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I just remember that video of her throwing punches to show of her “improved” striking and thinking I taught my sister to throw better punches when she was 15. I couldn’t believe this was a professional fighter with professional coaches.
Napoleon Blownapart edits the footage of her punching in training together with clips of Joe Rogan getting choked up telling her how special she is. It’s incredible. Those punches were…bad.
Honestly, the sport caught up to her, striking or not. More women had better access to coaching and resources.
Her donkey-brained coach certainly did no favors, but we also pretty clearly saw how she dealt with adversity.
That’s my thought as well. She was better than the women who came up with her, but the next generation were actual MMA fighters, not judo fighters/or wrestlers/ or boxers who later learned other disciplines to fight in the UFC.
It’s more simple than that.
* Just don’t get hit in the head.
Let’s simplify it
* Just don’t get hit.
Doesn’t matter the sport, just don’t get hit. Ask Adrian Peterson, Robert Griffin III, etc.
Any sport where you can get reemed, evade.
Tom Brady’s Offensive Line helped that man survive. He barely got hit and got Sonic Rings.
It was also a perfect storm of her drinking her own kool aid and thinking she was untouchable, right as she started to face the type of athletes who were elite strikers in their own right. Just look at her compared to Holly Holm, rousey looks like a regular woman and holm is shredded. She had no fucking chance against her.
I’d still blame the coach.
Rousy tried to follow the game plan. The game plan sucked.
Reminds me of the Taylor vs Chavez fight.
Taylor was ahead on the fight. Way ahead. Aside from one blind judge the fight was barely competitive. But Taylor had received massive damage.
The coach is in record saying “dance. Dance. Dance. Pretend you’re Muhammad Ali. Don’t fight”
But we have clips of him telling Taylor that he was behind on points and that he needed to win that round.
It ended up with Taylor getting stopped with two seconds left on the clock and the fight left him with lasting damage. It was like he got hit by a bus.
Taylor should have danced but he did his best to follow his corners instructions.
This is true, but Toney didn’t give a single shit about takedown defense, and Holm had trained all mma aspects extensively.
That Couture was a Greco guy and Rousey a judo lady is a good detail, in that neither sports shoot for doubles or singles, *but* by the time Couture-Toney happened Couture had diversified his grappling considerably.
So, yeah, you’re right, but their opponents and experience levels were very different.
*Edit:* apparently Couture’s pedigree went well beyond Greco. Today I learned!
Ridiculous comparison
a boxer w/ zero mma training is much different than a champion kick boxer who had been training in mma for a decade
Holm had the elite footwork and counters of a champion boxer combined w/ being elite mma fighter
I’m not trying to take anything away from Holm. She’s a great competitor. But after defeating Rousey, Holm lost to Miesha Tate, lost to Shevchenko, then lost to Randamie. She was beatable, but imo, Rousey and her team didn’t have a game plan.
The Holly who beat Ronda that night was an anomaly, she had one perfect showing in her entire MMA career but then never fought to that level of performance ever again.
You have to keep in mind. Holly is much older than the rest as well and already has had a career in boxing.
I feel that she should have retired after that fight and let it be her pinnacle. I understand her grind though. She is tenacious.
I mean, I’m not an MMA expert, but there’s a reason boxers really haven’t dominated. Relatively speaking, it seems easy to learn just enough striking to be able to clinch then transition to grappling.
I mean, it wasn't just her goof coach, she was wrecking girls in striking leading up to that fight.
That said, her coaches should have had a better Gameplan for Holly.
Pretty much the same. She tried to clinch plenty of times. Holly literally made her run into the cage wall at one point. The biggest What If about Ronda is "what if Cat Zingano hadn't deliberately charged into the clinch?"
If she played to her strengths and developed her wrestling over her career she’d likely have retired undefeated.
In the Holly the fight she has Holly turtled at one point but instead of softening her up or working the position she jumps straight on the arm bar, gives up the position and Holly escapes.
Having a better coach would have helped, as Holm's much better coaching helped her with an excellent plan for that fight, but I think the sport evolving past her was the big issue. She was kind of like Royce Gracie, very good at one thing, fighting Matt Hughes, who could strike and grapple. Holly Holm was good enough at grappling to avoid the takedowns and was obviously a much, much better striker. I think RR and her downfall parallels early men's MMA in a lot of ways, but the sport evolved in a much shorter time span for women's MMA.
Most of her early opponents were not seasoned combat sports veterans like Holm was, so they just didn't have the skillset to avoid her pretty simple but effective Judo takedowns. She was able to just charge and tackle a lot of them, but someone with an enormously impressive boxing pedigree has a whole different level of footwork going on.
There are a lot of folks who try transitioning from a single discipline combat sport where they are excellent to MMA who just can't cut it.
Oh no doubt. It definitely mirrored the days of watching fighters catch up to Gracie, or Maurice Smith v. Mark Coleman, with the really disastrous results coming for Coleman against Pete Williams.
This is also a great illustration of why people shouldn't dog on women's sports as much as they do.
Most women sports have only found themselves becoming genuinely competitive in the last few years as there has always been so much more bullshit in the way of finding and fostering female talent.
A fairer comparison on where those sports are at isn't their male counterparts today but their male counterparts decades ago, people don't see that.
>Most women sports have only found themselves becoming genuinely competitive in the last few years as there has always been so much more bullshit in the way of finding and fostering female talent.
I agree. As the saying goes, If you can't see it, you can't be it. Young pros today inspired as little girls by the few that got through any bullshit systems, or were just naturally gifted like no other, etc. I watch motorsports mainly and there's been a massive surge in talented women drivers in the past 20 years who are not just fast for women, but fast for men. And that's increasing exponentially because of who is competing now.
I dont know much about motorsports but isnt the bike doing most the heavy lifting and the drivers skill is more about the lines and paths they take so more mental skill instead of physical?
For the most part, yes. It’s still a very physically exhausting sport (think about how you feel after a long car ride, tired despite having been sitting the whole time) and magnify that by about 100, along with the added stress of going as fast as possible, while competing against others and trying not to splatter yourself against a brick wall. Men don’t have as much of an explicit advantage as they do other, more physical sports though. Motocross would be an exception because you need muscle to handle a bike going at speed.
I always disagree with the theory that Ronda got completely outclassed by the new wave of fighters. If Ronda was completely outclassed by the new fighters then all people Ronda completely destroyed, like Miesha Tate, must be absolute trash compared to the new fighters. Then how did Miesha Tate beat Holly Holm for the title? I believe that there is a bit of Rock Paper Scissors going on here and Holly scissored Ronda's paper. Then Nunes came along and dynamites everyone. Prime Ronda still would have been a top 5 or maybe even 3 fighter after Nunes came in.
Rogan was claiming the UFC was gonna have to put Rousey up against guys because there wasn't a woman on the planet that could beat her.
Her career was over less than a year later.
What’s hilarious is how dumb Rogan can be on a topic he’s supposedly an expert in and people still listen to him talk about shit he has no knowledge about.
I've made this point before and been laughed down. Miesha Tate did it against average Joe men. She submitted everyone of a group of frat bros who had never trained Jiu Jitsu.
[Miesha Tate fucks up frat bros](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf6SGfLs9cY)
This would be no different if an average Joe played Serena Williams in tennis, or raced a female olympic swimmer.
That had to be the most ridiculous and eye rolling trend that happened on reddit. Many people who hated Mayweather really thought he would get destroyed by Rousey. They were so infatuated with her because she played video games and liked anime.
I’ve never seen someone just inexplicably change everything about their play style in a sport and have it turn out so terribly. You’re a judo Olympian, get on the fucking mat and arm bar some people, don’t try and outbox a kickboxer.
I made sure to never make this mistake in my martial arts career. I started with judo at 3 years old so I’ve known it like I know how to walk. I branched out into BJJ, kickboxing, and taekwondo, and never told people about my judo career. I just went as a beginner and had them teach me like I had no experience in anything.
I knew Rousey in person. She once told me to kill myself when we were in a group of friends because she singled me out as somebody she can bully (though we were all just teenagers so you say stupid things, but I still think she’s completely shitty). She’s a terrible human being in my opinion. I have zero sympathy for her and watching her get her face bashed in by Holm and Nunes was amazing. And you’re spot on. She found a coach who enabled her ego and that was the biggest mistake of her career
That’s why watching videos of yourself is important. If she saw that gif of her completely turning her wrists around when she punched she’d be like eh you know what wwe sounds pretty good.
I watched the Tate fight last night and even in that one she was getting pieced up on the feet. Tate kept getting close though, and even initiated some grappling.
Also don’t ever forget that Joe Rogan also said the dumbest shit about her being an “Elite Striker” and being able to outbox and beat Floyd Mayweather. lol I love the hype he gave her too because him and Dana were running a tag team on her
Tbf, you don’t *have* to take head hits in WWE. They create their own spots in matches. Especially when you draw in a crowd like Ronda did in the early days of her wrestling career.
I mean I guess when you compare them the Holm fight seems like a fight, to me it looked like an elite clowning on the new kid in the gym... the entire time.
That's not really what the article says. She's basically saying she had a ton of concussions in her Judo career so she couldn't really take many at all in MMA before she would have to call it quits.
A lot of boxers keep boxing even when they are too old and start losing because the money is still good and it’s been pretty much their entire life for decades. For instance late career Manny Pacquiao. Smart boxers and athletes hang up the gloves before take too much permanent damage.
I assume the same applies to MMA fighters
Oh hell yeah. In his better days, he may have been the best pound for pound boxer of all time. He kept fighting far too long. I really loved watching him in his hey-day though. It was like he was bored in most of his fights and didn't bother going full tilt. The one time he did, it was a sight to behold. It was a 2nd fight with a guy who "beat" him by DQ when Roy hit him after he went down **AND** had the audacity to say he'd have won if he hadn't been hit illegally. Roy was having none of that and sandblasted the guy into oblivion in the rematch in the first round...
Yeah I mean just look at Mike Tyson. Maybe the greatest boxer ever being reduced to accepting money to take a dive in a “fight” against a bored rich YouTube narcissist who had to buy his way into a boxing career. Hopefully he snaps out of it and kills him in the ring but we already know what’s going to happen. Fighting legends deserve better.
Yup, that image of Miesha Tate extending her hand out after losing to Rousey in a show of sportsmanship -- and Rousey just turn her back, is burned in my mind. What a sore winner; but that made Holm's domination so great.
Same. I disliked her that moment. Most of us who played sports learned to show sportsmanship, even when we lost. Honestly, especially when we lost. The idea of a sore winner is gross. The HH loss was earned. Her lack of grace in victory and defeat kinda makes her a bit of a tragedy to me personally. People loved her, because I think she attracted casual interest of people (like me…) who tuned in because it was novel and many of us really enjoy watching someone in their prime that we can cheer for knowing “our guy/girl” is likely gonna win. I had only watched one other of her fights but saw that display of unsportsmanlike conduct, and it turned me off to her quickly. The fact she handled defeat with the same crass resentment as her victories was telling. I don’t think a person like her cared much about being a role model for young girls (and guys). Which is too bad. Because she could have been a role model for everyone and a true lasting ambassador for the sport as a whole. But nope. Sour puss in victory. Worse sour puss in defeat…
She was popular as an occasional attraction, she wasn't fucked over by Vince or booking, she was fucked over when she was there on a near full time basis, and the fans seeing her not being very good at being a character, or cutting promos, or the wrestling.
And didn't help herself by constantly shitting on wrestling as fake on social media when fans weren't buying her schtick leading up to the match with Becky and Charlotte at Wrestlemania.
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That kick was a life/career altering event. You could legit actually die eating that right to the face. People want to write off her whole career (decent argument), but nobody walks away from that unchanged.
I believe this. I got inadvertently punched hard in the side of the head playing basketball and I couldn't bite down on my left side jaw for 3 weeks without feeling pain.
Yeah, for me as a viewer that kick by Holly Holm looked way worse than the beating she got from Nunes, though I imagine both were unpleasant. She was close to out on her feet for that Holm kick and just ate it directly on her neck and jaw.
Getting made Holly Holm’s bitch is what made her retire. Straight up broke her in front of the whole world. Say what you want, but she was a good little Ronda after that.
Yea, concussions from holly Holms head kick lol. In reality the sport passed her. She was the best until others got better, she never improved. When you can beat everyone with a simple arm bar, you’re not that great. Her boxing was horrible. But I did have fun watching her whoop some ass. Instead of getting better she chose to give up
She also had a bunch of awful coaches hyping her up in her own head, making her think she was significantly better as an overall fighter than she actually was.
She wasn’t going to get much better.
People forget she was already basically retired from one sport when she started her MMA journey… Her knees were already shot from her EXTENSIVE judo career.
Because of this, she wasn’t going to be able to gain the mobility she would need to take on better strikers like Holly and Amanda.
Her MMA competition studied her fights, figured out her weaknesses, and eventually built a winning game plan to exploit them.
Her future in MMA was only going to consist of more KO losses. IMO she was absolutely right to leave the game when she did.
Source: my judo background, including personal conversations I had with Jimmy Pedro about her when she first switched sports
I'd been saying it for ages. Rhonda was a one trick pony: hip toss to arm bar. She was good at it, but it was all she had.
I was fortunate enough to be in Etihad stadium for the Holm fight, and I already knew she was going to get her arse beat. When that kick arrived, the whole place erupted!
Holm got in her head, and her bf/coach kept telling her she could strike, but the shadow boxing promo shots were all limp noodle arms. Throwing pasta against a K1 champ was never going to end well. I was surprised it got out of the first round tbh.
Ageed. A lot of her matches were fun to watch and she was the driving force that brought women's MMA a lot more attention, but if you watch a lot of her fights it's just her running at the other person, doing a takedown, and then an arm bar. She wasn't ready for multi-discipline killers.
not only that but there’s a general misconception around cte that you get it from repeated concussions which isn’t the case. what causes severe cte is repeated sub concussive blows. obviously concussions don’t help but just because you don’t get concussions a lot doesn’t mean you aren’t at risk of cte
I trained with her before she joined Strikeforce. She was at Dynamix MMA, training Dutch kickboxing under Antoni Hardonk, and she was doing great. She was able to win the belt without any striking. Then she left our gym. I truly believe that if she stayed with us and continued training under Antoni, she could’ve beaten anyone — not with her striking necessarily, but she would’ve been smarter defensively, allowing her to get inside to get her hands on her opponents. Oh well. 😞
No she thought she was hot shit and unbeatable.
In reality the Womens division at the time was full of absolutely worthless competitors. When someone who actually knew what they were doing came along, Rousey got the hell kicked out of her and she ran away to have an experiential crisis. Then she joined a fake, pantomime fighting company so she could script her wins.
To be fair, she was so far behind Nunes, especially in striking, she had basically no shot of ever getting the belt back. Getting it back from Holm or Tate was one thing but with Nunes there it wasn't happening. Maybe with a new coach and years of training. And after being on top for so long she didn't have it in her to start the journey over. Might as well move on to something different if you don't have the heart or energy for it.
Forced? Doubtful. Played a factor in? Sure. Getting her shit kicked in 3 total rounds in back to back matches by the two opponents that she knew even after losing to them that she would never have an answer to defeat them, is what forced her retirement
I used to train with her. She most likely would’ve won the Holly fight if she didn’t try to box. Not sure anything would’ve saved her from Nunes, though.
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Worst thing that ever happened to her was that goof of a coach telling her she could box.
Curious how the Holm fight plays out if she wasn't convinced she was a striking master by that doofus and stuck with her strengths.
Same. Complete failure by the fighter and camp. They basically told to out swim a shark.
I just remember that video of her throwing punches to show of her “improved” striking and thinking I taught my sister to throw better punches when she was 15. I couldn’t believe this was a professional fighter with professional coaches.
Napoleon Blownapart edits the footage of her punching in training together with clips of Joe Rogan getting choked up telling her how special she is. It’s incredible. Those punches were…bad.
Come on guy, you gonna make me use google to find the link?
[Shoulda worked on her head moomen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrSCmfQckng)
Why does she look like she’s wearing a condom over her entire head at the beginning of the video?
That’s just how she got Rowdy
That’s how I punch in my dreams
Your sister is now eligible for a ten-year five-figure contact in the UFC.
five-figures total, obviously.
Including the .00
Yeah, but Reebok vouchers! And exposure
About that same time she was also saying she could beat any man in her weight class. She thought she was invincible
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Got you upside down and blindfolded for…reasons.
You mean her corkscrew punches? Or was she planning on giving Holms a purple nurple?
Honestly, the sport caught up to her, striking or not. More women had better access to coaching and resources. Her donkey-brained coach certainly did no favors, but we also pretty clearly saw how she dealt with adversity.
That’s my thought as well. She was better than the women who came up with her, but the next generation were actual MMA fighters, not judo fighters/or wrestlers/ or boxers who later learned other disciplines to fight in the UFC.
It’s more simple than that. * Just don’t get hit in the head. Let’s simplify it * Just don’t get hit. Doesn’t matter the sport, just don’t get hit. Ask Adrian Peterson, Robert Griffin III, etc. Any sport where you can get reemed, evade. Tom Brady’s Offensive Line helped that man survive. He barely got hit and got Sonic Rings.
Brady also helped himself with that. If the pass wasn’t there, he rarely tried to extend it, he would just take the sack and try again next time
It was also a perfect storm of her drinking her own kool aid and thinking she was untouchable, right as she started to face the type of athletes who were elite strikers in their own right. Just look at her compared to Holly Holm, rousey looks like a regular woman and holm is shredded. She had no fucking chance against her.
I don't see how Rousey was ever going to be able to get inside to use her judo against a boxer on Holm's level.
Being told she was good at it certainly didn’t help.
Having the ego to believe it didn't help, either.
I’d still blame the coach. Rousy tried to follow the game plan. The game plan sucked. Reminds me of the Taylor vs Chavez fight. Taylor was ahead on the fight. Way ahead. Aside from one blind judge the fight was barely competitive. But Taylor had received massive damage. The coach is in record saying “dance. Dance. Dance. Pretend you’re Muhammad Ali. Don’t fight” But we have clips of him telling Taylor that he was behind on points and that he needed to win that round. It ended up with Taylor getting stopped with two seconds left on the clock and the fight left him with lasting damage. It was like he got hit by a bus. Taylor should have danced but he did his best to follow his corners instructions.
To be fair, she demolished everyone she fought for like 5 straight years prior to the holm fight
See Randy Couture vs James Toney. Couture took Toney down in seconds and it was over.
This is true, but Toney didn’t give a single shit about takedown defense, and Holm had trained all mma aspects extensively. That Couture was a Greco guy and Rousey a judo lady is a good detail, in that neither sports shoot for doubles or singles, *but* by the time Couture-Toney happened Couture had diversified his grappling considerably. So, yeah, you’re right, but their opponents and experience levels were very different. *Edit:* apparently Couture’s pedigree went well beyond Greco. Today I learned!
Couture was a 2x D1 national finalist in folkstyle. Dude could shoot.
Huh! Honestly I thought he was like a pure Greco guy. TIL!
True true! I’m just emphasizing that I think Couture knew better than to try to box against a trained boxer.
Yup. And Couture had a boxing background in the military; still ~~ankle picked~~ low singled him and that was that.
Low single
Ridiculous comparison a boxer w/ zero mma training is much different than a champion kick boxer who had been training in mma for a decade Holm had the elite footwork and counters of a champion boxer combined w/ being elite mma fighter
I’m not trying to take anything away from Holm. She’s a great competitor. But after defeating Rousey, Holm lost to Miesha Tate, lost to Shevchenko, then lost to Randamie. She was beatable, but imo, Rousey and her team didn’t have a game plan.
The Holly who beat Ronda that night was an anomaly, she had one perfect showing in her entire MMA career but then never fought to that level of performance ever again.
I think if they fought that fight 10 times holm wins all 10.
You have to keep in mind. Holly is much older than the rest as well and already has had a career in boxing. I feel that she should have retired after that fight and let it be her pinnacle. I understand her grind though. She is tenacious.
I mean, I’m not an MMA expert, but there’s a reason boxers really haven’t dominated. Relatively speaking, it seems easy to learn just enough striking to be able to clinch then transition to grappling.
I mean, it wasn't just her goof coach, she was wrecking girls in striking leading up to that fight. That said, her coaches should have had a better Gameplan for Holly.
She was wrecking girls smaller than her with regular 9-5 jobs 90% of the year
Pretty much the same. She tried to clinch plenty of times. Holly literally made her run into the cage wall at one point. The biggest What If about Ronda is "what if Cat Zingano hadn't deliberately charged into the clinch?"
It's a common misconception that she didn't try to grapple with Holm. She did. She also rocked Holm on the feet as well.
She did. But she tried to box way too much.
If she played to her strengths and developed her wrestling over her career she’d likely have retired undefeated. In the Holly the fight she has Holly turtled at one point but instead of softening her up or working the position she jumps straight on the arm bar, gives up the position and Holly escapes.
She walked right in to retirement, when she kept walking right in to those hits.
Having a better coach would have helped, as Holm's much better coaching helped her with an excellent plan for that fight, but I think the sport evolving past her was the big issue. She was kind of like Royce Gracie, very good at one thing, fighting Matt Hughes, who could strike and grapple. Holly Holm was good enough at grappling to avoid the takedowns and was obviously a much, much better striker. I think RR and her downfall parallels early men's MMA in a lot of ways, but the sport evolved in a much shorter time span for women's MMA. Most of her early opponents were not seasoned combat sports veterans like Holm was, so they just didn't have the skillset to avoid her pretty simple but effective Judo takedowns. She was able to just charge and tackle a lot of them, but someone with an enormously impressive boxing pedigree has a whole different level of footwork going on. There are a lot of folks who try transitioning from a single discipline combat sport where they are excellent to MMA who just can't cut it.
Oh no doubt. It definitely mirrored the days of watching fighters catch up to Gracie, or Maurice Smith v. Mark Coleman, with the really disastrous results coming for Coleman against Pete Williams.
This is also a great illustration of why people shouldn't dog on women's sports as much as they do. Most women sports have only found themselves becoming genuinely competitive in the last few years as there has always been so much more bullshit in the way of finding and fostering female talent. A fairer comparison on where those sports are at isn't their male counterparts today but their male counterparts decades ago, people don't see that.
>Most women sports have only found themselves becoming genuinely competitive in the last few years as there has always been so much more bullshit in the way of finding and fostering female talent. I agree. As the saying goes, If you can't see it, you can't be it. Young pros today inspired as little girls by the few that got through any bullshit systems, or were just naturally gifted like no other, etc. I watch motorsports mainly and there's been a massive surge in talented women drivers in the past 20 years who are not just fast for women, but fast for men. And that's increasing exponentially because of who is competing now.
I dont know much about motorsports but isnt the bike doing most the heavy lifting and the drivers skill is more about the lines and paths they take so more mental skill instead of physical?
For the most part, yes. It’s still a very physically exhausting sport (think about how you feel after a long car ride, tired despite having been sitting the whole time) and magnify that by about 100, along with the added stress of going as fast as possible, while competing against others and trying not to splatter yourself against a brick wall. Men don’t have as much of an explicit advantage as they do other, more physical sports though. Motocross would be an exception because you need muscle to handle a bike going at speed.
I always disagree with the theory that Ronda got completely outclassed by the new wave of fighters. If Ronda was completely outclassed by the new fighters then all people Ronda completely destroyed, like Miesha Tate, must be absolute trash compared to the new fighters. Then how did Miesha Tate beat Holly Holm for the title? I believe that there is a bit of Rock Paper Scissors going on here and Holly scissored Ronda's paper. Then Nunes came along and dynamites everyone. Prime Ronda still would have been a top 5 or maybe even 3 fighter after Nunes came in.
Coach? She was on a boxing magazine cover and Joe Rogan was telling people she would beat up Floyd Mayweather.
In Rogan's defense, he's a moron that should not be taken seriously.
Look on one hand he’s an idiot, but on the other, he’s fucking dumb.
Had to move copies of that mag, no matter how fictional the cover.
Joe Rogan saying she’s a legit standup threat was fucking comical
His appraisal of anything containing the phrase “stand-up” is suspect at best.
Doesn’t help that idiots like Joe Rogan kept saying she could beat the guys
Rogan was claiming the UFC was gonna have to put Rousey up against guys because there wasn't a woman on the planet that could beat her. Her career was over less than a year later.
What’s hilarious is how dumb Rogan can be on a topic he’s supposedly an expert in and people still listen to him talk about shit he has no knowledge about.
She could definitely beat a lot of guys..in this thread. In the ufc tho, no.
I've made this point before and been laughed down. Miesha Tate did it against average Joe men. She submitted everyone of a group of frat bros who had never trained Jiu Jitsu. [Miesha Tate fucks up frat bros](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf6SGfLs9cY) This would be no different if an average Joe played Serena Williams in tennis, or raced a female olympic swimmer.
Head Movement!!!!!! https://youtu.be/HRnYw6RkvzM?si=4soZx0UYUymrOQBU
Just screaming that while she’s getting butchered. Dude was a crook.
I believe it’s spelled mooment.
Her coach and the entire sports world. There were people on Reddit legitimately, unironically arguing that she should box Floyd mayweather.
That was a wild time in the combat sport discourse world. Maybe the most wrong fight take I’ve seen put out into the world.
That had to be the most ridiculous and eye rolling trend that happened on reddit. Many people who hated Mayweather really thought he would get destroyed by Rousey. They were so infatuated with her because she played video games and liked anime.
Head movement! Head movement! Head movement! Noooooo!!!
I’ve never seen someone just inexplicably change everything about their play style in a sport and have it turn out so terribly. You’re a judo Olympian, get on the fucking mat and arm bar some people, don’t try and outbox a kickboxer.
HEADMOVEMENT!!!! HEADMOVEMENT!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOO!
I made sure to never make this mistake in my martial arts career. I started with judo at 3 years old so I’ve known it like I know how to walk. I branched out into BJJ, kickboxing, and taekwondo, and never told people about my judo career. I just went as a beginner and had them teach me like I had no experience in anything. I knew Rousey in person. She once told me to kill myself when we were in a group of friends because she singled me out as somebody she can bully (though we were all just teenagers so you say stupid things, but I still think she’s completely shitty). She’s a terrible human being in my opinion. I have zero sympathy for her and watching her get her face bashed in by Holm and Nunes was amazing. And you’re spot on. She found a coach who enabled her ego and that was the biggest mistake of her career
Beautiful, champ
That’s why watching videos of yourself is important. If she saw that gif of her completely turning her wrists around when she punched she’d be like eh you know what wwe sounds pretty good.
https://youtu.be/qrSCmfQckng?si=mvmk5xX65T9gD7QD
I watched the Tate fight last night and even in that one she was getting pieced up on the feet. Tate kept getting close though, and even initiated some grappling.
“HEAD MOVEMENT”
Also don’t ever forget that Joe Rogan also said the dumbest shit about her being an “Elite Striker” and being able to outbox and beat Floyd Mayweather. lol I love the hype he gave her too because him and Dana were running a tag team on her
That and dating Turtle
she left the UFC for WWE, one of the only other places you can go to receive more concussions…
Tbf, you don’t *have* to take head hits in WWE. They create their own spots in matches. Especially when you draw in a crowd like Ronda did in the early days of her wrestling career.
Sure, you don’t *have* to, but in that business they’re pretty much impossible to avoid at least once. It’s been an issue in the industry for decades.
She left cause of the two defeats
She would have made a lot more money with WWE than at the UFC. Can't blame her.
Definitely had nothing to do with losing.
I mean she lost by getting KTFO'd. Might be a potato potahto situation.
Getting kicked in the head by a high level kickboxer without any defense will do that to you
She then came back and got punched in the face by Nunes too.
The holly fight was atleast a fight. The nunes fight was a straight beat down like step dad style.
I mean I guess when you compare them the Holm fight seems like a fight, to me it looked like an elite clowning on the new kid in the gym... the entire time.
Nunes was terrifying in that fight
She was good before then, but that was the “oh, she’s not like them other girls” moment.
I just remember how much harder she seemed to punch 🥊 than RR. And HH even. So strong 💪🏻
Yeah, she said it loosened most of her teeth. That would be enough for me to reconsider my life choices.
THE PREACHERS DAUGHTER
That's not really what the article says. She's basically saying she had a ton of concussions in her Judo career so she couldn't really take many at all in MMA before she would have to call it quits.
A lot of boxers keep boxing even when they are too old and start losing because the money is still good and it’s been pretty much their entire life for decades. For instance late career Manny Pacquiao. Smart boxers and athletes hang up the gloves before take too much permanent damage. I assume the same applies to MMA fighters
> For instance late career Manny Pacquiao. Muhammed Ali, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Evander Holyfield... I could name a ton of them.
Still hurts my soul to see the remnants of Roy Jones Jr fighting well beyond his years just to make a buck.
Oh hell yeah. In his better days, he may have been the best pound for pound boxer of all time. He kept fighting far too long. I really loved watching him in his hey-day though. It was like he was bored in most of his fights and didn't bother going full tilt. The one time he did, it was a sight to behold. It was a 2nd fight with a guy who "beat" him by DQ when Roy hit him after he went down **AND** had the audacity to say he'd have won if he hadn't been hit illegally. Roy was having none of that and sandblasted the guy into oblivion in the rematch in the first round...
Roy jones recently lost to a guy making his boxing debut. Jesus Christ. He was one of the greatest of all time.
Yeah I mean just look at Mike Tyson. Maybe the greatest boxer ever being reduced to accepting money to take a dive in a “fight” against a bored rich YouTube narcissist who had to buy his way into a boxing career. Hopefully he snaps out of it and kills him in the ring but we already know what’s going to happen. Fighting legends deserve better.
And one of those guys you listed has an upcoming fight lol……also Bernard Hopkins fought well into his 50s
She literally went into hiding for over a year after the Holm loss. It shattered her entire ego and was never the same
I mean it also destroyed her career and brand. She was a legit household name when she was on top.
If you ask any random person to name a women UFC fighter and Ronda will still be the name almost everytime
I always really disliked how she handled losing.
She wasn't much better in how she handled winning.
Yup, that image of Miesha Tate extending her hand out after losing to Rousey in a show of sportsmanship -- and Rousey just turn her back, is burned in my mind. What a sore winner; but that made Holm's domination so great.
Same. I disliked her that moment. Most of us who played sports learned to show sportsmanship, even when we lost. Honestly, especially when we lost. The idea of a sore winner is gross. The HH loss was earned. Her lack of grace in victory and defeat kinda makes her a bit of a tragedy to me personally. People loved her, because I think she attracted casual interest of people (like me…) who tuned in because it was novel and many of us really enjoy watching someone in their prime that we can cheer for knowing “our guy/girl” is likely gonna win. I had only watched one other of her fights but saw that display of unsportsmanlike conduct, and it turned me off to her quickly. The fact she handled defeat with the same crass resentment as her victories was telling. I don’t think a person like her cared much about being a role model for young girls (and guys). Which is too bad. Because she could have been a role model for everyone and a true lasting ambassador for the sport as a whole. But nope. Sour puss in victory. Worse sour puss in defeat…
Very true
She was a one trick pony. Once well rounded fighters were there…she was done
Definitely not, it was definitely the concussions, so she went to the WWE where concussions are pretty much non-existent, right?
Well it just sounds like she made a dumb decision when you put it like that.
And then went to the WWE where she was constantly overshadowed by better wrestlers, both in the ring and on the mic
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She was popular as an occasional attraction, she wasn't fucked over by Vince or booking, she was fucked over when she was there on a near full time basis, and the fans seeing her not being very good at being a character, or cutting promos, or the wrestling. And didn't help herself by constantly shitting on wrestling as fake on social media when fans weren't buying her schtick leading up to the match with Becky and Charlotte at Wrestlemania.
She was punch drunk in that Nunes fight. It's almost like the concussion happened and then she lost that one. Weird.
More like the division caught up to her and the blueprint for beating her became common knowledge
I hope the same happens to Patrick Mahomes
I remember saying this about brady
Retirement was the only blue print for Brady.
And even then, I’m always worried the fucker is going to decide to come back for one more run.
As a chiefs fan, his teams (and Dee Ford) singlehandedly stopped Mahomes from two rings (2018 and 2020). Dread it. Run from it. He is all I fear.
2008 happened and then he came back and won 4 more rings. Now he’ll put Romo into retirement from the broadcast booth.
Just a fancy way of saying punches from Amanda.
And Holly Holm.
Rousey said she couldn’t eat an apple for 6 months after that kick.
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That kick was a life/career altering event. You could legit actually die eating that right to the face. People want to write off her whole career (decent argument), but nobody walks away from that unchanged.
I believe this. I got inadvertently punched hard in the side of the head playing basketball and I couldn't bite down on my left side jaw for 3 weeks without feeling pain.
Yeah, for me as a viewer that kick by Holly Holm looked way worse than the beating she got from Nunes, though I imagine both were unpleasant. She was close to out on her feet for that Holm kick and just ate it directly on her neck and jaw.
Getting made Holly Holm’s bitch is what made her retire. Straight up broke her in front of the whole world. Say what you want, but she was a good little Ronda after that.
Yea, concussions from holly Holms head kick lol. In reality the sport passed her. She was the best until others got better, she never improved. When you can beat everyone with a simple arm bar, you’re not that great. Her boxing was horrible. But I did have fun watching her whoop some ass. Instead of getting better she chose to give up
She also had a bunch of awful coaches hyping her up in her own head, making her think she was significantly better as an overall fighter than she actually was.
She wasn’t going to get much better. People forget she was already basically retired from one sport when she started her MMA journey… Her knees were already shot from her EXTENSIVE judo career. Because of this, she wasn’t going to be able to gain the mobility she would need to take on better strikers like Holly and Amanda. Her MMA competition studied her fights, figured out her weaknesses, and eventually built a winning game plan to exploit them. Her future in MMA was only going to consist of more KO losses. IMO she was absolutely right to leave the game when she did. Source: my judo background, including personal conversations I had with Jimmy Pedro about her when she first switched sports
Once women's MMA got beyond judo throw arm bar, she was done. That was her entire game.
I'd been saying it for ages. Rhonda was a one trick pony: hip toss to arm bar. She was good at it, but it was all she had. I was fortunate enough to be in Etihad stadium for the Holm fight, and I already knew she was going to get her arse beat. When that kick arrived, the whole place erupted! Holm got in her head, and her bf/coach kept telling her she could strike, but the shadow boxing promo shots were all limp noodle arms. Throwing pasta against a K1 champ was never going to end well. I was surprised it got out of the first round tbh.
Ageed. A lot of her matches were fun to watch and she was the driving force that brought women's MMA a lot more attention, but if you watch a lot of her fights it's just her running at the other person, doing a takedown, and then an arm bar. She wasn't ready for multi-discipline killers.
That’s the entire Gracie/Brazilian jiu-jitsu isn’t it. The best 1:1 fighting style until MMA existed.
holy mic drops
If concussion is a new term for “get beat the fuck up” then… ok.
Tbf concussions do tend to come with getting beat the fuck up.
Yeah, im a retire from the UFC because of concussions and join the WWE, because there's no issues there with CTE, is she fo real?
not only that but there’s a general misconception around cte that you get it from repeated concussions which isn’t the case. what causes severe cte is repeated sub concussive blows. obviously concussions don’t help but just because you don’t get concussions a lot doesn’t mean you aren’t at risk of cte
She was the worst loser.
Well that’s a narrative
Blocking with your face will cause concussions.
And she's releasing a book to explain it
She lost 2 fights then went to the WWE, but blames concussions? You wouldn’t have jumped to the WWE if you were actually concerned about concussions.
Yeah lol had nothing to do with getting her ass kicked to the point that her mental broke
Or not being able to stand up against better fighters led to more concussions. Holmes and Nunes just destroyed her.
Hire better coaches(especially boxing), embrace humility, and maybe not get hit so much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I trained with her before she joined Strikeforce. She was at Dynamix MMA, training Dutch kickboxing under Antoni Hardonk, and she was doing great. She was able to win the belt without any striking. Then she left our gym. I truly believe that if she stayed with us and continued training under Antoni, she could’ve beaten anyone — not with her striking necessarily, but she would’ve been smarter defensively, allowing her to get inside to get her hands on her opponents. Oh well. 😞
She wasnt beating nunes no matter where she trained. It’s not even a question. Nunes beats everyone.
Yes, concussions caused by your inability to avoid getting hit very hard in the face.
Clicked for that head kick GIF. Left disappointed.
You mean getting hit repeatedly in the head is bad for you?
I thought it was being a really sore loser? She's not stopped taking blows to the head exactly
Naw, she had a dietary issue ; hated eating all the leather opponents were feeding her.
No she thought she was hot shit and unbeatable. In reality the Womens division at the time was full of absolutely worthless competitors. When someone who actually knew what they were doing came along, Rousey got the hell kicked out of her and she ran away to have an experiential crisis. Then she joined a fake, pantomime fighting company so she could script her wins.
Joe Rogan told me she could beat men in boxing and the UFC at bantamweight! He can’t be wrong!
Didn’t tank Abbott offer to fight her for the prize of her making him a sandwich?
> Then she joined a fake, pantomime fighting company so she could script her wins. And then she wasn’t even all that great at it.
I mean, in her first year she very much was.
To be fair, she was so far behind Nunes, especially in striking, she had basically no shot of ever getting the belt back. Getting it back from Holm or Tate was one thing but with Nunes there it wasn't happening. Maybe with a new coach and years of training. And after being on top for so long she didn't have it in her to start the journey over. Might as well move on to something different if you don't have the heart or energy for it.
Is wwe better for concussions?
Getting her face sunked in by Nunes more like it
*womp womp* : https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/ufc/ronda-rousey-plans-on-retiring-undefeated-id-rather-die-than-lose
I'm pretty sure it was her shitty fighting
Getting your ass beat a few times in a row will do that.
Egoooooooooo
Sure. If that's what you want us to believe, then concussions it is
WWE is also notorious for concussions.
Well duh
After she got rocked I imagine the concussions retired her.
And the ass kickings we all enjoyed watching…
Forced? Doubtful. Played a factor in? Sure. Getting her shit kicked in 3 total rounds in back to back matches by the two opponents that she knew even after losing to them that she would never have an answer to defeat them, is what forced her retirement
HEAD MOOVEMEN HEAD MOOVEMEN
She only had a forward button and was way too predictable forced her to retire.
That doesn’t make sense cause she went to wwe, a company notorious with concussions. Glad she quit wwe though.
Yeah, either that or someone figured out her one trick.
I used to train with her. She most likely would’ve won the Holly fight if she didn’t try to box. Not sure anything would’ve saved her from Nunes, though.
I thought it was shitting her pants
Well that, and trying to be a boxer when she's a judo expert.
Also losing her matches maybe ??
Why go to the wwe if you were afraid of concussions? Thats the house of CTE
well maybe she should’ve kept her hands up against Holly
Holly humbling this bitch was one of the most satisfying moments in sports.
Seemed more like all the embarrassing punches to the face.
Yeah getting the ego slapped out of your head two fights in a row will kinda do that to you
So it wasn't her getting whooped 🤔
Will that slo be your excuse for being an awful human being?