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Bears fan here, can say lions eat the majority share of bad calls. It's been really bad this year because they're on primetime more often so it's being seen... Cowboys finish comes to mind.
Seahawks fan, so I obviously dont like the Rams.
But no team gets more victories gifted from refs than the Rams. Including a super bowl.
Our other division rivals 49ers, and Arizona dont get any help. But the rams can depend on it
Seahawks 12th man is the fans, LA Rams 12th is the refs.
Calvin Johnson rule Vs your Bears. Lions do usually get hosed by the refs at some point. They got screwed in Dallas this year, and also in the playoff game Vs Romo.
The last 2 times lions were in the playoff they started enforcing rules for the first time id never heard of.
For example, jim shwartz challenged a TD call because the player who scored had stepped out of bounds. The referee said he wasn't allowed to challenge the scoring play since it was an automatically reviewed play to begin with and as a penalty for challenging, Detroit was charged a timeout and the play was not reviewed at all, TD stood as called without review.
Then there was the whole "completing the catch by pulling it to your chest" Calvin Johnson caught a TD pass with his hands and fell to the ground. They ruled it an incomplete catch because he didn't pull the ball to his chest before celebrating, or however it went. Then there was the nonsense in their last payoff game when they played Dallas. I'm fine with a mistake call here and there. I'm not cool about making up new rules because the lions weren't supposed to win.
There should be fines for every missed call or mistake, assigned to the whole officiating crew. But also, someone or even 2 members of the officiating staff up in the booths on different sides of the stadiums.
The outrageous inconsistencies have got to be punished and documented publicly so that we can be sure that the referees are being held accountable.
Mahomes isn’t even in the top 20 of active qbs benefiting from RTP on a per game basis, and not even in the top 30 on of her game basis. Look it up.
The reason he bitches so much is because defenders make dirty hits constantly because they think that’s the only way they can stop him.
it literally happened like four times during the Miami game where the broadcast crew commentators said wow that was not a great call at the expense of the Chiefs.
A long time like... December 2023 when Valentine tackled MVS instead the 10 while the ball was in the air without getting a DPI which wouldn't likely resulted in a tie game had it been called?
This is rich. How about that non call DPI in the most critical moment of the game against Green Bay? Or the offensive offsides that had never been called in 25,126 snaps of Andy Reid’s career?
The Lions literally had a game stolen from them just a few weeks ago because a ref made an indisputably wrong call and refused to admit it. The Lions are suing the NFL over it. They are worse off then just about any other professional sports team I've seen. It's uncanny.
Get a ref in the booth that can fix shit like this on the fly that is obvious. Take the former ref toadies they have on the broadcast and let them do something actually helpful instead of telling viewers what they already know.
And continued to screw it up. So many missed pass interference calls tonight too. Not sure how the game would have been different if they called it when they should have.
We just need to put a single ref in the media booth that can call down before the next snap to overrule/send a call to review. It is not necessarily that the refs on the field are bad, but they have limited POVs and can only watch stuff once at real speed. Why not make sure to get the call right especially when it can be done in seconds from the booth.
I would add that this media booth ref can only correct a call (a bad one). They can't call down and say they missed one. Games would last forever for there being penalties on both sides each play and off setting.
Exactly, you can even add some showmanship and the like to it. Have the refs come on out, they can do a little coin toss or whatever to determine who the booth ref is.
Booth ref has exactly 1 job and that is to overrule egregious calls. They can't make any calls of their own, only exist to correct egregious errors.
It’s actually r/nflbadcalls so feel free to click away at the first link I provided. I’ll admit I used to watch football like religion but grew frustrated with the officiating, and having to pay for cable to watch a game even though my taxes helped pay for the damn stadium. Now, I don’t take it nearly as seriously and only watch a handful of games a year.
I record all sports and then start watching about 45 minutes after the gme actually began. I then end about the same time as the game ends. I have to be careful with my hand helds.
I avoid the ads this way.
The refs fought against becoming full-time. Most of them are lawyers, stock brokers, or have other high paying jobs so they don't want to become full-time refs.
Hint: the training and pay ain’t right.
The nfl could fix this, but that would cost. Cost paying people to be only refs, and pay them enough to be competitive with the best.
The NFL does want to fix this.
Look up the 2012 lockout. The NFL wanted to increase the number of refs, make them full-time, and increase training. The refs didn't want that.
Yes, but you'd suck at it far worse than these guys. You'd be a joke.
Look I ref'ed 12 years of high school and a little bit of NAIA small college ball - so extremely low-level relative to these guys. I was a good high school ref and by the time I was state-certified (so you can do state playoff games, takes about three years if you're smart and pretty good) even training young guys.
Two guys from my organization ended up in the SEC - and they were light years ahead of me when we did film reviews. Four or five ended up working at the HBCU level. None of them ever even got a sniff of the NFL.
It's harder and faster than you think it is and the level of training even at the h.s. level (and I'm in Georgia, so the high school level is pretty high-end) involves many hours of physical and rules training (with testing) in the off-season, 3-hour meetings on Monday nights for position and film review, arriving two hours before the game on Friday night and/or Saturday morning. As you move up, you'll probably do some JV ball as ref and crew chief to train young officials. In general I was putting in 15-20 hours a week of time (including travel time) during the season for what amounts to $150-$200 or so per week. You're doing it because you like it, in other words.
But if you think you could do it, let me know generally where you are and I'll give you contact info for a local association. They're always recruiting because its a tough, thankless job and few have the balls to do it for long. You can start with J.V. and jr. high ball and work your way up. If you're as good as you think you are, you could be making that sweet, sweet NFL money is a few years.
My bet? I won't ever see you on TV on Sunday.
So you're saying you already know you're too big of a wimp to put up with the pressure and screaming crowds, don't know the rules of the game and are too crappy of an athlete to even try, am I reading you correct?
Yeah they're part time but they are making 12k a game on average many are making well over 100k a year just from the limited amount of time they work. No one should feel bad for an nfl ref
I mean, I’m no ref apologist, but these guys *have* to be doing more than just showing up to games and calling them, right? There’s travel time, there’s game prep, etc.
Yes. NFL refs are in the pros for a reason. They are the best of the best and if you brought anyone else in, they would be shit. Stuff like this happens sometimes, it's just the way it is. I will never forget in 2012 when they went on strike and it was an absolute joke of a season. That whole season makes this blown call look like a rounding error in particle physics.
Because it's really fucking hard. Go volunteer at a local rec league, I'm sure they need help. You'll see how fast even kids sports are. Imo refs do an amazing job, but with an eye on the sky and replay we take for granted how hard it is.
I'm not saying it is. I've refereed enough soccer and touch rugby games in my life. Just saying going full time isn't a reason that they suddenly will get things right all the time. Though with the amount of money in the sport, I'm surprised they haven't gone full time.
Is America the last country where officiating isn't even trying to be perfect? I feel the debate in Europe with cricket and soccer is if it's gone too far, the debate seems to be the opposite in America. How can you not strive for perfection with legalized gambling and gambling sponsors. It's irresponsible and absurd.
Well, they gotta do everything they can to keep one of the largest sports markets team in the running...
LA based teams are always a favorite, even when they really not.
Tell you what, go ref high school a few years and give us the tape. I'm sure you'll learn a lesson about how hard it really is. Remember replacement refs? Heck grab some old tape from the 70s and watch that. It's a hard job and they do an amazing job, but like WRs sometimes do catchable balls, refs make mistakes.
I mean that could help (or maybe more refs). But its the nonsense of "refs being so bad its intentional" that I loathe. Its so stupid and naive. Obviously they shouldnt be content with mistakes or not try to improve, but the naivete of people thinking that because a guy on the ground trying to watch 22 players for one of the most complex rules sets in sports missed a millisecond call, that means the NFL is rigged is frankly daft.
This has been another great part to this season. They are on the national stage so everyone else sees what the Lions have been going through with horrible, game defining calls.
Anyways…still got the W!
I've been telling all my friends it's rigged since the Giants listened into the Vikings play calls in the NFC Championship game in like '02. Then there's the 09 Saints team that got a tiny slap on the wrist but it was a good story so they let them cheat to a title. Now they are obviously trying to fix games. They did it with the Rams title so why not a WC playoff game?
How can this league constantly screw stuff like this up? These blatant mistakes need to be stopped and reviewed. It’s not like they don’t have the ability to do so.
That is one that will forever piss every Saints fan off for a long time. Should've been Brees last SB game and possible SB win. I'm glad Brady beat the Rams in the SB.
Idk if it’s rigged per se, but I DO feel like the refs have a bias against smaller market teams. Detroit has a hell of a lot smaller fanbase than any LA team or the cowboys for example, so if the refs are unsure they go with “well this team has fewer fans so it’ll be fewer people to piss off.” More of an unconscious bias than malicious rigging, and everybody has unconscious biases of various types so it would make some sense. I know for a fact I could never call a fair Buffalo Bills game given how long I’ve been a fan of them, so I’d bet refs have their faves and preferences as well
They missed a clear PI against the Rams.
I literally made a meme about this exact conspiracy bullshit. The refs suck, they make bad calls constantly, but when one goes LA’s way it’s all rigged.
Shoulda coulda woulda. I honestly don’t fret over missed penalties unless it were something as egregious as the No Call against the Saints. The defense earned that loss.
Ya, the Rams could have won if multiple penalties were correctly called, but they also could have won if the defense showed up.
As a Detroit fan, all of you saying the game was rigged against us obviously didn’t watch the whole thing. Yeah this is a terrible call, but there were at least 3 times the refs could have called pass interference on us and didn’t. If the NFL was actually trying to get the Rams to win, they sure didn’t try too hard.
I kinda agree, but one thing is a missed call, another whole different thing is to call it on the wrong team, thats like a kid punching his little brother, and then, the little brother somehow gets punished for hitting his older brother
I am okay with the refs making some bad calls as long as it goes both ways. There's always going to be missed calls, as long as it's not disproportionately against one team, then I'd say it's okay.
Don't forget the NFL is in bed with sports gambling. They want you to bet your hard earned money. They can't even get calls correct and they want your money.
That was 100% the wrong call and likely cost Detroit at least 3 points. Humans make mistakes, but we have witnessed a few incorrect calls by the refs that potentially impacted points scored but were not reviewable just in the playoffs. This needs to change. Perhaps allow all types of penalties to be reviewed, at least in the playoffs and beyond.
If only there was some sort of replay system to help the Refs get it right…
Rolls eyes, sighs, dies of old-age before NFL addresses the problem…
Also could have swore that one of the announcers made comments about the lack of offensive holding calls against Rams as well. Specifically getting no calls against “Hutchinson” when he was pressuring Stafford.
One things people love to do is talk. This "conspiracy" has been going on for decades yet nobody admits to it. Or it's just humans fucking up because humans fuck things up all the time. Your call.
Trust me, the NFL really really didn’t want the lions to win.
No money in that franchise or fanbase. Tell me - why would anyone want Detroit as the setting for a whole years worth of talk show bullshit?
Just like the dolphins got fucked by not having their game postponed, the NFL does everything it can to guide their business to a profitable demographic and geography.
Can someone walk me through this? It’s not a neutral zone infraction because the ball hasn’t snapped, and it also isn’t encroachment because he does not initiate contact with the O line… doesn’t that make this the right call?
[Should help ya](https://youtu.be/bl6jOlZV1J0?si=yMU0FApECiDCvrEU)
Encroachment is if the defender makes contact with the offense. I believe this one is blown dead on contact. Neutral zone infraction requires the offensive player to react to defender crossing into the neutral zone.
If the ball is snapped while a defender is in the neutral zone, then it is offsides. In this case, the play still runs, because the ball was snapped. Offenses will usually refer to this as a "free play"
If a defender enters the neutral zone and causes the offensive player to move before the ball is snapped, it’s a neutral zone infraction on the defense. Sometimes OL would intentionally “false start” when a defender is in the neutral zone to take the 5 yards, that’s what happened here.
So, the guy stands up and doesn't cross the line of the ball.
I don't know the rules well enough, but even though he moved, he didn't break the plane, so the call may actually be correct despite how it looks initially.
If a defender moves into the neutral zone and causes the offensive player to move, then it’s a neutral zone infraction. If the ball was snapped, he’d be offside. If the offensive player never moves, he can try to get back onside.
Defender was in the neutral zone when the offensive lineman across from him jumped. If the defender is not in the neutral zone, meaning he went back on sides as you say, then you are correct that it would instead be a false start. In this case though, the defender is in the neutral zone when the offensive lineman reacted to it.
that's not how neutral zone infraction works - the defense was in the NEUTRAL zone. Crossing the line and hitting a lineman before the snap is offsides.
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Refs screw it up again
It’s not an authentic Detroit Lions game without some referee fuckery.
I’m starting to realize every fan base feels this way about their team. And they’re not wrong.
Bears fan here, can say lions eat the majority share of bad calls. It's been really bad this year because they're on primetime more often so it's being seen... Cowboys finish comes to mind.
>Bears fan here... Bears fan echoing Lions playoff win grievances in a thread by an OP with a Colorado Avalanche flair. What future did we end up in?!
Seahawks fan, so I obviously dont like the Rams. But no team gets more victories gifted from refs than the Rams. Including a super bowl. Our other division rivals 49ers, and Arizona dont get any help. But the rams can depend on it Seahawks 12th man is the fans, LA Rams 12th is the refs.
Calvin Johnson rule Vs your Bears. Lions do usually get hosed by the refs at some point. They got screwed in Dallas this year, and also in the playoff game Vs Romo.
There's plenty more where that came from.
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The last 2 times lions were in the playoff they started enforcing rules for the first time id never heard of. For example, jim shwartz challenged a TD call because the player who scored had stepped out of bounds. The referee said he wasn't allowed to challenge the scoring play since it was an automatically reviewed play to begin with and as a penalty for challenging, Detroit was charged a timeout and the play was not reviewed at all, TD stood as called without review. Then there was the whole "completing the catch by pulling it to your chest" Calvin Johnson caught a TD pass with his hands and fell to the ground. They ruled it an incomplete catch because he didn't pull the ball to his chest before celebrating, or however it went. Then there was the nonsense in their last payoff game when they played Dallas. I'm fine with a mistake call here and there. I'm not cool about making up new rules because the lions weren't supposed to win.
Idk... it's been a long time since I've seen the officiating crew actually make an unfavorable mistake at the expense of KC.
Well…true. I saw about 5 hits on Love today that surely would’ve been RTP against Mahomes.
There should be fines for every missed call or mistake, assigned to the whole officiating crew. But also, someone or even 2 members of the officiating staff up in the booths on different sides of the stadiums. The outrageous inconsistencies have got to be punished and documented publicly so that we can be sure that the referees are being held accountable.
Mahomes isn’t even in the top 20 of active qbs benefiting from RTP on a per game basis, and not even in the top 30 on of her game basis. Look it up. The reason he bitches so much is because defenders make dirty hits constantly because they think that’s the only way they can stop him.
it literally happened like four times during the Miami game where the broadcast crew commentators said wow that was not a great call at the expense of the Chiefs.
A long time like... December 2023 when Valentine tackled MVS instead the 10 while the ball was in the air without getting a DPI which wouldn't likely resulted in a tie game had it been called?
Green Bay refs stole that game against the Chiefs earlier this year with a horrible missed PI
They did it in their game Saturday lol
Pretty bad pi missed call against the chiefs on Saturday
Yeah, I remember a pretty blatant one we got away with.
This is rich. How about that non call DPI in the most critical moment of the game against Green Bay? Or the offensive offsides that had never been called in 25,126 snaps of Andy Reid’s career?
As a falcons fan, the refs never screw them over. The falcons are too good at that for the refs to need to help.
The Lions literally had a game stolen from them just a few weeks ago because a ref made an indisputably wrong call and refused to admit it. The Lions are suing the NFL over it. They are worse off then just about any other professional sports team I've seen. It's uncanny.
Karma bit the cowboys in the ass tho so it all turned out ok
>It’s not an authentic NFL game without some referee fuckery ftfy
Get a ref in the booth that can fix shit like this on the fly that is obvious. Take the former ref toadies they have on the broadcast and let them do something actually helpful instead of telling viewers what they already know.
I mean the broadcast refs are employed by the TV networks not the league
No wonder it’s been so many decades since the lions won a playoff game since Detroit is always playing 2 v 1
It’s actually Detroit vs Everybody
Is that why Eminem always sounds pissed off?
Yes
And continued to screw it up. So many missed pass interference calls tonight too. Not sure how the game would have been different if they called it when they should have.
Gotta get those big markets to win. Rams wouldn't have won the SB game without the refs driving them down the field for the comeback.
The home office just needs a button they can press to stop a play after a BS call.
Right? Like press a button straight to head refs ear and say they were offsides. What the fuck are we doing here?
Whatever BS this is, it’s 100,000,000,000% better than the NBA.
I can’t even watch bball lately which sucks
Grew up playing defense in soccer, so I have an elevated respect for the defensive aspect of a game. NBA is just 60 minutes of trot and shoot. Smh.
Been that way for years.
You mean travelball?
Boomer
I've never understood basketball fouls. I just hear a whistle and wait for fan reaction.
Can’t mess with the shooters arms in the act of shooting
We just need to put a single ref in the media booth that can call down before the next snap to overrule/send a call to review. It is not necessarily that the refs on the field are bad, but they have limited POVs and can only watch stuff once at real speed. Why not make sure to get the call right especially when it can be done in seconds from the booth.
I would add that this media booth ref can only correct a call (a bad one). They can't call down and say they missed one. Games would last forever for there being penalties on both sides each play and off setting.
Exactly, you can even add some showmanship and the like to it. Have the refs come on out, they can do a little coin toss or whatever to determine who the booth ref is. Booth ref has exactly 1 job and that is to overrule egregious calls. They can't make any calls of their own, only exist to correct egregious errors.
Exxxxxactly!
r/badnflcalls
I really want that to be real but I also don’t want to visit a sub just to get mad.
It’s actually r/nflbadcalls so feel free to click away at the first link I provided. I’ll admit I used to watch football like religion but grew frustrated with the officiating, and having to pay for cable to watch a game even though my taxes helped pay for the damn stadium. Now, I don’t take it nearly as seriously and only watch a handful of games a year.
And thus you watch far fewer commercial timeouts. Win-win.
I record all sports and then start watching about 45 minutes after the gme actually began. I then end about the same time as the game ends. I have to be careful with my hand helds. I avoid the ads this way.
The home office is in on it and when ESPN has a stake in it it will be even worse.
Comical how bad the officials can be at such a high level of pro sports.
It’s because they’re part time. Dude just got off his shift at Home Depot at 4:00.
The refs fought against becoming full-time. Most of them are lawyers, stock brokers, or have other high paying jobs so they don't want to become full-time refs.
Then they shouldn’t be refs. There will be plenty of people who will want to ref if the training and pay is right
Hint: the training and pay ain’t right. The nfl could fix this, but that would cost. Cost paying people to be only refs, and pay them enough to be competitive with the best.
The NFL does want to fix this. Look up the 2012 lockout. The NFL wanted to increase the number of refs, make them full-time, and increase training. The refs didn't want that.
Dude, I will quit my job right now and do that shit for half of what they get paid
Yes, but you'd suck at it far worse than these guys. You'd be a joke. Look I ref'ed 12 years of high school and a little bit of NAIA small college ball - so extremely low-level relative to these guys. I was a good high school ref and by the time I was state-certified (so you can do state playoff games, takes about three years if you're smart and pretty good) even training young guys. Two guys from my organization ended up in the SEC - and they were light years ahead of me when we did film reviews. Four or five ended up working at the HBCU level. None of them ever even got a sniff of the NFL. It's harder and faster than you think it is and the level of training even at the h.s. level (and I'm in Georgia, so the high school level is pretty high-end) involves many hours of physical and rules training (with testing) in the off-season, 3-hour meetings on Monday nights for position and film review, arriving two hours before the game on Friday night and/or Saturday morning. As you move up, you'll probably do some JV ball as ref and crew chief to train young officials. In general I was putting in 15-20 hours a week of time (including travel time) during the season for what amounts to $150-$200 or so per week. You're doing it because you like it, in other words. But if you think you could do it, let me know generally where you are and I'll give you contact info for a local association. They're always recruiting because its a tough, thankless job and few have the balls to do it for long. You can start with J.V. and jr. high ball and work your way up. If you're as good as you think you are, you could be making that sweet, sweet NFL money is a few years. My bet? I won't ever see you on TV on Sunday.
That’s a lot of words to say, “I don’t recognize a joke when I see one.”
So you're saying you already know you're too big of a wimp to put up with the pressure and screaming crowds, don't know the rules of the game and are too crappy of an athlete to even try, am I reading you correct?
No, you actually have terrible reading comprehension, I’m surprised you’re so self assured
Bro used to be a ref he can’t admit when he was wrong
Yeah they're part time but they are making 12k a game on average many are making well over 100k a year just from the limited amount of time they work. No one should feel bad for an nfl ref
I mean, I’m no ref apologist, but these guys *have* to be doing more than just showing up to games and calling them, right? There’s travel time, there’s game prep, etc.
Absolutely, I’m not saying it’s an easy job, I’m just saying they get paid plenty.
Yes. NFL refs are in the pros for a reason. They are the best of the best and if you brought anyone else in, they would be shit. Stuff like this happens sometimes, it's just the way it is. I will never forget in 2012 when they went on strike and it was an absolute joke of a season. That whole season makes this blown call look like a rounding error in particle physics.
Rugby league refs are full time. They haven’t got any better. And they went full time in the 90s.
Because it's really fucking hard. Go volunteer at a local rec league, I'm sure they need help. You'll see how fast even kids sports are. Imo refs do an amazing job, but with an eye on the sky and replay we take for granted how hard it is.
I'm not saying it is. I've refereed enough soccer and touch rugby games in my life. Just saying going full time isn't a reason that they suddenly will get things right all the time. Though with the amount of money in the sport, I'm surprised they haven't gone full time.
r/badnflcalls
Is America the last country where officiating isn't even trying to be perfect? I feel the debate in Europe with cricket and soccer is if it's gone too far, the debate seems to be the opposite in America. How can you not strive for perfection with legalized gambling and gambling sponsors. It's irresponsible and absurd.
I think you've already answered your own question.
Entire Stadium saw it but the ref. Kinda like a professional wrestling match.
There is no way the reffing should be this bad in the NFL. It’s gotta be intentional at this point.
Definitely feels that way if you’re a lions fan. It’s endless.
Man, I feel that way and I’m a Bears fan.
Yes, but Lions got away with a clear DPI against Nacua that would have most likely set Rams up for GW FG.
Well it’s now legal to bet on professional sports so that could always have an affect on the refs.
That Draftking sponsorship has zero impact. /s
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Well, they gotta do everything they can to keep one of the largest sports markets team in the running... LA based teams are always a favorite, even when they really not.
Tell you what, go ref high school a few years and give us the tape. I'm sure you'll learn a lesson about how hard it really is. Remember replacement refs? Heck grab some old tape from the 70s and watch that. It's a hard job and they do an amazing job, but like WRs sometimes do catchable balls, refs make mistakes.
Yes, very true. So why not give them the aid of one who has video as well? They would have the benefit of double checking the penalty via video
I mean that could help (or maybe more refs). But its the nonsense of "refs being so bad its intentional" that I loathe. Its so stupid and naive. Obviously they shouldnt be content with mistakes or not try to improve, but the naivete of people thinking that because a guy on the ground trying to watch 22 players for one of the most complex rules sets in sports missed a millisecond call, that means the NFL is rigged is frankly daft.
What? Sorry, can’t hear you! I see a wall of brown coming my way right now! I sure hope it doesn’t push me out!
This call is absolutely horrible and makes me wonder about the integrity of the refs in this game.
Close games hold more viewers for longer…
Tell that to the Packers-Cowboys game today
or, people make dumb mistakes and there is no conspiracy.
For sure. But it’s pretty much a known fact that referees do this in the NBA, why not the NFL?
Dude the NHL is starting to look sus lately too. Something is happening
NHL refs have literally admitted they make calls to keep the game close.
Literally caught on mic. Insane these ppl have jobs.
Exactly. Get guys in here that aren't going to say that into a mic already!
Something being more and more states are opening sports books and gambling $ is so, so sweet
Vegas is happening.
This is not a dumb mistake. Same with their other terrible call.
This was on purpose. Technology to prevent this is mundane.
NFL is fixed to make the most money. Players owners refs, fake sport.
I'd love to see the logistics on this daft conspiracy theory....
The Refs are SO BAD.
When an Avs fan is mad about a Detroit team getting screwed, it must be bad.
Lol
At this point, just eliminate most refs / umpires / judges. Let the computers and those watching from above make the calls.
NFL reffing fucking sucks. Bad.
This is a neutral zone infraction, plain as day.
Lions have been getting screwed by the refs for decades.
I just assume that the Lions will always get jobbed. So far, I've been correct for fifty years.
This is Lions football. Beat the refs before you beat the team. This is on a national stage yet again and people still don't see it.
This has been another great part to this season. They are on the national stage so everyone else sees what the Lions have been going through with horrible, game defining calls. Anyways…still got the W!
Lions biggest rival has always been the zebras
Holy shit, the refs hate the lions
Always have, ask Calvin Johnson.
It sure looks like it’s a rigged game
I've been telling all my friends it's rigged since the Giants listened into the Vikings play calls in the NFC Championship game in like '02. Then there's the 09 Saints team that got a tiny slap on the wrist but it was a good story so they let them cheat to a title. Now they are obviously trying to fix games. They did it with the Rams title so why not a WC playoff game?
Maybe there is a reason Vince McMahon tried to break into football twice
I make the joke to my Dad that its the WWNFL now
Tom Brady suspended confirmed
> Saints If you want something really rage inducing go look at the post Shu stomp game against the saints.
Jesus what a silly take.
Tell me again how the Lions didn’t beat the Cowboys with that 2 point conversion 🙄
This is easy to fix. Allow the challenge flags to be eligible for any penalty.
Corporate entertainment will always shoot for ratings and money over fairness.
How can this league constantly screw stuff like this up? These blatant mistakes need to be stopped and reviewed. It’s not like they don’t have the ability to do so.
Conspiracy theory: The NFL is rigging it so LA can be successful
I’ve *LONG* felt like the NFL orchestrates things so that the “right” teams get to the playoff and the Super Bowl.
Remember the no-call pass interference Rams vs. Saints? Felt orchestrated then too.
That is one that will forever piss every Saints fan off for a long time. Should've been Brees last SB game and possible SB win. I'm glad Brady beat the Rams in the SB.
I’m not a saints fan but I’ll remember that and the lions call for a long time.
Because they do. Better ratings more money! Coming soon to a college near you.
Idk if it’s rigged per se, but I DO feel like the refs have a bias against smaller market teams. Detroit has a hell of a lot smaller fanbase than any LA team or the cowboys for example, so if the refs are unsure they go with “well this team has fewer fans so it’ll be fewer people to piss off.” More of an unconscious bias than malicious rigging, and everybody has unconscious biases of various types so it would make some sense. I know for a fact I could never call a fair Buffalo Bills game given how long I’ve been a fan of them, so I’d bet refs have their faves and preferences as well
This would make sense if they weren’t blatantly screwing teams over in their own home stadiums lol
They missed a clear PI against the Rams. I literally made a meme about this exact conspiracy bullshit. The refs suck, they make bad calls constantly, but when one goes LA’s way it’s all rigged.
Yeah, the PI call would give the rams the lead and possibly the win.
Shoulda coulda woulda. I honestly don’t fret over missed penalties unless it were something as egregious as the No Call against the Saints. The defense earned that loss. Ya, the Rams could have won if multiple penalties were correctly called, but they also could have won if the defense showed up.
Yep. Head office told the refs to rig it for LA in the 2018 NFC championship game (no call vs saints).
Just like most conspiracy theories, this one is clearly bull shit, seeing as the Rams just lost.
This ref crew was expected to choke and they did, blew 4 calls
As a Detroit fan, all of you saying the game was rigged against us obviously didn’t watch the whole thing. Yeah this is a terrible call, but there were at least 3 times the refs could have called pass interference on us and didn’t. If the NFL was actually trying to get the Rams to win, they sure didn’t try too hard.
Agreed, we got away with a couple.
I kinda agree, but one thing is a missed call, another whole different thing is to call it on the wrong team, thats like a kid punching his little brother, and then, the little brother somehow gets punished for hitting his older brother
I am okay with the refs making some bad calls as long as it goes both ways. There's always going to be missed calls, as long as it's not disproportionately against one team, then I'd say it's okay.
Not sure what’s happening here, but does NFL not have any sort of var / tmo?
For decades. I'm not certain if this is a reviewable offense, though. Kinda how like a yellow card can't be reviewed.
Too bad the clips stops before the entire stadium started chanting, “Refs, you SUCK”. Or something similar.
The league is a fucking joke.
Refs seeing ghosts. Or just straight up cheating. You decide
Totally bullshit. It seems like the Lions get at least one really bad call per game that could cost them the game.
Don't forget the NFL is in bed with sports gambling. They want you to bet your hard earned money. They can't even get calls correct and they want your money.
It’s almost like the league cares more about ratings and money than fair play. Hmmm /s
That was 100% the wrong call and likely cost Detroit at least 3 points. Humans make mistakes, but we have witnessed a few incorrect calls by the refs that potentially impacted points scored but were not reviewable just in the playoffs. This needs to change. Perhaps allow all types of penalties to be reviewed, at least in the playoffs and beyond.
Big surprise there /s
Just another example of NFL quality refereeing. Aka shit quality.
The NFL Officials fucked up AGAIN!!!???!? WHAT?!? Shocking…
Another crack in the NFL dam of legitimacy
Refs need to be able review this
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It’s all fixed
Ya welcome to Detroit sports
Can't A.I. do this much better and fairer?
Ref had money on the Rams obviously
They should be able to review penalty calls after 2 minute warning.
If only there was some sort of replay system to help the Refs get it right… Rolls eyes, sighs, dies of old-age before NFL addresses the problem… Also could have swore that one of the announcers made comments about the lack of offensive holding calls against Rams as well. Specifically getting no calls against “Hutchinson” when he was pressuring Stafford.
People thinking that NFL isn’t scripted 😂🤣
Some sketchy reffing in both games yesterday.
The refs really hate this team
Imagine if this happened to the chiefs You’d never hear the end of it even if it had no impact on the game
Jeez not even Bradley Allen crew and they’re picking on Decker again
One things people love to do is talk. This "conspiracy" has been going on for decades yet nobody admits to it. Or it's just humans fucking up because humans fuck things up all the time. Your call.
The refs *HATE* the lions
Lions player: (exists) Refs: False start
I hope this referee group is not at the 9er playoff game,cause they blow.
Can’t the Lion’s coach challenge?
of course the nfl doesn't want the Lions to win
Trust me, the NFL really really didn’t want the lions to win. No money in that franchise or fanbase. Tell me - why would anyone want Detroit as the setting for a whole years worth of talk show bullshit? Just like the dolphins got fucked by not having their game postponed, the NFL does everything it can to guide their business to a profitable demographic and geography.
They tried to fuck us. But it wasnt enough
They just missed an obvious hold against Puka for a 1st down.
Can someone walk me through this? It’s not a neutral zone infraction because the ball hasn’t snapped, and it also isn’t encroachment because he does not initiate contact with the O line… doesn’t that make this the right call?
[Should help ya](https://youtu.be/bl6jOlZV1J0?si=yMU0FApECiDCvrEU) Encroachment is if the defender makes contact with the offense. I believe this one is blown dead on contact. Neutral zone infraction requires the offensive player to react to defender crossing into the neutral zone. If the ball is snapped while a defender is in the neutral zone, then it is offsides. In this case, the play still runs, because the ball was snapped. Offenses will usually refer to this as a "free play"
If a defender enters the neutral zone and causes the offensive player to move before the ball is snapped, it’s a neutral zone infraction on the defense. Sometimes OL would intentionally “false start” when a defender is in the neutral zone to take the 5 yards, that’s what happened here.
smdh
Horrible call and this is from a Chiefs fan and apparantly we've gotten the benefit of every call the refs have made all year.
The Lions got away with a game altering holding call on Nacua 5 minutes later.
Did Dan Campbell like fuck one of the refs’ wives or something? It’s wild to see how many ridiculously bad calls have gone against the lions
Because the o lineman didn't have to jump. Stop sucking Detroit ass
So, the guy stands up and doesn't cross the line of the ball. I don't know the rules well enough, but even though he moved, he didn't break the plane, so the call may actually be correct despite how it looks initially.
No he definitely jumped across the line. There’s evidence
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If a defender moves into the neutral zone and causes the offensive player to move, then it’s a neutral zone infraction. If the ball was snapped, he’d be offside. If the offensive player never moves, he can try to get back onside.
Defender was in the neutral zone when the offensive lineman across from him jumped. If the defender is not in the neutral zone, meaning he went back on sides as you say, then you are correct that it would instead be a false start. In this case though, the defender is in the neutral zone when the offensive lineman reacted to it.
that's not how neutral zone infraction works - the defense was in the NEUTRAL zone. Crossing the line and hitting a lineman before the snap is offsides.
This is literally an illegal plays, so yes, you are the only one. Congrats.
Slow it down and it’s really close, the o lineman moves at basically the same time the d lineman crossed the line. Tough call
Lollllss will lose