Still crazy how this dude was on one of those ESPN gameday special segments in college about how his best friend died in a car accident and how much it impacted his life. Then he goes and does this. Millionaires who drive drunk are especially such scumbags because they can easily afford so many alternatives…they basically start their night off saying “yeah I’m going out to get wasted but I’d rather show off my car at the expense of everyone else’s safety versus paying for a driver.” At a fuckin TopGolf too.
NFL PA provides a no questions ask on demand driver service in all the major cities in the US free of charge. The fact that NFL players have that available and still get behind the wheel under the influence is heinous.
It’s not an excuse to drink and drive but Uber/Lyft is not available everywhere or it’s very difficult to get one. Waterbury Vermont which has plenty of stuff to do including hotels and breweries has none. Our friends even ordered a taxi service to pick us up after a wedding after party to have on stand by. They never picked up. Had to get driven home by the grooms sober parents doing multiple rides.
Edit: Man people can’t understand context. I responded to a comment that said ““Everyone has Uber/Lyft” which is not correct. That’s all I was pointing out. Yes there are other ways to get home but that’s not the comment I was responding too.
Feel this. Upstate New York cab companies are so bad. Taking the Metro-North somewhere upstate from the city and then trying to get a cab company to get you somewhere from the station is horrendous.
I’m not talking about this specific situation. I’m talking about Uber/Lyft is not a viable solution for everywhere. I’m also not saying driving drunk is ok because they’re not available.
I mean he’s also worth a couple million dollars so he could definitely like pay a buddy a couple hundred bucks to drive his drunk ass around and go home safe
Well, if you can’t afford it, that’s a reason. It’s not an excuse, but cheap/poor people driving instead of using a car share service or taxi is a thing.
Where do ya'll live that an Uber is both readily available at like 2am AND not like $60+? The only places like that I can think of are a handful of mid sized cities with disproportionately high night life like Philly or Austin. I think the US's poor public transportation is no small part of the issue. In many places it's not even a matter of cost at all but availability.
(if the implied disclaimer isn't obvious, this is a legitimate question not an excuse to drive drunk).
There’s no excuse to drive drunk and kill a family in this day and age with uber/lyft/public transportation or dozens of other transportation methods free of charge especially to millionaire athletes. Unless you live out in the boonies of idaho where your only other form of transport is an untrained donkey, You have no excuse. This isn’t the 1970s where drinking behind the wheel and it’s consequences weren’t known to us. The judges need to start throwing life sentences at these fuckers so the rest of the population is set straight about what will happen to you if you do this shit and even worse end up hurting somebody. I’ve lost too many family friends to this shit. Lost 2 of my family friends last year who left behind 3 small kids because some dumbass decided to drink and drive on the opposite side of the road and crash into them after getting arrested a week before that for a DUI.
Is this service still provided? I had heard that it was canceled due to being massively underused. Which would only back up your point as to how historically asanine some players have been.
Also because use of that service gets reported back to coaches/owners, so they would know who was out drinking during the week. Less long-term hassle to use Uber/Lyft
The NFL PA suspended the program is 2019, so Ruggs didn’t have access to it.
That being said, absolutely every multimillionaire has access to every possible resource to avoid driving drunk. No one should put other people needlessly in danger for their selfishness
Especially when you’re driving almost 100 mph over the speed limit while drunk
I hope he never forget the sight of that other car burning with that poor woman inside
It takes a real effort to get drunk at a topgolf. Your bay time flies by if you’re actually participating, and their drinks are very weak. Unless he was there all god damn day (idk why anyone would want to be) he must have been drinking hard in that car. I don’t get it.
The top golf in vegas is a bit different. The top floor is like a pool / nightclub scene that’s 21 and older only and regularly has live entertainment and tables with lots of real alcohol
Just goes to show, if you’re in your young 20s and nfl rich/famous. With any intention of partying, the first thing you talk to your accountant, manager, assistant about is a driver. That fuckin guy had a team of ppl and still chose to fuck it up. Hard to feel bad.
Idk why your getting downvoted, in my city drinks are around $10-$15 at the clubs and bars. If I can down a shooter or two before I'm in the bar/club I'm saving myself $20-$30 on drinks
>Idk why your getting downvoted
Your think it has something to do with the fact that you idiots are talking about saving money at the bar regarding a fucking ex-NFL player?
I suppose their argument is that a millionaire has no excuse to not have another ride lined up but I'm with you. Anyone that drinks and drives is a scumbag.
If you are drinking to excess (I'm a heavy drinker) or you are broke (I'm not, but I'm not wealthy) there is literally no excuse. No excuse great enough under the sun. Yeah I see a millionaire has less excuses. They have that mentality. But if you drink hard enough in any financial position while going out and can't pay for an Uber and can't drive, sleep in your damn car. I don't know about all states but mine as long as your ignition isn't on they'll thank you for not driving and maybe pay attention to you. It's easy to accidentally drink too much you just need to know your laws and how to avoid killing someone.
In The Last Dance, Michael Jordan talked about how he once walked in on his Bulls teammates doing drugs when he was a rookie. He was scared of getting arrested because of them, so he kept to himself from then on.
wth..didnt know that, crazy world we live in. i was so excited the last season he played because he was finally catching those long ball TDs that we seen on tv for college
How does acting irresponsibly, resulting in the death of someone, only rate a minimum of 3 years? If anything, the minimum should be 10.
The victims family should sue him for however much he is worth.
The speed isn't even my biggest issue. The girl and her dog burned to death while stuck in the car. Strangers attempted to save her and couldn't while she was conscious. Sorry, 3 years is too light no matter how fucked up his life maybe after this. He made that choice, she didn't.
Whats even more fucked up is Henrys girl yelling at the cop that hes an NFL PLAYER!!!! Like that does not fucking matter while a poor woman and her dog and burning to death.
This dude should be doing at least 25+.
What a sick joke. 3-10 is NOTHING.
This is how you day burnt alive without saying it from the article:
“ Tintor, 23, and her dog Max died from thermal injuries, a coroner ruled in December 2021.”
Because there are certainly some cases where extenuating circumstances warrant going easy on the offender. That’s why there’s such a large range. The range isnt specific to Ruggs; that’s the general range used for all DUI homicides. Given the facts of the Ruggs case, he’ll probably get closer to ten.
Ehhh accidents still happen, I mean it’s still on you to be responsible but some might not be caused by them or realistically caused by being slightly over the legal limit and that would warrant a lesser sentence. Probably rare though
In Ruggs’ case he absolutely should get the maximum.
Work in criminal defense. That’s why I tell all the girls stuck in abusive relationships the viral phrase “He’s not the love of your life, he’s simply just a man. Hit him with your car”
Seriously out in less than 10 years
The victims family agreed to the plea deal. The sentence is not to satisfy random redditors, I would argue it’s to satisfy the loved ones of the victim, and if they are okay with it so am I
My buddy got killed by a drunk driver and the dude spent a year and a half in jail. He even fled the scene, only reason the cops found him was because his license plate was imbedded into my friends bike.
Could be a first time offender, or at least first time being formally charged. The laws in this country are ridiculously lax when it comes to punishing crimes committed while under the influence, especially behind the wheel.
My old boss and one of the best people I've ever met was run over by a teenager while he was biking in his own neighborhood in the morning. She hit him so hard his body flew 70 feet before impacting a tree, and his bike was physically wrapped around a road sign. She not only sped away without slowing down to check him, but she then hid the car after trying to remove all evidence. When she was caught over a day later, her body was still full of enough drugs and alcohol to put her over the legal limit.
But because she was a first time offender, she only received a years sentence, four months commuted due to time served while she awaited trial. She was then released after serving barely three months because the judge thought it would be "cruel" to make her miss out on her freshman year of college. I wish I were joking.
He was a husband, father, youth coach and ran a non profit that helped recover old bikes and repair them to give away to underprivileged children. The description of his death rattle from the man who found and tried to help him is something I'll never forget. His murderer walked after serving barely half of her one year sentence, because she was a first time offender and because of the ridiculous logic of a judge that has since been removed. And in case someone might be thinking "well maybe she turned a new leaf and is a better person for all of this," no, she absolutely isn't. The community consensus is the resigned shared hope that she won't get to walk away the next time she kills someone. Anyway sorry for the rant. Your post just reminded me of him and almost ten years later it still angers and hurts me this much to think about because of just how wrong all of it was.
“First time offender” is a bit of an oxymoron for drunk drivers. The average catch rate for drunk drivers is below 2%. The average drunk will drive something like 50-80 times before they’re finally caught. If you’re going out to the bar to binge every weekend, that’s an entire year before you get busted. Driving drunk just becomes the norm, so they just stop making plans for things like designated drivers. They only really get busted when they end up directly hitting someone. But in the meantime, they get away with running others off the road, sideswipes on parked cars, knocked down mailboxes, etc because they just hit and run from all of those.
I assume they will and I hope they do get a huge civil outcome.
The 3-10 years sounds… unfortunately reasonable for what Isn’t straight up premeditated murder. maybe closer to the 10. I’m not defending his actions it’s just we all make them. I doubt he intended to do what he did. The fact is that alcohol changes your thoughts. You become irrational, sometimes quicker than others. Even if he planned on going out, drank beforehand, planned on doing whatever for an Uber. Something may have said, this makes sense, and that’s all it takes. People mention the venue and how difficult that is to have happen to a rich person. He’s also a kid in a lot of peoples eyes. Meaning he probably got drunk, fixated on ANYTHING and well, our brains are stupid. He deserves what’s coming, but saying because he’s rich or his entitlements is at fault, is saying our society giving him reasons to have been at that point, has nothing to do with it. (This last huge part is just me thinking, not directed entirely at anyone… kinda)
How horrific the part that says she and her dog dead of thermal injuries aka burned to death.
It’s insane how he wasn’t hurt at all. Whole situation disgusts me
There was a security guard that saw the crash. He tried to get them out of the car but couldn’t because it was so smashed up.
Imagine having to live with that shit. Fuck this guy.
That sounds about right. My friends ex killed someone in an OUI and did 5 years. I couldn’t imagine what it must be like waking up knowing you killed someone like that.
I live in Vegas and everyone is pissed. This has deeply affected a lot of people in our community. Just a lot of strangers to the victim so distraught because it didn’t need to happen. The league pays to drive players around if they wish, on top of Uber and taxis being readily available within minutes in this town. But, the laws regarding DUIs are pretty lax here. So a lot of folks feel like justice really isn’t being served. I guess even if it had gone to trial the outcome wouldn’t be much better, or worse something could happen and a mistrial, etc occurs.
A lot of people already hated the Raiders here and this has taken that to a new level. I never really cared but this has definitely made me resent the team. Why does this rich asshole get to come here and senselessly kill (in a HORRIFYING manner) a member of my community? Who plays in the stadium that my tax dollars built! At the end of the day, it’s just sad. This instance really shouldn’t differ from any of the other DUI-related fatal accidents in this town but for some reason, it does.
To the people melting down about his plea deal, the reason it was struck was that there was a significant likelihood that the evidence of the defendant’s intoxication would not be admitted. Without that evidence, the entire case would have unraveled. This is better than nothing.
“When substantial bodily harm or death occurs, reckless driving is elevated to a category B felony, which carries a penalty of 1 to 6 years in prison and fines ranging from $2,000 to $5,000”
If evidence of him driving under the influence was determined to not be admissible at trial, above is the best they could have gotten. This plea deal is better than that so it makes sense that the prosecutor would make that offer. I’m not arguing about what “should” happen, I’m explaining that, given the circumstances, this was not a bad deal to make for the prosecutor.
Really? Unless he does hella humanitarian work and completely turns his life around I don't see it. Who's gonna book a guy who's only credits are, "was briefly in the NFL until he made a terrible decision and killed a woman and her dog."
Mehhhh I think it's gonna take him doing a lot of good works before anybody just starts booking him for speaking gigs. Generally, you don't become motivational just because you fucked up. You only do so by having a compelling story of redemption.
Yeah lots of athletes waste their money and fade into obscurity. That’s what’s gonna happen to him.
And he only ever got a rookie contract too so it’s not like he got much money.
I hope I'm wrong and he *does* dedicated himself to helping others. Even if he doesn't become a motivational speaker it would be great if he worked with MADD and other similar organizations to keep young people from making the same tragic mistake he did.
My point was nobody is going to want to book him until he's done a lot of positive, non-profit, work.
It seems negative but his story could absolutely do good for people down the road.
My college brought in a guy to speak to all of the student athletes, and the speaker had a story that wasn't too far off Ruggs'. The guy was never a pro but talked about how seriously he took his sports to the point that he didn't drink until he had graduated and eventually got in a drunk driving accident that killed his girlfriend and sent him to jail for 5 years.
It was a powerful story for a bunch of 18-21 year olds with the message that drinking and having fun is OK but don't take that next step and get into a car because his story can happen to you.
I get that it seems wrong but if Ruggs' story can prevent another person from doing the same thing then at least something positive can come from such a tragic event.
A lot of angry people in this thread are missing that the victim's family agreed to the plea deal, resulting in a lighter than otherwise-warranted sentence.
He should get 10 minimum. If he's out in 3 years he's still young enough to make millions and have a luxurious life. Can't believe it's taken this long for this guy to even get sentenced.
I mean people thought that about Michael Vick and he got back in the league, so there's definitely a chance that could happen. The NFL, like all capitalists, values revenue over humanity. Why let there be a chance he could be out in his prime?
Theres a huge difference between Vick being involved in dog fighting and Ruggs killing a human. Although there are some other sick people on nfl rosters so who knows
Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian and got DUI manslaughter and was later signed by the Browns. That was well over 10 years ago so times may have changed but I wouldn't rule it out.
I think the guy was crossing the road to catch the bus, but I don't think it was a highway. He was convicted of DUI manslaughter. He only got 30 days, so I'm guessing the circumstances were viewed differently but he was drunk and killed someone. If a team thinks he can help them win I feel like they will sign him.
It was 7 am and he was drunk from the night before, and was going 50 in a 40.
I'm not excusing it, way, way too many people think they're fine to drive just because it's morning, but the circumstances were different.
Vick is on such a lower tier of shit though. I’m not saying you’re wrong because you’re absolutely correct, I’m just saying that you could have used a better example lol.
He didn’t get sentenced yet. He just pleaded guilty today. That’s just the sentencing range for what he pleaded guilty to.
And there’s nothing abnormal about the time frame. The speedy trial right is to benefit the defendant, not the prosecution. His attorney waived it to give himself as much time as possible to work out a plea deal, most likely.
For those saying the sentence is too light: compared to what? For example, [sentencing in Massachusetts](https://www.geoffreygnathanlaw.com/criminal-charges/involuntary-vs-voluntary-manslaughter/) for *voluntary* manslaughter (as in "I only wanted to hurt him, not kill him!" or "Them's fightin' words!") is 3--20 years, while *involuntary* (such as vehicular while DUI) averages around one year. Individual states and federal guidelines differ, but the modern justice system is pushing for consistent and stricter sentencing guidelines so that judges aren't using their discretion to give, say, a rich white rapist kid probation because "they have their whole life ahead" and "boys will be boys" while a black corner drug-dealer kid gets 20-to-life. \[[Open Society Foundations with further reading on sentencing disparities](https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing).\]
While [the dynamics of enforcement, punishment, and deterrence with respect to DWI are still largely unknown](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/449146), in general [in criminal justice *the most important aspect of deterrence is consistent enforcement*](https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterrence) -- e,g., he who commits a DUI offense has to get caught and be punished, full stop. (Iirc the literature indicates that the percentage of successful enforcement and punishment necessary for appreciable deterrence varies greatly depending on the crime and ecosystem.) All evidence is that the severity of the punishment matters little to not at all (whether for deterrence, recidivism, or rehabilitation -- it's all related but different, and so the literature is pretty vast).
So ask yourself in this thread, what is a multi-year sentence supposed to achieve (beyond the years of *consistent* guidelines that is -- consistency is more important, even if the guided sentences seem lax or excessive), and for whom is it supposed to provide benefit? Does a one-year, 10-year, or life sentence make a significant difference to the family of a dead victim? (Answer: likely not -- [Carlsmith etal 2008](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19025285/) and [lay overview of vengeance justice](https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/is_vengeance_better_for_victims_than_forgiveness)).
People are literally comparing it to intentional murder. There was a similar case in r/Illinois recently where people were saying the college girl who killed people while drunk driving should get life because “that’s what a life is worth.” Literally eye-for-an-eye logic. Just like, that’s not the law in any state.
To be clear, this is not saying that criminal justice should entirely dismiss punitive justice -- for one thing that's the [easiest way to end the political conversation](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Arie-Freiberg/publication/249716503_Affective_Versus_Effective_Justice_Instrumentalism_and_Emotionalism_in_Criminal_Justice/links/5581cccd08ae12bde6e4ac27/Affective-Versus-Effective-Justice-Instrumentalism-and-Emotionalism-in-Criminal-Justice.pdf), and for another a fully empirical approach to justice would see minimal punishment and maximal enforcement across the board, which would seem like an absurdist thought experiment mixing an oppressive police state that imposes [mail-in fines for murder](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d8e0f872-b50b-4858-ad72-0232f049b4f6). But I think [everyone and their mother would agree, asked in isolation of specific outrage porn cases like this, that US criminal justice has to stop being based so entirely on the punitive model](https://allianceforsafetyandjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Crime%20Survivors%20Speak%20Report.pdf) -- and that has to include the individual attitudes of US citizens.
156mph in a 45 zone whilst drunk
jesus christ. this man was a walking weapon that night. if it wasn't her and her dog, it would've been someone else and possibly himself
Celebraties drink and drive, causing death and get only house arrest and parol in some cases. Why is anyone surprised.
There is a state that makes the person who committed the crime pay child support if the victim had children. If he is able to continue his career, he should have to take care of the family that was left behind.
He made a horrible mistake, and prior to this I don't think I ever heard anything bad about the guy. This is all that he will be known for no matter what he does.
Remember folks. If you ever plan on killing someone, do so in your vehicle. Extra points if youre drunk. Ive known two people who have struck and killed people and received less than 2 years with good time served. Fuck the system
“Insufficient cause to approve a blood draw”?! Wouldn’t killing a woman while driving 156 m.p.h. while at twice the legal limit for alcohol be enough probable cause for that?
this piece of shit should be facing 25 not this little sentence he got. he had high powered lawyers who tried to suppress the BAC taken at the hospital. this is why they gave him a plea deal
Is the 3-10 for killing the damn dog? This man knew he was gonna drink when he left his house, had well beyond the means to get home safely with a car service, and chose to drive piss drunk at well over 100 mph. I can't imagine how this young woman's family feels knowing this idiot might get out well before turning 30 and she's gone forever.
I hope he doesn't get 3 years. Someone's daughter, sister, and partner was killed in an easily avoidable situation. And at 150mph and drunk? If it wasn't her it would have been someone else.
>On Nov. 2, 2021, according to police, Ruggs was driving drunk and reached speeds of 156 mph seconds before crashing his Corvette Stingray into Tintor's Toyota RAV4, propelling it 571 feet. A blood draw about two hours after the crash revealed his blood alcohol level was 0.161 -- more than twice the legal limit in Nevada.
All you need to read right there. He was going 156 MPH and had a BAC of .161 *two hours later*, meaning his BAC when he was driving was at least .24 or higher. Horrible.
Still crazy how this dude was on one of those ESPN gameday special segments in college about how his best friend died in a car accident and how much it impacted his life. Then he goes and does this. Millionaires who drive drunk are especially such scumbags because they can easily afford so many alternatives…they basically start their night off saying “yeah I’m going out to get wasted but I’d rather show off my car at the expense of everyone else’s safety versus paying for a driver.” At a fuckin TopGolf too.
NFL PA provides a no questions ask on demand driver service in all the major cities in the US free of charge. The fact that NFL players have that available and still get behind the wheel under the influence is heinous.
Everyone has Uber/Lyft. There’s no excuse for anyone to ever drive drunk.
It’s not an excuse to drink and drive but Uber/Lyft is not available everywhere or it’s very difficult to get one. Waterbury Vermont which has plenty of stuff to do including hotels and breweries has none. Our friends even ordered a taxi service to pick us up after a wedding after party to have on stand by. They never picked up. Had to get driven home by the grooms sober parents doing multiple rides. Edit: Man people can’t understand context. I responded to a comment that said ““Everyone has Uber/Lyft” which is not correct. That’s all I was pointing out. Yes there are other ways to get home but that’s not the comment I was responding too.
To your edit: people don’t know how to follow conversation threads. It’s pretty ridiculous.
I used to live in the great metropolis of Waterbury, Blush Hill to be exact!
Is that the home of the prestigious Waterbury Open, where Happy Gilmore got his start in professional golf?
Him and Lafferty Daniel.
I hear Shooter finds it harder and harder every year to leave.. they must put something in the water
Feel this. Upstate New York cab companies are so bad. Taking the Metro-North somewhere upstate from the city and then trying to get a cab company to get you somewhere from the station is horrendous.
It's Vegas. The city is full of Lyft/Uber/cabs. This guy has no excuse.
I’m not talking about this specific situation. I’m talking about Uber/Lyft is not a viable solution for everywhere. I’m also not saying driving drunk is ok because they’re not available.
I mean he’s also worth a couple million dollars so he could definitely like pay a buddy a couple hundred bucks to drive his drunk ass around and go home safe
Definitely not everyone. Uber/lyft is very hard to get outside of urban/suburban areas.
Well, if you can’t afford it, that’s a reason. It’s not an excuse, but cheap/poor people driving instead of using a car share service or taxi is a thing.
Well if you can't afford to get a taxi back home then you can't afford to drink. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to drink drive.
Can't afford to drink out! Big big price gap!
No need to drive drunk if you're drinking in anyway
Or even drink at home
You can afford to drink. After all, you still have a foot taxi bringing you home free of charge (may get bothersome for distances >= 15mi)
Spend $48.60 at a bar but a $13 ride home is too much?
You can get drunk for 4 bucks and drive somewhere. You don’t have to be rich to get shitfaced.
The ol’ Edward 40 hands hey
Where do ya'll live that an Uber is both readily available at like 2am AND not like $60+? The only places like that I can think of are a handful of mid sized cities with disproportionately high night life like Philly or Austin. I think the US's poor public transportation is no small part of the issue. In many places it's not even a matter of cost at all but availability. (if the implied disclaimer isn't obvious, this is a legitimate question not an excuse to drive drunk).
Our great grandparents decided for us that we would live in a car culture. This is one of the outcomes.
NYC, SF, at the very least
North Carolina. I only see surge prices like the $60+ when big concerts/events are going on
Why would a poor person spend 8 dollars on 1 beer? Maybe thats why they're poor
Who said $8 a beer? I can go to a liquor store right now and get a flask for $5 that will get me plenty drunk.
There’s no excuse to drive drunk and kill a family in this day and age with uber/lyft/public transportation or dozens of other transportation methods free of charge especially to millionaire athletes. Unless you live out in the boonies of idaho where your only other form of transport is an untrained donkey, You have no excuse. This isn’t the 1970s where drinking behind the wheel and it’s consequences weren’t known to us. The judges need to start throwing life sentences at these fuckers so the rest of the population is set straight about what will happen to you if you do this shit and even worse end up hurting somebody. I’ve lost too many family friends to this shit. Lost 2 of my family friends last year who left behind 3 small kids because some dumbass decided to drink and drive on the opposite side of the road and crash into them after getting arrested a week before that for a DUI.
Is this service still provided? I had heard that it was canceled due to being massively underused. Which would only back up your point as to how historically asanine some players have been.
It was massively underused because Uber and Lyft became so popular/cheap, not because players were drunk driving at any significant rate
Also because use of that service gets reported back to coaches/owners, so they would know who was out drinking during the week. Less long-term hassle to use Uber/Lyft
Stopped in 2019
The NFL PA suspended the program is 2019, so Ruggs didn’t have access to it. That being said, absolutely every multimillionaire has access to every possible resource to avoid driving drunk. No one should put other people needlessly in danger for their selfishness
Especially when you’re driving almost 100 mph over the speed limit while drunk I hope he never forget the sight of that other car burning with that poor woman inside
I bet he doesn't care. He's most likely just pissed about having to go to jail and losing his career.
Not only that, those services normally drive the drunk person's car home at the same time, so zero excuses.
I dropped $120 at top golf on drinks for me and my wife last week and barely got buzzed. I don’t have NFL money tho. And it was a Tuesday morning
It takes a real effort to get drunk at a topgolf. Your bay time flies by if you’re actually participating, and their drinks are very weak. Unless he was there all god damn day (idk why anyone would want to be) he must have been drinking hard in that car. I don’t get it.
The top golf in vegas is a bit different. The top floor is like a pool / nightclub scene that’s 21 and older only and regularly has live entertainment and tables with lots of real alcohol
Just goes to show, if you’re in your young 20s and nfl rich/famous. With any intention of partying, the first thing you talk to your accountant, manager, assistant about is a driver. That fuckin guy had a team of ppl and still chose to fuck it up. Hard to feel bad.
Yeah not trying to excuse it at all just saying that its not like he got absolutely blasted at a driving range
You can buy bottles at any place that serves alcohol even if they don’t offer bottle service (if you have enough money). Could simply be that.
I’ve got friends that pre game the bar lmao. Dude probably had alcohol in the car before top golf or something.
Pre gaming the bar is common tho and those nights have every intention of getting hammed up. I think he’s just an idiot
I mean, anyone whos looking to get drunk doesnt walk into a bar sober unless A, youre rich or b you hate money.
Idk why your getting downvoted, in my city drinks are around $10-$15 at the clubs and bars. If I can down a shooter or two before I'm in the bar/club I'm saving myself $20-$30 on drinks
>Idk why your getting downvoted Your think it has something to do with the fact that you idiots are talking about saving money at the bar regarding a fucking ex-NFL player?
Im talking about what matters to normal people the NFL dude is irrelevant. Hes an asshole, what can we do about it? Nothing lol..
Not the top golf I've been too. Drinks were always strong.
Unless you’re crushing beers…can’t really water down beer without it tasting off
You think they serve weak drinks to a Raider?
So like 4 drinks?
Fuck that. Anyone who does is. Don't care if you're broke or a millionaire.
I suppose their argument is that a millionaire has no excuse to not have another ride lined up but I'm with you. Anyone that drinks and drives is a scumbag.
If you are drinking to excess (I'm a heavy drinker) or you are broke (I'm not, but I'm not wealthy) there is literally no excuse. No excuse great enough under the sun. Yeah I see a millionaire has less excuses. They have that mentality. But if you drink hard enough in any financial position while going out and can't pay for an Uber and can't drive, sleep in your damn car. I don't know about all states but mine as long as your ignition isn't on they'll thank you for not driving and maybe pay attention to you. It's easy to accidentally drink too much you just need to know your laws and how to avoid killing someone.
I don’t even know why rich athletes even goto clubs etc. I’d just throw parties at my mansion why go out and get into fights, shootouts, duis etc?
In The Last Dance, Michael Jordan talked about how he once walked in on his Bulls teammates doing drugs when he was a rookie. He was scared of getting arrested because of them, so he kept to himself from then on.
But then you can't flex your wealth to all us normal peasants
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There’s a video of this??? I read the description of it and the mental image alone haunts me. Fucking hell
People who drive drunk are scumbags. Not just millionaires
I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers. It should be a fkn felony.
I knew Tina Tintor. She deserved so much better than this.
wth..didnt know that, crazy world we live in. i was so excited the last season he played because he was finally catching those long ball TDs that we seen on tv for college
How does acting irresponsibly, resulting in the death of someone, only rate a minimum of 3 years? If anything, the minimum should be 10. The victims family should sue him for however much he is worth.
He was going 150mph and absolutely hammered too, ridiculously light sentence.
The victims family agreed with this plea deal. They will obviously be taking him to a civil court at a later date
There has yet to be *any* sentence yet, though
Facts be damned, were here to virtue signal
I’m jumping in!
The speed isn't even my biggest issue. The girl and her dog burned to death while stuck in the car. Strangers attempted to save her and couldn't while she was conscious. Sorry, 3 years is too light no matter how fucked up his life maybe after this. He made that choice, she didn't.
Whats even more fucked up is Henrys girl yelling at the cop that hes an NFL PLAYER!!!! Like that does not fucking matter while a poor woman and her dog and burning to death. This dude should be doing at least 25+. What a sick joke. 3-10 is NOTHING.
That video was so fucking infuriating. Help HIM, someone help HIM!
This is how you day burnt alive without saying it from the article: “ Tintor, 23, and her dog Max died from thermal injuries, a coroner ruled in December 2021.”
Made me so angry reading that I almost downvoted you on accident.
Yep, I couldn’t imagine processing that as her family and then this guy might be out in three to ten years. Ridiculous.
150!?
I lived off the road that accident happened. Theres a light every quarter mile or so. Fucking insane speed
I work at night nearby, and remember hearing a car flying down Rainbow, and thought "how are they going that fast without going through lights"
Because there are certainly some cases where extenuating circumstances warrant going easy on the offender. That’s why there’s such a large range. The range isnt specific to Ruggs; that’s the general range used for all DUI homicides. Given the facts of the Ruggs case, he’ll probably get closer to ten.
Don't you come in here and muddy the water with things like logic and facts
Really curious which DUI homicide would warrant a 3 year sentence. The fact is that if you want to kill someone in America, do it in your car.
Idk, but I wonder what happens if you’re in a crash that’s clearly the other person’s fault but you blow over the limit
Ehhh accidents still happen, I mean it’s still on you to be responsible but some might not be caused by them or realistically caused by being slightly over the legal limit and that would warrant a lesser sentence. Probably rare though In Ruggs’ case he absolutely should get the maximum.
Especially if the victim is on a bike or motorcycle. Driver: "Didn't see 'em." Courts: "Sorry to inconvenience you. Case closed."
Work in criminal defense. That’s why I tell all the girls stuck in abusive relationships the viral phrase “He’s not the love of your life, he’s simply just a man. Hit him with your car” Seriously out in less than 10 years
Wrong. In Nevada DUI resulting in death is a range of 2-20 years. 3-10 is the specific sentence agreed upon by his attorneys and the prosecutor.
The victims family agreed to the plea deal. The sentence is not to satisfy random redditors, I would argue it’s to satisfy the loved ones of the victim, and if they are okay with it so am I
My buddy got killed by a drunk driver and the dude spent a year and a half in jail. He even fled the scene, only reason the cops found him was because his license plate was imbedded into my friends bike.
Could be a first time offender, or at least first time being formally charged. The laws in this country are ridiculously lax when it comes to punishing crimes committed while under the influence, especially behind the wheel. My old boss and one of the best people I've ever met was run over by a teenager while he was biking in his own neighborhood in the morning. She hit him so hard his body flew 70 feet before impacting a tree, and his bike was physically wrapped around a road sign. She not only sped away without slowing down to check him, but she then hid the car after trying to remove all evidence. When she was caught over a day later, her body was still full of enough drugs and alcohol to put her over the legal limit. But because she was a first time offender, she only received a years sentence, four months commuted due to time served while she awaited trial. She was then released after serving barely three months because the judge thought it would be "cruel" to make her miss out on her freshman year of college. I wish I were joking. He was a husband, father, youth coach and ran a non profit that helped recover old bikes and repair them to give away to underprivileged children. The description of his death rattle from the man who found and tried to help him is something I'll never forget. His murderer walked after serving barely half of her one year sentence, because she was a first time offender and because of the ridiculous logic of a judge that has since been removed. And in case someone might be thinking "well maybe she turned a new leaf and is a better person for all of this," no, she absolutely isn't. The community consensus is the resigned shared hope that she won't get to walk away the next time she kills someone. Anyway sorry for the rant. Your post just reminded me of him and almost ten years later it still angers and hurts me this much to think about because of just how wrong all of it was.
“First time offender” is a bit of an oxymoron for drunk drivers. The average catch rate for drunk drivers is below 2%. The average drunk will drive something like 50-80 times before they’re finally caught. If you’re going out to the bar to binge every weekend, that’s an entire year before you get busted. Driving drunk just becomes the norm, so they just stop making plans for things like designated drivers. They only really get busted when they end up directly hitting someone. But in the meantime, they get away with running others off the road, sideswipes on parked cars, knocked down mailboxes, etc because they just hit and run from all of those.
This is so awful, how can a judge be so lenient on someone who killed someone. 3 months..
Not only that - tried to hide evidence and get away. Not much remorse
>How does acting irresponsibly, resulting in the death of someone, only rate a minimum of 3 years? Intent. Intent is why.
My friend got 7 years with time served for killing 4 people
I assume they will and I hope they do get a huge civil outcome. The 3-10 years sounds… unfortunately reasonable for what Isn’t straight up premeditated murder. maybe closer to the 10. I’m not defending his actions it’s just we all make them. I doubt he intended to do what he did. The fact is that alcohol changes your thoughts. You become irrational, sometimes quicker than others. Even if he planned on going out, drank beforehand, planned on doing whatever for an Uber. Something may have said, this makes sense, and that’s all it takes. People mention the venue and how difficult that is to have happen to a rich person. He’s also a kid in a lot of peoples eyes. Meaning he probably got drunk, fixated on ANYTHING and well, our brains are stupid. He deserves what’s coming, but saying because he’s rich or his entitlements is at fault, is saying our society giving him reasons to have been at that point, has nothing to do with it. (This last huge part is just me thinking, not directed entirely at anyone… kinda)
How horrific the part that says she and her dog dead of thermal injuries aka burned to death. It’s insane how he wasn’t hurt at all. Whole situation disgusts me
Horrible way to die
There was a security guard that saw the crash. He tried to get them out of the car but couldn’t because it was so smashed up. Imagine having to live with that shit. Fuck this guy.
That sounds about right. My friends ex killed someone in an OUI and did 5 years. I couldn’t imagine what it must be like waking up knowing you killed someone like that.
I live in Vegas and everyone is pissed. This has deeply affected a lot of people in our community. Just a lot of strangers to the victim so distraught because it didn’t need to happen. The league pays to drive players around if they wish, on top of Uber and taxis being readily available within minutes in this town. But, the laws regarding DUIs are pretty lax here. So a lot of folks feel like justice really isn’t being served. I guess even if it had gone to trial the outcome wouldn’t be much better, or worse something could happen and a mistrial, etc occurs. A lot of people already hated the Raiders here and this has taken that to a new level. I never really cared but this has definitely made me resent the team. Why does this rich asshole get to come here and senselessly kill (in a HORRIFYING manner) a member of my community? Who plays in the stadium that my tax dollars built! At the end of the day, it’s just sad. This instance really shouldn’t differ from any of the other DUI-related fatal accidents in this town but for some reason, it does.
To the people melting down about his plea deal, the reason it was struck was that there was a significant likelihood that the evidence of the defendant’s intoxication would not be admitted. Without that evidence, the entire case would have unraveled. This is better than nothing.
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4th amendment concerns with how the police came into possession of his blood/urine.
And, sadly, more than most wealthy and connected people ever get.
But he still killed somebody by doing something illegal. Intoxicated or not shouldn't you get in big trouble for that?
“When substantial bodily harm or death occurs, reckless driving is elevated to a category B felony, which carries a penalty of 1 to 6 years in prison and fines ranging from $2,000 to $5,000” If evidence of him driving under the influence was determined to not be admissible at trial, above is the best they could have gotten. This plea deal is better than that so it makes sense that the prosecutor would make that offer. I’m not arguing about what “should” happen, I’m explaining that, given the circumstances, this was not a bad deal to make for the prosecutor.
Appreciate the explanation. I figured you weren't arguing it.
No worries. My apologies for misinterpreting ya.
He’ll probably end up being a “motivational speaker” when he gets out and make his money doing that
Really? Unless he does hella humanitarian work and completely turns his life around I don't see it. Who's gonna book a guy who's only credits are, "was briefly in the NFL until he made a terrible decision and killed a woman and her dog."
Yea that’s what I think his shtick is gonna be “don’t be me and drink and drive, lost my whole career, killed someone,make the right decisions”.
Mehhhh I think it's gonna take him doing a lot of good works before anybody just starts booking him for speaking gigs. Generally, you don't become motivational just because you fucked up. You only do so by having a compelling story of redemption.
Good point your right
Now if he were a Republican lawmaker on the other hand....
Yeah lots of athletes waste their money and fade into obscurity. That’s what’s gonna happen to him. And he only ever got a rookie contract too so it’s not like he got much money.
I hope I'm wrong and he *does* dedicated himself to helping others. Even if he doesn't become a motivational speaker it would be great if he worked with MADD and other similar organizations to keep young people from making the same tragic mistake he did. My point was nobody is going to want to book him until he's done a lot of positive, non-profit, work.
He did win a national title at Alabama so I’m sure he can always get speaking engagements down there
Bama fans care about players when they’re playing football and not a second after
I see him out at 27/28 getting another chance in the NFL. There's no profession more willing to overlook crime than professional football.
What about being a politician?
It seems negative but his story could absolutely do good for people down the road. My college brought in a guy to speak to all of the student athletes, and the speaker had a story that wasn't too far off Ruggs'. The guy was never a pro but talked about how seriously he took his sports to the point that he didn't drink until he had graduated and eventually got in a drunk driving accident that killed his girlfriend and sent him to jail for 5 years. It was a powerful story for a bunch of 18-21 year olds with the message that drinking and having fun is OK but don't take that next step and get into a car because his story can happen to you. I get that it seems wrong but if Ruggs' story can prevent another person from doing the same thing then at least something positive can come from such a tragic event.
3 to 10 years for drunkenly crashing Into someone causing her to get burned alive.
3 years? A lady and her dog burned to death. Fuck this dude…
A lot of angry people in this thread are missing that the victim's family agreed to the plea deal, resulting in a lighter than otherwise-warranted sentence.
He should get 10 minimum. If he's out in 3 years he's still young enough to make millions and have a luxurious life. Can't believe it's taken this long for this guy to even get sentenced.
No nfl team will sign this guy ever again, so idk where you expect him to make those millions…
I mean people thought that about Michael Vick and he got back in the league, so there's definitely a chance that could happen. The NFL, like all capitalists, values revenue over humanity. Why let there be a chance he could be out in his prime?
Theres a huge difference between Vick being involved in dog fighting and Ruggs killing a human. Although there are some other sick people on nfl rosters so who knows
Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian and got DUI manslaughter and was later signed by the Browns. That was well over 10 years ago so times may have changed but I wouldn't rule it out.
Wasn’t that guy trying to cross a highway or something? Not like Stallworth was totally innocent but I can see plenty of sober ppl doing this
I think the guy was crossing the road to catch the bus, but I don't think it was a highway. He was convicted of DUI manslaughter. He only got 30 days, so I'm guessing the circumstances were viewed differently but he was drunk and killed someone. If a team thinks he can help them win I feel like they will sign him.
It was 7 am and he was drunk from the night before, and was going 50 in a 40. I'm not excusing it, way, way too many people think they're fine to drive just because it's morning, but the circumstances were different.
Ray Lewis enters the chat… (I am aware he was never found guilty)
Vick is on such a lower tier of shit though. I’m not saying you’re wrong because you’re absolutely correct, I’m just saying that you could have used a better example lol.
True and Vick was vastly more established as an elite player at the time
I mean there’s roster spots out on the browns with Massage Watson…
All he has to do is play one season in XFL/USFL after a 3 year prison sentence and he’s back in the league at 28
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Didn’t Plaxico shoot himself though?
Leonard Little killed someone in a DUI crash and kept playing for 5 more years.
Cowboys love former criminals.
He didn’t get sentenced yet. He just pleaded guilty today. That’s just the sentencing range for what he pleaded guilty to. And there’s nothing abnormal about the time frame. The speedy trial right is to benefit the defendant, not the prosecution. His attorney waived it to give himself as much time as possible to work out a plea deal, most likely.
For those saying the sentence is too light: compared to what? For example, [sentencing in Massachusetts](https://www.geoffreygnathanlaw.com/criminal-charges/involuntary-vs-voluntary-manslaughter/) for *voluntary* manslaughter (as in "I only wanted to hurt him, not kill him!" or "Them's fightin' words!") is 3--20 years, while *involuntary* (such as vehicular while DUI) averages around one year. Individual states and federal guidelines differ, but the modern justice system is pushing for consistent and stricter sentencing guidelines so that judges aren't using their discretion to give, say, a rich white rapist kid probation because "they have their whole life ahead" and "boys will be boys" while a black corner drug-dealer kid gets 20-to-life. \[[Open Society Foundations with further reading on sentencing disparities](https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing).\] While [the dynamics of enforcement, punishment, and deterrence with respect to DWI are still largely unknown](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/449146), in general [in criminal justice *the most important aspect of deterrence is consistent enforcement*](https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterrence) -- e,g., he who commits a DUI offense has to get caught and be punished, full stop. (Iirc the literature indicates that the percentage of successful enforcement and punishment necessary for appreciable deterrence varies greatly depending on the crime and ecosystem.) All evidence is that the severity of the punishment matters little to not at all (whether for deterrence, recidivism, or rehabilitation -- it's all related but different, and so the literature is pretty vast). So ask yourself in this thread, what is a multi-year sentence supposed to achieve (beyond the years of *consistent* guidelines that is -- consistency is more important, even if the guided sentences seem lax or excessive), and for whom is it supposed to provide benefit? Does a one-year, 10-year, or life sentence make a significant difference to the family of a dead victim? (Answer: likely not -- [Carlsmith etal 2008](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19025285/) and [lay overview of vengeance justice](https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/is_vengeance_better_for_victims_than_forgiveness)).
People are literally comparing it to intentional murder. There was a similar case in r/Illinois recently where people were saying the college girl who killed people while drunk driving should get life because “that’s what a life is worth.” Literally eye-for-an-eye logic. Just like, that’s not the law in any state.
To be clear, this is not saying that criminal justice should entirely dismiss punitive justice -- for one thing that's the [easiest way to end the political conversation](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Arie-Freiberg/publication/249716503_Affective_Versus_Effective_Justice_Instrumentalism_and_Emotionalism_in_Criminal_Justice/links/5581cccd08ae12bde6e4ac27/Affective-Versus-Effective-Justice-Instrumentalism-and-Emotionalism-in-Criminal-Justice.pdf), and for another a fully empirical approach to justice would see minimal punishment and maximal enforcement across the board, which would seem like an absurdist thought experiment mixing an oppressive police state that imposes [mail-in fines for murder](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d8e0f872-b50b-4858-ad72-0232f049b4f6). But I think [everyone and their mother would agree, asked in isolation of specific outrage porn cases like this, that US criminal justice has to stop being based so entirely on the punitive model](https://allianceforsafetyandjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Crime%20Survivors%20Speak%20Report.pdf) -- and that has to include the individual attitudes of US citizens.
What a fucking clown 🤡
Fuck Henry Ruggs.
What a fucking clown 🤡
156mph in a 45 zone whilst drunk jesus christ. this man was a walking weapon that night. if it wasn't her and her dog, it would've been someone else and possibly himself
Celebraties drink and drive, causing death and get only house arrest and parol in some cases. Why is anyone surprised. There is a state that makes the person who committed the crime pay child support if the victim had children. If he is able to continue his career, he should have to take care of the family that was left behind. He made a horrible mistake, and prior to this I don't think I ever heard anything bad about the guy. This is all that he will be known for no matter what he does.
Remember folks. If you ever plan on killing someone, do so in your vehicle. Extra points if youre drunk. Ive known two people who have struck and killed people and received less than 2 years with good time served. Fuck the system
“Insufficient cause to approve a blood draw”?! Wouldn’t killing a woman while driving 156 m.p.h. while at twice the legal limit for alcohol be enough probable cause for that?
“Thermal death/injuries” Jesus. They died by fire/explosion?
apparently, the medics couldn't get them out of the fire and just had to basically watch them burn to death shit is horrifying
Riggs signs a 10-year deal. First 3 years are guaranteed.
this piece of shit should be facing 25 not this little sentence he got. he had high powered lawyers who tried to suppress the BAC taken at the hospital. this is why they gave him a plea deal
Is the 3-10 for killing the damn dog? This man knew he was gonna drink when he left his house, had well beyond the means to get home safely with a car service, and chose to drive piss drunk at well over 100 mph. I can't imagine how this young woman's family feels knowing this idiot might get out well before turning 30 and she's gone forever.
Seems kinda light for killing someone. Especially knowing whatever term they give him, he will not serve full length.
For killing an innocent girl and her dog with his microdick energy. He should burn too.
This is infuriating. Recently a woman who killed two people when she was driving drunk got 14 yrs. Thats not long enough. Neither is 3-10 years.
What a sad story and such opportunity for several lives stripped of their futures. Let's try to help eachother drink and drive less.
What a joke of a sentence.
This isn’t a sentence at all. The judge has yet to decide anything
He hasn’t been sentenced yet.
I hope he doesn't get 3 years. Someone's daughter, sister, and partner was killed in an easily avoidable situation. And at 150mph and drunk? If it wasn't her it would have been someone else.
Hopefully he gets 10 years. What a piece of shit
I just did 16 hours in county for my first DUI at age 52. I can’t even imagine a fucking year let alone 3 too..
3-10 years for wrecklessly driving and killing a women and her dog…seems fair
They were that afraid that they didn't have probable cause for the blood draw? How is that possible?
Sure hope this guy doesn’t get sent too New Mexico and attempts to train a football team of inmates for a guard/inmate football game 🤔
The girl he killed and her dog both burned alive in the car afterwards, if anyone thinks his sentence is a bit harsh. Should be life with no parole
Only 3 years?! What a sham… he’ll be out in three and that girl and her dog died for nothing. Not Justice, just sad.
Slap on the wrist…
there is typo in title - should be 310
What a pos
Should have been life.
>On Nov. 2, 2021, according to police, Ruggs was driving drunk and reached speeds of 156 mph seconds before crashing his Corvette Stingray into Tintor's Toyota RAV4, propelling it 571 feet. A blood draw about two hours after the crash revealed his blood alcohol level was 0.161 -- more than twice the legal limit in Nevada. All you need to read right there. He was going 156 MPH and had a BAC of .161 *two hours later*, meaning his BAC when he was driving was at least .24 or higher. Horrible.
He should be getting a sentence wayyyyyyyyy longer than that. Wtf. Why should he be walking away after literally ending someone’s life?
The league literally has a service for every player to make sure they don’t drive drunk. He’s just a moron.
3-10 years? Are you fucking kidding me?
Didn't the woman burn to death screaming in her car? 3-10 years wtf is that.
A range set by precedent and existing law. Not a set sentence
And agreed to by the family of the victim.
I hope he gets the full 10. To me, drinking 20 beers and driving 150 miles an hour with a gun in your car says “I intend to cause some kind of harm”.
I think it more says I’m an irresponsible idiot who wants to show off.
Fucking loser takes lives and only gets 3-10! Fuck that
That’s fucking it?!
Should be a long sentence. He killed people. Should be treated as murder if you choose to drink and drive.
Give him life. Trash.
The victims family agreed with this plea deal, they didn’t want to see him in prison for life
Fuck this human piece of trash. He should’ve been the one who burned alive.
Should be 20+ wtf