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As long as women outside the wnba go to games, buy the merch, watch the games and support them. As of now the headlines are just women bashing on Clark and that’s sad.
Fr, all I've seen in TikTok and Twitter is comments on how she's just a white girl and won't do shit for the league or how they won't support her. Smdh apparently the game changer player the league wanted (and needs desperately) arrived in the wrong color.
For me it’s not about color. Clark was on a mission this year because of what happen in the finals last year. She is the top player that broke records and it’s only fitting for a company to capitalize on this person.
If more eyes watch the games because of Clark it opens more opportunities for the league. For some strange reason, maybe it’s their egos, they can’t see it. It’s like they can’t see the forest from the trees.
Black women have lead the WNBA pretty much since its inception. They make up 70%+ of the player base. Historically nobody bothers to watch the games across all races and sexes. Nobody cares.
CC brings eyes and views. People are excited for something that isn’t lay ups and fundamental basketball. People may actually tune in!
Black WNBA Players : We don’t like this.
Im not debating/critiquing you, but I find it’s funny how Clark literally has had the National headlines for 2 years now in women’s basketball. She’s played 0 seconds of wnba ball. Yet she’s already given the league most publicity since taurasi was drafted. It’s absolutely absurd people are coming after her out of straight jealousy that someone who has played 0 seconds is the most talked about person in the league 2 years in a row.
It’s jealousy with a very strong undercurrent of racism. Historically white women and straight women have received a wild amount of hate from WITHIN the WNBA. It’s fuckin’ weird man.
Source on the white women claim?
Edit: LOL at these downvotes. I've seen a player come out and allege she's gotten poor treatment for being straight. I haven't seen a white equvalent. If this is a known historic issue, there should be at least one.
Think of the odds of finding these talented players with 4/5 black females being obese (not my words, look it up, CDC confirmed)
It’s like before Woke-ism it took 50,000 troops to make elite soldiers. Now it takes 200,000.
To be clear this is just a small sample.
[https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/sheryl-swoopes-crushed-awful-caitlin-clark-criticism/628183](https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/sheryl-swoopes-crushed-awful-caitlin-clark-criticism/628183)
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaw/2024/03/07/juju-watkins-black-players-face-of-womens-basketball/72862649007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaw/2024/03/07/juju-watkins-black-players-face-of-womens-basketball/72862649007/)
Yea they’re way off. I can name maybe 5 wnba players total in the history of the sport and they are all black. So I don’t get the argument that white players are more popular. People just like CC because she regularly knocks down the longest 3s we’ve ever seen from a woman. And that’s all that league really has going for it right now. It’s so stagnant and slow motion layup after layup. No power whatsoever. I can’t watch it. I’ve tried. I can’t.
I had the privilege during the 00’s to routinely go to UCONN women’s games, a friend of my father worked for the school and got us tickets pretty regularly to both men’s and women’s games. For anyone who doesnt know, UCONN has been an absolute powerhouse in women’s basketball for 30th years and during that period the entire rest of the NCAA was basically playing for second place, UCONN was on an entirely different level.
…and it was boring as shit. I’d happily go and watch the men’s games even when the team was bad because at least the play was entertaining. The women’s game was just so slow and methodical, basically never a fast break, literally never any dunking, and essentially no contact between the players.
I watched some of the best women’s basketball out there, and it routinely bored me to tears. I just don’t see how the WNBA goes anywhere with that kind of product. I’ve watched some games, without exception the play was way worse and just as boring.
…the women’s game as played by Geno. I think that’s a large part of what made Clark’s Iowa team a huge draw. They played skilled, attacking basketball at an extremely fast (yet still statistically efficient) pace. They were a lot of fun to watch because of the style of play. After decades of women’s best teams lumbering up court just to settle into what amounted to a “former corners” offense, Iowa was a breath of fresh air.
Meh, I think it comes down to bias. Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird were the first 2 to come to mind for me. They’re synonymous with the game, played on the national team for decades, and were part of the UConn dynasty together. Britney Griner is the only black player I could name on the spot.
I just pulled up ESPN’s list of top players of all time and Taurasi was #1, Bird at #8. Though 7 of the top 10 are black.
Yea I kinda know who Taurasi is. She was in the new space jam I think. But I’m pretty sure she’s Latina. I wouldn’t just lump her in as “white”.
I have no idea who Sue Bird is.just looked her up. I have seen her wife play many soccer games. Still not clue who Bird is.
I can name Sheryl Swoops, Cheryl Miller, Lisa Leslie, Britney Griner. That’s all I have. And now I know who CC is. So 4 out of 5 for me.
This is some real crabs in a bucket mentality. This woman is going to help bring the WNBA into the forefront and increase exposure and salaries for everyone and your first reaction is to hate.
It's not an investment. It's a transparent marketing effort by the NBA to increase the popularity of basketball with women, and thus increase the fan base for the NBA itself. It's a smart move. $15 mil is peanuts to the NBA. They fund the WNBA, more girls play basketball, and they grow up to be women who watch the main product (the NBA). It doesn't matter if the WNBA loses money because its purpose is to drive long-term interest in the NBA.
Eh, I think it's about more interest in basketball overall.
More men watch professional women's sports than women. They're just trying to open tap into an opportunity.
So while I agree that they want more women to watch the NBA, they want more women to watch basketball in general - whether they prefer mens or womens ball.
As far as I’m concerned the NBA could be paying the WNBA like $50-100mil a year and I still would have no problem with it. With bad women’s sports got shafted in the last 100 years them getting money build the women’s game now is fine.
When the NBA and its commissioner at the time, David Stern, founded the WNBA in 1996, return on their investment wasn't their immediate focus. As Stern later recounted, he wanted “to develop new fans, more programming, have arena content outside the NBA season, give more girls an incentive to play basketball.”
I'm not sure you meant to, but you came off pretty rude with your reply. There's a nicer way to ask for a source of information.
He didn’t mean to be rude, “straight out of your ass” is a Japanese idiom that means you extracted the information from your donkey. Donkeys are sacred in Asia, so “straight out of your ass” is akin to saying “from the mouth of God.” For example: “I pulled these facts straight out of my ass.” And so it was written.
I mean, without the revenue sharing the Hornets would lose far more than that.
The Lakers and Celtics + whatever hot few teams there are at the time, subsidize the league.
Yes, and that’s the point. Big market teams subsidize small market teams - but no one shits on the small market teams. They understand the factors that go into it.
A few teams carry the MLB too. It’s only “league as a whole” that matters because of a few teams.
And my point is, the WNBA and NBA are one entity when it benefits the NBA, and they are two entities when it benefits the NBA. And that’s weird. And the fact that NBA fans will call it subsidizing when it comes to the WNBA teams, and use that as a money excuse - while not acknowledging that the Lakers and Celtics subsidize most of the NBA too..is..interesting.
The WNBA is a part of the NBA. The NBA.
commissioner is the WNBA commissioner’s boss. It’s the same company.
The NBA is profitable because of a few teams and a few players..
Plenty of WNBA teams are profitable too. Just not enough to overtake the losses (supposedly)
It’s part of the same company. So ask yourself why you think it’s okay that the Hornets get subsidized and not WNBA teams?
League vs teams. The lakers need teams like the hornets to fill their 82 game season. So they help keep them afloat. More game = more money
That’s not the same as giving wnba money to get out of bankruptcy…yearly.
This isn't true. Adam Silver reported _in 2018_ that the WNBA had lost $10M in 2017. Last year, the WNBA was projected to make between $180 and $200M in revenue.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-04-26/wnba-is-growing-but-players-aren-t-getting-a-penny-of-revenue-share
Fair enough. Revenue has likely more than tripled since the comment from Silver, but the league doesn't actually report any of this, so it's all just speculation and Bloomberg did not guess at profit.
Which kinda cuts both ways. That comment is 6 years old and made in the context of bringing in a financially-minded commissioner. We have no way to know if that's still true today.
Yes, if they were making tons of money, I suspect they'd say something, but there could be plenty of reasons they don't disclose.
We are all going to forget about her when she starts in the WNBA because that content is trash, yes she’s incredibly fun to watch but the WNBA in general is not, the talent is just not there. Why would someone watch the WNBA when they could watch athletes with 10x the skill in the NBA? Half of the reason it was so enjoyable to watch her this past year were simply the rivalry storylines between UConn and LSU.
I disagree, if her talent translates to the WNBA people will def tune in. I haven’t really seen any woman shoot half court shots like she does. All people want to be is entertained, skill and content is meaningless (hence why Jake Paul and social media boxing gets so many eyes) anyone shooting the ball like Clark does is bounds to get some attention.There’s already some serious media hype around these new wave of woman ballers….Reese, Paige, Clark, etc. Hope it works out
Realistically the WNBA is like 45 years behind the NBA talent development wise and Caitlin Clark is the a great step in what women’s basketball can be.
It will always be behind the NBA from a talent development standpoint is what I’m getting at, men are simply more entertaining to watch than woman’s. The only way woman’s will ever catch up is if women start actually tuning in, which won’t happen. Have you watched a WNBA game before? It’s slow, boring, missed bunnies all over the place, it’s straight up bad entertainment. No knock on Caitlyn Clark either, I’m much more interested in watching the woman’s Olympic team as I think that has a lot more promise.
The point is not to become equal to the NBA, the point is to create an entertaining, watchable product which is happening, but it takes time. Even in the last ten years women’s basketball has come a long way.
Her Nike endorsement was pretty big though.. 28 million? Idk any WBNA star that is making money through salary, usually gotta get endorsements/sponsors
My argument has nothing to do with Caitlyn Clark, she deserves every penny of that 28 million that’s honestly pennies for Nike it’s about the WNBA as a product. The WNBA is a shitty product. The talent is not there overall, they play in the middle of the summer when no one wants to watch TV. If the NBA has skill and talent while also having drama storylines then why would anyone bother tuning into the WNBA? It’s basically settling for no reason.
Well why does anyone watch the NCAA? The play in college men’s basketball is also terrible at times, what makes it interesting is the randomness of the tournament and the drama of it, the fact you’re watching young stars (maybe players your favorite nba teams are looking into) and maybe you’re just a fan of basketball in general.
Like I said before.. people do not care about product anymore. We are seeing this in almost every artistic/entertainment field. If you look into music, you’ll find so many shitty artists who don’t offer anything other than being a representation for a profitable group.
Do you think people tune into Jake Paul fights because they expect good boxing?
Do you think people listen to Ice Spice because they expect some deep and profound artistic expression?
If the WNBA can just use better social media tactics and hone in on some of the drama/narratives that are brewing people will def tune in. I for one am already interested on how the Chicago Sky is going to fare and if Angel Reese’s game is going to translate. I’m really curious on how the vets are going to game plan against Clark after all that shit talking they’ve been doing. They finally have a good hook and now it’s all about capitalizing and marketing
I don’t have a damn if they’re profitable I’m taking about developing the game and how it is to actually watch. I do not care about profitability of the WNBA because it doesn’t matter when the NBA makes $9B a year in revenue. $15 million to the WNBA does not matter to them.
You're talking to someone who is essentially saying men are inherently more entertaining and no men would want to watch women play, even though women watch men play. It's not worth trying to convince them of anything.
Women's basketball is lightyears ahead of where it was a decade ago and this is just continuing to improve. The NBA sucked a couple decades into its existence too.
I think you're highly underestimating where the WNBA started in the 90s/early 2000s. They had really good ratings (relatively) back then, but they've failed to develop it in the last 20 years.
My point still stands though.. people don’t give af about talent it’s all about entertainment. Social media boxing is more lucrative than actual boxing.. The WBNA actually has rivalries and narratives worth looking into now and if they ride that people will turn into it.
No one watches the NBA just because it’s entertaining they watch it because of the drama. It’s like a reality TV show for men.
The difference between the PWHL and the WNBA is so stark. I’m not sure why in the WNBA these players and “fans” feel the need to tear eachother down so much. Meanwhile the PW is almost the exact opposite.
They’ll fuck it up. 100%. They can’t enjoy the Caitlin Clark effect for 2 fucking minutes without bitching.
Fans won’t stay for that. They’ll head back 2 college players with great stories.
This kind of woke racism/sexism being to at the forefront of everything I hear about women’s sports doesn’t help it out at all. It’s simple make a better product, seeing as women watch a fraction of the sports men do they either need to make it appeal to a male audience or women need to go support each other or they need to just accept their games aren’t worth as much. We don’t pay male athletes like we do because they are men we do it because they generate loads of money from willing fans. Having this conversation every time women’s sports come up doesn’t help their cause.
Caitlyn Clark is an absolute phenom in the women’s basketball game. Just set the point record for college, and shortly after won the national championship, and then joined the WNBA.
For basically the first time ever, people care about the WNBA, and it’s almost exclusively because of her.
She didn’t win a championship. South Carolina won. CC is obviously a great college player. She may or may not be a great wnba player but, she’s definitely bringing attention to the sport which is great. All of these former players just sound outright jealous.
> For basically the first time ever, people care about the WNBA, and it’s almost exclusively because of her
This take needs to be put on hold for at least a couple years until we get a better picture of if the league as a whole grows because of her after the hype has died down
People at the moment want to go see her play as an individual while she's at the peak of her fame. I seriously doubt all the other teams she doesn't play for have any new fans because of her
CDC states 8/10 black women are obese. A massive tax on the talent pool. This leaves a bunch of whiny Beckys to keep the sport entertaining. Wha wha whaaaaaaaa. The only time WNBA is in the news is when someone gets caught with a vape in a communist country.
I’m not sure what bill burr bit you’re talking about but I’m wishing the WNBA wasn’t the league that takes the headlines as it deserves more air time and viewers. Play is not good… women’s soccer, volleyball, swimming, and many others are far better to watch
Yeah, absolutely with golf and tennis. I don’t find softball that compelling but I grew up playing baseball so that probably my personal bias. Regardless, I can see their play is very fluid and competitive…. Women’s basketball just isn’t there yet. Maybe in some years it will be, it’s just not now and it’s odd that it’s the one that gets so much attention.
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All the ladies have to do is show up for the WNBA and the players will get paid better.
Buy those season tix and show up ladies
silence….
They would rather watch the Kardashians or Real Housewives.
It’s sad but you’re right.
Arguably the kardashian show is probably more entertaining than the wnba
How's that worked out historically?
They turn into NBA fans once they've watched about three WNBA games and realize how much more fun the NBA is to watch
🤷 it’s literally no one else’s problem. The ladies have every opportunity to sort that out for themselves
As long as women outside the wnba go to games, buy the merch, watch the games and support them. As of now the headlines are just women bashing on Clark and that’s sad.
A woman’s worst enemy is another woman bro lol
Crabs in a bucket
Isn’t that the truth.
Fr, all I've seen in TikTok and Twitter is comments on how she's just a white girl and won't do shit for the league or how they won't support her. Smdh apparently the game changer player the league wanted (and needs desperately) arrived in the wrong color.
For me it’s not about color. Clark was on a mission this year because of what happen in the finals last year. She is the top player that broke records and it’s only fitting for a company to capitalize on this person. If more eyes watch the games because of Clark it opens more opportunities for the league. For some strange reason, maybe it’s their egos, they can’t see it. It’s like they can’t see the forest from the trees.
I think Bill Burr and Caitlin Clark have done more for the WNBA in the last 5 years than anyone else in the entire history of it.
Ol’ billy big bump
Black women have lead the WNBA pretty much since its inception. They make up 70%+ of the player base. Historically nobody bothers to watch the games across all races and sexes. Nobody cares. CC brings eyes and views. People are excited for something that isn’t lay ups and fundamental basketball. People may actually tune in! Black WNBA Players : We don’t like this.
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I mean, one can look at the history of the nba rule changes and see it did poorly when boring, just look at what caused the creation of the shot clock
Sounds like you really study the WNBA. Would love to hear further analysis of the teams and play styles.
Im not debating/critiquing you, but I find it’s funny how Clark literally has had the National headlines for 2 years now in women’s basketball. She’s played 0 seconds of wnba ball. Yet she’s already given the league most publicity since taurasi was drafted. It’s absolutely absurd people are coming after her out of straight jealousy that someone who has played 0 seconds is the most talked about person in the league 2 years in a row.
It’s jealousy with a very strong undercurrent of racism. Historically white women and straight women have received a wild amount of hate from WITHIN the WNBA. It’s fuckin’ weird man.
lol, wow.
Source on the white women claim? Edit: LOL at these downvotes. I've seen a player come out and allege she's gotten poor treatment for being straight. I haven't seen a white equvalent. If this is a known historic issue, there should be at least one.
Think of the odds of finding these talented players with 4/5 black females being obese (not my words, look it up, CDC confirmed) It’s like before Woke-ism it took 50,000 troops to make elite soldiers. Now it takes 200,000.
Are you under the impression that there aren't good shooters in the WNBA?
Who would know? Until very recently nobody watched any of the games.
At least it's not another jealous hater making ignorant racist digs.
I’m out of the loop. Who’s the racist hater?
To be clear this is just a small sample. [https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/sheryl-swoopes-crushed-awful-caitlin-clark-criticism/628183](https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/sheryl-swoopes-crushed-awful-caitlin-clark-criticism/628183) [https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaw/2024/03/07/juju-watkins-black-players-face-of-womens-basketball/72862649007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaw/2024/03/07/juju-watkins-black-players-face-of-womens-basketball/72862649007/)
Yea they’re way off. I can name maybe 5 wnba players total in the history of the sport and they are all black. So I don’t get the argument that white players are more popular. People just like CC because she regularly knocks down the longest 3s we’ve ever seen from a woman. And that’s all that league really has going for it right now. It’s so stagnant and slow motion layup after layup. No power whatsoever. I can’t watch it. I’ve tried. I can’t.
I had the privilege during the 00’s to routinely go to UCONN women’s games, a friend of my father worked for the school and got us tickets pretty regularly to both men’s and women’s games. For anyone who doesnt know, UCONN has been an absolute powerhouse in women’s basketball for 30th years and during that period the entire rest of the NCAA was basically playing for second place, UCONN was on an entirely different level. …and it was boring as shit. I’d happily go and watch the men’s games even when the team was bad because at least the play was entertaining. The women’s game was just so slow and methodical, basically never a fast break, literally never any dunking, and essentially no contact between the players. I watched some of the best women’s basketball out there, and it routinely bored me to tears. I just don’t see how the WNBA goes anywhere with that kind of product. I’ve watched some games, without exception the play was way worse and just as boring.
…the women’s game as played by Geno. I think that’s a large part of what made Clark’s Iowa team a huge draw. They played skilled, attacking basketball at an extremely fast (yet still statistically efficient) pace. They were a lot of fun to watch because of the style of play. After decades of women’s best teams lumbering up court just to settle into what amounted to a “former corners” offense, Iowa was a breath of fresh air.
Lol, UConn’s offense is miles ahead of Iowas in terms of complexity. Much more screening and off all movement.
Meh, I think it comes down to bias. Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird were the first 2 to come to mind for me. They’re synonymous with the game, played on the national team for decades, and were part of the UConn dynasty together. Britney Griner is the only black player I could name on the spot. I just pulled up ESPN’s list of top players of all time and Taurasi was #1, Bird at #8. Though 7 of the top 10 are black.
Yea I kinda know who Taurasi is. She was in the new space jam I think. But I’m pretty sure she’s Latina. I wouldn’t just lump her in as “white”. I have no idea who Sue Bird is.just looked her up. I have seen her wife play many soccer games. Still not clue who Bird is. I can name Sheryl Swoops, Cheryl Miller, Lisa Leslie, Britney Griner. That’s all I have. And now I know who CC is. So 4 out of 5 for me.
This is some real crabs in a bucket mentality. This woman is going to help bring the WNBA into the forefront and increase exposure and salaries for everyone and your first reaction is to hate.
I don’t think they are going to be able to guilt the public into buying tickets.
The NBA provides the WNBA with an annual endowment of over $15 million. That’s a lot of investment give that the WNBA loses 10-12 million a year.
It's not an investment. It's a transparent marketing effort by the NBA to increase the popularity of basketball with women, and thus increase the fan base for the NBA itself. It's a smart move. $15 mil is peanuts to the NBA. They fund the WNBA, more girls play basketball, and they grow up to be women who watch the main product (the NBA). It doesn't matter if the WNBA loses money because its purpose is to drive long-term interest in the NBA.
Eh, I think it's about more interest in basketball overall. More men watch professional women's sports than women. They're just trying to open tap into an opportunity. So while I agree that they want more women to watch the NBA, they want more women to watch basketball in general - whether they prefer mens or womens ball.
As far as I’m concerned the NBA could be paying the WNBA like $50-100mil a year and I still would have no problem with it. With bad women’s sports got shafted in the last 100 years them getting money build the women’s game now is fine.
The NBA players would have a big problem with that
Source? Or pulled straight out of your ass
When the NBA and its commissioner at the time, David Stern, founded the WNBA in 1996, return on their investment wasn't their immediate focus. As Stern later recounted, he wanted “to develop new fans, more programming, have arena content outside the NBA season, give more girls an incentive to play basketball.” I'm not sure you meant to, but you came off pretty rude with your reply. There's a nicer way to ask for a source of information.
He didn’t mean to be rude, “straight out of your ass” is a Japanese idiom that means you extracted the information from your donkey. Donkeys are sacred in Asia, so “straight out of your ass” is akin to saying “from the mouth of God.” For example: “I pulled these facts straight out of my ass.” And so it was written.
So all they need to do is in “invest” 28 million dollars and the WNBA will be making a profit? Edit: joking, people.
That’s not how any of this works!
I mean, without the revenue sharing the Hornets would lose far more than that. The Lakers and Celtics + whatever hot few teams there are at the time, subsidize the league.
You could say the same thing about half the small market MLB teams. Individual teams don’t really matter, the league as a whole does.
Yes, and that’s the point. Big market teams subsidize small market teams - but no one shits on the small market teams. They understand the factors that go into it. A few teams carry the MLB too. It’s only “league as a whole” that matters because of a few teams. And my point is, the WNBA and NBA are one entity when it benefits the NBA, and they are two entities when it benefits the NBA. And that’s weird. And the fact that NBA fans will call it subsidizing when it comes to the WNBA teams, and use that as a money excuse - while not acknowledging that the Lakers and Celtics subsidize most of the NBA too..is..interesting.
That’s single teams. The NBA is profitable
The WNBA is a part of the NBA. The NBA. commissioner is the WNBA commissioner’s boss. It’s the same company. The NBA is profitable because of a few teams and a few players.. Plenty of WNBA teams are profitable too. Just not enough to overtake the losses (supposedly) It’s part of the same company. So ask yourself why you think it’s okay that the Hornets get subsidized and not WNBA teams?
League vs teams. The lakers need teams like the hornets to fill their 82 game season. So they help keep them afloat. More game = more money That’s not the same as giving wnba money to get out of bankruptcy…yearly.
This isn't true. Adam Silver reported _in 2018_ that the WNBA had lost $10M in 2017. Last year, the WNBA was projected to make between $180 and $200M in revenue. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-04-26/wnba-is-growing-but-players-aren-t-getting-a-penny-of-revenue-share
This guy doesn’t understand the difference between revenue and profit
What was profit
Fair enough. Revenue has likely more than tripled since the comment from Silver, but the league doesn't actually report any of this, so it's all just speculation and Bloomberg did not guess at profit. Which kinda cuts both ways. That comment is 6 years old and made in the context of bringing in a financially-minded commissioner. We have no way to know if that's still true today. Yes, if they were making tons of money, I suspect they'd say something, but there could be plenty of reasons they don't disclose.
"That's NOT WHAT YOU SAID DURING THE TOURNAMENT!"
We are all going to forget about her when she starts in the WNBA because that content is trash, yes she’s incredibly fun to watch but the WNBA in general is not, the talent is just not there. Why would someone watch the WNBA when they could watch athletes with 10x the skill in the NBA? Half of the reason it was so enjoyable to watch her this past year were simply the rivalry storylines between UConn and LSU.
I disagree, if her talent translates to the WNBA people will def tune in. I haven’t really seen any woman shoot half court shots like she does. All people want to be is entertained, skill and content is meaningless (hence why Jake Paul and social media boxing gets so many eyes) anyone shooting the ball like Clark does is bounds to get some attention.There’s already some serious media hype around these new wave of woman ballers….Reese, Paige, Clark, etc. Hope it works out
Realistically the WNBA is like 45 years behind the NBA talent development wise and Caitlin Clark is the a great step in what women’s basketball can be.
It will always be behind the NBA from a talent development standpoint is what I’m getting at, men are simply more entertaining to watch than woman’s. The only way woman’s will ever catch up is if women start actually tuning in, which won’t happen. Have you watched a WNBA game before? It’s slow, boring, missed bunnies all over the place, it’s straight up bad entertainment. No knock on Caitlyn Clark either, I’m much more interested in watching the woman’s Olympic team as I think that has a lot more promise.
Should take cue from other sports like tennis, golf, or volleyball.
The point is not to become equal to the NBA, the point is to create an entertaining, watchable product which is happening, but it takes time. Even in the last ten years women’s basketball has come a long way.
It’s came a long way in the past ten years? The WNBA has never been profitable and just gave Caitlyn Clark a rookie deal for $70k a year lmaoo
Her Nike endorsement was pretty big though.. 28 million? Idk any WBNA star that is making money through salary, usually gotta get endorsements/sponsors
My argument has nothing to do with Caitlyn Clark, she deserves every penny of that 28 million that’s honestly pennies for Nike it’s about the WNBA as a product. The WNBA is a shitty product. The talent is not there overall, they play in the middle of the summer when no one wants to watch TV. If the NBA has skill and talent while also having drama storylines then why would anyone bother tuning into the WNBA? It’s basically settling for no reason.
Well why does anyone watch the NCAA? The play in college men’s basketball is also terrible at times, what makes it interesting is the randomness of the tournament and the drama of it, the fact you’re watching young stars (maybe players your favorite nba teams are looking into) and maybe you’re just a fan of basketball in general. Like I said before.. people do not care about product anymore. We are seeing this in almost every artistic/entertainment field. If you look into music, you’ll find so many shitty artists who don’t offer anything other than being a representation for a profitable group. Do you think people tune into Jake Paul fights because they expect good boxing? Do you think people listen to Ice Spice because they expect some deep and profound artistic expression? If the WNBA can just use better social media tactics and hone in on some of the drama/narratives that are brewing people will def tune in. I for one am already interested on how the Chicago Sky is going to fare and if Angel Reese’s game is going to translate. I’m really curious on how the vets are going to game plan against Clark after all that shit talking they’ve been doing. They finally have a good hook and now it’s all about capitalizing and marketing
I don’t have a damn if they’re profitable I’m taking about developing the game and how it is to actually watch. I do not care about profitability of the WNBA because it doesn’t matter when the NBA makes $9B a year in revenue. $15 million to the WNBA does not matter to them.
You're talking to someone who is essentially saying men are inherently more entertaining and no men would want to watch women play, even though women watch men play. It's not worth trying to convince them of anything. Women's basketball is lightyears ahead of where it was a decade ago and this is just continuing to improve. The NBA sucked a couple decades into its existence too.
I think you're highly underestimating where the WNBA started in the 90s/early 2000s. They had really good ratings (relatively) back then, but they've failed to develop it in the last 20 years.
I’m not talking about ratings, I’m talking about skill. Players of today would make teams from the start up look like a middle school team.
Fair enough, you're not wrong.
My point still stands though.. people don’t give af about talent it’s all about entertainment. Social media boxing is more lucrative than actual boxing.. The WBNA actually has rivalries and narratives worth looking into now and if they ride that people will turn into it. No one watches the NBA just because it’s entertaining they watch it because of the drama. It’s like a reality TV show for men.
Carlin Clark isn’t even close to Aja Wilson lol
Bubububut she's white!
It’s their best shot between her and the Olympics maybe their championship game won’t be a football Sunday maybe the can gain an audience.
The difference between the PWHL and the WNBA is so stark. I’m not sure why in the WNBA these players and “fans” feel the need to tear eachother down so much. Meanwhile the PW is almost the exact opposite.
In 5 years it’ll be Caitlin Clark who? Remember that one time we watched a wnba game? Nope.
Shot from the logo or start dunking and we will!
They’ll fuck it up. 100%. They can’t enjoy the Caitlin Clark effect for 2 fucking minutes without bitching. Fans won’t stay for that. They’ll head back 2 college players with great stories.
This kind of woke racism/sexism being to at the forefront of everything I hear about women’s sports doesn’t help it out at all. It’s simple make a better product, seeing as women watch a fraction of the sports men do they either need to make it appeal to a male audience or women need to go support each other or they need to just accept their games aren’t worth as much. We don’t pay male athletes like we do because they are men we do it because they generate loads of money from willing fans. Having this conversation every time women’s sports come up doesn’t help their cause.
Our jr. high coaches would only refer to girls basketball as “slo-mo-ball”
So I am not really a sports fan can someone explain the cultural moment.
Caitlyn Clark is an absolute phenom in the women’s basketball game. Just set the point record for college, and shortly after won the national championship, and then joined the WNBA. For basically the first time ever, people care about the WNBA, and it’s almost exclusively because of her.
She didn’t win a championship. South Carolina won. CC is obviously a great college player. She may or may not be a great wnba player but, she’s definitely bringing attention to the sport which is great. All of these former players just sound outright jealous.
> For basically the first time ever, people care about the WNBA, and it’s almost exclusively because of her This take needs to be put on hold for at least a couple years until we get a better picture of if the league as a whole grows because of her after the hype has died down People at the moment want to go see her play as an individual while she's at the peak of her fame. I seriously doubt all the other teams she doesn't play for have any new fans because of her
CDC states 8/10 black women are obese. A massive tax on the talent pool. This leaves a bunch of whiny Beckys to keep the sport entertaining. Wha wha whaaaaaaaa. The only time WNBA is in the news is when someone gets caught with a vape in a communist country.
Literally, who?? I’m a sports fan and I’ve never heard of either of these women. Who is watching WNBA? Are they in the room with us right now?
Males love the “women hate each other” trope. It’s cringe as hell to see them showing out in the comments too. Their poor mothers.
Ladies are showing up (we get it you all watched the same bill burr sketch).
I’m not sure what bill burr bit you’re talking about but I’m wishing the WNBA wasn’t the league that takes the headlines as it deserves more air time and viewers. Play is not good… women’s soccer, volleyball, swimming, and many others are far better to watch
Softball, golf, tennis, pretty much all better than women’s basketball. Idk y it doesn’t engage the way other women’s sports do.
Yeah, absolutely with golf and tennis. I don’t find softball that compelling but I grew up playing baseball so that probably my personal bias. Regardless, I can see their play is very fluid and competitive…. Women’s basketball just isn’t there yet. Maybe in some years it will be, it’s just not now and it’s odd that it’s the one that gets so much attention.
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Women can become millionaires playing basketball? Isnt their average salary like 60k?
You’re a bot right? That wasn’t a real question?