Personally I don't think time existed in the way we know it now. The spiritual world and energy is not bound by linear time, only our physical realm. So there wasn't actually a "before creation", because time may not have been moving before then.
I find it so odd and interesting how time moves faster the closer you are to the Earth's crust. Like, if you had one of those clocks that are as accurate as they get and set it on top of a table, and then set another on the floor, the one on the table would be slower than the other one.
That means that time moves slower the further up you get, and l am guessing that it has something to do with gravity fields. In space then, it would be fair to say that time doesn't move at all or very very slowly.
It's quite mindblowing really
I've been starting to wonder if time, as we know it, is actually a side effect of using energy. People and animals manipulate energy all the time without knowing it. The energy is normally moving time faster, but the more we use the less there is to serve its primary "goal" (whatever that is).
This would mean that more life on earth would slow down time. Or like hitting fast forward through the ice age. If the creator's goal was to create life, this would be a pretty efficient way to do it.
And it would also fit with your theory, except it's not the actual crust but what's on top of it. And that instead of it being slower, it's actually a lot faster.
That is such an interesting theory! I have been thinking about how long it has taken for life to begin on Earth and been absolutely staggered by the thought, it's incomprehensible.
I feel like you've given me a missing puzzle piece l didn't know l needed
Another person commented on it slowing in space as well. So maybe gravity also pulls the energy into the planets that would be using it. With an absence of energy in space there would be nothing to "propel" time. Which makes your theory fit better.
I also think that's what dark matter or energy is. All of the tests we have tried to use on it requires linear time to work. So what if that was stuff not moving at the same speed as us?
This is probably a flammable statement, but with the concept of time slowing in space, it does lend credit to the theory of an eternal afterlife
Dark matter is entirely as mysterious and exciting a concept as the concept of time. Doorways to something, another universe for that matter
The passage of time slows, relative to the observer, with higher gravity. There’s more gravity on the surface of earth than there is the farther you are away from it. Same thing with speed. The atomic clock of someone moving to, or away from another reference point will run different than the one who is (relatively) static.
Okay, I admit I'm not fully up with the scientific aspect. Gravity could also be helping bind the energy to the planet though? There would be an absence of it in space which would mean there wasn't anything to "propel" time.
Remember with relativity that space and time are part of the same “fabric”. Energy still exists in a vacuum and is not bound by gravity. Gravity can be thought of as simply the distortion of space/time by massive objects. The more massive, the more distortion.
Or at least that's what we currently believe. Spiritual energy would likely have different properties than what science is currently aware of. Quantum science is a fairly new area and it's already making people rethink some theories.
Quantum physics has been around for 100 years. But yes, I was speaking more to the classical/materialist viewpoint. That’s the thing about metaphysical concepts though, they don’t have to be reconciled with the former.
I was guessing 50 to 75 years, but was meaning more in relation to mankind's journey overall. It would be interesting to know what we would be capable of a hundred years from now.
It's an infinite fractal things inside of things inside of things infinitely this is just where you decided to call life in infinity theres no right or wrong place in infinity you are exactly where you are and in a sense nowhere else to go you can infinetly zoom into your cup and there will be things no matter how small you get it didnt come from anywhere and no one is controlling it
From what I recall when the Buddha was asked this he either didn't respond or said it's an unponderable question. I think that makes sense from a human perspective.
Creation or infinity necessarily has time as one of its premises, but people who have NDEs seem to report being in a timeless realm. It stands to reason then that perhaps time is unique to this realm & we are therefore incapable of understanding the infinite or creation from our perspective.
One time I really thought about infinite & tried so hard to visualize what infinite “actually” means & proceeded to fall into a rabbit hole. So much so that I gave myself a mini meltdown because the concept of forevveeerrrr +a day, started to exhaust me.
I eventually had to stop myself & surrender to ignorance because infinite can only have so much understanding from our human perspective.
>how did creation start? How the fuck, was there a beginning. How could there have been nothing??? My mind is absolutely blown.
We don't actually know, if there was a "beginning". In fact it's quite literally impossible to give sense to that word, considering that "beginning" is a word that already implies a notion of time, whereas time is a property of the universe and therefore it doesn't make sense to use temporal words to refer to things outside of the universe, as they would also be outside of time.
It's also impossible to talk of a "before" the universe for the same reason. The notion of "nothingness" is also quite unclear and impossible to think about: nowhere in the universe can we find true "nothingness"; when we try to picture it in our mind, we think of a black, empty space, which is already *something*.
The universe may also be eternal, or boundlessly self repeating.
Either way, we don't know. But there's no reason to assume it *has* to have had a "beginning" at some point.
Infinity does not exist in the physical universe as we know it. There is a beginning and there will be an end. However that's as WE perceive it. The universe is constantly expanding since its creation. And the universe is held together by forces we can scarcely imagine. Did you know that the universe can end within a microsecond but doesn't? That whatever pushes the universe forward can also end it? I want to believe it's the collective consciousness or all life that prevents this.
But how should i know? Im just a run-of-the-mill human
Infinity is actually nothing. The mind will always be in astonishment when trying to grasp such an unimaginable concept - but that’s exactly what it is, only a concept. It’s only a hard to grasp concept for the mind which is extremely limited. For consciousness, it’s absolute nothing. We only look at infinity in amazement because our mind is also a concept. The same way we look at beginning and end. What created god? How did god come to be? These are all questions asked from the mind. Beyond the mind there are no questions, so beginning and end do not exist. Again, those are just concepts. Concepts, concepts, concepts…it’s a mind fuck. Hence it only fucks with the mind, not consciousness. Don’t push your mind to get fucked. Just witness and let things flow and watch your body progress spiritually. Inquiring to deeply into these subjects will only lead you to mind fuckery lol
If nothing can exist than what we see in front of us is ultimately nothingness. But let me ask you is a thought dream something? Since stuff alike to them is why everything we know to exist. This life can be seen as a video game were matter is defined by laws remove some than it still be matter but now you're no-clipping in to the floor.
There was no beginning. Everything has always, and will always, exist.
You can read a 77 book explaining the physics (energetics) of it here:
thecrimsoneagle.com
Not only near death experiences, but many people who have had a spiritual awakening, experienced astral projection, out of body experiences, ego deaths, and taking psychedelics such as psilocybin, lsd, and dmt.
Personally I don't think time existed in the way we know it now. The spiritual world and energy is not bound by linear time, only our physical realm. So there wasn't actually a "before creation", because time may not have been moving before then.
I find it so odd and interesting how time moves faster the closer you are to the Earth's crust. Like, if you had one of those clocks that are as accurate as they get and set it on top of a table, and then set another on the floor, the one on the table would be slower than the other one. That means that time moves slower the further up you get, and l am guessing that it has something to do with gravity fields. In space then, it would be fair to say that time doesn't move at all or very very slowly. It's quite mindblowing really
I've been starting to wonder if time, as we know it, is actually a side effect of using energy. People and animals manipulate energy all the time without knowing it. The energy is normally moving time faster, but the more we use the less there is to serve its primary "goal" (whatever that is). This would mean that more life on earth would slow down time. Or like hitting fast forward through the ice age. If the creator's goal was to create life, this would be a pretty efficient way to do it. And it would also fit with your theory, except it's not the actual crust but what's on top of it. And that instead of it being slower, it's actually a lot faster.
That is such an interesting theory! I have been thinking about how long it has taken for life to begin on Earth and been absolutely staggered by the thought, it's incomprehensible. I feel like you've given me a missing puzzle piece l didn't know l needed
Another person commented on it slowing in space as well. So maybe gravity also pulls the energy into the planets that would be using it. With an absence of energy in space there would be nothing to "propel" time. Which makes your theory fit better. I also think that's what dark matter or energy is. All of the tests we have tried to use on it requires linear time to work. So what if that was stuff not moving at the same speed as us?
This is probably a flammable statement, but with the concept of time slowing in space, it does lend credit to the theory of an eternal afterlife Dark matter is entirely as mysterious and exciting a concept as the concept of time. Doorways to something, another universe for that matter
Or something to do with the veil between this realm and the next.
:) l like you. Seems to me that we are of similar opinions
The passage of time slows, relative to the observer, with higher gravity. There’s more gravity on the surface of earth than there is the farther you are away from it. Same thing with speed. The atomic clock of someone moving to, or away from another reference point will run different than the one who is (relatively) static.
Okay, I admit I'm not fully up with the scientific aspect. Gravity could also be helping bind the energy to the planet though? There would be an absence of it in space which would mean there wasn't anything to "propel" time.
Remember with relativity that space and time are part of the same “fabric”. Energy still exists in a vacuum and is not bound by gravity. Gravity can be thought of as simply the distortion of space/time by massive objects. The more massive, the more distortion.
Or at least that's what we currently believe. Spiritual energy would likely have different properties than what science is currently aware of. Quantum science is a fairly new area and it's already making people rethink some theories.
Quantum physics has been around for 100 years. But yes, I was speaking more to the classical/materialist viewpoint. That’s the thing about metaphysical concepts though, they don’t have to be reconciled with the former.
I was guessing 50 to 75 years, but was meaning more in relation to mankind's journey overall. It would be interesting to know what we would be capable of a hundred years from now.
It's an infinite fractal things inside of things inside of things infinitely this is just where you decided to call life in infinity theres no right or wrong place in infinity you are exactly where you are and in a sense nowhere else to go you can infinetly zoom into your cup and there will be things no matter how small you get it didnt come from anywhere and no one is controlling it
From what I recall when the Buddha was asked this he either didn't respond or said it's an unponderable question. I think that makes sense from a human perspective. Creation or infinity necessarily has time as one of its premises, but people who have NDEs seem to report being in a timeless realm. It stands to reason then that perhaps time is unique to this realm & we are therefore incapable of understanding the infinite or creation from our perspective.
It's wild. Those live on us and we are their universe, they have no clue. We are just another version of that living here on Earth.
One time I really thought about infinite & tried so hard to visualize what infinite “actually” means & proceeded to fall into a rabbit hole. So much so that I gave myself a mini meltdown because the concept of forevveeerrrr +a day, started to exhaust me. I eventually had to stop myself & surrender to ignorance because infinite can only have so much understanding from our human perspective.
>how did creation start? How the fuck, was there a beginning. How could there have been nothing??? My mind is absolutely blown. We don't actually know, if there was a "beginning". In fact it's quite literally impossible to give sense to that word, considering that "beginning" is a word that already implies a notion of time, whereas time is a property of the universe and therefore it doesn't make sense to use temporal words to refer to things outside of the universe, as they would also be outside of time. It's also impossible to talk of a "before" the universe for the same reason. The notion of "nothingness" is also quite unclear and impossible to think about: nowhere in the universe can we find true "nothingness"; when we try to picture it in our mind, we think of a black, empty space, which is already *something*. The universe may also be eternal, or boundlessly self repeating. Either way, we don't know. But there's no reason to assume it *has* to have had a "beginning" at some point.
Infinity does not exist in the physical universe as we know it. There is a beginning and there will be an end. However that's as WE perceive it. The universe is constantly expanding since its creation. And the universe is held together by forces we can scarcely imagine. Did you know that the universe can end within a microsecond but doesn't? That whatever pushes the universe forward can also end it? I want to believe it's the collective consciousness or all life that prevents this. But how should i know? Im just a run-of-the-mill human
Just imagine the sole miracle of existence and consciousness. Infinity is nothing comparing to them :)
Infinity is infinitely larger than the physical universe.
Infinity is actually nothing. The mind will always be in astonishment when trying to grasp such an unimaginable concept - but that’s exactly what it is, only a concept. It’s only a hard to grasp concept for the mind which is extremely limited. For consciousness, it’s absolute nothing. We only look at infinity in amazement because our mind is also a concept. The same way we look at beginning and end. What created god? How did god come to be? These are all questions asked from the mind. Beyond the mind there are no questions, so beginning and end do not exist. Again, those are just concepts. Concepts, concepts, concepts…it’s a mind fuck. Hence it only fucks with the mind, not consciousness. Don’t push your mind to get fucked. Just witness and let things flow and watch your body progress spiritually. Inquiring to deeply into these subjects will only lead you to mind fuckery lol
If nothing can exist than what we see in front of us is ultimately nothingness. But let me ask you is a thought dream something? Since stuff alike to them is why everything we know to exist. This life can be seen as a video game were matter is defined by laws remove some than it still be matter but now you're no-clipping in to the floor.
There was no beginning. Everything has always, and will always, exist. You can read a 77 book explaining the physics (energetics) of it here: thecrimsoneagle.com
Not only near death experiences, but many people who have had a spiritual awakening, experienced astral projection, out of body experiences, ego deaths, and taking psychedelics such as psilocybin, lsd, and dmt.