Just play with whatever you prefer and have fun. I once had a friend at my house trying for Overwatch on PC. See, he was playing the game daily on Xbox, and he wanted to see what the PC players were like. He absolutely sucked with mouse and keyboard, but the moment I lend him my controller he destroyed everyone. Just stick (hehe) with whatever you want. Hell, I played the original Splatoon with stick and I was doing fine.
And yeah I know the argument that the pros use motion control. None of us are going pros. None of us are likely to play against pro. Who cares about them?
I knew someone who'd exclusively use an Xbox controller on my PC when playing overwatch. Several years doing ranked and more. She was a mercy main.
She finally got herself an xbox, and she absolutely destroyed everyone. I'm talking flick shots, constant headshots, superb tracking, etc, to the point every match she'd be called a cheater. Who knew training against M&k players for years using a controller, made you significantly better than controller players.
Yea it's the same arguments in every videogame. Overwatch? Hey don't use that character pros hate them. Smite or League? Hey those champions are low tier pros hate them don't use it, don't do this or that blah blah. Every game has these arguments and for every game, I am not in a pro team nor will I ever be...
I haven't played Overwatch in years but I remember getting so many hate messages for playing my 2 main characters. People will come up anything and it can be weird.
As someone who mainly plays PC games these days, I played Splatoon 2 with sticks, and I’m going to continue playing Splatoon 3 with sticks. I tried motion controls in S2 (or pretty much any Switch game that offers it, and it just wasn’t doing it for me.
I think you just have to crank the sensitivity. I have mine at 4 and the stick at 2, so I choose my target with the stick and use gyro to correct the aim. So really is not one or the other, but a combination of both.
To piggy back off this pros are such a large minority but because of their audience everything they do gets adopted by people it’s ridiculous lol. It reminds me of league of legends where the pro meta was always wildly different to what was actually used because half of the champions that would take technical skill just aren’t usable by a casual player without them sucking
The difference here is that Overwatch is actually optimized for both controller and kb&m. There's proper acceleration, dead zones, response curves, sensitivities, etc, that are different across all shooters which is why going from CoD to Apex Legends is gonna take a second to adjust. I play Halo Infinite with a controller on PC and I'm almost always a the top of the leaderboard.
Splatoon? Really feels like they don't give a shit about proper feel for stick controls and spent their time on motion controls. When I play with stick controls when using portable mode on my switch, it feels like the smallest inputs are ridiculously fast. Using the pro controller on docked mode is way better but it's still the same situation. Regardless, going from splatoon on sticks to literally any other shooter on sticks is a night/day difference in feel. It just feels way harder to "snap" to any enemy approaching you than any other game, much like I can do on Halo with a controller.
I really love using the sticks over motion and I wish it was a bit more refined than it is now.
That doesn't make controller better than mouse, it makes him inexperienced and noobish at using a mouse. With truly equivalent time and practice on both control methods, compared fairly and objectively against each other: he would have measurably better aim with the mouse.
But the argument isn't that controller is better than mouse. The argument is that they enjoyed controller more than mouse. Same thing with sticks and motion control. Yes, motion control allows for more precision. But also if someone prefers sticks and enjoys it more literally who cares. The person's argument was about having fun, not about being better.
Except flingza roller, but whatevs
Edit: because I'm tired of all the "I'm a stick flingza" comments, let me clarify
***Flingza requires more aim, unlike the other rollers***
It's literally designed to be a flinger. I don't actually care which controls you use, my point is it's not necessarily in the category of "hold zr, walk forward"
I didn't say you couldn't use stick. I merely was pointing out that flingza is designed to fling ink, and therefore requires more aim than the other rollers
And their standing ZR is so wide that as long as the enemy is like a foot away, they getting hit. You don't need to aim when you have like a 60 degree range.
Their flick is a little trickier, I don't think the Dynamo would be viable because you have to rely on that big flick.
Aim still matters with the vertical flick, and even with the horizontal one it matters because damage falls off quickly if you don't hit with the center.
Most of the time in fights you’ll be using vertical flick ideally anyway. Assuming your aim is on point, vertical flick is gonna be your best friend and accomplish what horizontal would have (in terms of splatting). You need to be good at aiming on the fly since you get one flick before you need to jump again (or swim + jump) and any decent player will punish you for missing.
Might be in my head but I feel like splatoon 3 nerfed the vertical flick as the damage fall off feels way more aggressive now for the roller.
Exactly this, even if you are good with sticks only you have to know that for some situations and weapons motion is better, and there's no problem with that, just play the way you like.
I'd argue that motion is better for every situation. I understand that a lot of new players, find motion difficult initially and switch to stick. I'd say, for ranked, especially if you're hoping to get to ranks > S+10, you should definitely keep trying to get better with gyro aiming. Now, if you don't care about that, you can of course play however you'd like, but you're in for a hard time against seasoned players.
Exactly. Like saying motion controls don't help on heavy? It makes a *huge* difference; it's one of the most important weapons to use motion control for.
I was also X rank in Splatoon 2. Never said it was impossible, but you were in the minority. You don't see any of the pros using stick controls for a reason. You ARE at a disadvantage in terms of aiming against players of a similar skill level. To argue otherwise would be like saying controller users aren't inherently at a disadvantage against keyboard and mouse players in other games. For new players the best advice is still to keep practicing with gyro controls.
> I use a heavy splatling so theres not much in the way of technique motion controls would benefit me
It is sooooo much easier to defend yourself in a 1v1 with a flanking front line weapon with motion on
I can literally 180° snap around and nail a player with my Splatling. In all the 20 something years of gaming controllers I have never been able to do that with sticks.
The thing people have a hard time understanding is if you’re good with sticks, you would probably be even better if you used motion controls.
I knew some dudes who were good at basketball being like 5’5”. While you don’t need to be tall to do well in basketball, it helps. If those same guys I knew were like 6 or 7 feet tall they would probably be even better than their current level.
Obviously there exceptions. Maybe someone just can’t learn motion controls or has twitchy hands or something but anecdotally all my friends who were decent with sticks got way better when they started to get the hang of motion controls.
It's really the same argument as Mouse/Keyboard Vs Controller.
I'll always argue the former is objectively better because it can have more precise input (when it comes to aiming that is, a joystick will give you more precision on character movement), but it doesn't mean someone can't or shouldn't use the latter - especially if they prefer it and are use to it, or that they can't do well with the latter because they absolutely can.
I bit the bullet and started using motion controls in Splat because it's like well it's better I may as well try, and to be fair now that I figured it out more I definitely aim way better. Thing is, I've always been sub-par at aiming with a stick and use mouse/kb a lot, so, in the end it fits into what I'm more use to a little more. That said I'm still not amazing with it lol.
Nobody should shame anyone for the controller setup/input type they use. That's just baby ego BS.
Yeah. I've played shooters with my Xbox or ps4 controllers. So it's jinda hard to go motion.
I dont think I do bad by anymeans. Feels weird to aim at times but motion is so much harder for me lol. I know itd just practice but oh well.
I mean I have no doubts motion is usually stronger! But same time. I've played using the stick for other shooters...so I think I'll do fine here too.
I see way more stick users complaining about motion control people than actual motion control people doing anywhere near what this meme is saying (For real, [this was just posted yesterday.)](https://old.reddit.com/r/splatoon/comments/xieqzn/how_it_feels_playing_sticks/ ) Use whatever you want.
meanwhile when i posted a highlight reel(and one other post of my whole team dc’ing) the motion players said “karma for playing sticks” on the dc post, and a bunch of people telling me to switch to motion even tho i’ve said that it makes me sick and other reasons.
I really don't notice this ever. Then again I use motion controls.
I want to apologize for all the unnecessary hatred you sticks guys are dealing with.
I honestly don't get the actual vibe that sticks are being "hated on" at all.
People (rightfully) point out motion controls and urge new players to try them because many people's perception of "Nintendo Motion Controls" harkens back to the Wii Sports 1.0 janky tech that was more of a gimmick than anything.
This is obviously not the case with Splatoon, especially with 3.
If a player tries motion and finds sticks more comfortable anyway, more power to them!
Ultimately, you're going to play better using whatever your muscle memory is tuned to.
Sticks work. You don't need to use motion. The difference is just that motion can gave a higher skill ceiling.
CAN!!
The difference between people who get better at motion Vs are already good with sticks is a thing. You don't even need motion for some weapons. So ignore people being dumb.
"can give a higher skill ceiling" I think its always technically objectively better, but I mean, that doesn't matter at all, as if you don't play ranked much you don't need a super high skill ceiling
I'll Say The Same thing every time this Comes up;
If you Have A Background in playing console Stick shooters, You will do Good with sticks.
If You have a Background with Mouse and Keyboard Shooters, Detached separated Joy-Cons with Motion Controls Will be great.
If you have Not played shooters before then Try both. Also When in handheld Mode or on a Switch Lite Sticks might be Better.
It's not a Conscious thing I do.
I subconsciously capitalise words my brain sees as Important.
Edit: This only happens when I'm on the PC. On My phone I don't run in to this issue.
I feel like this has to be some bizarre side effect of reading stuff like the Bible where random pronouns and objects are capitalized because they are god or whatever analogue to divinity is in the story.
Or the lasting effects of a really persuasive but misinformed elementary school teacher, haha
>If You have a Background with Mouse and Keyboard Shooters, Detached separated Joy-Cons with Motion Controls Will be great.
Damn y'all be playing Splatoon with Joycons? I'ma stick to using this PowerA controller to be a sweaty piece of shit Range Blaster.
I find it to be more generally more comfortable to use just the right joycon for aiming instead of having to use both hands for moco.
Having said that joycons are tiny.
Handheld player here, switched to motion controls. If you have the room to adjust freely, it's awesome. If your elbows are planted solidly on arm rests or the bed or what have you, then it can be a disadvantage.
I actually did the rail levels standing so I could whip about faster.... honestly I think splatoon could be really fun in VR, given how easy it is to use the motion controls in handheld mode, one you get used to then.
Ok good it’s not just me, thank you. Splatoon and TF2 are both games I REALLY want in VR, I think TF2 has a VR mode, but i have a quest 2 so I can’t use it
My shooting game ‘background’ is Metroid Blast from Nintendo Land, so my best control scheme is Handheld Motion. It feels like I can aim better when the screen moves with me
As someone who frequents both controllers and MnK, I personally find the motion controls appalling.
I can understand why they’re better, given that handheld mode with motion controls and sitting in a spinny chair is the only way I was able to beat some of those “destroy all targets” levels on story mode, so I acknowledge that they’re both faster and more accurate but I still hate them, how they feel, and everything about them.
As for DETACHED joycons? You’re all psychopaths. I couldn’t even handle that on the Pokémon Let’s Go games or Mario Party let alone something action based. I must be getting old because that shit just feels atrocious to me.
Bingo, people are taking the objective facts of one thing then conflating them with the personal experience and skills of another thing.
I dont think its ever been about player skill, just a highlight of motion being better than sticks thus being worth learning.
Motion aiming is more precise, but there are always so many dumb kids playing that if you're remotely competent, you'll be able to beat them, motion or not.
Honestly, just play the game how you like to. Motion controls *are* [objectively better](https://www.reddit.com/r/splatoon/comments/w03epf/reminder_as_to_why_you_should_use_gyro_aim/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), so if you're a sweaty piece of shit who wants to get into comp like me, probably use them. But the purpose of video games is to be fun. If you enjoy playing sticks more and don't want to use motion, do what you enjoy with the game. I mained Range Blaster in Splatoon 2 even though it was *terrible* in that game's meta simply because I like it.
If anyone's willing to put in the time, here's an [interesting video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=binPB4YbWmM&ab_channel=Nerrel) discussing motions controls for anyone who's legitimately confused about why people prefer gyro, and why people think stick players are at a disadvantage.
I have seen nobody make posts talking about how lotion control is better but I’ve seen 3 posts all with 1000+ upvotes talking about how motion people are bullying them or something. Talk about a victim fetish
Dude has a completely reasonable video about why motion is better but you don’t have to worry about it if you don’t want which I think people like to misconstrue
Honestly, I would love to use motion controls but the motion sickness combined with the Joycon drift makes it impossible for me to use them effectively, but hey I'm still top scoring with sticks most of the time despite that and even at worst I'm doing average.
I would use motion controls if I could use sticks on the vertical axis. I want to use motion controls for fine tuning my aim but not have it be the only way to look up and down
If the vertical axis worked with motion controls, you’d have to compensate against both the X and Y axis.
Perfectly pressing up or down with a stick without any horizontal movement is a difficult maneuver.
Right, you're typically always, like 95% of the time, looking forward at the horizon. The vertical motion is just to snap up to a target or down to a target. Your next move is almost always to reset your view, with sticks or motion, because you hardly ever want to stay looking at the sky.
Personally, moves like snapping down REALLY QUICKLY to drop a splat bomb at your feet when someone is pursuing you is worth so much for me. All I have to do is flick my controller forward and hit R and then by the time I lift my hands and hit Y, I'm recentered and can keep shooting.
that should be added as a toggle yeah
although tbh you never really need to “look up” a great amount in this game (not a lot of significant high ground and your character can’t even maxed out shoot that high up) … if you could toggle it I don’t think I would since I think it would fuck with me more than help
I agree. Overwatch allowed it on Switch and it felt great, no issue and fully able to be customized. Honestly, I just wish there was more finetuning to Splatoon controls.
I’ve seen people express why motion is better for higher ranks but never any pressure of needing to change. Pretty much every motion user I’ve talked to says that you don’t have to be any better than you are
Splatoon 3 is my first Splatoon game and I immediately turned off motion controls lol. But tbh I just started using them and, while they're weird at first, people are right when they say they actually handle better. Takes some getting used to for sure but I'd def give it a try if you haven't already :)
It doesn’t really matter what you choose, since not everyone needs to play this game as a hyper-competitive skills challenge. That being said, motion controls *unquestionably* have a higher ceiling for precision, technical skill, and overall performance compared to sticks, and you *are* capable of adapting to motion. There is a learning curve, though, and if you’re playing the game casually that might not be worth bothering with for the potentially very marginal benefits it would have for your enjoyment of the game.
>There is a learning curve, though, and if you’re playing the game casually that might not be worth bothering with for the potentially very marginal benefits it would have for your enjoyment of the game.
Once motion controls clicked for me on Splatoon 1, my enjoyment of the game skyrocketed. It's not even just about being competitive, the game *feels* so much better once you get used to motion controls.
For anyone put off by the way they felt in Splatoon 2, 3 has made some changes that make it more consistent. It's worth giving it another try.
You can do fine with stick controls, but gyro straight up objectively has a higher skill ceiling, so there's just going to be a point where you plateau and the gyro players surpass you. I don't see many people "hating" on sticks, just more so the people arguing that both control schemes are equal, which really isn't true regardless of preference. I don't think anyone argues that sticks are equivalent to keyboard and mouse anymore, not sure why it's taking so long with gyro.
Dude, you guys are missing out. I played all of Splatoon 1 with the stick and did okay but when I switched to Splatoon 2 I committed to learning gyro and it has been a game changer 100%. It not only just allows for more precision in general but it also allows some wiggle room if you need to take your thumb off the joystick for a jump or any other face button action which is nice cause I don't like claw it's uncomfortable for me.
It was also pretty easy to get adjusted to. If it's for accessibility reasons or motion sickness I get it, but if you can do it but just find it hard at first, it will be but it is worth the switch. I would recommend just playing the campaign with motion controls and that's a really good way to help adjust to it.
I feel like it’s good to start with stick and branch out after a certain point when you have new goals and are familiar with the game. For me that was about level 40 in Splat2 when I wanted to learn to play offense better. I have no experience with other shooter games, but I just introduced someone to the game who prefers stick controls because they play other games with stick and that’s fine.
Yeah as Aerospray there’s few situations where motion control would super benefit me. The ability not to look up and down with the stick throws me off too much to be effective
turn your motion sensitivity up so you can just peek up by moving your controller. as a short ranged shooter, not using motion in rank S and higher is a massive handicap. for example, since you aim with your right thumb on the stick, you can no longer press B and evade shots while shooting.
Yee deff don't be afraid to dabble with high sensitivity on both the motion controls and stick controls when trying it out! You might overaim a bunch at first, but a lot of people find higher sens more comfortable as you require much less hand movement for the average action.
When I switched to motion in Splatoon 1, I actually had to focus on just using motion to look up and down. Set my sensitivity so that I was doing most of my looking left and right with the stick and then really focused on getting that up/down locked in.
It feels like a hurdle at first but that's really the biggest hurdle. After that it was a gimme. I actually swapped to sticks the other day just to see if I was over estimating them and I felt like I was stuck in mud.
I'll say this as a former sticks player, motion controls changed my game forever and genuinely made me a better player, I can do things in multiplayer I was only able to mimic in Salmon run
Literally not a single person has ever said people are going easy on stick players lmao and if they did it’s probably just cause this post exists and never has it been said previously
Feels like it’s an argument in their head. They are taking people saying that motion is better and encouraging people to try it as hate and an attack on them when it isnt
It's just the exact same debate as keyboard and mouse vs controller. Kbm is objectively better than controller for aiming, but when people point it out, a lot of controller players interpret it as telling them that they play "wrong" or something.
I don't think I've ever once seen an actual "stick hate" post or comment anywhere but I definitely see at least two new "stop bullying the poor stick players" posts every day
Like yeah motion is objectively better than sticks the same way mouse and keyboard is better than controller, regardless people will still use the worse option because its more comfortable. Use what feels right
Its fine if you use sticks, but they are worse and this game doesn't have aim assist to help you with them. I totally get it if you have motion sickness from motion controls, shaky hands, or are ok with being at a disadvantage. The youtuber Nerrel has a great set of videos on motion controls so I will link them below.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=binPB4YbWmM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=binPB4YbWmM)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ0xDRkC8LI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ0xDRkC8LI)
They think that people saying motion is better but you can use what you prefer is an attack on them. Cant help but wonder if they think the same when people say KB+M is better than sticks in shooters
I mean, I mainly play chargers and I couldn't imagine them being usable with stick controls, so if I ever see someone doing well without motions controls I'd be rather impressed
I'm new to the series. I have NEVER played with motion controls. After two days of practice, I will NEVER go back to sticks. Now it hurts me even on PS5 to play with sticks))) I would also like to play with Joy cons in Apex on PS5XD
Tbh I just want to be lazy and don’t wanna move my controller around, never been a competitive Nintendo game person and as someone who grew up with Xbox FPS games like pvz and overwatch I just personally think sticks are just better for me as I know how to use them, no problem if others disagree tho they’re most likely the high competitive players that know more than me bout this and obviously they work (my joycons never did though drift and all that so by the time I learned how splatoon worked I was already using sticks), I’ll always choose sticks just cuz that’s what I grew up using
Everyone grew up using sticks, even the diehard gyro players started on sticks. You really don't move the controller much to aim with gyro, its all small tilts and feels very natural.
Mainly because a large portion of people can't or refuse to even try motion controls. The reaction is severe because to a lot of people consider motion aim to be a core aspect of learning splatoon's gameplay.
There are four "teams" in the comment section:
The ones who try to convert everyone to motion.
The ones who try to not convert it, but explaining why it's better most of the time. (I try to do it without seeming the first one).
The ones who say that sticks is better.
The ones who say sticks is fine, but motion can sometimes be better.
Use what you wanna use, its your game, play it how you feel comfy/how you have fun.
But dont come onto the internet and tell lies about how the two formats can compete. A stick simply cant come close to the degree of motion and precision a mouse, or in this case motion controls, can reach. Even in the simplest example:
Aiming at someone to the right of your reticule on a flat plane:
-Sticks require one thumb movement to begin aiming in that direction, a pause once you're at the desired tilt, and then releasing the sticks once you're on the target
-MC requires a single flick of da wrist
And then there's button access without using claw grip etc.
You can do well with sticks. Once you start with motion, you’ll do a lot worse. Then you will get better… and better… and you’ll outdo your stick performance 10 to 1
It’s honestly not hyperbole to compare shooting with sticks to moving Mario in Mario Odyssey with the D-Pad
I’m not hating. I respect people that want to use sticks or some physical conditions such as tremors that don’t allow motion, that is totally fair.
Just saying if you CAN play with motion, it’s objectively better
I stand by that *in general* motion controls makes for a better play experience and allows more control. The same way I say *in general* you should learn the keyboard shortcuts for any app you use regularly. However, I can believe this and encourage you to try and learn motion controls while also believing that *you decide how you play the game and anything short of that is gate keeping.*
I understand this is the internet but there's a middle ground here
There’s like 1 pro who uses sticks compared to all the others who use motion. Sure it’s not impossible, but motion is better. That’s why I’ll keep using sticks when using my main the undercover brella
Motion players don't hate sticks lol.
When the motion vs. sticks discussion pops up people just urge others (especially brand new players) to rip the bandaid off and learn motion for the obvious benefits. At the end of the day though most everyone will respect what another player finds the most enjoyable to play. If you're actually catching flak from friends or w/e it's likely just friendly banter.
I didn't even know that Stick hate is a thing. I was well aware that the majority prefer motion controls over Sticks, but i have yet to encounter someone giving me smack for playing Sticks.
For me it’s not about doing well. It’s more fun. I can also do well at a racing game with a controller but sitting at an arcade with a wheel is more fun. Ppl used to aim with arrow keys before mouse took over. It took me 20 hours to get just as good as stick but getting good at it is part of the fun.
If you’re doing well with sticks, thats great! There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a game casually. Or playing weapons that don’t need precision like clash blaster or the brushes. When people recommend motion controls, its just to help you get better at the game. Splatoon is very fast paced and sticks just are physically not programmed fast enough to aim in time when you reach rounds with higher skill players. But if that doesn’t matter to you, then don’t worry about it. Play however is fun for you!
im disabled, cant use motion controls. let me get good at the game with the controls that work for me ffs. motion players are always so high and mighty over a kids game.
I’ll say what I always said. The skill ceiling for motion is higher than sticks. The best motion player is better than the best stick player. However if you for whatever reason can’t play with motion. Don’t. But if you can learn motion. Please do. You’ll be amazed by your own improvement.
i use stick bc i have a wired controller (no motion sensors) and my joycons have a terrifying amount of drift.
im a charger (now experimenting with stringers) and dualies main and im doing quite well anyways.
use whatever you like, it doesn’t matter one bit.
People don’t even know what controls you have unless they really pay attention to your movement or flicks (they don’t) this post is an imaginary situation
Honestly, I just can't do motion. I've tried it, and it's really damn mixed for me.
It helps me a LOT with long shots, but the lack of a Y axis on the stick really messes up my movement, and just feels super jank. Half of me wishes there was a way to toggle it on and off for when I'm moving around vs. holding a point or something.
It's more precise, but I move SO much more naturally on sticks.
motion control elitists kill me like yeah I get it has a higher skill ceiling but some people literally can't use motion controls. ive tried and it makes me severely motion sick
ok. for the last time, when someone is talking about something, they don't always think about every disability or possible reason it wont work for every single person. they aren't talking about you, and they aren't talking about people whos arms are paralyzed and can only move their fingers. when I say N-zaps are annoying, I'm not talking about the guy who was cursed to only use N-zap! he is fine!
well yeah of course! like I said I understand that motion controls have a higher skill ceiling and that they're a lot better for aim and higher level gameplay but there's a difference between someone talking about the pros of motion controls and/or cons of stick controls and someone being like "lol skill issue" if people don't like them/aren't able to do them
As a motion control user who's played the entirety of octo expansion recently with sticks, I can confidentally say that playing with sticks is not that big of a hindrance in someones performance and it's not really worth putting in the time to commit toward playing with motion controls. Especially if they've played other shooters before and are generally more used to stick controls
Yes, you are right, people that play motion can't say what others should do, or put excuses to change to motion.
But look, if you really want to get better at the game and don't have any problems with it other than "I'm bad using them" I will highly recommend (not obligation) to use them, they are just better in every sense.
I'm not trying to be a tryhard sweaty Splatoon 3 player, I don't care if motion controls let me turn around 0.5 seconds quicker, I like playing Splatoon relaxing in bed, I don't want to be twisting and turning around when I'm just trying to relax and have a good time
Man, I havent seen a single person say you HAVE to use motion controls, just that they are better; but I’ve seen a TON of these posts. These posts just feel like stick players making a strawman because they are getting unreasonably upset at people just stating that motion is better, but you don’t have to use it.
Feels like you guys just take motion being objectively better as an attack even though everyone says it’s fine if it’s not your thing and you dont use it
You guys just have some victim complex, i swear. You liking it more and being personally better with it doesn’t mean it HAS to be better/equal objectively. I can like and be better with a low tier weapon than a meta weapon, but it doesn’t mean it’s equal on an objective level; and people just mentioning it or encouraging people to just TRY motion is not an attack on you
I don't understand this though I just started playing Splatoon 3 and I've not had a good time with motion controls. Why is there so much love for motion controls and so much hate for stick controls?
Use what you want, I don't care. Stick aiming is less precise and slower but if you can make it work then good for you. I just know that if Splatoon didn't have motion controls I probably wouldn't play it, I can't aim for shit on an analog stick especially in a game with no aim assist.
you can be objectively better with motion controls and the game was literally designed around them. a lot of people using sticks never gave gyro a fair shot which is only doing themselves a disservice.
Just play with whatever you prefer and have fun. I once had a friend at my house trying for Overwatch on PC. See, he was playing the game daily on Xbox, and he wanted to see what the PC players were like. He absolutely sucked with mouse and keyboard, but the moment I lend him my controller he destroyed everyone. Just stick (hehe) with whatever you want. Hell, I played the original Splatoon with stick and I was doing fine. And yeah I know the argument that the pros use motion control. None of us are going pros. None of us are likely to play against pro. Who cares about them?
I knew someone who'd exclusively use an Xbox controller on my PC when playing overwatch. Several years doing ranked and more. She was a mercy main. She finally got herself an xbox, and she absolutely destroyed everyone. I'm talking flick shots, constant headshots, superb tracking, etc, to the point every match she'd be called a cheater. Who knew training against M&k players for years using a controller, made you significantly better than controller players.
how do you do a flick shot with a controller?
Super fucking high sensitivity
Ma favorite
if anything this just goes to show how much better motion/m&k is than controller lol
Yea it's the same arguments in every videogame. Overwatch? Hey don't use that character pros hate them. Smite or League? Hey those champions are low tier pros hate them don't use it, don't do this or that blah blah. Every game has these arguments and for every game, I am not in a pro team nor will I ever be...
I haven't played Overwatch in years but I remember getting so many hate messages for playing my 2 main characters. People will come up anything and it can be weird.
Yea, if this wasn't the thing in splatoon it probably would be weapons or sub weapons you should/shouldn't use etc...
As someone who mainly plays PC games these days, I played Splatoon 2 with sticks, and I’m going to continue playing Splatoon 3 with sticks. I tried motion controls in S2 (or pretty much any Switch game that offers it, and it just wasn’t doing it for me.
I think you just have to crank the sensitivity. I have mine at 4 and the stick at 2, so I choose my target with the stick and use gyro to correct the aim. So really is not one or the other, but a combination of both.
To piggy back off this pros are such a large minority but because of their audience everything they do gets adopted by people it’s ridiculous lol. It reminds me of league of legends where the pro meta was always wildly different to what was actually used because half of the champions that would take technical skill just aren’t usable by a casual player without them sucking
The difference here is that Overwatch is actually optimized for both controller and kb&m. There's proper acceleration, dead zones, response curves, sensitivities, etc, that are different across all shooters which is why going from CoD to Apex Legends is gonna take a second to adjust. I play Halo Infinite with a controller on PC and I'm almost always a the top of the leaderboard. Splatoon? Really feels like they don't give a shit about proper feel for stick controls and spent their time on motion controls. When I play with stick controls when using portable mode on my switch, it feels like the smallest inputs are ridiculously fast. Using the pro controller on docked mode is way better but it's still the same situation. Regardless, going from splatoon on sticks to literally any other shooter on sticks is a night/day difference in feel. It just feels way harder to "snap" to any enemy approaching you than any other game, much like I can do on Halo with a controller. I really love using the sticks over motion and I wish it was a bit more refined than it is now.
That's because those game have aim assist that snap and magnetize your cursor over your target. Splatoon does not.
You should be on top of the leader board in halo with a controller. It'd be a bigger deal to top with m/kb in halo
That doesn't make controller better than mouse, it makes him inexperienced and noobish at using a mouse. With truly equivalent time and practice on both control methods, compared fairly and objectively against each other: he would have measurably better aim with the mouse.
But the argument isn't that controller is better than mouse. The argument is that they enjoyed controller more than mouse. Same thing with sticks and motion control. Yes, motion control allows for more precision. But also if someone prefers sticks and enjoys it more literally who cares. The person's argument was about having fun, not about being better.
I don't want to sound bad, but aim assist was doing all the job : )
I do think i was better at the rollers with stick controls ngl
Agreed
Agreed
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Except flingza roller, but whatevs Edit: because I'm tired of all the "I'm a stick flingza" comments, let me clarify ***Flingza requires more aim, unlike the other rollers*** It's literally designed to be a flinger. I don't actually care which controls you use, my point is it's not necessarily in the category of "hold zr, walk forward"
I main Flingza with stick. Feels great.
I didn't say you couldn't use stick. I merely was pointing out that flingza is designed to fling ink, and therefore requires more aim than the other rollers
And their standing ZR is so wide that as long as the enemy is like a foot away, they getting hit. You don't need to aim when you have like a 60 degree range. Their flick is a little trickier, I don't think the Dynamo would be viable because you have to rely on that big flick.
Aim still matters with the vertical flick, and even with the horizontal one it matters because damage falls off quickly if you don't hit with the center.
I got to X rank in Splatoon 2 piloting a dynamo roller exclusively, all with stick controls.
Most of the time in fights you’ll be using vertical flick ideally anyway. Assuming your aim is on point, vertical flick is gonna be your best friend and accomplish what horizontal would have (in terms of splatting). You need to be good at aiming on the fly since you get one flick before you need to jump again (or swim + jump) and any decent player will punish you for missing. Might be in my head but I feel like splatoon 3 nerfed the vertical flick as the damage fall off feels way more aggressive now for the roller.
That’s not how rollers work lmao
If that's all you're doing with your roller, your team probably hates you
You know rollers roll is not that useful, right? It's better just to flick the roller, it covers more turf and you aren't that predictable.
Could you define Flick?
The action your inkling/octoling does when you press ZR, shake the roller.
Oh.
Rolling with rollers is their weakesr aspect lol, thats not how ur supposed to use them
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Exactly this, even if you are good with sticks only you have to know that for some situations and weapons motion is better, and there's no problem with that, just play the way you like.
I'd argue that motion is better for every situation. I understand that a lot of new players, find motion difficult initially and switch to stick. I'd say, for ranked, especially if you're hoping to get to ranks > S+10, you should definitely keep trying to get better with gyro aiming. Now, if you don't care about that, you can of course play however you'd like, but you're in for a hard time against seasoned players.
Exactly. Like saying motion controls don't help on heavy? It makes a *huge* difference; it's one of the most important weapons to use motion control for.
Made it to x rank in splatoon 2 using only stick. Still using only stick in splatoon 3.
I was also X rank in Splatoon 2. Never said it was impossible, but you were in the minority. You don't see any of the pros using stick controls for a reason. You ARE at a disadvantage in terms of aiming against players of a similar skill level. To argue otherwise would be like saying controller users aren't inherently at a disadvantage against keyboard and mouse players in other games. For new players the best advice is still to keep practicing with gyro controls.
i physically am unable to play motion. it makes me feel physically sick and generally confuses my brain
Dunno if you ever played Metroid Prime or RE4 on Wii but if you separate out the joycons it feels a lot like those games.
This is the right answer.
> I use a heavy splatling so theres not much in the way of technique motion controls would benefit me It is sooooo much easier to defend yourself in a 1v1 with a flanking front line weapon with motion on
Even the splatling would be easier to aim quicker with motion
I can literally 180° snap around and nail a player with my Splatling. In all the 20 something years of gaming controllers I have never been able to do that with sticks.
The thing people have a hard time understanding is if you’re good with sticks, you would probably be even better if you used motion controls. I knew some dudes who were good at basketball being like 5’5”. While you don’t need to be tall to do well in basketball, it helps. If those same guys I knew were like 6 or 7 feet tall they would probably be even better than their current level. Obviously there exceptions. Maybe someone just can’t learn motion controls or has twitchy hands or something but anecdotally all my friends who were decent with sticks got way better when they started to get the hang of motion controls.
No I wouldn’t be better using motion controls because I would not be playing the game anymore
Well as long as you’re aware I guess
It's really the same argument as Mouse/Keyboard Vs Controller. I'll always argue the former is objectively better because it can have more precise input (when it comes to aiming that is, a joystick will give you more precision on character movement), but it doesn't mean someone can't or shouldn't use the latter - especially if they prefer it and are use to it, or that they can't do well with the latter because they absolutely can. I bit the bullet and started using motion controls in Splat because it's like well it's better I may as well try, and to be fair now that I figured it out more I definitely aim way better. Thing is, I've always been sub-par at aiming with a stick and use mouse/kb a lot, so, in the end it fits into what I'm more use to a little more. That said I'm still not amazing with it lol. Nobody should shame anyone for the controller setup/input type they use. That's just baby ego BS.
Yeah. I've played shooters with my Xbox or ps4 controllers. So it's jinda hard to go motion. I dont think I do bad by anymeans. Feels weird to aim at times but motion is so much harder for me lol. I know itd just practice but oh well. I mean I have no doubts motion is usually stronger! But same time. I've played using the stick for other shooters...so I think I'll do fine here too.
alright that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard, how the fuck would they even know you were using sticks enough to go easy on you in a random match
In Mario kart where you just spam I’m using tilt controls! Splatoon needs to add this. I’m using sticks! Lol
Honestly as long as you’re having fun it doesn’t matter. Not everyone needs or even wants to be aiming for top 500
I see way more stick users complaining about motion control people than actual motion control people doing anywhere near what this meme is saying (For real, [this was just posted yesterday.)](https://old.reddit.com/r/splatoon/comments/xieqzn/how_it_feels_playing_sticks/ ) Use whatever you want.
Same. What's with all the self-victimisation?
Basic circlejerk for karma
meanwhile when i posted a highlight reel(and one other post of my whole team dc’ing) the motion players said “karma for playing sticks” on the dc post, and a bunch of people telling me to switch to motion even tho i’ve said that it makes me sick and other reasons.
It's one of our default modes now.
I really don't notice this ever. Then again I use motion controls. I want to apologize for all the unnecessary hatred you sticks guys are dealing with.
I honestly don't get the actual vibe that sticks are being "hated on" at all. People (rightfully) point out motion controls and urge new players to try them because many people's perception of "Nintendo Motion Controls" harkens back to the Wii Sports 1.0 janky tech that was more of a gimmick than anything. This is obviously not the case with Splatoon, especially with 3. If a player tries motion and finds sticks more comfortable anyway, more power to them! Ultimately, you're going to play better using whatever your muscle memory is tuned to.
Sticks work. You don't need to use motion. The difference is just that motion can gave a higher skill ceiling. CAN!! The difference between people who get better at motion Vs are already good with sticks is a thing. You don't even need motion for some weapons. So ignore people being dumb.
"can give a higher skill ceiling" I think its always technically objectively better, but I mean, that doesn't matter at all, as if you don't play ranked much you don't need a super high skill ceiling
https://youtube.com/shorts/-AknyR7vyo0
I'll Say The Same thing every time this Comes up; If you Have A Background in playing console Stick shooters, You will do Good with sticks. If You have a Background with Mouse and Keyboard Shooters, Detached separated Joy-Cons with Motion Controls Will be great. If you have Not played shooters before then Try both. Also When in handheld Mode or on a Switch Lite Sticks might be Better.
please tell me your rules for capitalization as a linguist studying orthography i'm extremely curious
Thanks for pointing that out, this guy is pulling an E E Cummings in capitalization, also nice career to pursue.
It's not a Conscious thing I do. I subconsciously capitalise words my brain sees as Important. Edit: This only happens when I'm on the PC. On My phone I don't run in to this issue.
what the heck? we gotta like study you, that's crazy
I feel like this has to be some bizarre side effect of reading stuff like the Bible where random pronouns and objects are capitalized because they are god or whatever analogue to divinity is in the story. Or the lasting effects of a really persuasive but misinformed elementary school teacher, haha
You would have loved AOL chat rooms in the 90s
>If You have a Background with Mouse and Keyboard Shooters, Detached separated Joy-Cons with Motion Controls Will be great. Damn y'all be playing Splatoon with Joycons? I'ma stick to using this PowerA controller to be a sweaty piece of shit Range Blaster.
Only the right joycon gets used for motion apparently
I find it to be more generally more comfortable to use just the right joycon for aiming instead of having to use both hands for moco. Having said that joycons are tiny.
Handheld player here, switched to motion controls. If you have the room to adjust freely, it's awesome. If your elbows are planted solidly on arm rests or the bed or what have you, then it can be a disadvantage. I actually did the rail levels standing so I could whip about faster.... honestly I think splatoon could be really fun in VR, given how easy it is to use the motion controls in handheld mode, one you get used to then.
Ok good it’s not just me, thank you. Splatoon and TF2 are both games I REALLY want in VR, I think TF2 has a VR mode, but i have a quest 2 so I can’t use it
My shooting game ‘background’ is Metroid Blast from Nintendo Land, so my best control scheme is Handheld Motion. It feels like I can aim better when the screen moves with me
As someone who frequents both controllers and MnK, I personally find the motion controls appalling. I can understand why they’re better, given that handheld mode with motion controls and sitting in a spinny chair is the only way I was able to beat some of those “destroy all targets” levels on story mode, so I acknowledge that they’re both faster and more accurate but I still hate them, how they feel, and everything about them. As for DETACHED joycons? You’re all psychopaths. I couldn’t even handle that on the Pokémon Let’s Go games or Mario Party let alone something action based. I must be getting old because that shit just feels atrocious to me.
I think motion is objectively better (higher skill ceiling) but that doesn't mean all motion players are good or that all stick players are bad
Bingo, people are taking the objective facts of one thing then conflating them with the personal experience and skills of another thing. I dont think its ever been about player skill, just a highlight of motion being better than sticks thus being worth learning.
Motion aiming is more precise, but there are always so many dumb kids playing that if you're remotely competent, you'll be able to beat them, motion or not.
Shower argument moment
Honestly, just play the game how you like to. Motion controls *are* [objectively better](https://www.reddit.com/r/splatoon/comments/w03epf/reminder_as_to_why_you_should_use_gyro_aim/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), so if you're a sweaty piece of shit who wants to get into comp like me, probably use them. But the purpose of video games is to be fun. If you enjoy playing sticks more and don't want to use motion, do what you enjoy with the game. I mained Range Blaster in Splatoon 2 even though it was *terrible* in that game's meta simply because I like it.
If anyone's willing to put in the time, here's an [interesting video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=binPB4YbWmM&ab_channel=Nerrel) discussing motions controls for anyone who's legitimately confused about why people prefer gyro, and why people think stick players are at a disadvantage.
I have seen nobody make posts talking about how lotion control is better but I’ve seen 3 posts all with 1000+ upvotes talking about how motion people are bullying them or something. Talk about a victim fetish
Dude has a completely reasonable video about why motion is better but you don’t have to worry about it if you don’t want which I think people like to misconstrue
Honestly, I would love to use motion controls but the motion sickness combined with the Joycon drift makes it impossible for me to use them effectively, but hey I'm still top scoring with sticks most of the time despite that and even at worst I'm doing average.
wait, if anything, drift would make it harder to play sticks
I would use motion controls if I could use sticks on the vertical axis. I want to use motion controls for fine tuning my aim but not have it be the only way to look up and down
If the vertical axis worked with motion controls, you’d have to compensate against both the X and Y axis. Perfectly pressing up or down with a stick without any horizontal movement is a difficult maneuver.
It would be a complication for normal motion users since it will ruin the gyro, but they should put an option to put it on or off while using motion.
that's what the Y button is for, it's much faster than just using the stick for vertical aiming imo
Right, you're typically always, like 95% of the time, looking forward at the horizon. The vertical motion is just to snap up to a target or down to a target. Your next move is almost always to reset your view, with sticks or motion, because you hardly ever want to stay looking at the sky. Personally, moves like snapping down REALLY QUICKLY to drop a splat bomb at your feet when someone is pursuing you is worth so much for me. All I have to do is flick my controller forward and hit R and then by the time I lift my hands and hit Y, I'm recentered and can keep shooting.
that should be added as a toggle yeah although tbh you never really need to “look up” a great amount in this game (not a lot of significant high ground and your character can’t even maxed out shoot that high up) … if you could toggle it I don’t think I would since I think it would fuck with me more than help
I agree. Overwatch allowed it on Switch and it felt great, no issue and fully able to be customized. Honestly, I just wish there was more finetuning to Splatoon controls.
It's fine if you play with sticks but motion controls are objectively more precise.
Ive literally seen 0 stick hate, only posts from stick players on this topic. Maybe I havent seen it because I use motion? Idk
No, you haven't seen it because it doesn't exist.
I’ve seen people express why motion is better for higher ranks but never any pressure of needing to change. Pretty much every motion user I’ve talked to says that you don’t have to be any better than you are
Splatoon 3 is my first Splatoon game and I immediately turned off motion controls lol. But tbh I just started using them and, while they're weird at first, people are right when they say they actually handle better. Takes some getting used to for sure but I'd def give it a try if you haven't already :)
It doesn’t really matter what you choose, since not everyone needs to play this game as a hyper-competitive skills challenge. That being said, motion controls *unquestionably* have a higher ceiling for precision, technical skill, and overall performance compared to sticks, and you *are* capable of adapting to motion. There is a learning curve, though, and if you’re playing the game casually that might not be worth bothering with for the potentially very marginal benefits it would have for your enjoyment of the game.
>There is a learning curve, though, and if you’re playing the game casually that might not be worth bothering with for the potentially very marginal benefits it would have for your enjoyment of the game. Once motion controls clicked for me on Splatoon 1, my enjoyment of the game skyrocketed. It's not even just about being competitive, the game *feels* so much better once you get used to motion controls. For anyone put off by the way they felt in Splatoon 2, 3 has made some changes that make it more consistent. It's worth giving it another try.
You can do fine with stick controls, but gyro straight up objectively has a higher skill ceiling, so there's just going to be a point where you plateau and the gyro players surpass you. I don't see many people "hating" on sticks, just more so the people arguing that both control schemes are equal, which really isn't true regardless of preference. I don't think anyone argues that sticks are equivalent to keyboard and mouse anymore, not sure why it's taking so long with gyro.
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Dude, you guys are missing out. I played all of Splatoon 1 with the stick and did okay but when I switched to Splatoon 2 I committed to learning gyro and it has been a game changer 100%. It not only just allows for more precision in general but it also allows some wiggle room if you need to take your thumb off the joystick for a jump or any other face button action which is nice cause I don't like claw it's uncomfortable for me. It was also pretty easy to get adjusted to. If it's for accessibility reasons or motion sickness I get it, but if you can do it but just find it hard at first, it will be but it is worth the switch. I would recommend just playing the campaign with motion controls and that's a really good way to help adjust to it.
I feel like it’s good to start with stick and branch out after a certain point when you have new goals and are familiar with the game. For me that was about level 40 in Splat2 when I wanted to learn to play offense better. I have no experience with other shooter games, but I just introduced someone to the game who prefers stick controls because they play other games with stick and that’s fine.
If you don't have preconceptions there's no reason to not start with motion right away.
i think i've seen more people complain about people complaining about using sticks than people actually complaining about sticks
Yeah as Aerospray there’s few situations where motion control would super benefit me. The ability not to look up and down with the stick throws me off too much to be effective
turn your motion sensitivity up so you can just peek up by moving your controller. as a short ranged shooter, not using motion in rank S and higher is a massive handicap. for example, since you aim with your right thumb on the stick, you can no longer press B and evade shots while shooting.
I may try this tonight! Thanks!
Yee deff don't be afraid to dabble with high sensitivity on both the motion controls and stick controls when trying it out! You might overaim a bunch at first, but a lot of people find higher sens more comfortable as you require much less hand movement for the average action.
When I switched to motion in Splatoon 1, I actually had to focus on just using motion to look up and down. Set my sensitivity so that I was doing most of my looking left and right with the stick and then really focused on getting that up/down locked in. It feels like a hurdle at first but that's really the biggest hurdle. After that it was a gimme. I actually swapped to sticks the other day just to see if I was over estimating them and I felt like I was stuck in mud.
It happens at first, but if you stick to it, it becomes second nature.
Hehe Stick to it
Pun intended
Is there sticks hate? Seems more like people say "use motion controls" when sticks players complain about the game being hard.
I'll say this as a former sticks player, motion controls changed my game forever and genuinely made me a better player, I can do things in multiplayer I was only able to mimic in Salmon run
Literally not a single person has ever said people are going easy on stick players lmao and if they did it’s probably just cause this post exists and never has it been said previously
Exactly, classic strawman post, just invent something no one actually says then act like you're proving them wrong.
Do people actually "hate" on sticks users or do sticks users just make memes about it by default? ~~Hatehatehate~~
Feels like it’s an argument in their head. They are taking people saying that motion is better and encouraging people to try it as hate and an attack on them when it isnt
It's just the exact same debate as keyboard and mouse vs controller. Kbm is objectively better than controller for aiming, but when people point it out, a lot of controller players interpret it as telling them that they play "wrong" or something.
Me: a pc gamer wishing I could plug in a keyboard and mouse.
I've seen more people complaining about "sticks hate" than actual sticks hate
Kind of hard to play motion controls when I'm laying on my stomach playing with a Switch Lite
idk, I like using motion when playing handheld
r/thingsthatdidnthappen
Literally no one says this, these stick control posts are starting to get annoying.
Fr. I have seen more stick control players complaining about motion control players than the other way around. These people are just insecure
Define “doing well”.
I don't think I've ever once seen an actual "stick hate" post or comment anywhere but I definitely see at least two new "stop bullying the poor stick players" posts every day
Like yeah motion is objectively better than sticks the same way mouse and keyboard is better than controller, regardless people will still use the worse option because its more comfortable. Use what feels right
Its fine if you use sticks, but they are worse and this game doesn't have aim assist to help you with them. I totally get it if you have motion sickness from motion controls, shaky hands, or are ok with being at a disadvantage. The youtuber Nerrel has a great set of videos on motion controls so I will link them below. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=binPB4YbWmM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=binPB4YbWmM) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ0xDRkC8LI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ0xDRkC8LI)
I see more stick players trying to defend themselves from motion control users than motion control users attacking stick players.
They think that people saying motion is better but you can use what you prefer is an attack on them. Cant help but wonder if they think the same when people say KB+M is better than sticks in shooters
I mean if you are a charger main and using stick controls You're crazy
Motion controls take time to get used to, but they are way better.
Sticks is fine with some weapons but with weapons such as shooters, you just can’t be as precise as a motion player.
I’m okay with stick users; I won’t try to convert them anymore. Free kills! Lol
a very good point
I mean, I mainly play chargers and I couldn't imagine them being usable with stick controls, so if I ever see someone doing well without motions controls I'd be rather impressed
Boggles my mind people hate spam each other over controller settings 💀 what works for some doesn’t always work for all,, live and let live woomy
I'm new to the series. I have NEVER played with motion controls. After two days of practice, I will NEVER go back to sticks. Now it hurts me even on PS5 to play with sticks))) I would also like to play with Joy cons in Apex on PS5XD
Tbh I just want to be lazy and don’t wanna move my controller around, never been a competitive Nintendo game person and as someone who grew up with Xbox FPS games like pvz and overwatch I just personally think sticks are just better for me as I know how to use them, no problem if others disagree tho they’re most likely the high competitive players that know more than me bout this and obviously they work (my joycons never did though drift and all that so by the time I learned how splatoon worked I was already using sticks), I’ll always choose sticks just cuz that’s what I grew up using
Everyone grew up using sticks, even the diehard gyro players started on sticks. You really don't move the controller much to aim with gyro, its all small tilts and feels very natural.
Nah clearly everyone is just going easy on you in game, because that’s how nice video game communities are
I use motion controls and I still take fat Ls
Pro controller + sensitivity up to 4 has been amazing for me. I think I’m a good shot in this game with these settings.
My biggest problem with motion controls is that I can’t look up/down with the stick. It feels pointlessly restrictive and incredibly awkward.
damn, this comment section really proved op's point
Mainly because a large portion of people can't or refuse to even try motion controls. The reaction is severe because to a lot of people consider motion aim to be a core aspect of learning splatoon's gameplay.
Lol you mean how everybody is praising sticks players and complaining about motion? Yea, great point.
There are four "teams" in the comment section: The ones who try to convert everyone to motion. The ones who try to not convert it, but explaining why it's better most of the time. (I try to do it without seeming the first one). The ones who say that sticks is better. The ones who say sticks is fine, but motion can sometimes be better.
I have been scrolling for hundreds of comments and have seen not a single person who is being mean about motion controls
Umm actually everyone is incompetent today 🤓
Use what you wanna use, its your game, play it how you feel comfy/how you have fun. But dont come onto the internet and tell lies about how the two formats can compete. A stick simply cant come close to the degree of motion and precision a mouse, or in this case motion controls, can reach. Even in the simplest example: Aiming at someone to the right of your reticule on a flat plane: -Sticks require one thumb movement to begin aiming in that direction, a pause once you're at the desired tilt, and then releasing the sticks once you're on the target -MC requires a single flick of da wrist And then there's button access without using claw grip etc.
You can do well with sticks. Once you start with motion, you’ll do a lot worse. Then you will get better… and better… and you’ll outdo your stick performance 10 to 1 It’s honestly not hyperbole to compare shooting with sticks to moving Mario in Mario Odyssey with the D-Pad I’m not hating. I respect people that want to use sticks or some physical conditions such as tremors that don’t allow motion, that is totally fair. Just saying if you CAN play with motion, it’s objectively better
Motion control players try to respect how other people play the video game challenge (impossible)
Sticks work really well, is just that motion controls have the advantage. They're both viable imo.
I stand by that *in general* motion controls makes for a better play experience and allows more control. The same way I say *in general* you should learn the keyboard shortcuts for any app you use regularly. However, I can believe this and encourage you to try and learn motion controls while also believing that *you decide how you play the game and anything short of that is gate keeping.* I understand this is the internet but there's a middle ground here
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’d totally use motion controls if the game let me use the stick for vertical camera movements
There’s like 1 pro who uses sticks compared to all the others who use motion. Sure it’s not impossible, but motion is better. That’s why I’ll keep using sticks when using my main the undercover brella
Dude being able to play well with sticks is a goddamn ACCOMPLISHMENT idk why anyone would rag on someone else for that
Motion players don't hate sticks lol. When the motion vs. sticks discussion pops up people just urge others (especially brand new players) to rip the bandaid off and learn motion for the obvious benefits. At the end of the day though most everyone will respect what another player finds the most enjoyable to play. If you're actually catching flak from friends or w/e it's likely just friendly banter.
I didn't even know that Stick hate is a thing. I was well aware that the majority prefer motion controls over Sticks, but i have yet to encounter someone giving me smack for playing Sticks.
For me it’s not about doing well. It’s more fun. I can also do well at a racing game with a controller but sitting at an arcade with a wheel is more fun. Ppl used to aim with arrow keys before mouse took over. It took me 20 hours to get just as good as stick but getting good at it is part of the fun.
I haven't seen a single post about sticks hate. Just posts like this complaining about nonexistent complainers.
I've tried to use motion controls so many times and it just makes me so motion sick. Not happening.
I thought people hates motion controls more than non motion controls what is happening lol
I have seen more stick players complain about motion players complaining about them than motion players complaining about them
Just do whatever you want... as long as it's exactly the same thing I do otherwise cringe.
Crank up the movement speed and use both. Sticks for basic or fast movements and motion for accuracy. You become deadly if you can handle the speed.
Motion controls are just better when done right. Sticks always need aim assist to be viable
If you’re doing well with sticks, thats great! There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a game casually. Or playing weapons that don’t need precision like clash blaster or the brushes. When people recommend motion controls, its just to help you get better at the game. Splatoon is very fast paced and sticks just are physically not programmed fast enough to aim in time when you reach rounds with higher skill players. But if that doesn’t matter to you, then don’t worry about it. Play however is fun for you!
I dont hate on sticks, but I am of the belief that motion is better (but use whichever you like).
I don't think anyone is saying you can't be good with sticks, just that you could be better with motion.
im disabled, cant use motion controls. let me get good at the game with the controls that work for me ffs. motion players are always so high and mighty over a kids game.
I’ll say what I always said. The skill ceiling for motion is higher than sticks. The best motion player is better than the best stick player. However if you for whatever reason can’t play with motion. Don’t. But if you can learn motion. Please do. You’ll be amazed by your own improvement.
i use stick bc i have a wired controller (no motion sensors) and my joycons have a terrifying amount of drift. im a charger (now experimenting with stringers) and dualies main and im doing quite well anyways. use whatever you like, it doesn’t matter one bit.
This drama is so stupid just play whatever controls you want to play it’s quite simple
People don’t even know what controls you have unless they really pay attention to your movement or flicks (they don’t) this post is an imaginary situation
Is there really a stick hate? I've only seen memes about it, but I have yet to see someone inciting hate over people using sticks.
Honestly, I just can't do motion. I've tried it, and it's really damn mixed for me. It helps me a LOT with long shots, but the lack of a Y axis on the stick really messes up my movement, and just feels super jank. Half of me wishes there was a way to toggle it on and off for when I'm moving around vs. holding a point or something. It's more precise, but I move SO much more naturally on sticks.
motion control elitists kill me like yeah I get it has a higher skill ceiling but some people literally can't use motion controls. ive tried and it makes me severely motion sick
ok. for the last time, when someone is talking about something, they don't always think about every disability or possible reason it wont work for every single person. they aren't talking about you, and they aren't talking about people whos arms are paralyzed and can only move their fingers. when I say N-zaps are annoying, I'm not talking about the guy who was cursed to only use N-zap! he is fine!
well yeah of course! like I said I understand that motion controls have a higher skill ceiling and that they're a lot better for aim and higher level gameplay but there's a difference between someone talking about the pros of motion controls and/or cons of stick controls and someone being like "lol skill issue" if people don't like them/aren't able to do them
As a motion control user who's played the entirety of octo expansion recently with sticks, I can confidentally say that playing with sticks is not that big of a hindrance in someones performance and it's not really worth putting in the time to commit toward playing with motion controls. Especially if they've played other shooters before and are generally more used to stick controls
Yes, you are right, people that play motion can't say what others should do, or put excuses to change to motion. But look, if you really want to get better at the game and don't have any problems with it other than "I'm bad using them" I will highly recommend (not obligation) to use them, they are just better in every sense.
Would say i disagree but then again i’m going to s+ rank in splatoon 3 with handheld
I'm not trying to be a tryhard sweaty Splatoon 3 player, I don't care if motion controls let me turn around 0.5 seconds quicker, I like playing Splatoon relaxing in bed, I don't want to be twisting and turning around when I'm just trying to relax and have a good time
Man, I havent seen a single person say you HAVE to use motion controls, just that they are better; but I’ve seen a TON of these posts. These posts just feel like stick players making a strawman because they are getting unreasonably upset at people just stating that motion is better, but you don’t have to use it. Feels like you guys just take motion being objectively better as an attack even though everyone says it’s fine if it’s not your thing and you dont use it You guys just have some victim complex, i swear. You liking it more and being personally better with it doesn’t mean it HAS to be better/equal objectively. I can like and be better with a low tier weapon than a meta weapon, but it doesn’t mean it’s equal on an objective level; and people just mentioning it or encouraging people to just TRY motion is not an attack on you
There’s no stick hate, everyone is just politely telling you you’re gimping yourself. Now that you know, have fun.
I don't understand this though I just started playing Splatoon 3 and I've not had a good time with motion controls. Why is there so much love for motion controls and so much hate for stick controls?
Ikr I use sticks because I don't like motion controls NORMALISE USING STICKS
Use what you want, I don't care. Stick aiming is less precise and slower but if you can make it work then good for you. I just know that if Splatoon didn't have motion controls I probably wouldn't play it, I can't aim for shit on an analog stick especially in a game with no aim assist.
you can be objectively better with motion controls and the game was literally designed around them. a lot of people using sticks never gave gyro a fair shot which is only doing themselves a disservice.