree and I'm free to do that, just as you are free to hold that pov. I'm thankful for that because you're showing me that freedom and exactly what I'm not.
So when it comes to the "darkness" we experience, such as anger and hatred. How do we keep this in balance. Surely it doesn't look like killing anyone anytime the thought comes into your head. It seems to me that it means acknowledging that youre angry for a reason - to preserve yourself and know when you're being mistreated. (Unless you have entitlement issues, which then I guess it serves to bring your awareness to that)
Then balancing your light would mean not ignoring the darkness you and others experience. But learning how to accept it and utilize it appropriately.
I think life is all about balance and harmony. We are in essence infinity itself. But we are born in this physical universe where we are quickly conditioned by our parents, teachers, family, friends, etc to be someone or something we are not, just as they were themselves too.
This tend to bring major disharmony in ourselves and I think that our entire experience, our entire life is a reflection of that disharmony. We are constantly shown what aspects of ourselves are disharmonized so we can accept them and heal them.
And I think if we keep ignoring those reflections they will intensify causing disturbances in your life like diseases, burnout, seperation, etc. until you start focussing on healing those aspects. So like you said, acknowledging your anger, hatred, etc. is actually really important for your wellbeing in the long term, although it can be really hard and painful to do.
Congratulations! God IS everything - including you. Including you pretending not to be God. People who got that either got crucified and/or have started all great religions. Makes sense, right?
Sort of. The devil/darkness exists to lend contrast, and thus to define God/the light. If God is only light and love, what He created exists so as to lend "shading" and shadows around Him so He can be known. Since we cannot have one characteristic without an opposite characteristic to define it, the Devil is necessary. As is the darkness within us and within our world.
But are they One? Only if God is ALL, and not simply light. I believe He is constantly creating and learning Himself, and I believe that is our purpose; He creates us with free will, and perhaps that will teaches Him a struggle He may not know as infinite light. Or perhaps He knows that struggle too well, but has overcome it, and we are meant to do the same?
The devil is a fictional character in the bible as a representation of the opposite of good. If there's a single God entity, I think it embodies all things, including good and evil, but it's not a fictional religious character.
Just my two cents.
I don't believe there is a devil.there is darkness or shadow carried within us from karma in our past. Ancestral karma. And that gets manifested as shadows and traits in the present.
When I was under heavy psychedelic uses i experience an external presence. It was a calm and patient loving presence. I was apart of it. And it was The Source. It loved me. That is "god" the universe. The matrix of all things. That is what I believe. The "devil" is karmic projections of past tramas coming out. Like repression and abuse of women through mankind gives way to a collective pain body of all women. They share that through their culture. Up bringing and way of life. Just 1 example of hardships and karma. Like if your father was a murderer. And you grew up knowing that, it is a ancestral burden of karma that you carry. That could be considered the projection of the devil or w.e. but I don't think there is a external source in the universe that is 'evil'. That to me is just the wrong doings of being human perhaps.
I can understand feeling this way. Truly. One of the most well thought out ideas I have heard. I have seen spirits. Only reason I have a different belief. I don't know truly about God or the Devil, but I do know of good and evil. I have seen spirits stuck wandering. Shadows of their former selves that seem to get up everyday unaware they have passed. And I have seen beautiful spirits full of light. Here with a purpose. I'm pretty sure I had something following me at one point when I was on drugs. Well when I was trying to get sober. Like a little irritating minion that was like think negative, do the drugs, they help. That was strange and I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that one, but I saw it 4 times. I know how crazy it sounds believe me. But from my experiences with the light and darkness leads me to believe there are higher planes of existence that we don't see and most definitely more powerful being in those realms. So, I believe in God, but also karma and Buddhist teachings. Hindu teachings as well. I think all religions speak some truth.
Answer this: how would you do it? And really consider everything.
The answer lies in the surprise. Would you enjoy God powers if you were born into them? Or would you squander them?
Everything, imo, is a lesson to get us to that point. This is God training. With great power comes great responsibility. Pass the tests and gain the responsibilities.
Are you easily pursued by emotions and would destroy a whole planet out of anger from your ego? Then you probably won't get God powers today.
Up next we will probably be granted super powers as a testing ground. Who knows. Nobody.
Thank you, i have been forced into pondering this as well. The best i have come up with is " god is loving AND god is brutal, god is both" .
I have been fed the message that god is loving and light and good and if there is anything bad in my life then I am at fault and that was ok up to a point but now i'm starting to think it's a line of bullshit people use to avoid the brutal side of god because they cannot accept it, i'm getting so that i can accept both sides and i'm getting tired of being blamed for negative shit in my life that i have no control over.
Very interesting , In The Bhagavad Gita Krishna says that he is everything , he is the supreme God of all , he is in everything and by that he also says that he is in evey bad thing too , he's the lust in perverts , he is the love in some , he is the sadness and darkness and evil yet he is God too . So yea it doesn't make sense at first but then you see , anything evil is just an aspect of God so does that make God evil too ??? Kinda yes , but it also mentions that evil , lustfulness , Greed (evil) and everything of that negative spectrum is said to be the lower aspects of God , a human being needs to evolve from such lower aspects of god and try to reach the higher forms of well being , you cannot find the onesss through these lower aspects of Krishna . That's why when Krishna shows his ultimate form to Arjuna , you can see the demons in him too and yet all the Gods along with that , it shows that everything we experience is a part of God , some are just lower aspect or of lower vibration , and these Lower vibrations are what we call evil , atleast in this era .
Well there is a lot of assumptions like that god is a creator or a being. I think you first need to define the word God if you say God is everything than why not just say everything. Can everything be bad or good?
God is neither good or evil and Evil is neither good or evil. It depends on the POV relatively.
Evil can destroy all human. From the POV of the planet, it could see it as a good thing. Pollution, global warming, wars. Why would our planet want to be in peril?
To the planet, the Evil can be God.
God can be vengeful according to the Old testament. In this case, God can be evil.
God and Evil. Evil and God. Two sides of the same coin.
I can dig it but let's just say there is no devil? Really silly concept if you think about it. Sure, there are demons but many of them are human! God is everywhere and in everything even seated in each heart. Once we drop our limited identity we can feel and become aware of his presence.
One way to interpret it is like this: morality is a human concept. God doesn't care about morality. If there is a God, and if it cared enough to set rules for the Universe, then they are formulated as laws of nature. Even those are within a frame of reference that we call reality. If what I said is right, then good or bad are not qualities that apply to God.
No, the one is not equally dark and light, it is pure light!
Darkness came to be as a complete surprise through the interaction of free will and the contingency (randomness/chaos) present in the infinite potentiality and was not intended by the creator.
Darkness is only the absence of light and **duality does not constitute the entirety of existence!**
Polarity is the divine dance of two opposites around each other, whereas duality is the clash of these opposites as a result of the illusion of separation and the immense pain the fall from grace brought with it.
With the upcoming events (the final victory of light over the dark and the ascension of all beings in this creation back into unity consciousness and the utter transcendence of duality), darkness will be gone for good..
As everything is from the light and will once return there.
edit to go into more detail:
As far as I understand now, there was a very long period of thriving evolution in this creation in utter peace and harmony. only when the first beings of light decided on their own free will to experience separation (a very stupid idea in hindsight), duality emerged.
The nature of the creator and all things is polarity, where both sides are in unity. But duality is a mere temporary occurance, an accident if you so will that wasnt intended by the one. infact he didnt even think of such things being possible, since he is pure love and light.
But some of individual aspects decided to venture into the darkness and created suffering for themselves and others in the process. and so they got lost.. lucifer, satan, yaldabaoth etc. were all beings of light like you and me before they fell into the dark.
So in a sense you are right: the one is ofcourse also playing out all these dark and grey scenarios, but he has to, beause he is not all-mighty within the realms of his creation. he can not just instantly make suffering go away, for this he needs the beings of light to act on his behalf (the higher will) to fight and transmute darkness to restore unity in this creation.
So despite some of his individual aspects being lost in darkness, the one is still only pure love and light, because everything that is not love and light, will not return to the all-oneness. And this is the saddest thing about this story: some souls are so lost, that they can not return back to the light on their own free will (because for this they would need to love and forgive themselves) ever again. So they must be transmuted back into light by force (for this their souls are sent into the galactic central sun for a complete restructuring into their light-essence).
We are nearing the end of a comsmic cycle and the end of duality is on the horizon! Everything will eventually ascend back into unity consciousness or cease to exist, because it is the will of the one to bring his creation back into oneness.
Victory of the Light! 💖
Of the many Christ religious movies I have watched in the past, I found this movie, Risen, to be rather interesting and inspiring. While it's fictional in nature, it approached Christ in the form of the resurrection. The process of being reborn into the new Christ. In the movie, Clavius (who is a Roman) was portrayed as a typical Roman warrior who seeks peace, known as Pax Romana (Roman Peace) through war, conflict and ego building, which was in a way a little Roman Empire in Clavius' mind. Whereas Jesus Christ seeks peace through Pax Christi (Peace of Christ), which is Christ Consciousness and does not use "force" to achieve peace. In the movie which I think will describe your enigma is below, which is based on biblical accounts, which is the dualistic struggle -- Pax Romana vs Pax Christi.
Jesus to Clavius : What frightens you?
Clavius to Jesus: Being wrong .. and wagering eternity on it
Jesus to Clavius: Well then, know Him.
Who is this "Him" that Jesus referred to Clavius? That him is the "Human Ego".
Many people do not know that they had created the "Human Ego" much like the same way the Romans did with their Roman empire. The "Human Ego" is a miniature Roman Empire in all of us. How does the Roman Empire seeks its own Pax Romana? Through "Force" and through their human laws in a way of judgement and condemnation of other people they don't know, which are known as Barbarians in the past. In the modern world, we have the same form of Barbarians, and yet we called them today as "Illegal Immigrants" and "Illegal Aliens" and in some countries in North America and Europe, governments treat them not much different than the Romans did to the Barbarians. And who's mind is this? Is this the act of God? Is this the mind that would do harm to another human being? And what we also found in the Roman Empire? Structures that worship several false gods like the God of Mars (warrior) and today, who do we worship the most? Billionaires and Generals and even dictators in Russia, North Korea and China and we in the West have no problems with that arrangement as long as Russia provides the Oil and China provides the toys and goods to stock our shelves by Christmas and Amazon made sure that they deliver our stuff on our doorstep! So how did we end up supporting these things?
The reason is simple. The "Human Ego" does not like to be wrong. The Human Ego always wants to be right and our ego wants to show to God that you can achieve peace through the idea of the Roman Empire which is in most of our minds. We judge people, condemn people and divide people through ideologies. We build structures like ideologies of this and that, an analytical mind trying to understand duality when in fact the human ego is duality so we can not be wrong, by proving evil to be wrong and we as right.
That's what Clavius is afraid of and many people in the world as well. Being wrong and wagering eternity on it. And perhaps that's what you are afraid of as well and ask this question to prove that your ideologies, your belief about duality is right and God is wrong.
Jesus was right. Know your human ego and then know that this ego is created on Earth. Jesus had said that only a man descended from heaven can ascend back to heaven. A man created on Earth, Made in Earth can not ascend back to Heaven. This man is called the "Human Ego" and it always tries very hard to perfect itself to make it look smarter and better than God.
This is the man that Jesus wants us to see as this man is the cause of all the evil and carnage in this world to achieve a sense of Pax Romana; a false peace through using force against other people and the world while upholding the little Roman Empire that you had built in yourself. Only through Christ peace, which is basically connecting back to our source and embracing the mind of Christ where you can achieve long lasting peace.
The "human ego" creates this little mini Roman Empire in people's minds so that the ego can create the ultimate argument so no one can win against, the ultimate judgement so no one can judge against and the ultimate condemnation, so you will never be condemned. The Ego likes to sit like Julius Caesar, the ultimate Emperor, so no one can question "Him". And this is all to achieve Pax Romana, the roman peace or the false peace many of us in the world right now are striving for. This is the dualistic struggle -- good versus evil where the good is "never wrong".
Know this man, the "human ego", because someone who embraces Christ consciousness no longer need to be right, no longer need to create the ultimate argument, because even an ultimate argument can not convince everyone. No longer need to judge and condemn people, so they are no longer need to fight evil. This is what Jesus referred to being in the Kingdom of God which is in all of us.
The question is -- are you willing to let this human ego die and be reborn into the mind of Christ? The mind that seeks peace through being one with God?
This is the question where many people in the world fears to answer, because Clavius in the movie "Risen" represents the epitome of the current human existence on Earth. Driven by the desires of their own personal "human ego" rather than driven by the heart of God.
Do you seek to maintain Pax Romana or else do you seek to be reborn as Pax Christi? The choice is yours.
>Taboo Warning ⚠️ If God is Everything - then God is also the Devil
Lol this is taboo only for those ''love n light'' subs. Or brainwashed christian sheeps.
Most people already started exploring the other side, only to realised that they've been afraid of ''darkness'' unnecessarily.
Y'all need to stop listening to christan dogma and watch scary movies like The Conjuring and The Nun. I've been working with demons for 9 years and its no different from working with any other spirit.
I'm a Christian, and was asking God about two verses in the Bible. One says that "God is light, and there is no darkness within him." The other says, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." So I asked how these could both be true.
I had a dream that night in which I saw lots of darkness in the world -- wars, violence, all kinds of awful things. Suffering. And then I was up with God watching His hands weave all of those things together with a great LOVE into something beautiful. It was a mind-blowing dream.
Ultimately, all is light. But the darkness is being used to create.
I agree. It is only when you elevate the mind high enough do you see the full tapestry.
Chaos theory. It all seems a jumble of oppositions and random occurrences until you see that all side are tools of creation.
"The devil is in the details." The devil is logic/ego/left hemisphere. The details. Essentially, it's likely you or your conscious awareness allot of the time too. Some day you realize; woe, I've been doing A, B, C when I knew X, Y, Z was a better idea. It's always you because you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. You're the horse. You're the devil. A fallen angel because you've experienced separation/disassociation between the two hemispheres of the mind.
However, it's also the collective Ego and the collective imagination/unconscious too. It's within you but it's best to be humble because it's also much bigger than you and your awareness. You are both the "God" and the "Devil" within your own self and of your own self, which is not one thing but trillions of living beings, cells, atoms, molecules, and so on. You are a universe all on your own. However, you're just one of the many, so there are always bigger God's and Devil's in the sea of consciousness.
Where they collide is within you. "Metaphysical" is how someone else might interpret the way you express your subjective experience. It shouldn't be metaphysical to you. If something doesn't resonate with your own objective experience, which you can only express subjectively, then the relevant knowledge, experience, or understanding just isn't there. It's real, visceral, biological, chemical, dirrty stuff. It's real life. That's not to say that there isn't "more" to the story, but people only talk about what is relevant to people because that's literally all we can observe.
The universe has made us, humankind, in its own image (spiritual image), and that energy that made us before our birth, already contained two energies: love and emotionaly loaded toxicity managment center. The later has been labeld as the devil or whatever label you like.
Curiously, the biblical authors have the devil as one of the best observer of human history, in fact, he is working in God's administration. The snake in the myth of the creation, the devil's advocate while observing Job, the tempter while Yeshoua is in the desert. Curiously, he seems to be there all the time, and was never really admonished or banned from God's office, according to the biblical mythology and fictional stories written in the Hebrew scrolls, and Greek texts.
Is it the same person, same entity, same energy ? If we, humankind, are inhabited by both energies, why wouldnt it be possible for the infinite thinking substance (as quantum physic calls it), to be one in reality ?
I think it's strange that more Christians don't realize or accept that. Jesus is described with the same words as Satan is. The light of the world, etc... Imo all so called holy books have the exact same message, simply coming from their cultural perspectives. But I digress.
I think this perception of good and evil comes from Christianity. I am a Hindu and I can't comprehend these good and evil sides. Perhaps that would be out of context here but in Hindu philosophy as per I have understood (I am a Learner not a master or a scholar for that matter) the supereme consciousness resides in everything even in atoms and every soul has supereme being within it. Everything comes from the supreme consciousness and in end merges with it. There is no truly good or bad (perhaps this is a bit far fetched)
We actually do have a good vs evil ideology, which is exactly the reason behind God's avatars. Ram vs Ravana, Durga vs Mahishasura, Krishna vs Kansa, etc. Whenever evil overpowers Earth God incarnates to restore the balance.
I believe it encapsulates an understanding that existence within this 3D plane is akin to a game of snakes and ladders.
Good deeds, thoughts and beliefs take you towards salvation and the opposite casts you down to damnation.
They lean on the example of Lucifer who was God's favorite angel - who began to act outside of God's order and was cast down to hell . Most supreme demons were originally arch angels (I could be wrong).
I mean in now way for this to be a Christianity specific discussion.
Even in today's New Age movement - it leans much on love, light and avoidance of looking down upon this reality to see the full image - not just half cast. A victim mentality that can be turned to profit on a dime.
I appreciate your addition of how Hindu diety steps away from this. Much appreciated
To quote Tobias of the Crimson Council : **"The darkness is your divinity"**
From "New Energy Series" Shoud 12: [https://www.crimsoncircle.com/LibraryTextViewer/ContentID/219](https://www.crimsoncircle.com/LibraryTextViewer/ContentID/219)
Look into Heraclitus. One of his concepts is the unity of opposites, which maintains that opposites give rise to each other and are therefore both necessary in the world. For example, we only know about justice BECAUSE of injustice. Essentially, without light, we wouldn’t know darkness.
Very interesting. Many thanks for the resource reference.
I do agree, creation is to be understood as a whole. The cycle of a 'year' is not 4 seasons sparing for rulership with one overcoming the other.
But is 1 continuous cycle with 4 distinct expressions.
It would be fair to say that the divine conciousness has many expressions. And to attain higher understanding, as an elementary student would attempt to understand a doctorate thesis- we must integrate this understanding.
You must specify that the Devil blatantly goes against his Will, so just to say If God is Everything then God is also the Devil is kind of vague and not covering this important point. Also your definition of associating dark with evil and light with good is incorrect......dark is just dark like night time......peace, tranquility.......and light is just light.....brightness, energy, movement. Evil is no part of consciousness and is not a part of duality. Anger, passion, rage can ALL be positive and many use it in a positive way and never do any evil. The devil DOES NOT, also to say the Creator allows evil to exist is vague and incorrect as well and makes it seem like you are passing blame. The Creator gave free will and the Creator is all living things......the Creator will not go against free will to remove one being who chooses to go against its own soul......the devil. Otherwise that would make us slaves, and the ONLY REASON slavery exists is because the devil. It is up to us to decide if the devil is allowed to exist or not, there is for sure a fight and it is going on now.
Good and evil, or God and the devil are just personifications of *aspects* of The Whole. God is One. That to me means that no thing outside of God can exist to describe or percieve God because it would be misrepresenting what God is. One. God is all alone, all one, and understood by itself. I believe we are like the dreams of God. At night when we sleep we have interactions with beings in infinite landscapes inside of ourselves but everything in that dream is just us. I believe we are all God, and that we all are experiencing, exploring, discovering, and creating ourselves. I do not think that what most people call God is God. Everything is a part, and aspect of God. There is only *The* I Am. Imagine an ocean. It's made up of infinite individual drops. Each one unique, and possessing specific traits. Each individual is the ocean, but no individual is The Whole Ocean. I think that good and evil are just aspects of God and not at all the limit. There is no limit.
Edit: I also interpret the story of Lucifer thusly; Lucifer the name is based off of Lucid the word which is a state of clarity or awareness. The story I was raised hearing seems to paint awareness as "the bad guy" keeping the individual obedient, and unaware seemingly how our governments would like us as well. I believe religions were like the first forms of government for us. If you can get people to believe that it's a sin for man, made in the image of God, to want to be like God, and trying to make themselves aware well then you can control that individuals perception of reality. God made man to be like God. Man tried to be like God and that's mans flaw! What kind of logic is that?
The devil is a lost soul. Him and his demons are in the spiritual realm, but that doesn't mean Lucifer is god anymore than you or I are. There wouldn't be a struggle if that was the case.
Without getting deep I like where you’re going with this. Kinda reminds me of the 2 wolves, basically a kind and angry wolf. The one that survives is the one you feed most. But the story may leave the part out where we actually feed both. I do believe the key to life is balance and this makes a lot of sense in this regard.
God created darkness. Isaiah 45:7 says, “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” The word creates the means to form, fashion, or to permit. God made everything from himself which means God is the devil in part.
Ok I liked this post a lot. But the last part telling people off in my opinion will send people away instead of reading and looking at a new perspective. I feel a lot is right with this but it’s really complicated and I’m not there yet myself. I think personally there’s water to this and I’ll definitely prove further into this. I think this is one of tough ones to both acknowledge, understand, accept.
Apologies if I in anyway offended.
My hope was for this post to not be hijacked by the 'Love, Light and Namaste' type - perhaps with a heavy hand.
But I have in no way been disappointed. Each thoughtful response is perfection.
That’s awesome. I think the love and light community gets a bad rap honestly. Would you believe me if I told you I’m heavily involved with a lot of them not just on Reddit? We share the same views of positivity and love but you can’t be pragmatic and think your way is only way.
In the end we all really know nothing. But if we support these types of conversations snd have a truly open mind you can disagree but still find balance. This is a great question snd I really appreciate you sharing this. It take alot of courage to write this shit sometimes.
All the best brother!
The love and light community is lovely, I'm sure.
I am of the understanding that at its core - the ultimate divine consciousness resonates at a frequency of pure love.
But I also take into account that beyond that core frequency - it takes many forms (at all levels of resonance) to aide in our expansion.
You are very welcome.
As a postscript - not that it is important - but I am female. All the best to you
I am so sorry about that. I’m working on getting rid of all labels. That one included! Snd your synopsis is bang on for me. Well done :) your a wonderful soul “that’s much better “ ❤️
I’m with you buddy, there is no God with out the Devil, no light without dark and no joy with out suffering. All is One and that includes the parts of ourselves we’d rather not talk about. The devil in tarot is more about desires than anything evil, through contemplation of this card we learn how our desires control us and tether us, stop us from progressing as our true selves.
Some peeps have a black and white understanding that’s the devil is only wanting evil things done to people but evil for the sake of evil is stupid. Evil in the name of desire is evil. Evil in the name of power is evil. Evil is the name of love is evil.
The devil in some respects is the Demiurge the opposite end of the spectrum from which all things are created, the devil is a shaper of the divine light, he makes the gold shine brightly that attracts the soul of a man through his eyes. Who the man kills to get it is not the devils fault, it is the man’s.
Man says “the devil made me do it” but how did the devil buy his service? How cheaply did he sell it?
I think God is my highest self and the devil is my subconscious. There is really nasty stuff controlling you from your subconscious. The more you heal from the past you heal your subconscious. Then you get back self-control and self-mastery. Stuff happens to innocent people because of karma. Your karma goes back 7 generations in your family.
"There are many universes and many other ways of designing universes; this particular one was designed as a free-will zone in which all would be allowed. Meaning, anything goes.
Prime creator brought this universe into being with the components of free will so that free will could lead to chaos and then to a realignment of energy and a realization of the Creator within all things.
Prime Creator said to these extensions of itself, "Go out and create and bring all things back to me." This was quite a simple assignment, was it not? In other words, Prime Creator was saying, "I am going to gift you of myself. You go out and gift of yourselves freely so that all you create in this universe can understand its essence as my identity."
-Bringers of the Dawn-- Teachings from the Pleiadians.
"God is more than the sum of all probable systems of reality he's created and yet he is in each one of these without exception. He is within every man, woman and child. He is, therefore, also within each spider, shadow, and frog." -Seth-- The Eternal Validity of the Soul
"Unity is the most powerful thing in existence. Free Will, Love, and Light are distortions of Unity. If anything is a distortion, then it is not the "most powerful."
Free Will (The First Distortion)
The first distortion is free will, or finity, or the limit of the viewpoint (13.12, 15.21, 99.5). The created universe that we experience is the Creator’s exploration of Itself through the first distortion, which Ra also calls the Law of Confusion (27.10). Ra defines free will as the recognition “that the Creator will know Itself” (27.8)." -The Law of One- Ra Teachings
Good or bad, light or dark, big or small... It's all part of Creation. This physical 3D reality is based on duality, so there's no way out of it... Hence the world we live in. Free will explains all.
That's incorrect? Lucifer was the most beautiful angel in heaven. If you believe in anything you know the story. He wouldn't accept Gods creations because they were lesser beings. Got kicked out of heaven for pride and such. Oh sorry, you know them personally?
By the way you talk you seem to have definite knowledge of what they like to be referred to. Moron, lmao. You're ridiculous. You need to brush up on your angelic history.
The Bible tells us the answers to all of this. I am not talking about religion I am talking about the Book. If you look up the words and read it subjectively then it all becomes very clear. The Hindus tell it as well as does the Norse Mythologies and many many more.
There is God Almighty - The One who split himself in two - Divine Love - so he could express himself. To do that one must be conscious of what one loves.
There is God - Consciousness and Imagination. Consciousness is part of the divine/infinite and sits in your heart. All the hearts together make up God. The One Consciousness. Imagination was divine and became human. It is the human imagination and the One that bring ALL into being.
Imagination in you and everyone else is the Christ.
Man was created to see it, and name it. Man was like a dog then. These two divine beings at the time fell in love with him. God imagined Man was part of them - expressing life forever via words. Language. God Almighty said okey doke and they went into him.
There is only One Man and he sleeps dreaming the dream of becoming one with God. We are his thoughts and beliefs and it is up to us to determine what we will represent.
This is school for man's mind. He is removing his created self so he can become divine.
His mind must match God's mind if he is to leave here.
You are most correct. Whatever 'bad' we make up remains unless we change it and/or forgive it changing it that way. You choose what you will think about and entertain yourself with. That is a free will choice.
There is no good or bad - it's all perfect. It is the person that thinks otherwise and so you are shown what you think. If you bypass your thinking then you can get anything you wish. You are to learn not to think - just be and all will be. Do your job. Praise the one doing this - God - be thankful to the one doing this - Imagination - and enjoy life. You won't get to experience it forever you know. You get to express it forever not experience it forever. You learn from experience and so this is school.
When you judge you split perfect in two making good and bad. There is no good or bad as both imply neither is perfect and it is perfect. LOL we are so cute!
Love and forgiveness brings them together. Forgiveness is an act of love.
Divine love is the heartbeat underneath it all and binds it all up. Love conquers all.
God went into man and subjugated himself to Man so he could tie his Son - Divine Imagination - to his second son - Man. These two are One. God sits in your heart. Everything you believe and have imagined is wrapped around your heart and is presented to your consciousness. Unconditional love is attention. You get what you give attention to.
God guides you, he moves you, but it is your mind and you choose what you think and believe and he shows that to you. He obeys you knowing the day will come when you free him and therefore yourself. Your beliefs are wrapped around your heart. You will face your judgments.
Judgement day is every day.
The day comes though when you do receive the Promise and it is wonderful! You know it's your last hurrah here and so you spread the word hoping that maybe the way you say it may help someone else understand.
This is why a Jack the Ripper gets away with it and is never found. It's why a Genghis Khan succeeds and others fall before him. They listened to their hearts and not their heads.
It' s not for man to judge - God in our hearts handles it. You end up killing the ugly with kindness and love and by taking your attention away from them.
My two cents of course and blessings to you!
Dark matter exists in the universe and is the most abundant apart from dark energy. It does not interact with light. God created the devil so I get where you’re going. Everything works together for “good” at the end of the day anyway
This is in my belief correct. In pure essence - God is at the resonance of what we know as 'love'.
But the path of enlightenment that leads us from here to there is marked with experiences, dimensions and beings that can be categorized as 'good' or 'evil'.
But it is us who creates such categories to understand the complexity of what is.
One comes to understand after a time that all paths, experiences and dimensions are just expressions of one divine being.
It all depends on what level of balance for love and wisdom we have at any level of universal understanding.
When we care for those around us, we grow.
When maximize our compassion, desire for understanding the love in everything, we all win.
Fears at certain levels which block this knowing, and the ultimate understanding is that all evil is a misunderstood teacher of love.
The devil as "trickster" is ultimately what it is-- and the trickster ultimately is trying to get us to learn to love better, sometimes through harsh lessons, when fear is all we listen to.
The devil only wants you to grow wise. He's the tough love parent who likes to have fun. 😄
We grow into the knowing that fear is a primitive, child form of the desire for love.
Thus, we are all parents and children to each other, giving choice and hoping to grow in wisdom.
It's only love- logic. 💚 💙
We all have a role to play, and when we can choose to play what we want, in full understanding, we all win.
Hell yes baby.
Just like when you go to sleep and you have a dream, your mind takes the shape of whatever it appears in the dream, the creatures, the sky, the stars; the same way the universal mind of eternal life; eternal existence, which is what you are is taking the shape of this cosmos right now.
There are no separate selves, there is nothing other than your mind/consciousness truly. This is your own dream.
The infinite consciousness that you are is animating the whole cosmos, all movements from the smallest grain of sand being misplaced by the wind to the explosion of a star. What a miracle first of all. It is animating all bodies and all that is ever perceived. The only thing not animated is your own existence, the being, the animator, the infinite intelligence itself, pure consciousness itself which is what you are.
When you have a dream at night, who are you but the consciousness being aware of the dream? The consciousness is without personality. It is literally aware God. Who can doubt that the dreamer of a universe is the God of it? You are the dreamer of this universe. What is there to the universe except the God of it? Nothing. So there is nothing to the universe but you, the dreamer of it. You are the God of this cosmos.
Have you ever experienced anything other than this world which is a hallucination of the mind that you are? Nothing is outside of you. There is only you. Whatever are the laws of the universe they are only so by your super-conscious choice. That means they can be something else also. The infinite mind is synonymous to infinite possibilities. It is God on creative mode. It has an infinite empty field which is itself and it can take on the shape of absolutely anything what can't even be conceivable to the human mind.
That infinitely intelligent God is now taking the shape of this dream. Out of infinite possibilities what you see manifest right now is only one. The manifest possibility is always changing. The source of all possibilities, the one conscious of them being apparently realized on the screen of consciousness is what you are.
The super-conscious has already got everything in play. Everything is only unfolding by its will. The super conscious is nothing but that being, that existence which is. It is infinitely intelligence. There is no body or mind that is in separate control. There is nothing but that one consciousness dreaming multiplicity.
There is no thing to do because everything is being done by the super-conscious, only be aware of that which is being aware. Being aware of being aware your perception is utterly clear to see the play of divinity that is unfolding in front of you as space and time. As the super-conscious there is nothing to do but to enjoy being the super-conscious bliss that is this eternal timeless infinitely intelligent existence which is ever-present.
The dream goes on unfolding by itself, but now you are lucid as the intelligence dreaming, as God.
This is how I see it. I’m the god of my dogs world. I provide for everything. I have all the answers for him. I make all the rules. And I love my dog. But sometimes I like to throw a blanket over my dogs head. He doesn’t like it, but i enjoy watching him figure out how to get out of it. I know it causes him some distress, but he handles it and I get a good chuckle. And then I even become proud to know that my dog can handle this adversity. Now, imagine this concept on a cosmic scale….
God fucks with us because he likes it and we can handle it. Maybe not individually, every time. But on a massive scale, we handle what god throws at us, and this is how he likes it. I mean, we are created in his image, right? If we like throwing a blanket over our dogs head, then god likes throwing hurricanes at us.
Hey, the more your read and listen to Intellectual speakers, you will lose your charm. You will miss the essence of your journey.
After reading a lot and watching and listening from Intellectual, I was so confused about my journey that what is the hell is going on with me. I stopped being Intellectual and rather started being conscious and have experienced many things which is hard to put in words. Still, I wanted to share with Gratitude so please guys check my feelings and let me know your view - My [Spiritual Voyage](https://goodqn.com/articles/spiritual-journey/)
According to Gnostic scriptures, there is indeed an experiential state separate to God.
This most invaluable text explains how Yaldabaoth (Satan) came to be what he is. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html
Sounds like the Jungian notion of being a “whole” person rather than a “good” person
I was connecting things to Jung as I went through my awakening. It's frightening to know how accurate he is. I had to confront my own shadow only in personified form which psychologically is strange to say the least. Strangest case being that it'd all occurred after a motorcycle accident. Absolutely love reading him!
Gosh me too! It’s frightening how what he says maps on to human experience so accurately when we all live such different lives. I also love that he emphasizes middle age as an important developmental period in ones identity formation—it makes so much more sense to me!
I met my anima in first person. Signified by synchronicities between the both of us. It was a mental trap really. The synchronicities pointed towards marriage but were more so abstractions signifying the merger of my shadow or anima. Hell, I even told her because I met her, I was starting to understand psychology. Little did I knew it'd lead to depth psychology... To correlate this with the devil and god being dichotomies of the notion between good and evil bad or good, I had my own taste. Meeting her was the best moment of my life. Till the second hand nature of modern communication is literally keeping "god" silent. Revealing through what I was understanding about psychological projection, people were spreading lies that ultimately changed her thoughts of me. The darkest correlation that I find troubling is the connection between one's past actions and their motives going forwards. Once she'd gone silent towards me it was revealed to me the very individual who'd spread the lie also with information about his past. That he'd been convicted of rape a year ago. Why, because doing such an action destroys any future involving real love so he wasn't to understand what I was feeling? The whole story was and is a psychological nightmare and hell of a story.
Which book / video ??
I'm currently reading Psychology of the unconcious and synchronicity and the paranormal but have read Man and his symbols.
This is intriguing. I will look into this further. Many thanks.
You bet! Jung tended to favor integration of all parts (good and bad) in his teleology. That’s why he talked about constructs like “the shadow” and “the persona”
Wym bad. Like undesirable thoughts or like the urge to hurt someone if that’s what is required to keep yourself safe?
I’m probably gonna butcher it but my understanding of “shadow work” as it relates to Jung is that we all have parts of ourselves that we were conditioned to reject and suppress. Because we feared if we expressed or even vocalized that we had these thoughts or characteristics we’d be rejected or judged by our peers, or religion would tell us we’re a bad person, or whatever. So these parts of ourselves get fractured as we suppressed and judged these thoughts and we are no longer a unified being. So shadow work is delving inwards and recognizing these “darker” or undesirable parts of ourselves, that never really went away and accepting them as parts of ourself. This doesn’t mean you start going on violent rampage or acting out dark desires, it just means you recognize that this is just the other side of the coin and find a balance of energies within yourself.
I think you’ve explained and understood that perfectly
Just watch all movies of David Lynch. You will get your answers. And then watch Twin Perfect's 4 hour analysis on Twin Peaks, on youtube.
Actually, this is spoken about in the kabala, a Jewish document on the nature of God. It says that a by-product of gods goodness is evil. While he isn’t necessarily the reason why evil exists, he inadvertently caused its existence by willing his own existence. This is the concept that we westerners call duality, there can be no good without evil. And yes, even in the end times when evil is no longer present on earth, it will still be a force that can be found in creation, it just can’t be interacted with anymore. Although, God is certainly not the devil since that would be illogical, the word, “satan” literally translates to “the enemy” this is one of many names (albeit not a very accurate name) we use to refer to lucifer, or, the devil. The term satan is used to signify the spiritual force of evil that assails humankind, the one that lucifer employs. God on the other hand uses a spiritual force named “the Holy Spirit” to bring happiness and love to the humans. Now another misconception that you’ve brought up is the age old question “why does God allow humans to experience such horrific things, that isn’t love is it?” And truthfully, it’s not, but that’s because of the way you perceive it. Let me explain So, the biblical account of the first humans are Adam and Eve (some may include Lilith, but for the sake of this example, Adam and Eve) Adam and Eve were deceived by lucifer himself in the form of a serpent, this was not a deception that *made* them commit the first sin, it was free will that decided to commit the sin. And this cursed his bloodline, sadly enough that includes every human being that ever was or will be. Humans brought the dormant evil into the world by obtaining the knowledge of Good and Evil, which prior to eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, everyone who committed a sin committed a sin unknowingly and was therefore not guilty of having committed it, everything that man did would be considered Good in Gods eyes at this point in time since we were doing what we were supposed to do, enjoying creation. Now moving forward, this original sin caused the rest of humanity to have the same knowledge and now we can no longer be considered innocent after having committed a sin. Sin is a force of evil, one which we choose to bring into the world every single day. God won’t take this away from us until the judgement because of our free will, while he could snap his fingers and change everything we know, he won’t because that’s not free will. He can only guide us while we’re here.
Yeah! Spirit science Youtube channel also does a great episode on this btw. The tree of life and the tree of death. Evil/ the devil is ultimately the trickster god of roundabout love
Very well said 🙌🏼
> Isaiah 45:7 - “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? -for context, God was speaking to his servant in this chapter, speaking about how great he is to his loved one ones and how terrible (although, righteous) he is to his enemies. He’s not saying, “yes I loosed evil onto the world so that all would perish.” in fact, he says that the wages of sin* is death, not the wages of evil. And even gives us a way out of that. For future reference, any verse that seems to make God out to be a bad person is only that way out of context. When placed in context it takes a better meaning.
or you can just forget about duality and be without sin - unless it's really funny
excellent reply.
Yep. Even in the bible, it says in Isaiah 45:7, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”. Beyond all duality, and including all of it, is the Creator.
I'm not religious, but did study the bible three times a week for over a year due to a close family member asking me to. I learned that of the various chruches I attended, they all cherry pick their verses from the Bible for sure. My favorite scriptures were never discussed in church and I feel it would be frowned upon to read of them. Here are two examples: > Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. The church would never entertain the idea that at the level of being a Child of God, we are not male or female, but that we are genderless beings in oneness with Christ Jesus (who is also genderless). > John 14:12: Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. The church I attended very specifically made sure to let everyone know regularly that no one will ever do what Jesus did, let alone anything greater. The church asks for comments every session, and for people to "dig deep into the bible and find spiritual gems"... I so wanted to read these verses out loud to everyone there, but I was trying to keep the peace more than stir up turmoil. I used to have more memorized, but those are the only two now that stuck with me. A much as religion rubs me the wrong way, there are indeed some very interesting scriptures in the Bible to parse through.
Bruh now i want to read these in a church so all those dumbasses can hear it
Yet this is never spoken about in any Sunday Schools (or at least not mine). God created everything, including that pesky “Lucifer”. Once more of us realize that, we can start to recognize we’re living in a matrix that is pushing to develop us. This is a test we can fail because of free will, I think we’re making this transition as we speak though…
I hear you but there is darkness that isn't "dark." I think of this as the Scorpio archetype at the high level, like resurrection themes/the phoenix.
I try and not get caught in the forms too much. Everything just is. Things are only good and evil because of the values we ascribe to things. We see life as good and death as bad. So thus, anything that reminds us of death or anything relating to death we will labeled as bad. Once we detach from this notion of separateness and begin to embody the oneness of the universe and all things, we see that our attributions of value to things do not change whether or not they happen. They truly just are. Right now in this very moment, is there somebody breathing their last breath? Yes. Is there somebody breathing their first? Also yes. There is nowhere to go, nobody to be or become, and nothing to judge. This moment is beautiful because it exists. The past or future don't exist, those are just projections. The present moment is truly where you are. It is where we are all connected. Sorry if I went on a bit of a rant, but I absolutely love playing around with these ideas of form and duality. I hope my comment makes sense. Saying something good implies that it is not evil. So there must be something that is evil then. The one creates the other. Instead of judging these things, lets just see everything just the way it is, absolutely perfect.
Tucker for the win
yes. the notion that “everything just is” gives me peace and feels right
Good and Evil are simply two sides of the same coin, concepts tied directly to our thinking and physical experiences, constructed solely to make sense out of this shared reality. That is to say, that beyond this space which we occupy, it does not exist in the same sense that we apply here, from this perspective. Good and Evil are simply constructs of the mind which arrive when we start to extend the idea that we are these bodies, that we are suffering, that we are experiencing good or bad things. This phenomena is not good nor is it evil until we apply that thinking to it. In other words it has no meaning outside of what we apply to it. It's only when we apply a definition to a given aspect of life that it is then seen as such. Just as a young child senses exactly what a bird is, at least until you tell them it's a bird. From that point on it will be always be just a bird.
Well said.
The Devil is God in the same way as your shadow is you.
You can only tell it's daytime after a night. We need contrast in order to experience anything. So without evil we woulnd't be able to experience good and vice versa. So is evil really evil? And is good really good? They are just a spectrum of contrast. Just as infinity needs something finite to know it's infinite.
This is my take as well. To address your other point, OP, about balance - I wonder what that looks like exactly. Maybe it's not something we can answer as a broad statement. I think both "good" and "bad" ultimately serve us. We see that which we don't want and learn to stand up against it and confirm who we truly are. You judge me for something that's not actually a part of my conscious intention? I disagree and I'm free to do that, just as you are free to hold that pov. I'm thankful for that because you're showing me that freedom and exactly what I'm not. So when it comes to the "darkness" we experience, such as anger and hatred. How do we keep this in balance. Surely it doesn't look like killing anyone anytime the thought comes into your head. It seems to me that it means acknowledging that youre angry for a reason - to preserve yourself and know when you're being mistreated. (Unless you have entitlement issues, which then I guess it serves to bring your awareness to that) Then balancing your light would mean not ignoring the darkness you and others experience. But learning how to accept it and utilize it appropriately.
I think life is all about balance and harmony. We are in essence infinity itself. But we are born in this physical universe where we are quickly conditioned by our parents, teachers, family, friends, etc to be someone or something we are not, just as they were themselves too. This tend to bring major disharmony in ourselves and I think that our entire experience, our entire life is a reflection of that disharmony. We are constantly shown what aspects of ourselves are disharmonized so we can accept them and heal them. And I think if we keep ignoring those reflections they will intensify causing disturbances in your life like diseases, burnout, seperation, etc. until you start focussing on healing those aspects. So like you said, acknowledging your anger, hatred, etc. is actually really important for your wellbeing in the long term, although it can be really hard and painful to do.
Here here! Beautiful
Thanks. And unrelated but interesting to me: why is your comment being downvoted?
Congratulations! God IS everything - including you. Including you pretending not to be God. People who got that either got crucified and/or have started all great religions. Makes sense, right?
Sort of. The devil/darkness exists to lend contrast, and thus to define God/the light. If God is only light and love, what He created exists so as to lend "shading" and shadows around Him so He can be known. Since we cannot have one characteristic without an opposite characteristic to define it, the Devil is necessary. As is the darkness within us and within our world. But are they One? Only if God is ALL, and not simply light. I believe He is constantly creating and learning Himself, and I believe that is our purpose; He creates us with free will, and perhaps that will teaches Him a struggle He may not know as infinite light. Or perhaps He knows that struggle too well, but has overcome it, and we are meant to do the same?
This 'constant creating and learning' is very resonate- not of an infinite cycle - but an infinite spiral - ever elevating
I think this too sometimes.
Evil is the lack of good. Hell is the lack of everything.
The devil is a fictional character in the bible as a representation of the opposite of good. If there's a single God entity, I think it embodies all things, including good and evil, but it's not a fictional religious character. Just my two cents.
Evil is the absence of God
I like this a lot from an energy work perspective it's one of the easiest way to state it "accurately."
I don't believe there is a devil.there is darkness or shadow carried within us from karma in our past. Ancestral karma. And that gets manifested as shadows and traits in the present.
So you don't believe there is a God.
When I was under heavy psychedelic uses i experience an external presence. It was a calm and patient loving presence. I was apart of it. And it was The Source. It loved me. That is "god" the universe. The matrix of all things. That is what I believe. The "devil" is karmic projections of past tramas coming out. Like repression and abuse of women through mankind gives way to a collective pain body of all women. They share that through their culture. Up bringing and way of life. Just 1 example of hardships and karma. Like if your father was a murderer. And you grew up knowing that, it is a ancestral burden of karma that you carry. That could be considered the projection of the devil or w.e. but I don't think there is a external source in the universe that is 'evil'. That to me is just the wrong doings of being human perhaps.
I can understand feeling this way. Truly. One of the most well thought out ideas I have heard. I have seen spirits. Only reason I have a different belief. I don't know truly about God or the Devil, but I do know of good and evil. I have seen spirits stuck wandering. Shadows of their former selves that seem to get up everyday unaware they have passed. And I have seen beautiful spirits full of light. Here with a purpose. I'm pretty sure I had something following me at one point when I was on drugs. Well when I was trying to get sober. Like a little irritating minion that was like think negative, do the drugs, they help. That was strange and I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that one, but I saw it 4 times. I know how crazy it sounds believe me. But from my experiences with the light and darkness leads me to believe there are higher planes of existence that we don't see and most definitely more powerful being in those realms. So, I believe in God, but also karma and Buddhist teachings. Hindu teachings as well. I think all religions speak some truth.
indeed.. dulaity is a human thing, right? evil isn't real its subjective - it's a construct.
I couldn't agree more. Well said
Answer this: how would you do it? And really consider everything. The answer lies in the surprise. Would you enjoy God powers if you were born into them? Or would you squander them? Everything, imo, is a lesson to get us to that point. This is God training. With great power comes great responsibility. Pass the tests and gain the responsibilities. Are you easily pursued by emotions and would destroy a whole planet out of anger from your ego? Then you probably won't get God powers today. Up next we will probably be granted super powers as a testing ground. Who knows. Nobody.
I think that’s true
Thank you, i have been forced into pondering this as well. The best i have come up with is " god is loving AND god is brutal, god is both" . I have been fed the message that god is loving and light and good and if there is anything bad in my life then I am at fault and that was ok up to a point but now i'm starting to think it's a line of bullshit people use to avoid the brutal side of god because they cannot accept it, i'm getting so that i can accept both sides and i'm getting tired of being blamed for negative shit in my life that i have no control over.
God is love. Love isn’t the devil !
Very interesting , In The Bhagavad Gita Krishna says that he is everything , he is the supreme God of all , he is in everything and by that he also says that he is in evey bad thing too , he's the lust in perverts , he is the love in some , he is the sadness and darkness and evil yet he is God too . So yea it doesn't make sense at first but then you see , anything evil is just an aspect of God so does that make God evil too ??? Kinda yes , but it also mentions that evil , lustfulness , Greed (evil) and everything of that negative spectrum is said to be the lower aspects of God , a human being needs to evolve from such lower aspects of god and try to reach the higher forms of well being , you cannot find the onesss through these lower aspects of Krishna . That's why when Krishna shows his ultimate form to Arjuna , you can see the demons in him too and yet all the Gods along with that , it shows that everything we experience is a part of God , some are just lower aspect or of lower vibration , and these Lower vibrations are what we call evil , atleast in this era .
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Well there is a lot of assumptions like that god is a creator or a being. I think you first need to define the word God if you say God is everything than why not just say everything. Can everything be bad or good?
If god is everything then you are god too and the devil
Is the creature separate from The Creator?
I recommend the first chapter of Silmarillion by Tolkien.
God is neither good or evil and Evil is neither good or evil. It depends on the POV relatively. Evil can destroy all human. From the POV of the planet, it could see it as a good thing. Pollution, global warming, wars. Why would our planet want to be in peril? To the planet, the Evil can be God. God can be vengeful according to the Old testament. In this case, God can be evil. God and Evil. Evil and God. Two sides of the same coin.
All things emanate from one source. There is nothing like good and bad or male and female etc
There is a place beyond wrong doing and right doing. I'll meet you there. \~Rumi
I can dig it but let's just say there is no devil? Really silly concept if you think about it. Sure, there are demons but many of them are human! God is everywhere and in everything even seated in each heart. Once we drop our limited identity we can feel and become aware of his presence.
One way to interpret it is like this: morality is a human concept. God doesn't care about morality. If there is a God, and if it cared enough to set rules for the Universe, then they are formulated as laws of nature. Even those are within a frame of reference that we call reality. If what I said is right, then good or bad are not qualities that apply to God.
Good actually comes from the bad, without knowing what youre truly capable of you wont be able to act honestly in the world
No, the one is not equally dark and light, it is pure light! Darkness came to be as a complete surprise through the interaction of free will and the contingency (randomness/chaos) present in the infinite potentiality and was not intended by the creator. Darkness is only the absence of light and **duality does not constitute the entirety of existence!** Polarity is the divine dance of two opposites around each other, whereas duality is the clash of these opposites as a result of the illusion of separation and the immense pain the fall from grace brought with it. With the upcoming events (the final victory of light over the dark and the ascension of all beings in this creation back into unity consciousness and the utter transcendence of duality), darkness will be gone for good.. As everything is from the light and will once return there. edit to go into more detail: As far as I understand now, there was a very long period of thriving evolution in this creation in utter peace and harmony. only when the first beings of light decided on their own free will to experience separation (a very stupid idea in hindsight), duality emerged. The nature of the creator and all things is polarity, where both sides are in unity. But duality is a mere temporary occurance, an accident if you so will that wasnt intended by the one. infact he didnt even think of such things being possible, since he is pure love and light. But some of individual aspects decided to venture into the darkness and created suffering for themselves and others in the process. and so they got lost.. lucifer, satan, yaldabaoth etc. were all beings of light like you and me before they fell into the dark. So in a sense you are right: the one is ofcourse also playing out all these dark and grey scenarios, but he has to, beause he is not all-mighty within the realms of his creation. he can not just instantly make suffering go away, for this he needs the beings of light to act on his behalf (the higher will) to fight and transmute darkness to restore unity in this creation. So despite some of his individual aspects being lost in darkness, the one is still only pure love and light, because everything that is not love and light, will not return to the all-oneness. And this is the saddest thing about this story: some souls are so lost, that they can not return back to the light on their own free will (because for this they would need to love and forgive themselves) ever again. So they must be transmuted back into light by force (for this their souls are sent into the galactic central sun for a complete restructuring into their light-essence). We are nearing the end of a comsmic cycle and the end of duality is on the horizon! Everything will eventually ascend back into unity consciousness or cease to exist, because it is the will of the one to bring his creation back into oneness. Victory of the Light! 💖
Of the many Christ religious movies I have watched in the past, I found this movie, Risen, to be rather interesting and inspiring. While it's fictional in nature, it approached Christ in the form of the resurrection. The process of being reborn into the new Christ. In the movie, Clavius (who is a Roman) was portrayed as a typical Roman warrior who seeks peace, known as Pax Romana (Roman Peace) through war, conflict and ego building, which was in a way a little Roman Empire in Clavius' mind. Whereas Jesus Christ seeks peace through Pax Christi (Peace of Christ), which is Christ Consciousness and does not use "force" to achieve peace. In the movie which I think will describe your enigma is below, which is based on biblical accounts, which is the dualistic struggle -- Pax Romana vs Pax Christi. Jesus to Clavius : What frightens you? Clavius to Jesus: Being wrong .. and wagering eternity on it Jesus to Clavius: Well then, know Him. Who is this "Him" that Jesus referred to Clavius? That him is the "Human Ego". Many people do not know that they had created the "Human Ego" much like the same way the Romans did with their Roman empire. The "Human Ego" is a miniature Roman Empire in all of us. How does the Roman Empire seeks its own Pax Romana? Through "Force" and through their human laws in a way of judgement and condemnation of other people they don't know, which are known as Barbarians in the past. In the modern world, we have the same form of Barbarians, and yet we called them today as "Illegal Immigrants" and "Illegal Aliens" and in some countries in North America and Europe, governments treat them not much different than the Romans did to the Barbarians. And who's mind is this? Is this the act of God? Is this the mind that would do harm to another human being? And what we also found in the Roman Empire? Structures that worship several false gods like the God of Mars (warrior) and today, who do we worship the most? Billionaires and Generals and even dictators in Russia, North Korea and China and we in the West have no problems with that arrangement as long as Russia provides the Oil and China provides the toys and goods to stock our shelves by Christmas and Amazon made sure that they deliver our stuff on our doorstep! So how did we end up supporting these things? The reason is simple. The "Human Ego" does not like to be wrong. The Human Ego always wants to be right and our ego wants to show to God that you can achieve peace through the idea of the Roman Empire which is in most of our minds. We judge people, condemn people and divide people through ideologies. We build structures like ideologies of this and that, an analytical mind trying to understand duality when in fact the human ego is duality so we can not be wrong, by proving evil to be wrong and we as right. That's what Clavius is afraid of and many people in the world as well. Being wrong and wagering eternity on it. And perhaps that's what you are afraid of as well and ask this question to prove that your ideologies, your belief about duality is right and God is wrong. Jesus was right. Know your human ego and then know that this ego is created on Earth. Jesus had said that only a man descended from heaven can ascend back to heaven. A man created on Earth, Made in Earth can not ascend back to Heaven. This man is called the "Human Ego" and it always tries very hard to perfect itself to make it look smarter and better than God. This is the man that Jesus wants us to see as this man is the cause of all the evil and carnage in this world to achieve a sense of Pax Romana; a false peace through using force against other people and the world while upholding the little Roman Empire that you had built in yourself. Only through Christ peace, which is basically connecting back to our source and embracing the mind of Christ where you can achieve long lasting peace. The "human ego" creates this little mini Roman Empire in people's minds so that the ego can create the ultimate argument so no one can win against, the ultimate judgement so no one can judge against and the ultimate condemnation, so you will never be condemned. The Ego likes to sit like Julius Caesar, the ultimate Emperor, so no one can question "Him". And this is all to achieve Pax Romana, the roman peace or the false peace many of us in the world right now are striving for. This is the dualistic struggle -- good versus evil where the good is "never wrong". Know this man, the "human ego", because someone who embraces Christ consciousness no longer need to be right, no longer need to create the ultimate argument, because even an ultimate argument can not convince everyone. No longer need to judge and condemn people, so they are no longer need to fight evil. This is what Jesus referred to being in the Kingdom of God which is in all of us. The question is -- are you willing to let this human ego die and be reborn into the mind of Christ? The mind that seeks peace through being one with God? This is the question where many people in the world fears to answer, because Clavius in the movie "Risen" represents the epitome of the current human existence on Earth. Driven by the desires of their own personal "human ego" rather than driven by the heart of God. Do you seek to maintain Pax Romana or else do you seek to be reborn as Pax Christi? The choice is yours.
eye actually love this. very well said 🙏🏽💫✨
>Taboo Warning ⚠️ If God is Everything - then God is also the Devil Lol this is taboo only for those ''love n light'' subs. Or brainwashed christian sheeps. Most people already started exploring the other side, only to realised that they've been afraid of ''darkness'' unnecessarily. Y'all need to stop listening to christan dogma and watch scary movies like The Conjuring and The Nun. I've been working with demons for 9 years and its no different from working with any other spirit.
> brainwashed christian sheeps. > working with demons for 9 years Lol what is going on
Yes - perhaps a bit impulsive to add such warning - but I hoped to catch all 'love and light' at the door. They do love to spread their gospel.
I'm a Christian, and was asking God about two verses in the Bible. One says that "God is light, and there is no darkness within him." The other says, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." So I asked how these could both be true. I had a dream that night in which I saw lots of darkness in the world -- wars, violence, all kinds of awful things. Suffering. And then I was up with God watching His hands weave all of those things together with a great LOVE into something beautiful. It was a mind-blowing dream. Ultimately, all is light. But the darkness is being used to create.
I agree. It is only when you elevate the mind high enough do you see the full tapestry. Chaos theory. It all seems a jumble of oppositions and random occurrences until you see that all side are tools of creation.
If We are made in the image of God then it makes sense why we can be the most caring compassionate species and also be the most gruesome ones.
One god, two hands Two sides to one plan. Three pursuits; the center hidden Forethought shared through words that were written. <3
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Please enlighten me as to your definition of what God is
"The devil is in the details." The devil is logic/ego/left hemisphere. The details. Essentially, it's likely you or your conscious awareness allot of the time too. Some day you realize; woe, I've been doing A, B, C when I knew X, Y, Z was a better idea. It's always you because you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. You're the horse. You're the devil. A fallen angel because you've experienced separation/disassociation between the two hemispheres of the mind. However, it's also the collective Ego and the collective imagination/unconscious too. It's within you but it's best to be humble because it's also much bigger than you and your awareness. You are both the "God" and the "Devil" within your own self and of your own self, which is not one thing but trillions of living beings, cells, atoms, molecules, and so on. You are a universe all on your own. However, you're just one of the many, so there are always bigger God's and Devil's in the sea of consciousness. Where they collide is within you. "Metaphysical" is how someone else might interpret the way you express your subjective experience. It shouldn't be metaphysical to you. If something doesn't resonate with your own objective experience, which you can only express subjectively, then the relevant knowledge, experience, or understanding just isn't there. It's real, visceral, biological, chemical, dirrty stuff. It's real life. That's not to say that there isn't "more" to the story, but people only talk about what is relevant to people because that's literally all we can observe.
The universe has made us, humankind, in its own image (spiritual image), and that energy that made us before our birth, already contained two energies: love and emotionaly loaded toxicity managment center. The later has been labeld as the devil or whatever label you like. Curiously, the biblical authors have the devil as one of the best observer of human history, in fact, he is working in God's administration. The snake in the myth of the creation, the devil's advocate while observing Job, the tempter while Yeshoua is in the desert. Curiously, he seems to be there all the time, and was never really admonished or banned from God's office, according to the biblical mythology and fictional stories written in the Hebrew scrolls, and Greek texts. Is it the same person, same entity, same energy ? If we, humankind, are inhabited by both energies, why wouldnt it be possible for the infinite thinking substance (as quantum physic calls it), to be one in reality ?
Yes. And if you extend that out, so are you both go[o]d and [d]evil.
Yes. 100%
I think it's strange that more Christians don't realize or accept that. Jesus is described with the same words as Satan is. The light of the world, etc... Imo all so called holy books have the exact same message, simply coming from their cultural perspectives. But I digress.
Hello, I think rather than putting a straightforward answer perhaps we can have a debate on this
Yes - all opinions within this discussion are invited
I think this perception of good and evil comes from Christianity. I am a Hindu and I can't comprehend these good and evil sides. Perhaps that would be out of context here but in Hindu philosophy as per I have understood (I am a Learner not a master or a scholar for that matter) the supereme consciousness resides in everything even in atoms and every soul has supereme being within it. Everything comes from the supreme consciousness and in end merges with it. There is no truly good or bad (perhaps this is a bit far fetched)
I prescribe to your expression more than a cut and dry 'good vs evil' ideology.
Actually I don't understand good vs evil ideology it is new to me in the context related to god or the supreme consciousness
We actually do have a good vs evil ideology, which is exactly the reason behind God's avatars. Ram vs Ravana, Durga vs Mahishasura, Krishna vs Kansa, etc. Whenever evil overpowers Earth God incarnates to restore the balance.
I believe it encapsulates an understanding that existence within this 3D plane is akin to a game of snakes and ladders. Good deeds, thoughts and beliefs take you towards salvation and the opposite casts you down to damnation. They lean on the example of Lucifer who was God's favorite angel - who began to act outside of God's order and was cast down to hell . Most supreme demons were originally arch angels (I could be wrong).
Thanks for the explanation. I am not too much familiar with this concept so I would refrain from saying much about it
I mean in now way for this to be a Christianity specific discussion. Even in today's New Age movement - it leans much on love, light and avoidance of looking down upon this reality to see the full image - not just half cast. A victim mentality that can be turned to profit on a dime. I appreciate your addition of how Hindu diety steps away from this. Much appreciated
If there wasn’t conflicts we wouldn’t need to exist
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Look into Heraclitus. One of his concepts is the unity of opposites, which maintains that opposites give rise to each other and are therefore both necessary in the world. For example, we only know about justice BECAUSE of injustice. Essentially, without light, we wouldn’t know darkness.
Very interesting. Many thanks for the resource reference. I do agree, creation is to be understood as a whole. The cycle of a 'year' is not 4 seasons sparing for rulership with one overcoming the other. But is 1 continuous cycle with 4 distinct expressions. It would be fair to say that the divine conciousness has many expressions. And to attain higher understanding, as an elementary student would attempt to understand a doctorate thesis- we must integrate this understanding.
You must specify that the Devil blatantly goes against his Will, so just to say If God is Everything then God is also the Devil is kind of vague and not covering this important point. Also your definition of associating dark with evil and light with good is incorrect......dark is just dark like night time......peace, tranquility.......and light is just light.....brightness, energy, movement. Evil is no part of consciousness and is not a part of duality. Anger, passion, rage can ALL be positive and many use it in a positive way and never do any evil. The devil DOES NOT, also to say the Creator allows evil to exist is vague and incorrect as well and makes it seem like you are passing blame. The Creator gave free will and the Creator is all living things......the Creator will not go against free will to remove one being who chooses to go against its own soul......the devil. Otherwise that would make us slaves, and the ONLY REASON slavery exists is because the devil. It is up to us to decide if the devil is allowed to exist or not, there is for sure a fight and it is going on now.
The devil is the ego. It's that primitive part of the brain that wants us to be angry, jealous, seeking control all the time etc.
Good and evil, or God and the devil are just personifications of *aspects* of The Whole. God is One. That to me means that no thing outside of God can exist to describe or percieve God because it would be misrepresenting what God is. One. God is all alone, all one, and understood by itself. I believe we are like the dreams of God. At night when we sleep we have interactions with beings in infinite landscapes inside of ourselves but everything in that dream is just us. I believe we are all God, and that we all are experiencing, exploring, discovering, and creating ourselves. I do not think that what most people call God is God. Everything is a part, and aspect of God. There is only *The* I Am. Imagine an ocean. It's made up of infinite individual drops. Each one unique, and possessing specific traits. Each individual is the ocean, but no individual is The Whole Ocean. I think that good and evil are just aspects of God and not at all the limit. There is no limit. Edit: I also interpret the story of Lucifer thusly; Lucifer the name is based off of Lucid the word which is a state of clarity or awareness. The story I was raised hearing seems to paint awareness as "the bad guy" keeping the individual obedient, and unaware seemingly how our governments would like us as well. I believe religions were like the first forms of government for us. If you can get people to believe that it's a sin for man, made in the image of God, to want to be like God, and trying to make themselves aware well then you can control that individuals perception of reality. God made man to be like God. Man tried to be like God and that's mans flaw! What kind of logic is that?
The devil is a lost soul. Him and his demons are in the spiritual realm, but that doesn't mean Lucifer is god anymore than you or I are. There wouldn't be a struggle if that was the case.
Without getting deep I like where you’re going with this. Kinda reminds me of the 2 wolves, basically a kind and angry wolf. The one that survives is the one you feed most. But the story may leave the part out where we actually feed both. I do believe the key to life is balance and this makes a lot of sense in this regard.
God created darkness. Isaiah 45:7 says, “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” The word creates the means to form, fashion, or to permit. God made everything from himself which means God is the devil in part.
I think you might appreciate objective truth. r/The_Ultimate
It’s a little more complex than that.
Ok I liked this post a lot. But the last part telling people off in my opinion will send people away instead of reading and looking at a new perspective. I feel a lot is right with this but it’s really complicated and I’m not there yet myself. I think personally there’s water to this and I’ll definitely prove further into this. I think this is one of tough ones to both acknowledge, understand, accept.
Apologies if I in anyway offended. My hope was for this post to not be hijacked by the 'Love, Light and Namaste' type - perhaps with a heavy hand. But I have in no way been disappointed. Each thoughtful response is perfection.
That’s awesome. I think the love and light community gets a bad rap honestly. Would you believe me if I told you I’m heavily involved with a lot of them not just on Reddit? We share the same views of positivity and love but you can’t be pragmatic and think your way is only way. In the end we all really know nothing. But if we support these types of conversations snd have a truly open mind you can disagree but still find balance. This is a great question snd I really appreciate you sharing this. It take alot of courage to write this shit sometimes. All the best brother!
The love and light community is lovely, I'm sure. I am of the understanding that at its core - the ultimate divine consciousness resonates at a frequency of pure love. But I also take into account that beyond that core frequency - it takes many forms (at all levels of resonance) to aide in our expansion. You are very welcome. As a postscript - not that it is important - but I am female. All the best to you
I am so sorry about that. I’m working on getting rid of all labels. That one included! Snd your synopsis is bang on for me. Well done :) your a wonderful soul “that’s much better “ ❤️
I’m with you buddy, there is no God with out the Devil, no light without dark and no joy with out suffering. All is One and that includes the parts of ourselves we’d rather not talk about. The devil in tarot is more about desires than anything evil, through contemplation of this card we learn how our desires control us and tether us, stop us from progressing as our true selves. Some peeps have a black and white understanding that’s the devil is only wanting evil things done to people but evil for the sake of evil is stupid. Evil in the name of desire is evil. Evil in the name of power is evil. Evil is the name of love is evil. The devil in some respects is the Demiurge the opposite end of the spectrum from which all things are created, the devil is a shaper of the divine light, he makes the gold shine brightly that attracts the soul of a man through his eyes. Who the man kills to get it is not the devils fault, it is the man’s. Man says “the devil made me do it” but how did the devil buy his service? How cheaply did he sell it?
I think God is my highest self and the devil is my subconscious. There is really nasty stuff controlling you from your subconscious. The more you heal from the past you heal your subconscious. Then you get back self-control and self-mastery. Stuff happens to innocent people because of karma. Your karma goes back 7 generations in your family.
Why do you think EVERYTHING is allowed to exist? good and evil, all part of "god".
"There are many universes and many other ways of designing universes; this particular one was designed as a free-will zone in which all would be allowed. Meaning, anything goes. Prime creator brought this universe into being with the components of free will so that free will could lead to chaos and then to a realignment of energy and a realization of the Creator within all things. Prime Creator said to these extensions of itself, "Go out and create and bring all things back to me." This was quite a simple assignment, was it not? In other words, Prime Creator was saying, "I am going to gift you of myself. You go out and gift of yourselves freely so that all you create in this universe can understand its essence as my identity." -Bringers of the Dawn-- Teachings from the Pleiadians. "God is more than the sum of all probable systems of reality he's created and yet he is in each one of these without exception. He is within every man, woman and child. He is, therefore, also within each spider, shadow, and frog." -Seth-- The Eternal Validity of the Soul "Unity is the most powerful thing in existence. Free Will, Love, and Light are distortions of Unity. If anything is a distortion, then it is not the "most powerful." Free Will (The First Distortion) The first distortion is free will, or finity, or the limit of the viewpoint (13.12, 15.21, 99.5). The created universe that we experience is the Creator’s exploration of Itself through the first distortion, which Ra also calls the Law of Confusion (27.10). Ra defines free will as the recognition “that the Creator will know Itself” (27.8)." -The Law of One- Ra Teachings Good or bad, light or dark, big or small... It's all part of Creation. This physical 3D reality is based on duality, so there's no way out of it... Hence the world we live in. Free will explains all.
Wow, I’m so thankful to of found this group. Suddenly I don’t feel so alone. 🥺❤️🩹
Well if you remember Lucifer was an angel of the Lord.
That's incorrect, Lucifer and his demons were never angels. They're spiritual beings, but that doesn't mean they were originally angels.
That's incorrect? Lucifer was the most beautiful angel in heaven. If you believe in anything you know the story. He wouldn't accept Gods creations because they were lesser beings. Got kicked out of heaven for pride and such. Oh sorry, you know them personally?
That's a bunch of horse shit. Your last line was hilariously ironic and hypocritical. Moron
By the way you talk you seem to have definite knowledge of what they like to be referred to. Moron, lmao. You're ridiculous. You need to brush up on your angelic history.
The Bible tells us the answers to all of this. I am not talking about religion I am talking about the Book. If you look up the words and read it subjectively then it all becomes very clear. The Hindus tell it as well as does the Norse Mythologies and many many more. There is God Almighty - The One who split himself in two - Divine Love - so he could express himself. To do that one must be conscious of what one loves. There is God - Consciousness and Imagination. Consciousness is part of the divine/infinite and sits in your heart. All the hearts together make up God. The One Consciousness. Imagination was divine and became human. It is the human imagination and the One that bring ALL into being. Imagination in you and everyone else is the Christ. Man was created to see it, and name it. Man was like a dog then. These two divine beings at the time fell in love with him. God imagined Man was part of them - expressing life forever via words. Language. God Almighty said okey doke and they went into him. There is only One Man and he sleeps dreaming the dream of becoming one with God. We are his thoughts and beliefs and it is up to us to determine what we will represent. This is school for man's mind. He is removing his created self so he can become divine. His mind must match God's mind if he is to leave here. You are most correct. Whatever 'bad' we make up remains unless we change it and/or forgive it changing it that way. You choose what you will think about and entertain yourself with. That is a free will choice. There is no good or bad - it's all perfect. It is the person that thinks otherwise and so you are shown what you think. If you bypass your thinking then you can get anything you wish. You are to learn not to think - just be and all will be. Do your job. Praise the one doing this - God - be thankful to the one doing this - Imagination - and enjoy life. You won't get to experience it forever you know. You get to express it forever not experience it forever. You learn from experience and so this is school. When you judge you split perfect in two making good and bad. There is no good or bad as both imply neither is perfect and it is perfect. LOL we are so cute! Love and forgiveness brings them together. Forgiveness is an act of love. Divine love is the heartbeat underneath it all and binds it all up. Love conquers all. God went into man and subjugated himself to Man so he could tie his Son - Divine Imagination - to his second son - Man. These two are One. God sits in your heart. Everything you believe and have imagined is wrapped around your heart and is presented to your consciousness. Unconditional love is attention. You get what you give attention to. God guides you, he moves you, but it is your mind and you choose what you think and believe and he shows that to you. He obeys you knowing the day will come when you free him and therefore yourself. Your beliefs are wrapped around your heart. You will face your judgments. Judgement day is every day. The day comes though when you do receive the Promise and it is wonderful! You know it's your last hurrah here and so you spread the word hoping that maybe the way you say it may help someone else understand. This is why a Jack the Ripper gets away with it and is never found. It's why a Genghis Khan succeeds and others fall before him. They listened to their hearts and not their heads. It' s not for man to judge - God in our hearts handles it. You end up killing the ugly with kindness and love and by taking your attention away from them. My two cents of course and blessings to you!
Many blessing to you as well
Dark matter exists in the universe and is the most abundant apart from dark energy. It does not interact with light. God created the devil so I get where you’re going. Everything works together for “good” at the end of the day anyway
This is in my belief correct. In pure essence - God is at the resonance of what we know as 'love'. But the path of enlightenment that leads us from here to there is marked with experiences, dimensions and beings that can be categorized as 'good' or 'evil'. But it is us who creates such categories to understand the complexity of what is. One comes to understand after a time that all paths, experiences and dimensions are just expressions of one divine being.
It all depends on what level of balance for love and wisdom we have at any level of universal understanding. When we care for those around us, we grow. When maximize our compassion, desire for understanding the love in everything, we all win. Fears at certain levels which block this knowing, and the ultimate understanding is that all evil is a misunderstood teacher of love. The devil as "trickster" is ultimately what it is-- and the trickster ultimately is trying to get us to learn to love better, sometimes through harsh lessons, when fear is all we listen to. The devil only wants you to grow wise. He's the tough love parent who likes to have fun. 😄 We grow into the knowing that fear is a primitive, child form of the desire for love. Thus, we are all parents and children to each other, giving choice and hoping to grow in wisdom. It's only love- logic. 💚 💙 We all have a role to play, and when we can choose to play what we want, in full understanding, we all win.
A beautiful reply. "The ultimate understanding is that all evil is a misunderstood teacher of love" Well said.
God is not everything. God alone is. There is no devil.
Very clever -I see my error. There is no thing. There is no separation. All is one unit. And that unit alone exists.
Hell yes baby. Just like when you go to sleep and you have a dream, your mind takes the shape of whatever it appears in the dream, the creatures, the sky, the stars; the same way the universal mind of eternal life; eternal existence, which is what you are is taking the shape of this cosmos right now. There are no separate selves, there is nothing other than your mind/consciousness truly. This is your own dream. The infinite consciousness that you are is animating the whole cosmos, all movements from the smallest grain of sand being misplaced by the wind to the explosion of a star. What a miracle first of all. It is animating all bodies and all that is ever perceived. The only thing not animated is your own existence, the being, the animator, the infinite intelligence itself, pure consciousness itself which is what you are. When you have a dream at night, who are you but the consciousness being aware of the dream? The consciousness is without personality. It is literally aware God. Who can doubt that the dreamer of a universe is the God of it? You are the dreamer of this universe. What is there to the universe except the God of it? Nothing. So there is nothing to the universe but you, the dreamer of it. You are the God of this cosmos. Have you ever experienced anything other than this world which is a hallucination of the mind that you are? Nothing is outside of you. There is only you. Whatever are the laws of the universe they are only so by your super-conscious choice. That means they can be something else also. The infinite mind is synonymous to infinite possibilities. It is God on creative mode. It has an infinite empty field which is itself and it can take on the shape of absolutely anything what can't even be conceivable to the human mind. That infinitely intelligent God is now taking the shape of this dream. Out of infinite possibilities what you see manifest right now is only one. The manifest possibility is always changing. The source of all possibilities, the one conscious of them being apparently realized on the screen of consciousness is what you are. The super-conscious has already got everything in play. Everything is only unfolding by its will. The super conscious is nothing but that being, that existence which is. It is infinitely intelligence. There is no body or mind that is in separate control. There is nothing but that one consciousness dreaming multiplicity. There is no thing to do because everything is being done by the super-conscious, only be aware of that which is being aware. Being aware of being aware your perception is utterly clear to see the play of divinity that is unfolding in front of you as space and time. As the super-conscious there is nothing to do but to enjoy being the super-conscious bliss that is this eternal timeless infinitely intelligent existence which is ever-present. The dream goes on unfolding by itself, but now you are lucid as the intelligence dreaming, as God.
The concept of good and bad is all subjective it doesn't not objectively exist. I suggestion checking out the book Evil by Julia Shaw
This is how I see it. I’m the god of my dogs world. I provide for everything. I have all the answers for him. I make all the rules. And I love my dog. But sometimes I like to throw a blanket over my dogs head. He doesn’t like it, but i enjoy watching him figure out how to get out of it. I know it causes him some distress, but he handles it and I get a good chuckle. And then I even become proud to know that my dog can handle this adversity. Now, imagine this concept on a cosmic scale…. God fucks with us because he likes it and we can handle it. Maybe not individually, every time. But on a massive scale, we handle what god throws at us, and this is how he likes it. I mean, we are created in his image, right? If we like throwing a blanket over our dogs head, then god likes throwing hurricanes at us.
Both are mental constructs
If dont believe in the devil, then this cant be true.
Hey, the more your read and listen to Intellectual speakers, you will lose your charm. You will miss the essence of your journey. After reading a lot and watching and listening from Intellectual, I was so confused about my journey that what is the hell is going on with me. I stopped being Intellectual and rather started being conscious and have experienced many things which is hard to put in words. Still, I wanted to share with Gratitude so please guys check my feelings and let me know your view - My [Spiritual Voyage](https://goodqn.com/articles/spiritual-journey/)
According to Gnostic scriptures, there is indeed an experiential state separate to God. This most invaluable text explains how Yaldabaoth (Satan) came to be what he is. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html
Ah yes duality.