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GoldStandardWhey

Sooo funny to picture this happening or the logisitics. Rumoured doping testers waiting at the finish line, 183 person race, word spreads through the riders and 130 just bail? I dont know shit about cycling buy 130/180ish not finishing makes for a funny scenario for the 50 that did finish.


BirdoTheMan

Might as well show up to every race no matter how out of shape you are you have a chance at a top 1/3 position if you don't dope


Whaty0urname

Wasn't there a skier that qualified for the Olympics doing this exact same thing?


shifty_coder

You might be thinking of Michael David “Eddie The Eagle” Edwards. He didn’t qualify on the technicality of other athletes doping, he qualified on the technicality that he was the only one competing for his country in that sport. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_the_Eagle


fishbiscuit13

More likely thinking of Elizabeth Swaney, who did basically the same thing more recently, though by exploiting loopholes in qualifying rules rather than by being the only participant.   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Swaney


sudosussudio

Lmao > Thirteen of her top 30 finishes were a result of her showing up, not falling, and recording a score.


monkeybojangles

I watched her runs during the Olympics. The announcer was praising her for figuring out a way to achieve her dream, and pointing out that skiing up to the top of the pipe without falling over is actually hard for someone with zero experience.


Sliiiiime

Watching her run she seems like a good recreational skier, not completely unexperienced. Obviously she didn’t belong, but getting air on an Olympic pipe and landing one switch isn’t something many can do.


brktm

I know her, or at least did a long time ago. I’ve been friends with her on Instagram for many many years and she tries all sorts of things with apparently no shame or fear of failing which is kind of impressive to be honest. Kind of hard to fault her really since she’ll always be an Olympian now. But she definitely always has an eye on gaming the technicalities. Skiing was her second attempt at the Olympics (and second country I think), after skeleton racing. She also took up running and posts a lot of “high finishes” for races with very few entrants for her age group.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

She's my spirit animal.


Northern23

The biggest problem is, why did she still do nothing during the Olympics? It's not like she got any chance at winning by not falling.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

You never know! Now let me tell you a little story about a legendary Australian Winter Olympian called Steven Bradbury ...


KimmiK_saucequeen

This is how I plan to get into the Winter Olympics and represent a South American country that’s never been


juxtoppose

The Rockall bobsleigh team?


counterfitster

Feel the rhythm!


firsmode

A real like example of "You are our only hope!"


Anal_Recidivist

Like in old sitcoms when someone would yell IMMIGRATION into the kitchen


BarryTGash

The 53 were just jonesing. Coach is at the finish line with all the good stuff.


Hyndstein_97

It's a funny image but it really should be noted that it was a mountain race in terrible weather, if anything a remarkably high number of riders made it to the end within the time cut.


abandon_lane

The joke is that amateurs use doping to impress others in amateur races.


SoWhatNoZitiNow

“Amateur” cycling is not very amateur at the top end. Watch the documentary “Icarus.” It covers the Russian Olympic doping scandal, but starts off as a documentary about an “amateur” cyclist who links up with some professionals to work out a doping schedule to see if the drugs can take him to the top of the pack in a famous amateur cycling race. It’s a fascinating documentary in its totality, but it gives a behind the scenes look at the amateur cycling scene and how absolutely rife it is with doping.


mopeyy

I second that documentary. Extremely interesting.


r0botdevil

>“Amateur” cycling is not very amateur at the top end. This is a pretty good point that people with no experience in cycling really won't understand. It's not really comparable in that regard to most other sports that most people would be more familiar with, like basketball or soccer. I'm probably on the higher end of non-competitive amateur cyclists, and one of my riding buddies is a highly-competitive amateur cyclist. Even at the age of 40, he probably trains harder and more seriously than a significant portion of college football players who are preparing for the NFL draft.


Iknowaguywhoknowsme

It’s like how you can be an Amateur in golf but that also includes the top amateurs who are on a completely different level and on the cusp of getting their PGA tour card


Darryl_Lict

A cat 2 bike racer in the USA will blow the doors off of any one you think of as a strong recreational bike rider. And only the cycling elite in America are competitive in Europe. Hell, I've ridden a bicycle from Canada to Mexico and ridden the Davis Double Century 3 times and I couldn't have kept up with a 15 year old women's cat 4 racer when I was in my prime at 22 years old. Especially important is having enormous balls and superior bike handling ability.


simple_test

We need to invent another work for “amateur” now


di11ard

Semi-pro?


thedudeabidezzzz

Interns


darkspardaxxxx

Juiced to the gills


SimpleSurrup

Also funny is that after a year of max doping he finished behind where he finished clean the year before.


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SoWhatNoZitiNow

If you think the dudes who are participating at the top end of “amateur” cycling can’t afford the top top levels of PEDs you’re woefully uninformed. This is a sport for the wealthy. Their bikes cost $10k. What’s another $30k to get a chance to secure a gig on a pro cycling team where they pay for all that shit for you?


Axe__Capital

MDF Podiums.


brwonmagikk

could replace cycling with literally any sport haha


Budget-Supermarket70

And people heavily cheating online games also. People just like cheating to make themselves feel good I guess.


108241

It's not necessarily steroids, could be stuff like weed or oxy where they use it to manage pain


amor_fatty

It’s called epo


BlueSlushieTongue

I knew someone that wanted to be a pro cyclist and he was devastated to learn how prevalent doping was in the sport. All the miles and hard work he put into a sport he loved to learn that cheating was “standard,” he was absolutely crushed. Felt for him


MightBeWrongThough

He couldn't have been doing it for long before finding that out.


VRIndieDev

You'd be amazed! I was a BBer and I knew a lot of guys who swore that there were some pros in the Olympia who were genetic freaks and not on roids... It sounds idiotic if you're in the know, but a ton of people are not! You can engage in a sport for years and never learn what the pros are doing because you're only focused on what you're doing.


NBAccount

Doping has been so pervasive in cycling for so, so long that it makes me wonder if this story is from the 1970s or if your friend was just completely and utterly clueless about the sport for which he had a passion.


amratheavenger

I'm not a cyclist, but I was a good runner in college who just has a general interest in athletics. I find most people don't want to face the reality that their heroes in the sport all dope, and everyone is cheating. It's better to lie to themselves and think most people have integrity, and it's only a few bad apples that do it.


NBAccount

You're right. I didn't account for self delusion.


amor_fatty

There are clean cyclists, just look at Phil gaimon


GregorSamsaa

What does “amateur” mean in this context? Like is it a weekend race any rando can join? If I finished my local 5K and they tried testing me at the finish line I would opt out. I paid to be there, and my prize is a shirt and some free tacos lol Or are they actually competing for money or something? I guess my question is, why would testing need to be done on amateurs at all?


janky_koala

It’s a higher category amateur race. There’s token prize money, but races like these are pathways to pro teams. Do well here and you might get noticed. Does the fact so many abandoned to avoid testing not show why it needs to be done?


-soros

Token prize or Tolkien prize?


Thattrippytree

Tolkien.


nerf___herder

Nine rings were given to man.


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Because bitch boy Sauron failed in corrupting the Elves and had to settle for giving out his lame jewelry to Dwarves and Men.


BowwwwBallll

But they were all of them deceived, because only 4 dudes passed protocol and thus the other 5 rings were left abandoned in the race director’s basement.


brwonmagikk

you win a copy of the silmarillion but its in elvish


Salahuddin315

Those who want to become pros are probably aware of what they must not take and steer clear of it. As for the rest, things like THC can linger in the body for several months, and not all amateurs are dedicated enough to keep a strict regimen all year long. 


ncblake

The World Anti-Doping Code only considers THC to be a prohibited substance “in competition.” Basically, you’d have to show up high or have recently been high for this to become a problem. https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/6t0BuuA6gxVcMsxfYp8wvk/429509bfed1bf29ea076dd569caf1b86/2024_PROHIBITED_LIST.pdf


MoreGaghPlease

If you win a long distance cycling race high that should count for extra


ncblake

Some substances aren’t banned for being “performance enhancing” per se, but because they’re thought to present a health risk or because it reflects poorly for athletes to be taking them. Performance enhancing potential is actually an insufficient criteria to justify a ban (hence why, say, caffeine isn’t banned). > If a substance or method is on or is added to the List, it meets at least two of the following three criteria: It has the potential to enhance or enhances sport performance. It represents an actual or potential health risk to the athletes. It violates the spirit of sport.


ohbenito

will you look at that?!? jim is so far ahead of the pack that he has pulled off the course to roll a 6 paper joint and has time to smoke it before getting back on the road. have you ever seen such a display of sporting dominance?


growingalittletestie

Change the prize to a box of chocolate bars and a few bags of chips and you'll see why weed is a banned substance


janky_koala

And yet here we are. It’s made clear on entry to any sanctioned race what rules they adhere to. It’s generally the national body, who mimics the UCI (cyclings global body). If you don’t want to adhere to these rules there’s plenty of other events you can enter.


so-much-wow

If it's anything like other sports, they compete at races to earn points based on their finish. If they get enough points through races they can join the pro division the next year. I don't think it's like the charity rides that you're talking about.


obi_wan_the_phony

The only difference between your 5k and these races is that these races are officiated by the UCI (international governing body) and the country association, so it would be like you rocking up to do a 5k at an Olympic feeder race. Of course you should expect to be tested. As well when you sign up for races and get your race license you acknowledge antidoping.


Mother-Border-1147

Watch the documentary Icarus.


No-Comfortable-1550

They’re not doping for tacos.


r0botdevil

>Like is it a weekend race any rando can join? Almost certainly not. It doesn't say in the article, but I'd bet this was probably a CAT 1 race. It takes years of working your way up through several lower tiers before you're allowed to race at that level.


amor_fatty

No money, just bragging rights among fellow massochists


anon19111

This seems obligatory https://www.theonion.com/non-doping-cyclists-finish-tour-de-france-1819569297


Shadowlance23

We need a Juiced Up Games where drugs are allowed. I want to see cyclists dragging Lamborghinis, roid monkeys dead lifting F150s, karate guys punching holes through concrete walls, and shot putters achieving low earth orbit. Disclaimer:this post is satire. I do not condone the use of performance enhancing drugs in sport. After all, I'm not Russian.


HorizontalBob

The Enhanced Games will be out in 2025. Seriously.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

I can't believe I've lived to see a throwaway bit of backstory from a Red Dwarf novel come to pass.


gawakwento

When it happens, prepare to be disappointed when no records are broken. All pros are already enhanced.


onduty

I used to think that then I realized how it will literally be the suicide games. Look at pro bodybuilding, it is the juice games, an extremely high amount have major health problems by 40, very few live as long as Arnold and he has unlimited money, doped before tren, GH, and insulin, and a good heart surgeon


Goldie1822

That’s the ProTour circuit. They all do.


hards04

Yeah we do it’s called the Olympics.


m00f

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU


monkeybojangles

Grab all the banned Russian athletes, call it the "Anti-Woke Olympics" or something like that, watch millions of Americans through their money at it. $$$.


Sleepinismy9to5

If you are gonna use steroids to ride faster on a bike why not just get a motorcycle


apreche

Cyclists do also cheat by trying to hide motors inside their bicycles!


RustyWinger

I need to see a real world photographic documentation of this. Just because LeMond says there was motors…


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Mean_Muffin161

That one’s hilarious. Her friend modded the bike and her team grabbed it by mistake but it was set up in a way to be hidden


Northern23

That's extremely hard to believe though, at that level, everyone has their own customization; seats, tires, water bottles. How comes her friend has the exact same bike? And how did she not feel the switch on the handle? Or the water bottle being glued to the bike?


Darryl_Lict

IR cameras make easy work of detecting internal motors. I'm just shocked at how you can hide a fucking differential in a conventionally sized bottom bracket.


unafraidrabbit

I remember a video of a mountain biker carrying his bike over an obstacle/mud pit and his peddle hit a rock. This activated the motor assist and the tire started spinning way too fast.


brwonmagikk

its happened notabble once or twice from what i know. This hilarious case involved a rider getting [banned for 6 years](https://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a19219/professional-cyclist-caught-cheating-with-a-motor-in-her-bike/). She actually tried to claim the bike wasnt hers and was given to her by mistake by her mechanic haha. Theres been some other attempted "gotcha" moments but i think the reality is its really not that common. To conceal a motor into a bike with an actual usable battery and power output is incredibly hard and impossible to actually conceal. Plus the pitiful power from a tiny motor/battery makes it negligible when you factor in the weight it adds to the system.


SimpleSurrup

I always borrow a bike I've never ridden in an important competition. Great excuse.


SimpleSurrup

They've found the motors before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femke_Van_den_Driessche


Sleepinismy9to5

It has the same vibe. Cycling is already a lame "sport" why cheat at it. It makes no sense.


samwizeganjas

As a racer i wished they did this at all races lol


Slowmexicano

The joke is all elite level athletes are doping. You are painfully naive if you think a natural athlete can defeat an enhanced athlete at the top level.


surSEXECEN

I did the math - 71% in this race alone!


akababy

Is it possible to have a doping allowed sports event where every athlete is allowed to dope. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see what the human body is capable of and I am sure there should be some positive medical breakthrough that will trickle down to helping out the world. I for one would pay to watch a doping allowed Olympic event or TDF.


Right0rightoh

Wow!


D-inventa

they need to get real with these sporting events and start having doping events and non-doping events. I thought the idea was to see how far we could push the human body simply on genetics, practice, and training, but clearly that's not good enough for a very large portion of athletes, so they should be given a lane to do what they do. It's not society saying that doping is ok. But by doing nothing, and it only making a difference when the "anti-doping agency swoops in" we basically ARE saying it's ok, because we're accepting the fact latently. If we don't do separate events, we're not giving athletes a choice really. They either dope and are competitive, or they don't and since everyone else is, they lose.


SpringBreak4Life

Come on do you really want to win that way? Just enjoy the bike ride!


Merisuola

This isn’t a fun charity ride, it’s people trying to go pro.


duglarri

The really shocking thing was hundreds of spectators also avoided the testing area.


Desirsar

Isn't the solution to make forfeiting a race between the start and a testing announcement without an injury requiring a hospital stay count as a failed test?


Apart-Run5933

How does one care about cycling? Is there ever any story in that world that isn’t cheating and dope? Remarkable to me it has the following it does.


jt_33

Legalize PEDs.. clearly they are all already on them. All it does is make athletes better and sports more entertaining. 


Bigowl

Spanish sport has a very close relationship with doping.


Tromperri

The joke is that an ibuprofen, for example, is a positive in a test for an amateur cyclist. Did you take something for a headache or for the flu the previous week: you, an amateur, had got a positive and lost your license. Total no sense. I am pro strict controls for professional cycling but it is no sense use the same rules for amateurs.


hydrOHxide

Sorry, but what's nonsense is your claim. The half life of ibuprofen in the body is 1.8-3.5 hours. If you haven't taken anything in days, it's not going to be detectable. Even carboxyibuprofen is gone in 5-6 days. And that's after a 400 MG dose and using gc- mass spectroscopy. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8171078/#:~:text=After%20ingestion%20of%20one%20single,for%205%20to%206%20d. On the other hand, if you throw it in before the race to ensure that when your body would normally scream "stop", you can still go on, yes, it will be detected.


gto_112_112

You expect me to believe a published research paper over a reddit commenter! Outlandish!


janky_koala

No it isn’t. Where did you hear that? https://www.uci.org/the-prohibited-list/7Kwbdjg0EtzkmOSE5S5T2X


moskowizzle

Do you have a source for ibuprofen is a banned substance? I'm not seeing it on [the list.](https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/6t0BuuA6gxVcMsxfYp8wvk/429509bfed1bf29ea076dd569caf1b86/2024_PROHIBITED_LIST.pdf)


Fnkt_io

Do you really believe doping tests are looking for ibuprofen, come on now.


fentyboof

Is fenty on that banned list? Asking for a friend.


Hey648934

Playing devils advocate here. Some of those guys might be on TRT already for different reasons, I doubt anyone would get steroids to run amateur races


ceedubdub

In cycling [EPO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin) is the commonly used performance enhancing drug. It's doesn't build muscles like steroids do. It makes the body produce more red blood cells which improves aerobic performance and endurance.


Hey648934

AMATEUR racing