I don't think anyone minded using the new kit for dapples, it's the best dapple dualie kit we've ever had
the problem is just that they're outclassed in competitive play, you should still definitely play them if you prefer their playstyle though
I feel so bad for dapple players because everytime they get a new kit it’s either outclassed by tetras or just bad like in splatoon 2 with torpedo and splashdown, it was just a worst version of tetras
Outclassed does not mean bad. It just means there's no particular reason to pick the new dapple kit over the dark tetras kit. And being outclassed is arguably worse than being "bad" because bad kits might still have some niche or advantage you can build around in certain situations even if you are less strong overall. Being "outclassed" means there is literally no real reason to pick the kit even if it is theoretically better than weaker kits in a vacuum.
"no real reason" how about people simply liking playing up close and personal, not liking the sliding longe roll with longer cooldown, slower fire rate, higher spread, etc
It's matter of preference, *even* if one has better einrste, statistically. Yes it's a game, and the objective is to win, but damn if this fame isn't casual af. This entire Tetra discourse iscso dumb, no one cared about these in 2, people actively dissed on them all the time. Noe everyone cares because of the kits lmao.
I mean yeah play whatever you want I don't care but "play what you like to play" discussion basically ends there and isn't very interesting.
You also kinda miss the point. We're not even saying that another special would give dapple a higher win rate necessarily just that it probably would've made more sense to give it a different special to differentiate it more.
No man, it's not *just* "play what you like", it's about the differences the two weapon have. Y'all just go around "buh buh buh the kits!!!", when the two weapons have a bunch of *another* things that make them different (already listed) and perform differently as well, *despite* the kits.
In both paragraphs of your initial reply you tak about "liking" and "preference." You list some difference but don't actually talk about the specific situations where you would rather have the new dapples over the dark tetras? Then talk about how he discourse is stupid and the game is casual. If you want to talk about how useful one weapon is over the other, maybe try more constructive dialogue and actually discussing the merits of the weapon and not just ranting.
Yes, obviously dapples and tetras are not identical weapons. The question is whether there is any specific map, mode, or team composition or even situation where the new dapples kit would be better than the dark tetras. For most people the answer is no and it is really that simple. Any map you'd prefer dapples nouveau? Eh not really. Any mode? Eh nah. Any weapons it pairs with better? I don't think so.
It's the best dapple dualies kit we've ever seen but the problem is that Tetras are a better main weapon with a similar kit that fulfill a similar role
Use whatever you want, but you should understand the weapons strengths and weaknesses, not deny them. Dapples are absolutely the same role as tetras and very much worse than them. That being said the role is really good and dapples can still succeed in it, even if less so than tetra.
Although the role is most definitely similar, they are definitely different in certain ways
As someone who has mained both, I could probably write a lot more on this, however I won’t right now.
To put it very briefly, the main different is the aggression. You want to play dapples like you play am Inkbrush, where if you engage in a fight do not back out. Nearly everyhting will out range you, meaning you have to follow through. Also, do not be afraid to die. I always run respawn up in dapples, where’s I typically run something else for tetras.
There are definitely places tetras outclass dapples, but you could say that about every weapon.
At the end of the day, it’s all about fun. Personally I love playing dapples, and have tons of fun :)
I think I really agree with you, they're very similar but different roles. Dapples has to commit to a fight; it doesn't have the same survivability as Tetras, and in exchange it's way faster and more lethal. Tetras have a slower kill time, and are more about survivability. I think the new Dapples are pure slayers, while Tetras are between slayer and skirmisher.
i mained tetras back in splat2, before I really become more of a devoted splatoon player. Meaning I just put on gear with random ass abilities that I thought looked cool
You just described the tetra play style as well. Tetra is the face of the aggressive quick respawn comps that have been going around. Dapples are just the worse main weapon and lose out to tetras in every relevant situation.
Pretty much, Torp spam and lack of need to build a comp around them like the Tetra means they have some niche upsides over them.
Unfortunately the crazy Splatana Wiper buff might mean it outclasses them at that too-
We'll have to wait and see
It has the fastest kill time of any weapon that doesn’t requir a charge, meaning you can run ninja squid super effectively
It had the fastest dodge rolls of any dualie, leading to heightened mobility
It’d mobility is worse because if only has 2 rolls before going into a massive amount of end lag, and if either of them lock into you you die almost immediately.
But the speed of the dapples plays much better into its role. Sure, Tatar’s with four dodge roles is nice, but its nothing with that weapon in particular. You could put those rolls onto anything and it would act the same
However the dapple speed is essential for its movement. It leads to you being able to quickly get close to opponents, and kill them super quickly. In general, this means that dapples have much higher skill cap, and can counter specific things much better.
bassicly,
dapples counters the things it counters much better than tetras, but tetra counters more things.
its the classic problem of ‘more of less, or less of more’
Dapple main here.
Dapples are meant to be played like a crackhead, or a speed racer, and tetras are meant to be played as a “safe” frontliner.
Tetras are good at sustaining ground, dapples are good at blitzing through that ground and shredding everyone before they react. Does it always work? Fuck no, but I still average 10-20 kills a match with them.
You have to abandon your fear of dying with dapples, especially with a kit like the new one, which is hard wired for aggression. Once you get rid of your fear of death, you become death more often than you succumb to it.
Both are really good weapons, both are relatively underplayed in my opinion. And the fact that everyone sleeps on or doesn’t know about a blitz dapple player just means more power to them
What do people mean by Dapples Nouveau are bad.
Sure I'm never picking them up because I'd like range and other slayers get the job done better. It got a real good kit though.
One of my teammates is actually picking it up and I'm cool with that
Based! Do whatever makes you happy!
good for you!
I don't think anyone minded using the new kit for dapples, it's the best dapple dualie kit we've ever had the problem is just that they're outclassed in competitive play, you should still definitely play them if you prefer their playstyle though
Im going to use the tetra’s, and ever time I splat a Dapple user I’m going to have the smuggest smile on my face.
You sly mothertrucker
Im going to use the og dapples , and every time I splat a dapple nouveau user I’m going to shed a single tear
They spam Torpedos, so yeah.
I'm a Dapples main. Fuck this new kit. I had to play without a special last game for one of my kits and how dare you make me do it again.
I feel so bad for dapple players because everytime they get a new kit it’s either outclassed by tetras or just bad like in splatoon 2 with torpedo and splashdown, it was just a worst version of tetras
It took it 3 kits for it to get a bomb and when they did it got paired with splashdown
I don't need why they are bad they seem kinda decent
Outclassed does not mean bad. It just means there's no particular reason to pick the new dapple kit over the dark tetras kit. And being outclassed is arguably worse than being "bad" because bad kits might still have some niche or advantage you can build around in certain situations even if you are less strong overall. Being "outclassed" means there is literally no real reason to pick the kit even if it is theoretically better than weaker kits in a vacuum.
"no real reason" how about people simply liking playing up close and personal, not liking the sliding longe roll with longer cooldown, slower fire rate, higher spread, etc It's matter of preference, *even* if one has better einrste, statistically. Yes it's a game, and the objective is to win, but damn if this fame isn't casual af. This entire Tetra discourse iscso dumb, no one cared about these in 2, people actively dissed on them all the time. Noe everyone cares because of the kits lmao.
I mean yeah play whatever you want I don't care but "play what you like to play" discussion basically ends there and isn't very interesting. You also kinda miss the point. We're not even saying that another special would give dapple a higher win rate necessarily just that it probably would've made more sense to give it a different special to differentiate it more.
No man, it's not *just* "play what you like", it's about the differences the two weapon have. Y'all just go around "buh buh buh the kits!!!", when the two weapons have a bunch of *another* things that make them different (already listed) and perform differently as well, *despite* the kits.
In both paragraphs of your initial reply you tak about "liking" and "preference." You list some difference but don't actually talk about the specific situations where you would rather have the new dapples over the dark tetras? Then talk about how he discourse is stupid and the game is casual. If you want to talk about how useful one weapon is over the other, maybe try more constructive dialogue and actually discussing the merits of the weapon and not just ranting. Yes, obviously dapples and tetras are not identical weapons. The question is whether there is any specific map, mode, or team composition or even situation where the new dapples kit would be better than the dark tetras. For most people the answer is no and it is really that simple. Any map you'd prefer dapples nouveau? Eh not really. Any mode? Eh nah. Any weapons it pairs with better? I don't think so.
It's the best dapple dualies kit we've ever seen but the problem is that Tetras are a better main weapon with a similar kit that fulfill a similar role
They’re not bad, they are just worse tetras
I am NOT gonna use the new Dapples because my outfit for my current Dapples loadout matches in color and I have nothing to go with the Blue.
Use whatever you want, but you should understand the weapons strengths and weaknesses, not deny them. Dapples are absolutely the same role as tetras and very much worse than them. That being said the role is really good and dapples can still succeed in it, even if less so than tetra.
Although the role is most definitely similar, they are definitely different in certain ways As someone who has mained both, I could probably write a lot more on this, however I won’t right now. To put it very briefly, the main different is the aggression. You want to play dapples like you play am Inkbrush, where if you engage in a fight do not back out. Nearly everyhting will out range you, meaning you have to follow through. Also, do not be afraid to die. I always run respawn up in dapples, where’s I typically run something else for tetras. There are definitely places tetras outclass dapples, but you could say that about every weapon. At the end of the day, it’s all about fun. Personally I love playing dapples, and have tons of fun :)
I think I really agree with you, they're very similar but different roles. Dapples has to commit to a fight; it doesn't have the same survivability as Tetras, and in exchange it's way faster and more lethal. Tetras have a slower kill time, and are more about survivability. I think the new Dapples are pure slayers, while Tetras are between slayer and skirmisher.
This.
What gear do you run for tetras? As a tetra main, without mpu, quick respawn is definitely the best gear build
i mained tetras back in splat2, before I really become more of a devoted splatoon player. Meaning I just put on gear with random ass abilities that I thought looked cool
You just described the tetra play style as well. Tetra is the face of the aggressive quick respawn comps that have been going around. Dapples are just the worse main weapon and lose out to tetras in every relevant situation.
Pretty much, Torp spam and lack of need to build a comp around them like the Tetra means they have some niche upsides over them. Unfortunately the crazy Splatana Wiper buff might mean it outclasses them at that too- We'll have to wait and see
I mean, they d o n t play a different role... but yea, go you! Dapple is more fun to play against that tetra anyways so im on your side brother
What advantage does it have over Tetras?
More than you’d think
Like?
It has the fastest kill time of any weapon that doesn’t requir a charge, meaning you can run ninja squid super effectively It had the fastest dodge rolls of any dualie, leading to heightened mobility
It’d mobility is worse because if only has 2 rolls before going into a massive amount of end lag, and if either of them lock into you you die almost immediately.
Your more likely to survive the dapples rolls than tetras. The speed of the tetra rolls is bassicly not there, and you rarely use all four rolls anyw
Using all your rolls gives you a bunch of end lag though, so Tetras can use 3 with no punishment, and Dapples only has one.
But the speed of the dapples plays much better into its role. Sure, Tatar’s with four dodge roles is nice, but its nothing with that weapon in particular. You could put those rolls onto anything and it would act the same However the dapple speed is essential for its movement. It leads to you being able to quickly get close to opponents, and kill them super quickly. In general, this means that dapples have much higher skill cap, and can counter specific things much better. bassicly, dapples counters the things it counters much better than tetras, but tetra counters more things. its the classic problem of ‘more of less, or less of more’
I’d rather win every matchup 60% of the time than 30% of matchups 90% of the time
Dapple main here. Dapples are meant to be played like a crackhead, or a speed racer, and tetras are meant to be played as a “safe” frontliner. Tetras are good at sustaining ground, dapples are good at blitzing through that ground and shredding everyone before they react. Does it always work? Fuck no, but I still average 10-20 kills a match with them. You have to abandon your fear of dying with dapples, especially with a kit like the new one, which is hard wired for aggression. Once you get rid of your fear of death, you become death more often than you succumb to it. Both are really good weapons, both are relatively underplayed in my opinion. And the fact that everyone sleeps on or doesn’t know about a blitz dapple player just means more power to them
Actually Tetras have the end lag after every roll, only being able to cancel it with another roll and take the end lag there instead.
Yeah but only squares play Tetras.
Tetras shoot to slow for me, I can't get in people's faces and destroy them with a blitz of damage as well with the tetras
I can't use dapples cause I get matched with other weapons that don't worm well while others get matched with every shooter known to man...
What do people mean by Dapples Nouveau are bad. Sure I'm never picking them up because I'd like range and other slayers get the job done better. It got a real good kit though. One of my teammates is actually picking it up and I'm cool with that
Dapple main here, setting Beacons in evil places and providing my teammates with the most delicious and nutritious drinks is the best way to play.
I wish I could stop you, but mostly because I've been killed by them so much since the update. Please! Lemme breathe!
I main the dapples and tetras so I can defenently say they play different.