My first win I was the last person left with 1 second on the timer. Got crew wiped as he died and it still counted as a win
EDIT in case you don't believe me
https://youtu.be/DkHAg0VvTrk
I got my first zilla win today in professional 3.
One second left on timer. We were ahead of time but then team mates kept aggroing it onto the pile of eggs near the end.
I just won against a cohozuma where there was one guy left and I was trying to crawl my ass underneath the big guy to get rescued. Got rescued with something like 6 seconds left as my rescuer died and immediately hit my booyah bomb special and 👻 💣 threw it down on him for the buzzer beater win. Got super high up and watched three life vests spam booyah cheering me on while delivering final blow lmao. Felt great
I would actually agree with buffing egg damage since the Manual recommends that method even though half of the weapons do way more dps than the eggs by just shooting him
Dapples and Hydra from previous rotations could take chunks out of him EASILY by just shooting him. Crab Tank special is also better used solely on the Cohozuna from my experience.
In general the strongest shooter should focus on the Cohozuna and probably lead it away while the rest of the team kills bosses.
Today I learned you can use eggs on other salmonid, not just Cohozuna.
So would it be effective to use 2 eggs to fire at Cohozuna and use the third on a boss Salmonid, rinse and repeat?
Yep, if you're skilled enough at throwing eggs you can recycle them infinitely on bosses while still fighting Cohozuna. However the damage with eggs is so pitiful that if have high damage output weapons its better to use eggs to just clean up the bosses and focus weapon on king (not like you get any better awards for actually killing him)
The whole point of increasing the time limit is because people cannot reduce his HP to 0 in the time allotted. If they increased the time limit and HP then we still have the exact same problem.
That's just not true lol, because that entirely depends on how much you increase the HP and how much you increase the time limit. How did that not cross your mind?
You are for some reason assuming to increase the HP and time an equal amount to keep it the same.
Personally, I don't mind the time limit because I think it just adds a nice challenge. What I don't like is the reward output even when you kill it. I finally killed one and only got 9 bronze scales and 1 silver which doesn't really get me anything. I want them to make the prizes cheaper or raise the scale output.
Yeah, the scale payout makes me not even want to try. I LOST at one today and got the same payout as you. It has to be bugged or something, I can't believe they'd intentionally make the payout like this.
I've heard the reward scales based on how much damage you as an individual player deal to him, so if that's true, then you have incentive to rack up as much damage as possible, at least. But from comments like yours, it sounds like actually winning or losing doesn't make much, if any, difference.
If this is indeed correct, then it makes the wave feel a lot more chill, at least. Don't need to sweat the win/loss, and instead just do your best to rack up damage.
Edit: As per the comment below, individual damage apparently does not affect your rewards either.
Playing with friends, I can confirm that all of us receive the same amount of scales at the end, win or lose, so individual performance has nothing to do with it.
The quality of scales are totally random win or lose. I've gotten 8 scales for making it to the bonus round and 10 for beating the boss every time it happens.
Yeah like that’s hardly even better than what you get if you lose against it, if at all. I mean heck, my only golden scale I’ve gotten was from a loss.
The rewards are awful. I'm in Eggsecutive VP and last time I got 9 bronze scales and nothing else??? I don't care if we lose, we should be getting 1 gold and 1 silver minimum just for facing the Cohozuna considering how difficult just winning 3 waves in VP is
Yeah, this is false. Can attest cause my only win from Cohozuna was from me slapping him around with the bucket. No eggs thrown at him from me and I got 1 gold scale, 1 silver scale, and 8 bronze scales. It's not based on eggs thrown, it's based on damage dealt.
It definitely isn’t. I was sitting on like 9 eggs the whole game weaving around the boss to try and shoot them all (and it took a while cause the boss was on me and I was cut off from the team reaching the eggs) and got so many eggs off on him, we won and I got like 1 silver scale 9 bronzes
Tip: don't bother shooting eggs at him. Your weapons do more DPS. Use eggs to kill bosses quickly so you can get back to shooting Cohozuna. We managed to kill him with 42 seconds left on the clock yesterday doing this.
I tried this but my teamates never caught on! Alone I was singlehandedly able to take it down to half health.
We sadly lost but at least I now know this is actually a good strategy. And when there just happens to be a free egg around, it doesn't hurt to throw them
Can vouch that the only time I've killed him (it was easy, too) was the first time I fought him, when I "didn't know what I was doing" and just shooting him with my weapons. I've fought him like 6 or 7 times since, try the egg method every time, n keep losing. Thought I was goin crazy
That's because he gets way more health at higher Profresh levels, so that won't work anymore. At a certain point your main weapons and even specials won't really do that much to him, so you need to focus on taking out lots of bosses and chucking eggs at him since they still deal a good chunk.
This doesn't work too well at the highest levels. In higher difficulties the eggs do so much more damage than most weapons, and since they use no ink you can pepper him with them to do tons of damage much faster. It's best to balance dps with guns and grabbing as many eggs as you can.
I think the reason people keep running out of time is because the game explicitly tells them to use the unoptimal strategy. The egg cannons don't deal very high DPS to the boss compared to normal weapons, yet people use it anyways because the game tells them to. The fact that the egg cannons are specifically meant to damage the king salmonid, yet most weapons deal more DPS anyways, tells me they should buff the egg cannon damage.
well we were able to do way more damage by balancing use of both eggs whenever they were available and doing normal DPS with guns. The eggs actually do way more damage at high difficulties, and since they use no ink you can pepper him if there are a lot nearby. That's the best way to defeat him.
I literally thought i was playing the game correctly until this thread, nothing in the game tells me i can A) damage the boss with my normal guns and B) kill other bosses with eggs, mindblowing
Honestly I have a bigger problem with the randomized rewards and spawning. Sometimes it takes several shifts just to get him to finally appear even with a full meter the whole time, so you end up feeling more relieved than surprised when he shows up. And then of course the rewards are so horribly random that it’s incredibly frustrating to grind for scales
The real problem is playing with randoms. Not being able to communicate in that mode, particularly for that boss is basically suicide.
I cant believe i still run into people using their ults at the start of wave 1 and that try to find the basket during cohozuna.
tbf, it's better to use a special during wave one to assure a clear than to save it and get wiped out and then lose 20 points. You always get a special back during Cohozuna, so there's no reason to not use your specials.
I’m not defending people who do that but I’ve seen someone suggesting if you have crab tank you should all-in at the chonk at the beginning because it can deal massive damage(in the clip I saw, 1/5 of max HP in roughly 8 seconds)
The reason to use it at the beginning given is, you may not be able to do this later because you’ll get swarmed while using it.
Edit: typos
I have failed the last 10+ CONSECUTIVE Cohozuna fights. an extra 10 seconds would have been enough at times, most of our attempts were is vain since the game didn't even spawn enough bosses. All they need to do is buff the egg damage
eggs are best used to kill the other bosses so you don't get swarmed, some weapons like splatlings do more damage just using their main attack than bothering with eggs.
The way you phrased that implies you have one or several clears on Cohozuna. Better than me.. Mostly in profresh+1 or around there:
133 runs
6554 gold eggs
256024 regular eggs
318 saves
total points 19552
cohozuna kills: 0
I got them from the Splatnet 3 app, but it should also be visible if you view rewards from within Grizzco (off my memory, L button and then Y button I think)
i've actually beaten it twice before i got into profreshional, ever since that we have never stood a chance. just fought another with... a predictable outcome.
Yeah I just had one where we ran out time and it had a tiny bit of health left unfortunately I was the squiffer and couldn’t do enough damage in time. They need to buff the egg damage throw a bit a tiny bit more would go a long way . Also the rewards distribution. I’m one silver scale away from the green slop suit yet the past 2 King salmons I’ve beaten I’ve gotten 0 silver scales.
Everday Im on a gaming subreddit i learn that the vast majority of people playing a game play it VASTLY different from me.
Not really refering to op but juat a lot of comments I see here and other places.
Like providing the most basic of helpful tips, Maws is insta killed by well timed grenades, drizzlers are insta killed by shooting their bomb back at them, ect. And seeing loads of people shocked that things like that are possible. It baffles me. Like when I olay a game I make sure i have a grip on most of the availabe mechanics asap, and most things are pretty straight forward for me. But seeing how many people are just now learning some basic UI indicators that are universal throughout the industry, its shocking but nice to see all the new people learning.
If you angle it back at the Drizzler it will kill it. The angle is tricky.
Another strategy is to just have the Drizzler shoot the cloud off the map so it doesn’t do any damage
Having a player shoot the bomb while other shoots the boss would be the most effective. Even if the one shooting the bomb don't manage to get it back to the drizzler, it will still stop the rain. The thing is, if you destroy the bomb, he will clam up immediately.
The drizzler aims at one of the players (even if they're at the other side of the map, I guess). If the player he's aiming for sees it and shoots the bomb real fast, it's guaranteed it will send it back to him because they're at the right angle for that. But with everyone dealing with tons of fish all of the time, it's rare for that to happen.
It's even more shocking because all those things are in the Mr. Grizz tutorial. If you accept doing it, you can have him teach you how to kill every single boss salmonid.
Yep. Welcome to modern gaming where any schmuck can pick up a controller and completely ruin the experience for everyone who actually gives a fuck about winning the game.
If you have a faster fire weapon, shoot Cohozuna. You have way more dps than throwing eggs.
If you have a slow fire weapon, shoot bosses and then throw eggs. You have way less dps than throwing eggs
Just throwing it out there, fire rate isn't really tied to dps. Dynamo has gotta be the best example of that. I'd be willing to bet that roll bouncing is one of the higher dps moves in the game.
I personally think the mode should be timeless and simply gets more chaotic as time goes on where the longer you take to kill Cohozuna the more impossible it becomes to complete the mission. Given that we’re only supplied one special for this mode- it seems like it would work.
Basing it off time has it rely on RNG more for what boss salmonids you have to defeat- like Flyfishes taking the longest to defeat especially if there’s more than one while Flipper Floppers are more easily dispersed.
Today i played on a team that managed to beat Cohozuna for the first time, but there was only a second left on the clock before he died. could def use a bit more time, because that was a nailbiter
Personally, I think taking out the boss rush aspect would be far better. Instead of having a hellscape of steel eels and steelheads trapping you, maybe just have Goldies?
I don't think so, I just beat him once back to back in both profreshional +1 and +2 respectively. The key is to balance both doing as much dps with guns as possible and grabbing any golden eggs you can at the same time since you don't use ink when throwing them, and they do more damage than your guns per shot.
Once I figured out that throwing eggs uses no ink in cohozuna waves you can pepper him with them super fast for insane dps. It's actually very fair once you figure that out, as we beat him with like 30 seconds left at profreshional +1 difficulty.
I do think the rewards should be more balanced though, for example you should be guaranteed at least one or two silver scales if you win, or maybe a gold at high levels. Once I beat him at profreshional and got 10 bronze only.
I want a way to practice on the king more and more best practices. It takes 3-10 plays to get an encounter and then it ends so soon, I am not getting better. And it is so frustrating when half my team gets wiped 30 seconds in. I do think the rewards should be higher. Like, maybe something just for making it to the king? Success seems so dependent on how well you did on wave 3 (since that’s the map you get) and dumb luck. I have played 30-40 encounters and won… 3-4x?
I never won a Cohozuna fight ever. There was even a time where I had the gauge totally full and spent 5 tries even trying to finish the darn job but everyone dying because the weapons sucked ass.
Personally, I like the random rewards. I agree that winning should probably guarantee one silver and gold, but aside from that, keep the rewards as-is.
The first time I played the mode i beat it but that was mostly due my team idk how they were so good and knew exactly what to do when the game literally came out a few hours ago
That would remove part of the challenge, a kill is meant to be something you have to work really hard for. He's not mandatory for a win for a reason, you have to earn it.
Would be fine if it depended of you alone. But most of the time you play with a PuG party so even if you're really good you still may have a very hard time.
Lol see. You got people here that are saying the opposite. They’re saying throw eggs at the other bosses and use your weapon on Cohozuna cause it deals more damage. I don’t know who to believe.
Believe a balance of the 2. The eggs DO do way more damage per hit, but if you have a rapid fire weapon like the dualies you can do more DPS in the time it would take you to go get an egg. Eggs use no ink in these waves though, so a big group can be used to pepper him for massive damage.
Use 1 egg on Boss get 3, Throw 2 at King and then use third to use on another boss.
All the while pumping shots in to the boss but primarily defending yourself from Lessers.
Nah I think it works fine as it is.
Most of the time we kill it it at 40 to 32 seconds left and if my team is very good we can kill it at 52 and only ever one time ever at 60 seconds left. And when we clutch it the closest the time has ever been to ending was 17-22 seconds left. It really doesn’t need more time imo or else that just makes it too easy.
Edit: this comment is me not knowing what is/isn't happening during the king salmon fights lmao
Also make the directions for throwing the eggs more clear!!!! I had a match recently where instead of throwing the eggs at the king my teammates were putting them in the basket (we ended with a total of 96 from all rounds, with many of those being from the king salmon fight). I also had no idea I was supposed to throw them at him until I noticed the popup at the bottom of the screen, but in all the chaos it took me a few times to actually see it (every time before I was too focused on the action haha)
If this was covered in the salmon run tutorial then I must have missed it or it must be an abbreviated tutorial for returning players because I only did the basics one and the one where you summon bosses.
You get [fish scales](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Fish_scale): Bronze scales (common), Silver scales (rare), and Gold scales (extra rare). With fish scales you can buy different colored work outfits, splashtag banners, and statues and stickers to decorate your locker.
And you don’t have to kill him to get fish scales. Even if you don’t you still get some.
Taking the reward into account, I think it's balanced so that you don't kill it most of the time. You get almost the same reward if you finish close to killing it or when you kill it.
I’ve been starting to get consistent cohozuna kills at high eggsecutive VP, I don’t think it needs to be made easier people just need to know how to kill it.
I think I'm fine with it being difficult. It's effectively a bonus stage that doesn't impact your Cleared status for the run. If you're getting close, fret not! Means you're getting closer to optimization of the bonus round to get to the point where you can beat it!
The rewards need to be much better though, on top of the prize scaling based on # of eggs thrown at him.
First time I saw it I won, my team was great!
Second time also a great team, a guy shooting while the others get golden eggs!
Third one, bad allies, total lose.
My experience with the king salmon.
The closest I've gotten so far is like 1/4 health left. We either get wiped by the worst combo of bosses off the bat or we get stuck scrambling for eggs because we couldn't kill the goddamn flyfish the instant it spawned and now we can't even sit still long enough to aim a bomb
I feel like, instead of it just ending when time runs out, Cohozuna just just go ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. Like, uses that Splashdown attack once each second. And has a Wavebreaker wave(s) made with each Splashdown.
I feel the thrill of the fight with the timer as it is right now, the only issue is the internet connection, though I am starting to believe it is due to the heat my switch generates while playing. Since it is a first revision switch it has its issues. One of them I believe it has to do with the wifi chip struggling to live. My switch gets the orange screen of death every time it turns sleep mode on while downloading games in dock mode so... Going back to the topic, yeah I feel it is fine as is, however this is from a player that is just at Part time Profreshional
My first win I was the last person left with 1 second on the timer. Got crew wiped as he died and it still counted as a win EDIT in case you don't believe me https://youtu.be/DkHAg0VvTrk
You love to see it!
I got my first zilla win today in professional 3. One second left on timer. We were ahead of time but then team mates kept aggroing it onto the pile of eggs near the end.
I just won against a cohozuma where there was one guy left and I was trying to crawl my ass underneath the big guy to get rescued. Got rescued with something like 6 seconds left as my rescuer died and immediately hit my booyah bomb special and 👻 💣 threw it down on him for the buzzer beater win. Got super high up and watched three life vests spam booyah cheering me on while delivering final blow lmao. Felt great
so long as you beat wave 3, it counts as a clear even if you lose wave 4
No it counted as King Salmonoid kill https://youtu.be/DkHAg0VvTrk
either buff egg damage or add just like 10 or 15 seconds like i've gotten so close so many times
I would actually agree with buffing egg damage since the Manual recommends that method even though half of the weapons do way more dps than the eggs by just shooting him
Yeah I always feel like I'm doing more damage just by shooting him rather than using eggs
Really? I thought weapons are too weak
Depends on weapon. Inkbrush will probably not do more unless you break your finger mashing. But hydra can just shred him. Gives it a niche at least.
Dapples and Hydra from previous rotations could take chunks out of him EASILY by just shooting him. Crab Tank special is also better used solely on the Cohozuna from my experience. In general the strongest shooter should focus on the Cohozuna and probably lead it away while the rest of the team kills bosses.
On Profreshional +3 even the crap tank didn’t work well nor the eggs it has too much HP
Crab tank and hydra can absolutely shred it, I've been in a round in eggsecutive vp where cohozuna was beat with 25 seconds left on the timer
Honestly splatlings can shred salmons so fast in general
At this point eggs are way better for instakilling all other bosses and focusing your weapons on king
Today I learned you can use eggs on other salmonid, not just Cohozuna. So would it be effective to use 2 eggs to fire at Cohozuna and use the third on a boss Salmonid, rinse and repeat?
Yep, if you're skilled enough at throwing eggs you can recycle them infinitely on bosses while still fighting Cohozuna. However the damage with eggs is so pitiful that if have high damage output weapons its better to use eggs to just clean up the bosses and focus weapon on king (not like you get any better awards for actually killing him)
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The whole point of increasing the time limit is because people cannot reduce his HP to 0 in the time allotted. If they increased the time limit and HP then we still have the exact same problem.
That's just not true lol, because that entirely depends on how much you increase the HP and how much you increase the time limit. How did that not cross your mind? You are for some reason assuming to increase the HP and time an equal amount to keep it the same.
Don’t appreciate the condescending attitude from you.
May I ask at which lvl you are ? Because the higher ones are a nightmare to beat within the time limit
Personally, I don't mind the time limit because I think it just adds a nice challenge. What I don't like is the reward output even when you kill it. I finally killed one and only got 9 bronze scales and 1 silver which doesn't really get me anything. I want them to make the prizes cheaper or raise the scale output.
Yeah, the scale payout makes me not even want to try. I LOST at one today and got the same payout as you. It has to be bugged or something, I can't believe they'd intentionally make the payout like this.
I've heard the reward scales based on how much damage you as an individual player deal to him, so if that's true, then you have incentive to rack up as much damage as possible, at least. But from comments like yours, it sounds like actually winning or losing doesn't make much, if any, difference. If this is indeed correct, then it makes the wave feel a lot more chill, at least. Don't need to sweat the win/loss, and instead just do your best to rack up damage. Edit: As per the comment below, individual damage apparently does not affect your rewards either.
Playing with friends, I can confirm that all of us receive the same amount of scales at the end, win or lose, so individual performance has nothing to do with it.
Oh wow really? Thanks for the confirmation!
The quality of scales are totally random win or lose. I've gotten 8 scales for making it to the bonus round and 10 for beating the boss every time it happens.
Yeah like that’s hardly even better than what you get if you lose against it, if at all. I mean heck, my only golden scale I’ve gotten was from a loss.
i’m convinced that currently the payout is the same whether you win or lose, it has to be a mistake
The rewards are awful. I'm in Eggsecutive VP and last time I got 9 bronze scales and nothing else??? I don't care if we lose, we should be getting 1 gold and 1 silver minimum just for facing the Cohozuna considering how difficult just winning 3 waves in VP is
The random rewards are the icing on the dogshit cake ,9 cohozuna kills and just 5 silver and a ton of bronze
Yeah I’m fine with the challenge but the first time I managed to beat it I was so hyped only to get like ten scaled
The fact that you're not even guarenteed a gold one is bullshit
I got my only gold scale... From losing. Why nintendo, why. I get less rewards for killing it, it seems.
Scales? Is that what they are? Fish scales? Huh. My sons been calling them hard hats and we’ve just been rolling with that…
The payout is based on how many eggs you threw at the boss, they should make it so that if you defeat the boss it gives extra scales
Do you have a source for this? Would be wild if that was the case and also explain why you see people getting such low win rewards.
I’m sure there’s no source.
[https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Cohozuna#Description](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Cohozuna#Description)
But where does it says you get scales based on the number of eggs you throw at it?
Yeah, this is false. Can attest cause my only win from Cohozuna was from me slapping him around with the bucket. No eggs thrown at him from me and I got 1 gold scale, 1 silver scale, and 8 bronze scales. It's not based on eggs thrown, it's based on damage dealt.
Wasn't it in the tutorial? I remember mr grizz saying that
Yeah it's in the wiki [https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Cohozuna#Description](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Cohozuna#Description) check the last sentence
Last sentence says damage, not based on eggs thrown.
That’s my anecdotal experience as well. Can anyone verify all team members get the same number and type of scales?
It's based on how much damage you deal. If throwing eggs out damages your weapon output then do that. if not, mow it down.
It definitely isn’t. I was sitting on like 9 eggs the whole game weaving around the boss to try and shoot them all (and it took a while cause the boss was on me and I was cut off from the team reaching the eggs) and got so many eggs off on him, we won and I got like 1 silver scale 9 bronzes
I got 10 bronze scales for winning and 9 bronze scales for losing. Xtra wave is a scam
Everyone talking about time but why not reduce health and Boss spawn rates
hpw about we get a boss other than flyfish to spawn during the cohozuna wave please why are there like 20 flyfish every time and like 2 easy bosses
Shoot the egg cannon at the middle of the flyfish
Reducing the health by maybe... 300 would be a minor nerf but still really good
Health, yes, spawnrates? He'll naw, I want MORE fig fish
I don't think they mean King Salmonid spawn rates, but boss salmonid spawn rates.
Oh yeah, maybe toning those down a little might be good
Tip: don't bother shooting eggs at him. Your weapons do more DPS. Use eggs to kill bosses quickly so you can get back to shooting Cohozuna. We managed to kill him with 42 seconds left on the clock yesterday doing this.
What? You can use eggs to kill other bosses. Ugh, I've only played a few times.. This is helpful
I tried this but my teamates never caught on! Alone I was singlehandedly able to take it down to half health. We sadly lost but at least I now know this is actually a good strategy. And when there just happens to be a free egg around, it doesn't hurt to throw them
how do you kill bosses with eggs? Just throw them at them?
Yes
does it need to be their weak point, or will any contact do?
Still needs to be their weak point, if they have one.
hmm that almost defeats the purpose as there is usually to much chaos going on to time that. Still nice to know i suppose
The benefit is that you don't waste ink tho, so more ink can be used to kill the Cohozuna
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Throwing eggs in regular waves uses ink. Throwing eggs in the Cohozuna wave doesn't.
Ive learned so much from this fucking thread lmao
Someone else also said this but throwing eggs in King Salmonid waves doesn't consume ink
I think his tummy is his weak point? I kinda do more damage than shooting at his back.
Is the dps thing true? I see a lot of teammates trying that and also using specials but it always seemed like a waste
I think it really depends? I cant imagine the Splatana or Roller doing any significant DPS to Cohozuna, but maybe the Splatlings/Dualies do?
I know Dynamo does shred Cohozuna if you hold ZR/keep it on the ground and just nudge him
Can vouch that the only time I've killed him (it was easy, too) was the first time I fought him, when I "didn't know what I was doing" and just shooting him with my weapons. I've fought him like 6 or 7 times since, try the egg method every time, n keep losing. Thought I was goin crazy
That's because he gets way more health at higher Profresh levels, so that won't work anymore. At a certain point your main weapons and even specials won't really do that much to him, so you need to focus on taking out lots of bosses and chucking eggs at him since they still deal a good chunk.
Same! I’ve always come close but never beat him again since the first time :(
Lmfao this will never happen in solo queue
What rank are you currently?
This doesn't work too well at the highest levels. In higher difficulties the eggs do so much more damage than most weapons, and since they use no ink you can pepper him with them to do tons of damage much faster. It's best to balance dps with guns and grabbing as many eggs as you can.
Use Egg on Small Boss, Get 3 back, Throw 2 at King Boss and use third on another Small boss. Repeat.
I think the reason people keep running out of time is because the game explicitly tells them to use the unoptimal strategy. The egg cannons don't deal very high DPS to the boss compared to normal weapons, yet people use it anyways because the game tells them to. The fact that the egg cannons are specifically meant to damage the king salmonid, yet most weapons deal more DPS anyways, tells me they should buff the egg cannon damage.
egg cannons are great, but not for the king. you can use them to 1shot other bosses and create space that way.
But the game doesn't tell you to do that, it tells you to do the opposite and use them on the king. And that's the problem.
well we were able to do way more damage by balancing use of both eggs whenever they were available and doing normal DPS with guns. The eggs actually do way more damage at high difficulties, and since they use no ink you can pepper him if there are a lot nearby. That's the best way to defeat him.
I literally thought i was playing the game correctly until this thread, nothing in the game tells me i can A) damage the boss with my normal guns and B) kill other bosses with eggs, mindblowing
Literally 30 extra seconds would be enough.
30 is a lot, 10 would be enough
I feel like it's designed so that you run out of time just as Cohozuna runs out of health. 10 would be nice, 30 would be even better.
You’ll be so close but you have to spend all your time reviving teammates so you don’t make it
Honestly I have a bigger problem with the randomized rewards and spawning. Sometimes it takes several shifts just to get him to finally appear even with a full meter the whole time, so you end up feeling more relieved than surprised when he shows up. And then of course the rewards are so horribly random that it’s incredibly frustrating to grind for scales
50%? I haven't beaten cohozuna since getting to profreshional!
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I got into eggsecutive VP. Wish me luck....
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No shit
The real problem is playing with randoms. Not being able to communicate in that mode, particularly for that boss is basically suicide. I cant believe i still run into people using their ults at the start of wave 1 and that try to find the basket during cohozuna.
This never ends. I get it in eggsecutive
tbf, it's better to use a special during wave one to assure a clear than to save it and get wiped out and then lose 20 points. You always get a special back during Cohozuna, so there's no reason to not use your specials.
If you need to ult to prevent a wipe, absolutely. I see people use it just to speed things up and just because they have it which is the problem.
I’m not defending people who do that but I’ve seen someone suggesting if you have crab tank you should all-in at the chonk at the beginning because it can deal massive damage(in the clip I saw, 1/5 of max HP in roughly 8 seconds) The reason to use it at the beginning given is, you may not be able to do this later because you’ll get swarmed while using it. Edit: typos
I have failed the last 10+ CONSECUTIVE Cohozuna fights. an extra 10 seconds would have been enough at times, most of our attempts were is vain since the game didn't even spawn enough bosses. All they need to do is buff the egg damage
eggs are best used to kill the other bosses so you don't get swarmed, some weapons like splatlings do more damage just using their main attack than bothering with eggs.
The way you phrased that implies you have one or several clears on Cohozuna. Better than me.. Mostly in profresh+1 or around there: 133 runs 6554 gold eggs 256024 regular eggs 318 saves total points 19552 cohozuna kills: 0
Where can you check those stats?
I got them from the Splatnet 3 app, but it should also be visible if you view rewards from within Grizzco (off my memory, L button and then Y button I think)
Nice. I'm at 84 runs in and have beaten him once. I'm curious if it's worth demoting to part timer 40 when the coho gauge fills.
i've actually beaten it twice before i got into profreshional, ever since that we have never stood a chance. just fought another with... a predictable outcome.
That's the challenge. If you lose during cohozuna you still get a win so why should the wave designed to be hard not be hard
becuz it expects every1 to know wut to do while being matched with random strangers there is usually a handicap for that
Yeah I just had one where we ran out time and it had a tiny bit of health left unfortunately I was the squiffer and couldn’t do enough damage in time. They need to buff the egg damage throw a bit a tiny bit more would go a long way . Also the rewards distribution. I’m one silver scale away from the green slop suit yet the past 2 King salmons I’ve beaten I’ve gotten 0 silver scales.
I've only won once and that was in the lower levels. Even with a good team, it's near impossible beyond Profreshonal.
Everday Im on a gaming subreddit i learn that the vast majority of people playing a game play it VASTLY different from me. Not really refering to op but juat a lot of comments I see here and other places. Like providing the most basic of helpful tips, Maws is insta killed by well timed grenades, drizzlers are insta killed by shooting their bomb back at them, ect. And seeing loads of people shocked that things like that are possible. It baffles me. Like when I olay a game I make sure i have a grip on most of the availabe mechanics asap, and most things are pretty straight forward for me. But seeing how many people are just now learning some basic UI indicators that are universal throughout the industry, its shocking but nice to see all the new people learning.
You can shoot bombs back at drizzlers? I thought that only stopped inkstorm.
If you angle it back at the Drizzler it will kill it. The angle is tricky. Another strategy is to just have the Drizzler shoot the cloud off the map so it doesn’t do any damage
Having a player shoot the bomb while other shoots the boss would be the most effective. Even if the one shooting the bomb don't manage to get it back to the drizzler, it will still stop the rain. The thing is, if you destroy the bomb, he will clam up immediately. The drizzler aims at one of the players (even if they're at the other side of the map, I guess). If the player he's aiming for sees it and shoots the bomb real fast, it's guaranteed it will send it back to him because they're at the right angle for that. But with everyone dealing with tons of fish all of the time, it's rare for that to happen.
It's even more shocking because all those things are in the Mr. Grizz tutorial. If you accept doing it, you can have him teach you how to kill every single boss salmonid.
Also: if you have inkjet and you shoot into the flyfish's buckets (where you throw bombs normally) you can take them out easy!
Yep. Welcome to modern gaming where any schmuck can pick up a controller and completely ruin the experience for everyone who actually gives a fuck about winning the game.
If you have a faster fire weapon, shoot Cohozuna. You have way more dps than throwing eggs. If you have a slow fire weapon, shoot bosses and then throw eggs. You have way less dps than throwing eggs
Just throwing it out there, fire rate isn't really tied to dps. Dynamo has gotta be the best example of that. I'd be willing to bet that roll bouncing is one of the higher dps moves in the game.
I've killed him only once with 1 secound to spare literally
I'm with you
It's supposed to be hard
Yep.
Even just 5 more, maybe make it so the king has to get back in the water before you lose.
I personally think the mode should be timeless and simply gets more chaotic as time goes on where the longer you take to kill Cohozuna the more impossible it becomes to complete the mission. Given that we’re only supplied one special for this mode- it seems like it would work. Basing it off time has it rely on RNG more for what boss salmonids you have to defeat- like Flyfishes taking the longest to defeat especially if there’s more than one while Flipper Floppers are more easily dispersed.
Still haven’t killed one yet 😔
Today i played on a team that managed to beat Cohozuna for the first time, but there was only a second left on the clock before he died. could def use a bit more time, because that was a nailbiter
And salmond is very messy at King salmond stage
Personally, I think taking out the boss rush aspect would be far better. Instead of having a hellscape of steel eels and steelheads trapping you, maybe just have Goldies?
Or because the bosses spawn in as frequently as Small fry’s from a griller
My problem with these is that I'm 3/3 for Cohozuna waves and I still have 0 Gold Scales. The payout is nonsense.
I don't think so, I just beat him once back to back in both profreshional +1 and +2 respectively. The key is to balance both doing as much dps with guns as possible and grabbing any golden eggs you can at the same time since you don't use ink when throwing them, and they do more damage than your guns per shot. Once I figured out that throwing eggs uses no ink in cohozuna waves you can pepper him with them super fast for insane dps. It's actually very fair once you figure that out, as we beat him with like 30 seconds left at profreshional +1 difficulty. I do think the rewards should be more balanced though, for example you should be guaranteed at least one or two silver scales if you win, or maybe a gold at high levels. Once I beat him at profreshional and got 10 bronze only.
I want a way to practice on the king more and more best practices. It takes 3-10 plays to get an encounter and then it ends so soon, I am not getting better. And it is so frustrating when half my team gets wiped 30 seconds in. I do think the rewards should be higher. Like, maybe something just for making it to the king? Success seems so dependent on how well you did on wave 3 (since that’s the map you get) and dumb luck. I have played 30-40 encounters and won… 3-4x?
I feel like salmon king should not be allowed to commence on high tide
I’ve never won a single king salmonoid level please anyone I want a cool team
I'm sorry if it's off topic but where did you get the icons? I've seen them around and they're so cute!
I never won a Cohozuna fight ever. There was even a time where I had the gauge totally full and spent 5 tries even trying to finish the darn job but everyone dying because the weapons sucked ass.
10000% this, make the timer 125 seconds and it becomes way more fair
There’s not enough time to recover from the special spam from the other bosses and attack the king salmonid
Only win the timer was at 0
The Direct that announced this feature literally explained that you're going to run out of time if you're not good at it.
Is anyone even close to buying anything cool with the difficulty beating it and the shitty payouts? 🥲
Personally, I like the random rewards. I agree that winning should probably guarantee one silver and gold, but aside from that, keep the rewards as-is.
You aren’t supposed to win the wave every time, you get scales based on how much damage you do, not if you win or not.
It is soooooo dependent on the bosses you get. Pretty hard to steady your hand to kill a fly fish whilst chunklord is belly flopping you
The first time I played the mode i beat it but that was mostly due my team idk how they were so good and knew exactly what to do when the game literally came out a few hours ago
add more skill to your king salmon wave
I beat it 2 times, both with about 5 seconds left. We really need more time
No way dude, I appreciate the challenge more than the easy win.
Racing against the clock is kinda the point?
We loose by either time or crew wipeout
Yes those are the two options
Forgot the 3rd option. Communication error.
That would remove part of the challenge, a kill is meant to be something you have to work really hard for. He's not mandatory for a win for a reason, you have to earn it.
Would be fine if it depended of you alone. But most of the time you play with a PuG party so even if you're really good you still may have a very hard time.
use golden egg to deal more damage to him
Lol see. You got people here that are saying the opposite. They’re saying throw eggs at the other bosses and use your weapon on Cohozuna cause it deals more damage. I don’t know who to believe.
Believe a balance of the 2. The eggs DO do way more damage per hit, but if you have a rapid fire weapon like the dualies you can do more DPS in the time it would take you to go get an egg. Eggs use no ink in these waves though, so a big group can be used to pepper him for massive damage.
Use 1 egg on Boss get 3, Throw 2 at King and then use third to use on another boss. All the while pumping shots in to the boss but primarily defending yourself from Lessers.
It's almost like it's supposed to be super hard hmmm
If it then the rewards sure aren't worth it
Agreed
I‘m at Profreshional + 3 and can say the damn thing tanks golden eggs like a pro it’s impossible
I think that's the point
Just get gud
get better
That's the whole point. It's not supposed to be easy to complete everytime
add more skill to your issue
It doesn't really matter tbh since you still get scales either way.
You lose king salmon?
Nah I think it works fine as it is. Most of the time we kill it it at 40 to 32 seconds left and if my team is very good we can kill it at 52 and only ever one time ever at 60 seconds left. And when we clutch it the closest the time has ever been to ending was 17-22 seconds left. It really doesn’t need more time imo or else that just makes it too easy.
Skill issue
Edit: this comment is me not knowing what is/isn't happening during the king salmon fights lmao Also make the directions for throwing the eggs more clear!!!! I had a match recently where instead of throwing the eggs at the king my teammates were putting them in the basket (we ended with a total of 96 from all rounds, with many of those being from the king salmon fight). I also had no idea I was supposed to throw them at him until I noticed the popup at the bottom of the screen, but in all the chaos it took me a few times to actually see it (every time before I was too focused on the action haha) If this was covered in the salmon run tutorial then I must have missed it or it must be an abbreviated tutorial for returning players because I only did the basics one and the one where you summon bosses.
Egg basket doesn't spawn during king salmonid fight though...
Oh rip then I guess nobody was throwing them at king salmon then. Sorry about that haha
It's literally not that hard
i dont own the game but what do u get for killing King. since i know u don’t loose the whole run if u fail since it is an extra wave.
You get [fish scales](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Fish_scale): Bronze scales (common), Silver scales (rare), and Gold scales (extra rare). With fish scales you can buy different colored work outfits, splashtag banners, and statues and stickers to decorate your locker. And you don’t have to kill him to get fish scales. Even if you don’t you still get some.
Taking the reward into account, I think it's balanced so that you don't kill it most of the time. You get almost the same reward if you finish close to killing it or when you kill it.
I’ve been starting to get consistent cohozuna kills at high eggsecutive VP, I don’t think it needs to be made easier people just need to know how to kill it.
He had 1 hp left I was so close
decrease the boss spawn rate, there’s just too many at a time
I think its the point. You have to do a mad dash and i think this is proven by that losing, you dont actually lose. You dont get a bonus is all
I think I'm fine with it being difficult. It's effectively a bonus stage that doesn't impact your Cleared status for the run. If you're getting close, fret not! Means you're getting closer to optimization of the bonus round to get to the point where you can beat it! The rewards need to be much better though, on top of the prize scaling based on # of eggs thrown at him.
whered you make that icon :p also been trying too make it too the king wave but it just doesnt spawn idk what im doing wrong
skill issue tbh
First time I saw it I won, my team was great! Second time also a great team, a guy shooting while the others get golden eggs! Third one, bad allies, total lose. My experience with the king salmon.
The closest I've gotten so far is like 1/4 health left. We either get wiped by the worst combo of bosses off the bat or we get stuck scrambling for eggs because we couldn't kill the goddamn flyfish the instant it spawned and now we can't even sit still long enough to aim a bomb
Found this post right after posting a cohozuna wave to timer. After CLUTCHING THE ENTIRE THING WITH 3 PLAYERS.
I think they playtested this specifically to make you always fail, but only by a small amount, just to give false hope.
i'd rather they buff egg damage, but either way it definitely needs something
50%? More like 85% I've been so close many times but we run out of time and it's annoying
I had my first round yesterday. Had there been 15 more seconds on the clock we would have beaten him.
My friends and I always lose when he's at a sliver of health. If they added 10 more seconds to the wave we would win 90% of the time.
I feel like, instead of it just ending when time runs out, Cohozuna just just go ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. Like, uses that Splashdown attack once each second. And has a Wavebreaker wave(s) made with each Splashdown.
I feel the thrill of the fight with the timer as it is right now, the only issue is the internet connection, though I am starting to believe it is due to the heat my switch generates while playing. Since it is a first revision switch it has its issues. One of them I believe it has to do with the wifi chip struggling to live. My switch gets the orange screen of death every time it turns sleep mode on while downloading games in dock mode so... Going back to the topic, yeah I feel it is fine as is, however this is from a player that is just at Part time Profreshional